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Two Geneva Seals on a 215 movement?

November 28 2006 at 1:45 AM

happy_wis  (Login happy_wis)
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Suitbert,

In your posting regarding the 5565, you mentioned that it has "Hallmark: Geneva Seal (two engravings)".

Is it a typo? I think it is the case for 5105... but for 215 movment, shouldn't it has only one engravings?

 
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jaume
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correct

November 28 2006, 3:57 PM 

all Patek movements should bear the seal twice: one on the base plate, a second one on the main bridge.




 
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Kazumi
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Pardon my ignorance, but is this true for all brands with geneva seal movements? (nt)

November 28 2006, 7:10 PM 

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happy_wis
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All?

November 28 2006, 10:06 PM 

Sorry for my ignorance... my understanding is that only vintage movements (e.g. 12-600AT, 27-460, etc) have 2 engravings while the modern PP movements (e.g. 215, 240, 315, etc) has only one engraving.

Do you know where is the engraving on the main plate for the modern movements?

Thanks

 
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SuitbertW
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I've to admit ...

November 29 2006, 7:39 AM 

...I'm not sure.
Hi Happy Wis, all,
it was my understanding that current geneva sealed movements usually bear only one "poincon". Of course the traditional method was one seal on one of the bridges and another one on the mainplate.
That's a normal way to sign movements - observatory movements for example always required to be signed the same way with a serial number: one ser. number on a bridge and the duplicate number on the mainplate.

For the potential typo/error - as I posted this info it was taken from the press release. If it's a typo - at least I'm not guilty


But I'll try to find the answer and come back later!
Best regards
Suitbert

 
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SuitbertW
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More...

November 29 2006, 8:09 AM 

Hi all,
it's a simple mistake/typo.
Cal. 215 only bears one Geneva seal on the bridge.
I'll correct those errors in the press release.
Thanks for pointing it out!

Best regards
Suitbert

 
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happy_wis
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Thanks, Suitbert.

November 29 2006, 6:45 PM 

I thought it may be a special version of 215 that is made exclusively for the 5565 (or any limited reference)

 
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