Did anyone ever experience or witness this?

It was a very very rare occurrence.

What are the chances of one of our readers having experienced or witnessed it?

About the same as seeing Lord Lucan riding Shergar at top speed away from the Loch Ness Monster!

And yet, I have a feeling we just MIGHT be lucky.


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carl

I wonder if this was as rare as Sarajane thinks.

I certainly witnessed it once. The school was Parkhill Junior school in Ilford. The year would have been 1965 or 1966.

The whole school was in the hall to see a play put on by some visiting players. A boy in my year, not in my class, misbehaved in some way and a teacher slippered him there and then in front of the whole school.

At the same school I also saw boys slippered for misbehaviour when lining up in the playground before going back into school. These slipperings were carried out as the rest of us went back in and so could be seen by the entire school.

There were no formal public canings or slipperings at either my junior school or my gramamr school. It may be that these are what Sarajane had in mind as "very, very rare". But I did witness corporal punishment in front of the whole school and I don't think that my experiences were particularly unusual.

I would be very interested to read about other readers' experiences - particularly of formal, in front of the school canings at secondary school.

Steven,

When reading Sandra's message, I got the impression she was referring to the scenario where the whole school is summoned to the Hall for the sole purpose of witnessing the punishment (surely extremely rare?).

Alternatively, one can imagine the scenario where a pupil is punished in front of a school already assembled for some more mundane purpose like morning assembly or - much less dramatic - for the theatrical performance you describe (still 'quite' rare).

Strangely, perhaps, I feel that being slippered in the schoolyard as the pupils trail past involves almost no humiliation at all and is the sort of thing the victim and other pupils might laugh about afterwards - the key lying in the scenario's total lack of solemnity.

Hi Sarajane

Yes, I thought that was what you thought! I replied to Sandra's message rather to what I thought was your interpretation thereof.

She may well have meant to refer to the scenario where the whole school is summoned to the Hall for the sole purpose of witnessing the punishment. I think this was rare. It never happened at my school and I have never spoken in rl with anyone who has told me that it happened at his or her school. Nonetheless, I'd be interested in seeing any accounts here.

My personal opinion is that we should let people post and then decide whether the account should be credited. I don't see much point in pre-judging replies to the question. The fact that people know that you are around, reading the messages and posting common sense responses should mean that we will receive fewer wildly imaginative accounts than we might otherwise have done.

Some readers may have wondered where the teacher got his plimsoll from in my account of the boy punished in the school hall. He used one of the boy's own plimsolls. We had to wear plimsolls when going into the hall apart from assembly.

I agree with you about the schoolyard or playground slipperings. I think I witnessed about half a dozen of these but when I think about the most public slippering, I always think about the one in the hall. It took us all by surprise and I was siting quite close to where the slippering took place. The lining up slipperings were not regarded as a "big deal".

The person with the most knowledge of this is the lady known to us as 'Fran'

She has stories of boys being given serious canings on the school stage.

Perhaps she could relate an incident from her memory for us?

My best friend was caught stealing milk(We all did it). The teacher who caught him had the initials C.J, Creeping Jesus. He was full of the worse type of religious clap trap.You would have thought the boy had murdered someone to hear this pious old hypocrite drone on about it to a class of mixed juniors. We have a thief in our midst,he has stolen not my milk but....your milk. We almost expected God to send down a thunderbolt.With great drama C.J gets this small cane out of his desk. Two on the hand has always been the maximum but C.J just carries on caning this boy on the hand because he wont cry. Eventualy the boy refuses to put out his hand. And shades of "The Rainbow" they ended up fighting. My friend put up a good fight too for a 10 year old but he ended up being held over a desk and being caned over the backside. If only we had risen up and fought with him but we were all scared little mice and the big bully won. He didnt make the boy cry though unbelievably. Not what you expected was it but it sticks in my mind as an example of a small boys desperate courage.

Yes Really, and Girls 'in front of the School'

I was a girl at school in England, Wembley, London in the mid-sixties. As some contributors will know I have described this situation several times, and over some years prior to the establishment of Friends Reunited, but now unprompted confirmation from my ex-school colleagues has appeared on several occasions in relation to my school.

To save time, below is information from one of my earlier shorter posts (elsewhere)on the subject which covers the points. In response to potential further questions. The public canings of boys were quite rare, but generally very stressful. The whole school usually remained in shocked silence as the very formal procedure was completed. On some occasions some of my girl colleagues broke down in tears as the caning proceded. We girls never knew for certain that we could not be subject to similar procedures, although most likely on the hands. I have no evidence that girls ever in practice received corporal punishment in assembly at this school.

The girls mentioned in the other schools were caned or slippered on the seat of their skirts. I seem to remember my friend at the primary school (who was number three to be called forward to be caned) mentioned the headmistress told them to pull their (longish) skirts/dresses more tightly round them as they bent over, before being told to touch their toes.

I witnessed, or was audibly aware of several slipperings administered by my male PE teacher. I personally once received an 'official' six of the best with the slipper on my bottom (over my gym knickers) which was administered with me bending over touching my toes in a room adjacent to the PE Changing Room from which the sound, and if wished the sight, of the slippering were available to all the other girls. (On this occasion as a formal punishment carried out after the lesson as far as I know, no other pupils witnessed the event.) At this school the Headmaster would also publicly cane boys on the bottom (touching toes, blazer folded back) in assembly, which I witnessed several times. Girls were caned by the Deputy Headmistress on the hand, never in public, and I never got it although several of my girl classmates did.

I have several girlfriends of around my age who received corporal punishment. One of them was once publicly caned by her Headmistress with three other girls on her bottom (three strokes touching toes)in assembly at her mixed primary school. Another attended a girls high school near Huddersfield where she witnessed at least six public slipperings of girls (on the bottom, bending over) by the Headmistress at morning assembly over her time there in the sixties.

I have no reason to doubt my friends accounts as they were communicated to myself and other women in open conversation (e.g. relating to schooling of our own children), and indeed there should be documentary evidence in punishment books, records, and from the many witnesses of these very public events.

To digress to another (related) matter 'why don't I ever identify exactly the school(s)? etc' I would just like to share the information that in fact in prior forums I have. Prior to that I actually once gave out my real active email. I was inundated by a torrent of communications ranging from the mildly salacious to utterly offensive (as a mature woman even I was horrified at a lot of it)and not only from private individuals. It was very difficult to stop. Having learnt that lesson, on the occasion I directly identified my school (all but post code), it all started again. Again very difficult to stop. The other thing I found was that on many forums identifying schools and individuals directly led to posts being deleted. There are enough verifiable clues, presentations of symbolic slippers being one. To those pressing for details which ultimately lead directly to personal (not nickname, or pseudonym)identification, please understand this is not a good idea. To those tempted to 'come out' in this way, either don't, or be prepared to be very very brave, and persistent in controlling the situation.

Fran, Have any of these cases come to court or have STOPP mentioned these incidents. I must admit to being suprised that girls were punished like this. What had they done to merit these punishments. Were they always punished over their skirts. Regards, James

Fran,

Your nickname could be that of a male or a female but I see from your very interesting posting that you are 'a mature female'.

Of your maturity there can be no doubt.

Hi James,

What I describe was at the time in the UK all perfectly legal, provided it complied with the law, and was in line with the local education authority rules. It may seem incredible but it was. If you think about it, no-one in their right mind would proceed to commit an obviously illegal act in front of potentially 750 to 1000 people, many of whom, at best, could not be relied on to believe your actions were justified. In the mid-sixties I would guess even STOPP was just an idea being bandied round the common rooms occasionally, probably following some particularly unfortunate incident.

Hi Sarajane,

I was known as Fran at school, and still am to this day. My first name is Frances.

I went to a State School in the Fifties and then won a scholarship to a Public School. Corporal punishment was in frequent use in both. The only real difference was that the State School had a majority of female teachers and the staff of the Public School was almost entirely male.

It is certainly true that getting the slipper in front of the class was something of a sport among rowdy Public School Third Formers (12 year olds). If you didn't get a couple of whacks on your tightly stretched trouser seat every week, you hadn't lived! Many of these were poorly aimed and delivered - the masters were as perfunctory in handing out these punishments as we were casual in accepting them. This was less true of the Sergeant Major who ruled the gymnasium. He would whack the last pupil to get changed for every Gym lesson. It really stung when he walloped you on the underside of your buttocks and sometimes we got it with our gym shorts pulled down. Nobody liked that and considerable efforts were made not to be last!

But it was quite a different matter when you were ordered to report after school for a beating. Somehow the familiar slipper became a much more terrifying implement. In private, the masters' aim improved to uncomfortable effect and the force with which they applied the rubber sole to our backsides increased horribly. Then again, while you waited to be taken into the study and dealt with, you never knew for certain whether it would be the slipper or the cane. The churning stomach and imagined torments were often worse than the pain itself.

In the years I spent at the State Primary School (7-11 years old), I only saw a public caning once in front of the whole school. There was a system by which Form teachers submitted a weekly report on the performance of each child. If a pupil received a bad report six weeks running, he (it was always assumed it would be a boy) would be called up and caned in front of the whole school at Friday afternoon assembly. You can imagine the excitement that built up when someone had had five bad reports and we all expected him to get a sixth before Friday lunchtime! Each time it happened, the Headmaster gave the boy another chance. You could have heard the groan from the assembled children, bloodthirsty little perishers that we were, in the next Borough. On one of these occaions the boy took advantage of his reprieve and kept out of trouble for the next week. In the other, he didn't.

He was a mean, sneaky boy whom nobody liked. He was already crying when he was brought onto the stage by one of the lady teachers. To our delight, the Head announced that he was going to get six strokes. To our vast disappointment, he got them on his hands. It didn't seem nearly as amusing as it would have been if he had been thrashed on his behind. But at the same time, it seemed incredibly painful and was probably more of a deterrent.

In those days, nearly all of us knew what a smacked bottom was and mostly we took it in our stride. My parents did not believe in corporal punishment, but even I had been spanked by the cleaning lady and by "aunts" who babysat for me. You were brought up to regard physical discipline as part of the natural order. You got the backs of your legs slapped, girls as well as boys, by exasperated lady teachers at Infants School (5-7 years). On one occasion, the Headmistress there brought a couple of older pupils into the reception class, to show the five year olds "what happens to naughty boys". She bent the pair of them over one of the desks and treated them both to a very noisy bare bottom spanking. Nobody thought it odd or perverted when she pulled down their trousers. It was simply what you could expect from a teacher who stood no nonsense.

On the Friends Reunited site there are several messages from people who were slippered by the p.e. teacher at Fran's school. None of the writers is female, nor is there any mention of him slippering girls.

How can I find the Friends Reunited site?

Peter,

Go to http://www.friendsreunited.co.uk/FriendsReunited.ASP?WCI=FRMain

Fran's school appears under two guises on FriendsReunited (don't worry, Fran, your secret's safe with us - let the other lazy so-and-so's work out themselves what school it is), and actually the first memory (dated 1960) in Memories for one does mention Mr You-know-who and his Mark 2 slipper, and is from a female. There is also a note from another female in Messages for the other entry (if you know what I mean) who mentions standing in front of Mr PE Teacher many times but not minding the punishment because he was fair.

It's not unusual that most tales of whacking on FRU are by men - most women are very reserved about telling the world they got their bums whacked. Many times there are just hints ("Such-and-such was so strict", or "Miss ruled with a rod of iron"). Shame, but true. I've ploughed through school after school of notes from women who say nothing about CP, when the same school has boys mentioning it almost every line. However, Fran, it would certainly liven up your school's pages if you put down your story!!

Two questions please, Fran - just for prurient interest: did you have normal knickers under your gym ones, or were they what you wore normally (I'm a child of the Sixties too)- and when he slippered other girls, were they always in gym kit, or did he sometimes slipper them in "day clothes", and if so - did he lift their skirts (or have them lift them)?

By the way Fran - did you try to curry favour with the PE teacher after this

I did have a post on Friends Reunited at one time, very early on. I am almost sure that this was the way that once I identified the school, I was again inundated with unsavoury communications, theonly thing that stopped it was to close the email account and take my entry out as well. Once the teachers unions protest got under way, in some cases justified, you can imagine what happened to postings containing strong but almost certainly verifiable material which people were prepared to stand up and be counted for.

We must all remember that direct identification of material on this forum in many cases leads to its withdrawal or destruction elsewhere.

On the other matter, I do not normally respond to potentially 'prurient' enquiries not containing important matters of fact. In this case the answer has been posted elsewhere anyway. Our official uniform knickers were bottle green, and were worn for dancing, gym etc. I only wore one pair at any one time, as far as I remember.

Fran, don't be so prim!

For those who still do not know, she is writing about Copland School, Wembley.

I am most disappointed with the latest message from Fran. There is only one example of parenthesis.

One striking similarity between Fran and our old friend George is the way that both go to some lengths to conjure up reasons for not identifying anyone or anything that might support (or demolish) their innumerable accounts of personal involvement in unusual CP practices.

Another similarity is that both purport to stand above the titillated masses to present their accounts - which are then presented (on the face of it) as no more than excerpts from a factual diary.

And to introduce huge dollops of literary Viagra with the line "I don't normally give prurient details but in this case I will" is a device worthy of Sleazy McSleaze, the sleaziest sleazeball in Sleazetown.

Surely Fran and George are related!?

Fran,

I am glad you said you witnessed slipperings too. I was beginning to think your PE teacher whacked in private - which would be a first from my experience. At my boys school the PE teacher made a point of getting an audience for all slipperings!!

Seriously - I believe that one or two slipperings witnessed made a whole class behave ( for a while at least)

Did you witness any memorable slipperings?

http://www.corpun.com/uksc4812.htm

This story on www.corpun.com contains the sentence "The girls were caned before the school for what, it was submitted, was a grave breach of discipline".

One can only assume that 'before the school' means in front of the school, unless this was a typographical error and the writer meant to state 'before school [i.e. the next day's lessons]'. I could swear I saw another article about this incident that mentioned the girls in question getting caned at morning assembly, but perhaps I'm confusing it with something else.

Another article about the same incident can be found at: http://www.corpun.com/uksc4811.htm

I apologise if what was actually meant as gentle irony was so gentle it lost focus and appeared either prim or aiming to achieve an opposite purpose.

It never was my aim to stimulate debate based on misconceptions.

Hi David,

You now have opportunity to determine for yourself that indeed private and public slipperings took place.

Georgie says the secret identity of the school to which Fran refers is safe with us.

Au contraire, Georgie! Au contraire!

Roger tells us it was Copland School while Georgie tells us the school has two listings on the Friends Reunited Site.

According to the FR site, there are 2 schools called 'Copland' in Wembley: Copland Community School and Technology Centre (Cecil Avenue) and Copland School (Harrow Road).

Both sites contain numerous references to a notorious (although liked and respected) slippering PE teacher called Dennis Rice who whacked boys in their hundreds but, it seems, only ever THREW his slipper at girls.

Now, doesn't that seem a LOT more likely?

The second reference given by Steff to the CorPun site includes the quote:

"Her sister went to the school and told Miss James. Then eight of us were put on the stage in the hall and Miss James caned us in front of all the other girls in the school. We ran home and I haven't been back to school since."

This makes it clear that that there was no typo. The girls were caned in front of all the other girls in the school. As this was an all girls school the CP was administered in front of the whole school.

Sarajane, i am quite sure that wether Fran is a woman with a fertile imagination or not, she is a woman of intelligence. I have kept goldfish with more brains than dear old George...so stop these comparisons or i will request that your dear grandmother, Mildred smacks your bottom ...hard!


James - leave it out
carl

Mr T,

I think we may safely say that Fran is NOT a woman with a fertile imagination.

As I suggested in an earlier post in this thread, my mental image of a 'caning before the school' involves a good deal of solemnity and a great deal of pain.

In stark contrast to that scenario, the canings referred to in the articles above involved no more than a couple of light taps - which actually caused the recipients to smile!

I quote:

"the headmistress administered one slight stroke of the cane on each of the girls' hands"

"there were no tears - in fact there were "traces of smiles" on the girls' faces."

And that in the terrifying old days of 1948!

It all goes to show that canings before the school (in any meaningful sense) were a great rarity, and rightly so.

I recently found an article in the spanked female facts site about some girls who were punished by a nun on the stage in front of 600 girls, this was in australia, if I find it again I will advise.
regards,
jay

It was common in our schools (Western Australia) to receive the cane (usually on the hand but the only times I received it (twice)was on the rear bending over a desk - same teacher - aged 9 - 1966) or sandshoe (slipper)- aged 13 - 1970 at high school.
In grade 4 (aged 9) we were short of classrooms so our class was moved up the road to the church hall. It was next to the fire brigade and closer to home. I was with 2 other boys that were annoying the girls. (pretty normal for boys that age) We didn't touch them but the cane was used reasonably often and any excuse would do. I was very good (quite) at school so I usually missed out. On this occassion we were bent over the desk while the 'upset' girls sat at the doorway. I was first and gave them one hell of a dirty look (if looks could kill) on the way out. The second time was when 1 boy was picked on by most of the class (now called bullying). I was one of the 'sheep' that went along with it, without again touching him, but he remembered seeing me in the crowd. I didn't mind getting the cane that time because I felt pretty much a coward for not helping him, but I was a short skinny kid back then. When I went to high school (aged 13) 2 mixed classes at a time had P.E. I forgot my T-shirt and shorts so was called up on to the stage to touch my toes and get the sandshoe in front of everyone. I remembered he hit me pretty hard. He was my hockey coach and olympian so he wasn't the sadist type, just strong. Being disciplined in front of the boys was just 'proving your toughness', but in front of the girls was pure embarrassment. It wasn't very 'cool'. However it was considered normal and certainly more gentler than I received at home. We had horses, so there was always plenty of whips or straps laying around handy. The worst was being whipped whilst wet in the shower. (don't remember why) I don't hold any grudges against anyone for what was considered normal in those days. It was far worse for my dad when he went to school and now even the threat dosen't exist for my children, although they did get my hand on the bare when playing up at home.

Look at the Friends Reunited entry for Dowsett High School for Girls. Caning was certainly used and publicly too.

Sarajane wrote: "What are the chances of one of our readers having experienced or witnessed it?

About the same as seeing Lord Lucan riding Shergar at top speed away from the Loch Ness Monster!"

I see from today's "The Sun" that someone called Ian MacMillan has placed a bet with William Hill that Elvis Presley will ride into London on Shergar and will then play Lord Lucan in the men's tennis final at Wimbledon. They gave him odds of twenty million to one against but only permitted him to stake five pence.

The only school with a similar name that I could find on the Friends Reunited site was Dowsett High School for Girls (Southchurch Boulevard, Southend-on-Sea. Is this the correct school?

I saw two references to the cane being used but no indication that it was ever used in front of other pupils, let alone in front of the whole school.

Could you provide fuller references?

You missed it, the reference to a teacher with one year old child causing a disturbance whilst some sort of caning was going on at an assembly.Miss Fitzsimmons, if i remember her name seems almost in the Janet Dines class. This small island does seem to breed its share of indomitable women!! The best reference though is the woman that says the only time the headmistress registered any emotion is when she caned her (pleasure).I noticed some interesting references at the Bacons college, Delaware rd, London.

I found the message you meant.

"1963 - Mrs L** Added by Heather B*****
Taught English. I remember her being pregnant and the baby kicking her hymn book off her lap in assembly in the middle of one of Miss F*******' caning sessions."

It's not a direct reference to a public caning but that is a possibility.

Not a year old child, though. Surely it was the unexpectedly strong kick of the unborn baby that caused the hymn book to fall.

Thank you to all those who have responded to my question.

Yes, Sarajane and Steven, I had in mind ritualised beating carried out in school assembly. I have only ever known one person who had experience of this.

Some years ago I worked with a woman who had been a pupil at a school in Warwickshire. At this school, punishments were administered at the end of morning assembly during what was known as ‘discipline time’.

Dear All,
I have just found the reference in spanked celebrities site as follows.
Peta Wilson, talking about her role in the film mercy, and some research she has done in S&M
"Ever had an S&M experience before" (interviewer)
" I had something happen to me when I was 13 years old. I was at school, ist week at school, and I was away sick for a day, and the day I was away they banned handstands. I didn't know and when I came back somebody bet me 10 bucks I couldn't do a handstand, so there I was the bell rang and I was caught with my dress around my neck and my pantalons showing"
So I was pulled up in assembly in front of the entire school by one of the nuns, to be made an example of, and she bent me over in front of 600 pupils, I was the new girl- I knew only two, bent me over and whipped me on my little pantaloons. Most embarrassing, it was very tough"
Interview 1999, she looks young in her picture and I guess this punishment was not that long ago.
To find this site go into spanking communities, cosmopolitan university ( they give all the spanking site links) and look up spanked celbrities, there are masses of FR references.
The page reference above is http://sfrsite.topcities.com/peta.htm
I don't know if this link works, might be best to lok at whole site.
I wonder what the film "mercy" is about?
regards,
jay

The film "Mercy" is a film from 2000 with a plot outline here:
http://us.imdb.com/Plot?0188055

Not nice.....

I came across an instance of this in Friends Reunited. It is interesting as the memory appears to be attested by three contributors, one independent and one commenting on the third post. I find the number of strokes (whether twenty or twenty four) rather hard to credit. It is also unusual to find a school with so few postings altogether where such a high proportion of posts refer to CP.

The school concerned is the Pendragon School in East Sussex.

'Memories

<snip>

Someone being canned in the assemble hall, in front of the whole school by Ba****, followed by one/two of the boys giving a demonstration of the new dance craze - "The Twist".'

"A Cane-happy Bunch!

<snip>

I think that either Ba***** made a habit of it (always possible) or [the author of the above extract] is thinking of the horrendous occasion in 1962/3 when Richard S***** - an incredibly brave guy if ever there was one - silently receiving 24 for the dreadful crime of bumping into a member of the public (alledgedly on purpose) on Bexhill Station.
I decided that with this cane-happy bunch, I should leave, as it was only a matter of time before it was my turn. So I did!"

"HM Paul Ba*****

Beating poor old S***** in front of the whole scool 20 strokes if I remember correctly.The perils of a mis-behaving Day-Boy

<snip>"

When I attended school in the late fifties early sixty's canning in front of the entire school was still carried out should the headmaster wish to make an 'Example' of a pupil who had commited a 'Seriose breach of disciplin'. In those days the School day always began with 'Morning assembly' in the 'Hall' [Gym]. On the occasions that a pupil was to be caned in front of the entire assembled school this was done After 'Prayers' and any school messages were given . The unfortunate pupil[s] were then called out and had to go up on to the 'Stage' were the headmaster would give the assembly an account of the misdeeds that the 'unfortunate' pupil had commited. He would then be caned in front of the assembly before the assembly was dismissed to go to there respective classes. [A lesser punishment was at the end of morning assembley those to be caned were called out and had to file out in front of the assembled school to wait outside the headmasters study to be caned]. .... Mike

Certainly.

It was when I was about 7 or 8 years old. The headmaster of our primary schoool was under outside pressure to reduce the use of corporal punishment. He introduced a system by which school monitors took the names of petty offenders in a little green book. Everyone forgot all about it. Several weeks later the entire school was called to the assmbly school. Everyone who's name had been taken was called to the front of the assembly. Those who's name had been taken more than once were called up onto the stage where they were caned (on the hands) by the headmaster.

There were about 400 children in the hall in total of which about 20-25% were caned. The (all-female) teaching staff were visibly shaken by what was happening and nothing like that ever happened again. Maybe someone complained to the board of governers? I don't know.

A highly valued contributor, Deus ex Machina, member no. 2891, writes in the ‘How it all started’ thread that he would be interested in reading ‘Corporal punishment administered in front of the whole school’ and, to spare him that long, dreary trawl through the archives, it appears today on the first page of the Forum.

In the 70s in Leeds boys were called to the front of assemmbly and bent over and smacked by hand. The headmaster would also tell you why he was smacking you during each stroke. This happened nearly every day and also smacked the same way by teachers in lessons

In the state system, such things were indeed rare, as sarajane states.

In the PRIVATE sector, certainly until the 1950's, it was a different matter.

There are many references to public beatings carried out at the various public schools, almost into the 1960's and whilst "george" might well be a fake, there is a ring of truth to some of his stories of this type of practice being carried out.

Having said that, "Hope and Glory", a film, shows the public HAND caning of a small boy during the war - again quite a typical occurrence.

We live in more enlightened times these days and I DO agree with Sara-Jane that GIRLS would not have been subject to such practices very often at all!

Andrea

I was recently in contact with a lady who works in a school in Swaziland where the cane is still in use. Although she is not a teacher and only works on the admin side, she does witness the occasional caning.

In fact only last week she saw two 17-year-old boys caned during assembly in front of the whole school. Each boy was given six strokes as punishment for bullying. She added that the one boy is well known for bullying the younger ones and that in her opinion, the punishment was well deserved.

Richard

Richard,

You live in a dream world.

I don't know about Swaziland, except that they certainly still have judicial CP there so quite possibly school CP too. But public (i.e. ceremonially in front of the whole school) canings are definitely happening in Singapore, as is occasionally mentioned in the press there and as can be confirmed on the internet from numerous blogs by present-day school students there (you can tell they're not fantasists pretending to be kids, because these "canings in assembly" references are very passing and incidental in the midst of a great deal of other very boring stuff that nobody would bother to fake, about their lessons and their teachers and their friends and their endless teenage angst of one sort or another). One or two Singapore schools actually say as much on their own websites. The ones that seem to get mentioned most often in this context are the "top" (i.e. the most academically prestigious) boys-only schools like Raffles, Victoria, Anglo-Chinese. It may be a more-British-than-the-British thing but also maybe a Chinese thing. It looks as if the same may be true of Malaysia (some urban bits of which -- KL, PJ, JB, Penang -- are quite like Singapore in many ways, and similarly Chinese-dominated), though that seems rather less well documented.
And if in Singapore, which is about as developed as it gets, why not in backward, struggling Swaziland?

That sort of thing may happen in Swaziland but only in Richard's dream world is he in contact with a lady who works in a such a school.

On my first day in the third form in 1970, our form master, who was an enthusiast for the notion of cp if not for actually administering it himself, warned that canings could happen in front of the form assemblies which took place on Monday mornings (about 150 boys in total) but one never did. It was a different matter in private in the discipline master's office, however.

Lotta, this time you have gone too far!

Your suggestion that I spend my time dreaming about grubby little schoolboys in Swaziland is scandelous.

If I did want to enter the realms of fantasy I would look to other parts of our former Empire. Australasia could be represented by someone like Nicole Kidman and Africa by Charlize Theron. I must admit that I do find the thought of these two dressed as schoolgirls, presently their shapely and FEMALE bottoms for a sound spanking very stimulating.

You might like to go to the Yahoo group spanking_africa at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spanking_africa/ where you will find a post from the lady in question as well as various other messages. The ‘Girls caned at school’ thread should be of particular interest.

Worldwide Traveller,

I've tried your link but the site will not allow me to read the messages unless I join.

Unfortunately, having checked my 'to do' list, I find that 'join spanking_Africa_group' is languishing some way beneath 'stick pins in my eyes' and thus the chances of my ever reading any postings from your group are, to say the least, slim.

As far as your lady who works in the Swaziland school is concerned, I'd happily bet my bottom dollar that 'she' is just another CP-fantasy-obsessed man pretending to be a woman.

If you go to any spanking chat-room, I predict with great confidence that almost every female there will be nothing but a sad man in disguise.

Similarly, If you go to any spanking story site, I predict with the same great confidence that almost every female there will again be just a sad man in disguise.

Corporal punishment in Swazi schools was shown on Channel 4 in a series from a few years back showing the lives of a British family going to live and work in Swaziland for a year. Among the shots were a woman teacher applying the cane to the clothed bottoms of 6 or 7 girls of about 10 years of age in a mixed class for what appeared to be minor errors of work in exercise books, a more light hearted caning (one stroke each)of the same whole class just before a break time, and a male teacher applying 6 strokes of the cane to the bottom of a teenage girl (dress raised to reveal shorts underneath) for defacing a school book.

So it certainly exists there and it appeared to be seen as a routine element of both home and school life, although the teenage son of the British family walked out of school rather than receive even a light caning himself.

I never saw a paddling in front of the whole school but I did see one given in the high school cafateria which was being used as a study hall. There were probably 75 students present, both male and female and all grade levels.

It was a very interesting ritual to say the least. The boy was brought in first and told to have a seat by the door. There he sat for about 30 minutes watching the clock and getting himself ready. Finally, the male teacher arrived carrying his very long wooden paddle. The boy was called up front and some words were said to the effect that this was being done publicly for our "benefit" because the same thing could happen to any of us, "boy or girl". Then the boy was told to take his wallet out of his back pocket and bend over a chair. He got five whacks, all with a full-swing and maximum effort. How the boy held still and remained silent I don't know but I suppose he well motivated to do that in front of so many students.

This happened in a U.S. school in about 1963.

Today when I read about paddling in U.S. schools where it still takes place I am amazed that students are given a choice and take the paddle in lieu of detention, both boys and girls. All I can say to that is they must not instill the fear of the paddle today like they did back then. I can't imagine anyone being brave enough to take what I saw. I know I wouldn't have been. Then again, we didn't have any thing called detention. Never even heard of it.

Jacks contribution is an accurate discription of the type of school I attended in the 60's. My brother got 6 swats like that and had blood blisters on his bottom for over a week. My parents felt powerless to do anything about it and the school knew it. That's why they felt free to administer such a savage paddling. His offence? He made the teacher/principal angry.

Today schools are a little more wary of law suits. I don't think they hit as hard or use such big and heavy paddles.

At my school (English grammar school 1960's) any boy that so much as utttered one word while we were lined up waiting for assembly, during assembly, or lined up afterwards waiting to leave assembly, would be sent to the back of the hall by a prefect. These prefects patrolled all around us and were on sharp lookout for anyone trying to whisper or talk to his neighbour. Often the prefect would signal that he had spotted a miscreant by banging him on the top of his head with a hymn book.

After assembly the prefects would slipper the boys that were sent out the back. As the rest of us filed out of the hall, the unfortunate whisperers would have to bend over and touch their toes and take a whacking with a plimsoll from the prefect that caught them. There were always several boys being slippered each day. So that was how we started our days - prayers followed by watching some other boys get the slipper (or getting it ourselves). And they say schooldays are the best days of your life!

This very fine lady is Peta Wilson, Australian actress, and she was chastised before the entire school in an assembly.
She had to bend over and had her backside "whipped" by a nun at a catholic school.
She said this in two different interviews.
The fact she said she was whipped suggests an implement was used.
Australian school were similar to English schools and used the cane or strap.
Go here (http://sfrsite.topcities.com/celebs2.htm) and scroll down to P for Peta and read more.

Paul

Bellenden Primary
My worst memory is of the public canings in the school hall. I had nightmares for weeks afterwards. I wonder what those children did to deserve that? (June Thomas)

I recall that Fat Fray son of Wild Rose once gave me an account of a caning administered in front of the whole school.

He attended Kilmorie in South East London. I do recall that that more than one boy was involved and that he was impressed by the way that they took their punishment. I can’t say what the offence was but assume that it must have been something serious.

Richard