the following appears on my personal blog.

shall we liberals unite in mass migration from the country our politicians are destroying? the u.n. might even consider us refugees.

at any rate, comments are welcome, as always.

a conservative friend and i were arguing some time back.

while we are friends, we differ sufficiently on ideology to make our conversations heated and loud. eventually, he was so frustrated with what he viewed as my liberal outlook on life that he said words i am sure he now regrets:

<blockquote>"i am sick and tired of you liberals trying to push people in the direction you want them to go. sometimes it's better to just stay the course, but no, you people are always trying to foist your own 'progress' on everyone else. if i had the money, i would pay for you to leave this country when bush wins the re-election."</blockquote>

right, he actually said that.

yet, that got me thinking a bit. i too am frustrated with what i see happening in this country i love. the events of the last four years have pissed me off more than words and the thought of four more with bush in the white house are enough to anger me even more.

but kerry is not much better as far as the status quo is concerned. he is just as protective of the upper classes as what bush has been and quite frankly, i don't believe he will be able to do much to reverse the damage bush has done to our economy, environment, and world standing in just a single or even two terms.

it's enough to make me want to take my friend up on his hasty offer. why not? maybe that's what the rest of the world needs to see more of: americans traveling abroad who don't agree with the policies and actions of our government. if nothing else it might convince some people that not all americans are unilateral cowboys, bent on world domination.

however, my friend doesn't have the money to sponsor me abroad, though he said he would if he could.

what about those who feel the same as he and can sponsor a liberal to leave the country? i wonder if sean hannity or anne coulter would be willing to contribute some plane tickets or frequent flyer miles to the cause of a 'liberal exodus' from this great country of ours?

to that end, i am thinking of putting up a new website for the sole purpose of soliciting donations from ultra-conservatives to sponsor liberals like myself in migrating to the country of our choice, (including france ).

it could be a kind of "feed the children" type of site, showing profiles and pictures of various liberals, along with their infuriating liberal beliefs about how this country should be ran. interested sponsors could choose the liberal or liberals they wish to "adopt" and would then donate money, flyer miles, plane tickets, backpacking gear, jobs in their low-paying overseas factories, personal villas in tuscany, or any other item which would help a liberal leave the u.s.a. for the next few months/years.

another portion of the site would chronicle "liberals abroad", detailing their travels in the various countries they are travelling.

if there is anyone out there interested enough in this concept to help me set it up, feel free to drop me a line.

week and sit around and falter like the french are!!

great idea,LEAVE no one want you anarcist liberal

Care to make a donation? Oh, and it's spelled anarchist you ignorant redneck.

**** you socialist pig, i forgot an H ... what a waste of time to be pointing out others grammer, get a life.

Hey, don't get mad at me because your inbred parents didn't educate you better. It's not my fault that not only are you nearly illiterate (just like Duh-bya) but that you are misinformed on various political movements, (again, like Duh-bya).

all you liberals can do is point out ridiculus things and connect them with your crazy view of politics and the world, and then brain wash the young, scare the elderly, and play the race card to get your point across. Get some morals, and stop spreading your socialist views.

Ragal your a fag , and you should leave the country. So why dont you turn your gay off, your gaying it up in here!!!!!

Like I said before, your own background of rampant inbreeding in a futile effort to preserve misguided ideals of racial purity have resulted in you being far too incapable of offering anything resembling an informed opinions about the politics you magpie for The Party.

No, I am actually not a homosexual, but it would seem you are repressing some pretty deep and bitter feelings about the matter. Did your daddy touch you when you were little? Do you feel "that way" whenever you see another man and you just don't know what to do? I suggest therapy to work through your hidden desires and come to terms with them. Don't just troll a discussion forum with inflamatory remarks hoping to snag that actual homosexual who is turned on your by your butch-aggression.

Ragel your a concided little prick, who can do nothing more than talk about inbreeding and laughable sterotypes that make you yourself look like nothing more than babbling left-wing socialist.

So, when you talk about left-wing socialist, you are NOT talking about stereotypes, but when I talk about your parents being cousins, I'm the one invoking a stereotype? You're a hypocrite and poor speller to boot.

It's conceited, not concided you ignorant twit. Go back to the hills.

**** you, you stuck up prick, burn in hell ass clown!

Wow, yet another repressed homosexual. Does anyone else consider it odd that these last couple of conservative clowns immediately jump to issues of sexuality, despite me never making any mention of it at all?

You guys probably need to introduce yourselves to each other. You each seem to be looking for the same thing.

"The Man", meet Matto.

Matto, meet "The Man".

You two kids run along and have fun with all that conservative gay sex I hear about from Dick Cheney's campaign manager.

Ragle why dont you do us all a favor a dig a deep hole and bury yuorself in it!!! LOSER

Ragle why dont you do us all a favor a dig a deep hole and bury yourself in it!!! LOSER

See, you call me retarded, yet you were the one who was so stupid you couldn't figure out whether you had posted your message or not. Hence, you posted it twice.

I imagine you leave the gas cap off your car when you drive away from the station too, don't you? Walk around with your zipper down a lot? Have toilet paper on your shoe right this moment?

All of these thing would be expected from a moronic and unimaginative poster such as yourself. Perhaps Matto and "The Man" will let you join them for a threeway once they finished with each other. I know we haven't heard from either of them in quite some time.

You should worry less about my grammar and more about how your left-wing attitude is polluting the internet and how people like you do nothing but take up this countries space.

Where do you come off calling anyone a redneck, as if to say that spelling has anything to do with where you come from or who your parents are?

Thus far, I have only given attention to your poor spelling. We haven't even gotten into your lack of grammar skills. I presume you have finished whatever you and "The Man" needed to take care of since your latest post actually manages to refrain from making some sort of homosexual reference. I guess you guys really took care of each other.

I don't "come off" from anywhere at all. I simply point out the obvious in that a lack of the simple ability to communicate using the supposedly native language of Americans indicates poor education, breeding, or both. Most likely it is both, however, as the narrow viewpoints, repressed sexuality, and overall lack of wit indicate not just an ignorant inbred on your part and that of Matto and "The Man", but also a distinct inclination towards the lack of class inherent to rednecks from all over this country.

I see the writting Ragle has done, really I have, But all I'm really seeing is a bunch of bull ****, Yes Ragle I swore and you probbly will give me one or you useless sermons about grammer, vocab, rednecks, inbreds, or some other gay politically correct bull **** that you write down, and no i wasn't calling you gay it's just a an expression for the stupid stuff you say thats made to look intelligent with your use of big words. So Regle go **** yourself you waste of space.

now hold on just a second. since when did it become redneckish or inbred to not be an educated "elite"? Ragle, do you realize that being as educated as you are is a priviledge given to maybe 20% of the nation and a MUCH smaller percentage of the world? no, of course not, you arrogant peice of ****. i havn't read anything else you have written except that last message above mine but you're more than likely a liberal and that would make sense because only a liberal would be as unnappreciative as yourself. It's exactly your elitist snobby philosophy that have turned so many Americans away in disgust from the liberal ideology and have then running to the conservative side. You make me so sick that I have to stop writing now or else I could quite literallt go on forever on just how much I can't stand people like yourself. i hope God forgives you cuz I sure as hell won't.

Thank you so much Max

Just a brief visit.

So this is how neocons think. My, oh my, you really are an interesting bunch. Oh, and when Bush, Cheeney and company have made their final mass exodus to Texas, maybe Sharon could find a plot of land on the other side of the Great Wall for your final exodus, and there contemplate what none of you have understood for four years. Oh boy, do I feel sorry for Texans. They’d gotten rid of you guys for a few years.

Americandane

feel free to leave anytime-it will only improve the intelligence level and genepool here

Hey Brian,

I am going to do something a little different here. I am going to talk to you about the content of your post. I know thats crazy and may even seem a little bizarre, but thats just the kind of guy I am. : P

I do not think you should leave the country. I do not think you should feel like the world is turning upside down. I just think you should take this time to think about the things you believe and why so many other people think differently. I am not trying to say that either you or anyone else is right or wrong, but I want you to think about how a reasonable person could come to a different conclusion. If nothing else, it will better prepare you to change the minds of your conservative friends.

Outside of the major urban areas, why did so many people support a more conservative alternative in the last election? Forget the angry posters here who love to pick a fight with a liberal. What about all of the hard-working, decent people who are just trying to make a better life for their families? If you say its just because they are not as intelligent, well-educated or insightful as yourself, then you are taking the lazy way out.

Why do so many of these people feel a conservative agenda is better for their families?

Something that is far too prevelant on both the right and the left is the annoying tendency to think we have all the answers because we listen to Rush Limbaugh or Air America or whatever. No one has all the answers and no "ism" is going to make this country better for our children.

At some point we have to stop talking at the other side and start talking to them. At some point we have to stop having cathartic emotional exercises and start having thoughtful discussions. Otherwise, these exchanges will continue to have all the intellectual depth of an argument about which football team is better.

Yours words are very insightful and I appreciate the constructive manner you presented them. Indeed, I have looked past the rhetoric countless times to see that the vast majority of those "on the other side" are genuinely concerned about their families and country. I do not wish to seem to vilify these decent people by lumping them together with the oligarchy which has taken over our country. I am vindicated that even now, support for Bush and his GOP-controlled Congress is slipping to its lowest levels ever. Many Republican friends have recanted their earlier support of both Bush and his policies, as the evidence mounts that he is increasingly out of touch with those same good people who supported him in the last election.

My own continued dilemna stems from the long-term damage Bush has wrought on our shared country. His bullying foreign and absurd domestic policies have put America's reputation on the line and exposed a deep fracture between the vocal minority now in control and the wishes of the rest of the country. The recovery from this damage will be long and arduous and I am unsure what the eventual outcome will be. As a student of history, it is easy to think that America is actually on the decline, like so many empires before it. Does this mean I hate my country and all that it was founded upon? Absolutely not! Yet, detractors will say that very thing. Their blindness to sickness prevalent in our country will be its undoing and I fear there is little many of us can short of an outright revival of our core democratic values and desire for liberty. It's a disgusting irony that so many of our own freedoms have been curtailed even as we claim to bring freedom to other countries.

To sum up my position, if I have a good friend who has made some bad decisions, I will do what I can to help that friend but must eventually take my hands off lest I am pulled down the same spiral. In consideration for my own family and lifestyle, I will not sit by while my country is ruined from within. I will go where we can make a better life for ourselves until sanity once again reigns in my homeland. I do not renounce my citizenship, but I am ashamed of the way the world looks at me now because of what a few insane people have done to my country's reputation.