I'm curious in England was the strapp used on girls? and was it used on the bottom or hand or both?

An L.E.A. in which the tawse was used on girls was Walsall. It was, I believe, given mainly on the hands, but occasionally on the bum, on the bum, on the bum.

Where did you get this infomation from? and why on the bum, on the bum, on the bum?

The information about Walsall came from the defunct InsideTheWeb School Corporal Punishment board. Someone wrote that his wife had been tawsed on the knickers. (She was a schoolgirl at the time). Walsall is also mentioned in a thread on this forum, but I’m buggered if I can find it.

‘On the bum’ is one of the most evocative phrases in the English language. I typed it thrice to encourage readers to masturbate.

Ho Ho, fair enough

Iv'e been reading about the mini riot at Heaton comprehensive school during the 70's which resulted from the headmaster telling the girls that from now on they would be caned. He apparently did cane a couple of girls before getting in trouble, after this he discided to compromise and strap the girls instead. After this decision he ordered 'super straps' for his school longer and thicker than the usual one. Does anyone know if this strap was designed to be used on the girls bottoms or hands

I've never seen a speck of evidence to suggest girls were ever strapped or caned on the bum by male teachers, except in circumstances where the man was subsequently charged with a criminal offence.

Stories about girls being slippered on the bum by males are usually fantasy but may well be true in some cases.

The main factor is the lifting of the skirt - canes and straps are slowed down tremendously by contact with a loose skirt and so are virtually useless unless the skirt is raised. Slippers, in stark contrast, can make a significant impression even through a skirt.

Any male teacher who ever whacked any girl on the bum (skirted or otherwise) should have been sent to prison for a very long time.

You're wrong C Nickel.
At my secondary school(South Derbyshire)a girl stole a gold ring off another girl in the changing rooms and was given 5 strokes of the cane on the bottom by the male headmaster.This is definitely true!
Boys were caned on the hands and this is the only incident of a girl being caned that i knew of(it was in 1981)
Mick

You say 'this is definitely true'.

Are we to understand that you saw the caning take place?

Or, do you mean "someone told me this happened'?

Well here is the newspaper cutting, surly this means it was not that strange for male teachers to strap or cane girls bums. I do see how loose pleated skirts would make the impact less painfull and a male teacher would not feel able to lift a girls skirt, although I guess the humilliation factor of being hit on the bum by a man would still act as a punishment in it's self for a girl, even with the actual pain dulled.

Daily Telegraph, London, 13 August 1976
'Super strap' for heads after schoolgirl riot
By George Turnbull

A NEW heavier, larger, wider strap is to be provided for headmasters at Newcastle upon Tyne, where seven months ago 200 children rioted at a comprehensive school over the introduction of corporal punishment for girls.

Details of the new deterrent were disclosed by education chiefs yesterday when six teenagers appeared before a juvenile court to be punished for their roles in the playground rebellion.

Issue of the "super strap" follows recommendations by a working party which has been considering a standardised form of corporal punishment for the area's 180 schools.

Head teachers have already been asked how many straps they will need and supplies are expected after the summer holidays.

The old strap was 18in long, 1.5in wide and weighed 50 grammes. Its successor will be 20in by 1.7in, weighing 55 grammes.

Cane rejected
Councillor Derek Webster, chairman of the education committee, said: "We accept there is still a place in schools for corporal punishment. Minimum use will be made of the strap but on occasions it is the only solution at the end of the day.

"The working party recommended retention of the leather tawse and reintroduction of the cane. We accepted a recommendation for a larger strap and rejected the cane. We think this is a reasonable compromise."

The decision was not a result of the trouble at a comprehensive school in January when children rampaged through the school after the headmaster decided to strap unruly girls as well as boys.

Councillor Cuthbert Stephenson, chairman of the working party which comprised councillors, teachers and head teachers, said: "Some school children get out of hand from time to time. Teachers on the working party felt a larger strap would be a greater deterrent. The threat is enough for 90 per cent. of the children but the odd one will now be punished with this strap."

The committee had examined various straps and had chosen a heavier one which had a "stiffer" action. "Some teachers felt that the children would just laugh at smaller straps."

Dave,

What do you see in that article to make you think that anybody was strapped or caned on the bum?

I've read it three times and I can't bums mentioned.

O, for an edit facility!

The last line should be: "I've read it three times and I can't see bums mentioned".

Well Ok it doesn't mention bums but thats why I asked my first question. I was hopping someone would know more about the situation than the article tells us.

There is another part to this article which I should have posted first which mentions the head threatening to cane girls before changing from the cane to the super strap, leading me to my question was this strap to be used on girls bums or their hands.


Here's the clipping


Evening Chronicle, Newcastle/Tyne, 7 January 1976
Schoolgirls get equal chance - to be caned!
By David Anderson

THE schoolgirls really felt liberated when the headmaster asked the boys to leave the the assembly hall.

The teenagers listened proudly as the he told them that from now on they would be treated exactly the same as the boys ...

But the girls of Heaton School, Newcastle, were stunned when he added: "And that means you will also get the cane!"

The girls have never been caned before and today there was growing apprehension behind the scenes.

A 16-year-old girl said: "We nearly died when the head said that we will now get the cane. I know it's women's lib year but we think this is taking it too far."

Will she take her punishment like a MAN?

"If I'm ever due to get the cane, I will run home."

At home her mother said: 'The thought of a bamboo cane really grieves me. I never hit my children.

"I do not believe in beating a child. I'd rather the girls be suspended if they are bad.

"There are ways and means of punishing them without hitting them."

But headmaster Mr. Henry Askew was adamant that what's good for the boys is good for the girls.

He said at the school today: "We simply told the girls that from now on they will be treated the same as the boys."

He said that the decision had been taken as the result of pressure from the school's women teaching staff who had had enough of the behaviour of some girls.

Mr. Askew, a juvenile court magistrate, added: "We have resisted caning girls for several year and I hope we do not have to use it on them."

Another schoolgirl, aged 15, said that the girls would be at a disadvantage because they are not allowed to wear trousers in warm weather. "The stick will hurt us more," she said.

It is understood that girls will get the cane if they are put in detention twice in a week.



Here's a headmaster from the same area that did cane girls, I assume on the bum.




Parents back girl caning, says head
A TYNESIDE headmaster who caned two girl pupils today said he had never received any complaints from parents over the school's corporal punishment policy.

Mr. Donald Simpson, headmaster of Linskill High School, North Shields, caned two girls after they had assaulted 15-year-old girl pupil who did not invite them to her Christmas party.

The assaulted girl's father said today that he had contacted a solicitor about the incident. But Mr. Simpson said: "The incident was reported to me by my deputy, and the girls were dealt with immediately.

"The matter was finished last week, and there is no animosity between the girls."

He added: "It is wrong that a squabble between three girls should endanger the reputation of the school."

The 970 pupils at Linskill School have a good reputation. Mr. Simpson said that, in his six years at the school, he had never yet had complaints from parents, disagreeing with school policy on corporal punishment for certain offences - especially violence.

"Not one per cent. of the pupils will ever have had the cane at the school," said Mr. Simpson. "We have got a comprehensive cross section of pupils, and a lot of thoroughly sensible parents interested in their children's education and welfare, and they support us up to the hilt."

......

Today Mr. John Partington, Director of Education for North Tyneside, said he had received no report on the incident and he stressed that the Authority's policy on discipline is that the headmaster is entirely responsible.

"It is left entirely to the headmaster and there is no formal scheme for corporal punishment in North Tyneside schools, other than that details of the punishment must be entered in a punishment book - that applies to all schools in Britain," said Mr. Partington.


So back to my original question.

Dave,

Take it from me - it's highly probable that teenage girls were never caned or strapped on the bum by male teachers in Britain except in circumstances where the old perv was subsequently prosecuted.

Imagine a schoolteacher passing a group of girls in the corridor. He stops them and gives each one a light pinch on the hand. Result? The girls look puzzled and walk away looking bemused.

Now imagine that same teacher giving each girl a pinch on the bum. Result? He's certainly sacked and almost certainly prosecuted.

Need I say more?

No i didn't actually see it,but my girlfriend(at the time)said this girl was summoned to the headmasters office and had been crying when she came back and told her friends.Why would she lie about it?

Interesting point, but how can you account for all the endless posts on friends reunited where girls say they were given the slipper by Mr ***** etc? (unlike the strap or cane the slipper was almost always used on the bottom both for boys and girls) and baring in mind that only about half a dozen headmasters have been prosocuted for whacking girls.

Also how do you account for the heads featured in the newspaper articles? I dont think they were taken to court were they?

I've actually seen at least to FR references to girls getting slippered on the hand. Yes, slippered on the hand.

On the other hand - so to speak - if you're so desperate to find female buttocks spanked by males, just look over to the good ol' US of A, where this still happens thousands of times every year. And it's all perfectly legal, and very, very few of them ever go to civil court, much less criminal court. In fact, most states have laws specifically designed to protect the bastards.

So you do mean 'Somebody told me it happened'.

That alone is enough to caste huge doubt upon its veracity but it's even worse than that...because what you're really saying is "Somebody told me that somebody told them it happened".

As for why someone would lie, just read all the 'true' stories on The Abyss and on any spanking site. Whatever the reason is, there's a hell of a lot of people doing it.

Dave,

(see also my posting of 1.22 today)

Can we get one thing straight here, before we move on?

In 'all these' newspaper articles, there is no mention of Heads whacking girls on the bum.

And just where are 'all these' first-hand Friendsreunited accounts of girls being whacked on the bum by male teachers?

There may be a few, but there aren't many - and the few that exist will probably refer to slippers which (as we've agreed) are effective on a skirted bum.

I never for a minute thought that girls would have been strapped,caned or slippered on their bare bums.

If we accept that there has never, in the UK, been a time when a male teacher could require a girl to raise her skirt for CP, we have only to recognise that canes and straps are useless on a loosely skirted bum.

That simple fact explains why girls weren't caned or strapped on the bum by male teachers.

"Now imagine that same teacher giving each girl a pinch on the bum. Result? He's certainly sacked and almost certainly prosecuted."

And a female teacher wouldn't be? And yet we know for fact that at some schools female teachers routinely caned girls' bums.

A female teacher wouldn't even be criticised for a one-off bum-pinching incident with a group of girls with whom she was on good terms.

Imagine a group of schoolgirls naked in the showers after a hockey match and a male geography teacher pops his head in and starts discussing a forthcoming field trip with them. Sacked? You bet!

Now imagine the geography teacher were a female. Nobody would bat an eyelid.

Dear Nickel,

Sir- why don't you just open your eyes! Like you I was a sceptic _until I saw Friends Reunited. I have saved lots of posts from girls from various schools, throughout the 60's, 70's, and 80's who were slippered on the bum by males. I have at least thirty posts and heaps more where the girl has not stated where, but has stated it was by a male teacher.

I agree with Dave

Be certain, Nickel, before you make your comments.
Or just spend a few hours on Friemds Reunited instead of consistantly shouting everybody down.

We know girls were not whacked as often. We know they were not in trouble as much as the boys. And we know if they were whacked as a last resort it was mainly by a female. But the incidents of girls bending over to be slippered by a male was much more common than you think. Open your eyes!


Paul

Dear Paul,

Madam, my eyes are wide open.

You may have thirty such references from FR (although I'd like to see them) but you fail to take into account that there are more than thirty thousand schools in the UK.

I have always allowed that a few girls may have been slippered on the bum by male teachers and I think most people will allow that a handful of girls from the tens of millions who attended those schools in the last fifty years is just a few.

We await your data with bated breath and, in many cases, unzipped trousers.

"A female teacher wouldn't even be criticised for a one-off bum-pinching incident with a group of girls with whom she was on good terms."

Well if I had known that I may have decided on a career in teaching after all!

Unfortunately my school didn't have group showers, so no female geography teachers ever popped their heads in to say hello. I do know of a certain male geography teacher who, if in the showers, would most certainly have been the subject of a few girls' longings to poke their heads in. I can't say I was one of them, despite his loving attempts to discipline me even to the point of detention on one occasion.

I would hardly call over thirty girls a handfull, Also there would probably be thousands of women that are registered on Friends reunited who didn't mention the slippering they recived not thinking it anything unusual and Also the many women slippered at schools who haven't logged on the F.R. and maybe don't even used the internet, beleive it or not there are some.

So you can't really use F.R. as aproper statistic, I'm suprised how many references to girls being spanked with the slipper by males and females that I've found, enough to beleive it was fairly common practice in the unusual event of girls being as naughty as boys were.

Dave,

Have a chat to any teacher at a girls' school.

He/she will tell you whether 30 girls are a handful or not.

 

done edit you requestered. We is at votre service madame carl and mats

 

One teenage girl can be a handfull I think thirty would need a compleatly different measurement.

I still maintain that even if only a handfull of schools in Engand slippered girls bums, thats still a lot of sore and embarrassed young ladies.
But was the strap ever used on girls bums by male or female teachers?

Dave,

I can assure you that canes, straps, slippers and God-knows-what-other-instruments were used on girls' bums by female teachers in certain schools.

The key to what was used by male teachers (if I haven't made this clear already) is that they weren't allowed to have girls raise their skirts.

Any instrument used on a loosely-skirted bum will produce unpredictable and unreliable results in terms of pain inflicted, whereas using almost any instrument on the hand produces consistent results time after time.

The only reason a male teacher would use any instrument on a skirted bum is . . . he's a perv!

Appart from the slipper that is, which was used on girls skirted bottoms at schools across England and Wales by both male and female teachers, other impliments including caned and straps were used but very very rarely other than by a female.

Another point, during the 60's to mid 70's girls skirts got shorter and shorter, by the 70's a girl in touch toes possession or bent over a desk would hardly need to have her skirt raised.
Believe me a loose pleated skirt of say 6 to 8 inches above the knee (typical length of skirt of rebellious girls during the 60's and 70's) would all but disappear if the wearer bent over even slightly (beleive me I remember the good old days), SO I don't think the issue of male teachers having to rais a girls skirts would really have been relevant.

The male head at the school I attended slippered both boys and girls indiscriminately,(although obviosly boys behaved worse and so got it more often) and as Friends Reunited shows that was not althogether unusual.

I grew up in Glasgae (Glasgow to you Sassanechs), where the tawse (strap) was used regularly on boys and girls. This being Glasgow, the teachers had to strap some of us hard to get any results. I got the strap regularly, on the hand and the arse, and so did my girlfriend at the time. She told me that her father (who worked on the docks and had muscles on his muscles) could use the strap much more effectively then the teachers. She came to meet me one day after she'd had a good leathering from her father (which she showed me), and she was as horny as hell. At first she didn't tell me that she'd been strapped, but it clearly made her wet, and I loved it.
If you think I'm not genuine, read how many Scottish schoolgirls were tawsed on the Friends Reunited website

The tale of your girlfriend coming to see you with a freshly leathered backside is a very hot concept.

Did your respective parents actually own a school type tawse or was a trouser belt in play at home ? Was it always the tawse on the hands at school and the backside at home, or was there some variety ?

Tell us more please !