the browser hijacking thing is ridiculous, and the guy with that aluminum tanked guzzi told me yesterday that he tried to come on here and gave up because of all the crap net54 threw at his computer. So I'm thinking about this one. I really don't like the UBB style, I like simple thread lists, but I think any free host that's any good is probably going to be offering the UBB thing since that's what's more popular now. http://www.bbfree.com