The problem with internet fantasists is that their stories tend to convince 'ordinary' people that the world is full of girls who enjoy being spanked.

It isn't - and as time goes by such girls are becoming rarer and rarer.

Women who grew up with CP - either in their own lives or in the wider world - are the most likely to find the idea sexually arousing. On that basis, you'd be hard pressed to find a British woman much under 30 who has any interest at all.

The BIG problem, however, is that CP-oriented British girls are not being created any more.

Today, you'll find plenty of 40yo's who think it's sexy to be spanked but you won't find many under 30 who are interested - because the concept was not a 'real' part of the world in which most of them grew up.

However, in 10 years time, the 40yo's will be the 30yo's who have very little interest today and they'll still have very little when they're 40 - so men wanting a willing spanking partner will have to look for women of 50 years old or more.

Within our lifetimes, I foresee spanking in Britain becoming a pastime for geriatric men and young female prostitutes.

Of course, even when we're old and grey, internet forums will still be full of stories convincing the incurably naive that everyone else in the country is spanking young beautiful 25yo's who just can't get ENOUGH of it!

Enjoy yourself, it's later than you think!


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Carl

Since my belated acquaintance with the Internet I've been surprised to discover how many spankophiles – men and women - claim never to have been spanked at all as children. I had always bought into the theory that it was the result of childhood experiences, and my own childhood experience bore this out perfectly; but it seems I was quite mistaken.

The most important source of influence may well be seeing / hearing about / reading about the spanking of others. I think it's possible to influence the non-spanked at an impressionable age to create spankophile desires.

Another interesting new source of influence is professional wrestling. I never watch this, but I've seen on the Internet numerous spanking pics from these supposed 'wrestling' matches. As someone on another forum suggested, perhaps future generations' spankophilia will include dressing up in spandex costumes and throwing each other about the room ... could be a frightening prospect when we're geriatric patients.

I have been lifestyle ever since I was a child; I gave my first spanking at the tender age of six. I have also been a professional Disciplinarian for nearly two years. As a child I was spanked, slippered and, on one unforgettable occasion, birched (convent school, Southern Ireland).

It is my experience that a lot of younger people are actually interested in CP/Spanking, regardless of the fact that they never experienced it growing up. I see men and women under 30 who are absolutely fascinated by the thought of having someone who will discipline them if they step out of line. I also see a lot of older people who were never subjected to CP as youths, but who have had a lifelong interest and, as they reach their older years, feel they must experience it now, or else it will be too late.

The younger generations are far more open to new experiences than we were. They do not carry a lot of the inhibitions we supposedly did and so are far more likely to experiment. They also have a lower boredom threshhold and so are constantly looking for new and interesting experiences. They are also finding that, because they lacked discipline (mental as well as physical) during their formative years, they are now somewhat confused as young adults. When they find CP, they tend to embrace it as part of a relationship or lifestyle that can give them the stability and confidence that has been lacking.

From my personal experiences, I can only see CP/Discipline becoming more and more popular, especially with the advent of such media as the internet, which allow people to realise that they are not the only "freak" in the world; and that in fact many others share their interests which are clearly an integral part of them.

One last point that I would like to make ... there are already too many misunderstandings concerning people who practice CP professionally. Whilst it is indeed sexual in nature, no sexual acts take place with the majority of professional Disciplinarians. People who request a sexual service are firmly told to go elsewhere. Why is there this common misconception that any woman who spanks must be a prostitute? I have the highest respect for ladies of the night; it takes a lot of courage to do what they do. However, I am not one of them. By the mere mention of prostitution you have denigrated this fine art to something distasteful and dirty. No wonder the majority are still in the closet.

Back in your box, please.

I first read this thread several months ago and disagreed with SaraJane at the time but did not post a reply because it was so old and had not generated much interest at the time. I believe spanking as foreplay and adult activities is more popular today than at any time in recent history. I also think it is a valid point that young people today have no fear of it because they did not grow up in a school where they were under daily threat of punishment by some sadist who was impowered by law to beat them as hard and as long as they pleased for any minor infraction of rules that might be made up on the spot.

Lady Pandora has her own website: www.ladypandora.co.uk/ where we learn that she is 39 years old and lives in Wigan.

Notwithstanding Wigan's status as the least sophisticated location on God's good Earth (indeed, many of its inhabitants believe knives and forks to be jewellery), my attention is drawn to her alleged age and her claim to have been birched at school in Ireland.

Given her alleged age, we can assume with some confidence that the alleged birching took place sometime around 1975 - 1980.

Had the period in question been 40 years earlier, I would have accepted the possibility that it actually happened to her - but in the late 70s? No, she's living in a dream world.

Bob, not to agree or disagree (yet) with the primary point of this thread -- I have a couple of questions re. your post and the others'.

1. On what evidence do you base the statement about spanking being more popular now than ever? A least, what makes you say this? Isn't it simply more visible now? I discovered "spankophilia" last September -- but almost everyone I've met is older than me and has been into it for a good many years. and there's plenty of taboo about it.

2. Isn't a large part of the thrill that spankophiles get from the process rooted largely in "fear" or at least the feeling of being dominated by someone larger and more powerful than themselves or utterly at someone elses mercy? I know some subs get off on the pain itself once the endorphins kick in, but I hear many (this is a relative term) say its the domination part. Not having been spanked as an adult, I am thrilled and riveted by the watching, hearing, reading of it; but I know this particular tension -- I am familiar with this fear. It kept a classroom of us rooted, utterly silent and still as we listened to the smack of the paddle from behind a door -- it left me slightly incoherent standing outside the headmaster's study waiting for my turn. I feel it again every time I see, hear, read a description or a strap or cane being used -- only now I quake silently, catch my breath, and get wet.

In my looking around the spanking world over the last few months, I have not seen that many lay women younger than me -- gay men a plenty though.
I am not convinced that spanking, without the accompanying atmosphere of tension, fear, and powerlessness, in the control of the spankee -- could be that much "fun". To me at least, without "threat atmosphere" pain would be that -- pain -- no fun. And how much threat is there if a scene is completely created and the players have no real experience (or memory) of the fear/thrill. I watched a video clip of a girl (young and gorgeous)who supposedly wanted to "experiment" who goes to a pro Domme who CHATS with her, then spanks her and then TALKS TO HER ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE -- THE FEELING OF THE SPANKING!!! Utterly devoid of fear/atmosphere -- about as exciting as a cold bowl of porridge.

It sounds as though I am saying that a spanking without the scare isn't a real enough spanko experience and that spanking itself can't possibly attract new and young devotees -- I know that isn't true. I just don't see that many younger women (other than those being paid) wanting to be spanked at clubs -- Young girls in the modelling/sex industry get into it because it pays so much more money. And there seems to be a huge difference between these girls who do these things at clubs and such and the girls in class at university. And yes, I know I am not the most well-informed or worldy-wise person regarding these matters -- this is just what I've noticed so far in 5 months of looking around.

I want to say one more thing about my perception of young people's (girls at uni's)attitudes towards experimenting and kink relating to this, but I'll do so tomorrow.

Wonderful stuff, Spanko Saro! I can’t wait for tomorrow. Could you also throw in a few lines about your paddling by the headmaster?

Is ‘lay women’ a misprint for ‘gay women’?

Roger: Please add Saro and me to the Friendly List.

I do hope not all first time posters on this forum are treated in this way; it would be a shame if what could be a very good forum became a place where only an elite clique were welcome.

Well, Lotta Nonsense, whoever you may be, you are clearly not the best informed of people.

Firstly, my website address is www.ladypandora.org and I am based in south Hampshire. The site to which you refer is an old one that has extremely out of date - as, it appears, is your information.

Secondly, what biased comments to Wiganers. One must assume from your informed opinion of them that you are a native of Wigan. No? Me either, but that doesn't appear to make much diiference to you.

Next point is that I am 41 years old. I was birched at the age of eight which, by my mathematics, brings us to the year 1969/1970. Perhaps you would care to use a calculator next time; that way your confident assumptions may actually be a little nearer the truth. I must also assume from your post that you attended a convent school in southern Ireland at teh same time as me. No? Then what on earth makes you think you know what happened there? Get a life dear.

I certainly was at an Irish Convent school and it was a lot tougher than Lady Pandora's!

Birched at the age of eight? We used to dream of being birched at the age of eight! My twelve brothers and fourteen sisters and I were whipped with a cat o' nine tails twice a day and three times on Sunday while we were still in the womb !

Then when we were born we had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before we went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, study twenty-nine hours a day in class and when we got home our Dad and our Mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah!

um... thanks...I think... NotAADonation.

"Lay" women means ordinary spanko girls like me as opposed to cute 20 year olds getting PAID to get it or pretend to get it like "Teen Brandi and Jessica". Britney Spears don't count.

One of these days I will tell of the incident in the headmaster's office -- I'm still new so I'm waiting to get enough guts together to face the Lottas and other wonderful hecklers on this site -- it will also be of interest to Dean as it took place in an Australian school in the 1980s.

Dear Saro;You may be right about it being more visable now than it was 20 or 25 years ago.I will say that about ten years ago, bondage videos started becoming very popular and now there are even 'how to' videos available in the local adult stores.In the U.S. there are currently many 'dating programs' on TV,and rarely does a show air that some girl doesn't mention that she likes to be spanked. As far as the Taboo aspect of it goes, it seems to be much more acceptable for a woman to admit that she likes to be spanked than for a man to say he likes to spank girls.It seems to be a double standard.It's perfectly ok for a girl say she wants to be spanked, but just let a guy go into the local singles bar and announce that he likes to spank girls and suddenly he's a 'perv'.Before anyone asks if I was stupid enough to do this, the answer is no, but I have seen someone else do it and he could not get another date from that bar no matter how hard he tried.

As far as how a sub feels, I have no idea what the turn on is,because I cannot relate to it. But I have been told that some like feeling 'naughty'. Others who are 'in the life' realize that although it looks like the dom is in control, in reality the sub controls everything. If she says 'mercy' or 'red' or some other emergency word,the spanking stops. Just because a girl says she likes to be spanked,that doesn't mean she wants a beating like we received in school. In fact I don't know any girls that want the kind of paddling that I got when I went to school.So as far as I am concerned it is just a game between consenting adults.
I hope I have answered your questions,if not just ask.

I suspect NAADonation is making fun of me, but here is the end of my tirade -- I don't think there's any thrill and chills in this -- sorry.

I have an opinion about American women in their twenties because I've become good friends with a group of them in the last three years at a public university where I've been doing an MA. In many ways there's not much difference between them and me, but with regard to sex and kink, I think there is. They seem in general to be a lot more uptight about it -- not sex per se, but how its had and the conditions of it. They talk about sex openly and are candid about homosexual experiences, but there seems to lots of not just disapproval of kinky things, but also disgust -- which surprises me. When I chat with friends in their thirties or older, we are a lot less inhibited about the 50 year-old professors we did in college, but I can't talk about the less socially acceptable items with my twenty-something girlfriends. Its as though they had lots of sex, but it was always the safe, good, healthy, appropriate kind. These particular girlfriends watch "Sex in the City" together and their response to the show illustrates what I mean -- they think the Kim Catrall (oldest woman into all kinds of kink) character is repulsive (I like her the best), Sarah Jessica Parker character dresses funny and is shallow, and the other two wommen are NORMAL.
In "Gilmore Girls" -- a show with a large teen and college age audience -- Rory, the main character's roomate is having an affair with a professor -- and Rory's response is mainly "how disgusting, I don't want to know". I am constantly amazed by how conservative twenty-something girls appear and are portrayed to be.

How this relates to Spankophilia:
Spanking seems to be the most taboo of kinks. If they're disapproving of kink in general than they're going to be least accepting of spanking. Among younger people (especially women) hitting in general is seen to be extremely inapropriate behavior -- the two pain-enthusiasts I know are willing to go through piercings and nailings, but not spanking -- there's an air of being a victim about it -- not completely in their control -- its not tough. The Portia di Rossi character on Ally McBeal is outraged and breaks up with her boyfriend because he spanked her. That show (women leaving their twenties and getting into their thirties) affirmed all kinds of sexuality and kinks, but chose not show a blonde girl liking a spanking. Almost all types of kink (including S&M) can be spoken about out laud in a Manhattan cafe, but not spanking exactly. I could more easily have a conversation about vagina-gazing yoga postions, ropes and threesomes than being spanked by my boyfriend. Spanking is old fashioned, not PC, something for old lechers. Perhaps twenty somenthings are simply in love with their own youth -- things associated with age they shun -- perhaps their thinking will change as they age...

In the meanwhile -- I don't see twenty-something girls being open to it at all.

Dear Saro,

You have my assurance that I am not making fun of you. I am enchanted by your writing which raises philosophical issues not previously mentioned here. Those contributors to whom I do take exception have their names entered in my BASTARD BOOK. (I hope you have seen this thread. I am very proud of it.)

Corporal punishment is very much a taboo subject. Have you read ‘Thy Rod and Staff’ by Edward Anthony. It explores the issue in detail.

Please continue to post and consider any unfavourable comments you may receive from Lotta Nonsense as all part of the knockabout, rough and tumble fun of this board.

With all good wishes,

Not an Anonymous Donation.

Dear old lotta nonsense
(yet anouther person hiding behind a screen name on an internet forum)

You seem to have failed to respond to all the points Lady Pandora raised in her original and second posts.
Does this not go to prove a point that you are merely attacking people rather than making a constuctive contribution to this board ?

I have heard a rumour you are a transexual that spends most her time online rather than living real life.

Is this the case?

Please enlighten us by answering these two questions.

I don't understand freddie's point about my being 'yet another person hiding behind a screen name on an internet forum'.

By 'screen name' I assume he means 'pseudonym' as every contributor to every Internet forum must use a screen name (even in cases where the default 'Anonymous' is chosen by the system software)?

And surely, pseudonyms are used more than 99.99% of contributors to internet forums?

And is 'littlefreddie' itself not a pseudonym?

A clear case of Pot and Kettle, I think.

Freddie also says that I "seem to have failed to respond to all the points Lady Pandora raised in her original and second posts" and asks me "Does this not go to prove a point that you are merely attacking people rather than making a constuctive contribution to this board?".

No, Freddie - it merely suggests that I'm quite particular when it comes to choosing who and what to respond to.

So what I wrote is all true?