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April 4 2003 at 7:58 PM
Ethelred 

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I'm new to this forum but I can see there is a lot of fantasy about.

I find it quite an interesting subject just out of interest what were the usual ways girls were punished at school?

Also was it very unusual for a girls school to have a Headmaster rather than Mistress as head?

 
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Jamie

Re: New to the Subject

April 5 2003, 9:09 AM 

Hi, my girlfriend whent to a all girls school back in the 70's which ahd a male Headmaster, I have not had the courage to ask her about the corporal punishment at her school yet for fear of her thinking, well "realising" that I'm an old pervert.

Anyway it does show that it wasn't compleatly unusual, although I think it would be very much the minority.

 
 
Brian Surgeon

Re: Re: New to the Subject

April 5 2003, 10:32 AM 

Ethelred,

We have a higher class of fantasy writer here (with the exception of Darwinian Man) than other fladge fora. The riff-raff are drawn to Brutish Spanking and Spunking Memories.

Girls were punished in various ways. The most usual was bending over a bed in the headmaster’s study.

Men were often appointed as heads of girls’ schools because of their love of corporal punishment. Most women who became heads were lesbianators, as giving a girl a hug after punishing her was highly valued by parents.

 
 
Brian

Re: Re: Re: New to the Subject

April 5 2003, 11:59 AM 

I agree with most of what you write, Brian, but take exception to your comments concerning the writers at Spanking Memories.

Have you read the many childhood reminiscences of anna.dk? He has a rare talent.

 
 
Ethelred

Re: Re: Re: Re: New to the Subject

April 5 2003, 1:58 PM 

I wasn't after fantasy I was complaining that there is so much about its hard to know whats true and what is fatasy especially if like me you went to school after the abolishment of C.P.

I want to know the truth about girls and school C.P. if I wanted fantasy I'd go elsewere.

Thanks Jamie, at least I know now that that aspect (Headmasters at Girlshools) isn't entirely fantasy based.

 
 
C. Nickel

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New to the Subject

April 5 2003, 3:59 PM 

Simon Langton School in Canterbury is just one example of a modern-day 'all girls' school with a male Headteacher.

There's no reason why such a school shouldn't have a male Head these days - but in the days of CP, it would have been an extremely dodgy arrangement.




 
 
Pauline

Re: New to the Subject

April 5 2003, 6:17 PM 

Most mixed schools had Headmaster, although there was always a Senior Mistress responsible for the girls.

Local Education Authority guidelines often said that girls should only be punished by women teachers.

 
 
Jamie

Re: Re: New to the Subject

April 5 2003, 8:40 PM 

I would also be quite dodgy as in many schools only the head could dish out corporal punishment, although I do beleive it was the case in some schools, perhapse though there would be very little C.P. in those schools, who knows?

I must get round to asking my girlfriend more about her school, but as it's still quite a new relationship and I don't want to run the risk of scaring her off.

 
 
Brian Surgeon

Re: Re: Re: New to the Subject

April 5 2003, 8:52 PM 

Jamie,

Your Freudian slip will be appreciated in Woking.

 
 
Ethelred

Re: Re: Re: Re: New to the Subject

April 6 2003, 1:34 PM 

Ok if we agree that female teachers usually if not always punished the girls at mixed schools, and that Girlschools usually had a headmistress and so girls were still punished by a woman and not a sleezy old headmaster.

How then were girls punished by these female teachers? were they punished the same way boys were? e.g. caned, slippered, spanked or strapped on their bums whilst tounching toes or bending over a desk, or is that just fantasy?

If girls were caned on their bums were they given as many strokes as boys i.e. six of the best etc. or less? and like boys especially at public school were girls somtimes required to be punished on the bare bottom?

I'm asking all this because I don't know, there is so much fantasy around that I really don't know what to believe.

 
 
Pauline

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New to the Subject

April 6 2003, 4:49 PM 

I can only tell you about my experiences. I went to a Church of England High School for Girls between 1965 and 1972.

Yes we were caned on the bum. We had to bend over a stool in the Headmistress's study. Normal punishment was either 4 or 6 strokes, depending on what you did, smoking and trunancy always got you six of the best.

Some teachers, all women, also used the slipper, but this was mainly on the first and second formers. My form mistress in my first year was always using the slipper. If you misbehaved when you were older than that you got sent to the Head and ran the risk of getting the cane. Our Gym Mistress used to slipper girls of all ages including those in the fifth form. In all cases we had to bend over and touch our toes. Usually you got two or three good whacks, but the Gym Mistress gave out six on several occassions that I witnessed, and one when I felt it!

 
 
C. Nickel

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New to the Subject

April 6 2003, 10:41 PM 

Ethelred,

If you pick at random 100 'true' stories of schoolgirl CP, it's almost certain they will all be fantasy.

If you pick 1000, I'd be surprised if more than 3 or 4 were true.

I have a longstanding challenge to all CP enthusiasts - name me a school in the UK where it was an accepted 20th Century policy for girls to be caned on the bum by a male. Nobody has ever been able to name such a school.

I have a similar challenge concerning girls caned on the bare bum by females. Likewise, nobody has ever come up with such a school.

While it's true that girls were caned/slippered/strapped on the 'non-bare' bum by females, you'll probably have to read hundreds and hundreds of such accounts before you can reasonably expect to have read a true one.

 
 
Ethelred

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New to the Subject

April 7 2003, 11:01 AM 

Do you think pauline is not being compleatly honest with us?

Also do you beleive that boys were caned on the bum bare or otherwise at school?

 
 
C. Nickel

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New to the Subject

April 7 2003, 1:43 PM 

Without wishing to single out Pauline's post, I would remind you that, purely from a statistical viewpoint, it is highly likely to be pure fantasy.

There can be no doubt that boys were spanked, slippered and caned on the bare bum at some public schools around the start of the 20th Century.

For a man to spank or slipper a boy (other than perhaps his own son) on the bare would, I think, indicate certain 'tendencies'.

However, such was the severity of some public school canings that a bare bum was, arguably, desirable in order than the caner be aware of the damage he was doing the boy's flesh.

Still doesn't mean the caner wasnt batting for the other side, though.

 
 
Nero

Pauline's post

April 7 2003, 6:28 PM 

I can't understand what C. Nickel and the others are on about here. Pauline specifically states that all the teachers at her school who used cp were women, and that the head was a headmistress. Nor is there any mention of bare bottoms. Her post seems to me entirely plausible in view of similar reminsicences from Friends Reunited etc., particularly bearing in mind the era she's talking about (1965-72).

 
 
Ethelred

Re: Pauline's post

April 7 2003, 8:24 PM 

What kind of evidence have you for boys being spanked, caned ,strapped, slippered etc. that you have not got for girls being treated the same by teachers of the same gender?

F.R. suggest that both boys and girls were subject to C.P. by both sexes as do the posts on this site and others, so what do you base your lack of evidence for girls being caned at school on?

 
 
C. Nickel

Re: Pauline's post

April 7 2003, 10:08 PM 

Nero,

As I have said, I'm not denouncing Paul's posting as a pack of lies but, as I have also said, it's status as an account of schoolgirl CP renders it more than 99% likely to fake - even before we examine its content.

When we do examine that content, we find it flies in the face of all that is known about CP in English schools.

Having considered all the evidence, I think we might safely now denounce Paul's posting as a pack of lies.

Sorry, Paul.

 
 
Darwinian Man

Re: Re: Pauline's post

April 7 2003, 10:13 PM 

I vote for Paul.

 
 
C. Nickel

Re: Re: Pauline's post

April 7 2003, 10:26 PM 

Ethelred,

The evidence that boys were punished in the ways I describe is simply overwhelming.

However, as I've said: "While it's true that girls were caned/slippered/strapped on the 'non-bare' bum by females, you'll probably have to read hundreds and hundreds of such accounts before you can reasonably expect to have read a true one."

As you're new to the subject, you may not be aware that the vast majority of women writing on CP websites are men in disguise.



 
 
Pauline

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New to the Subject

April 8 2003, 7:30 PM 

You asked a question and I answered it by telling you of my own experiences at school.

It is really up to you to decide if you think I am telling the truth or not.

Pauline.

 
 
C. Nickel

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New to the Subject

April 8 2003, 8:48 PM 

We've decided, Paul.

You're not.

 
 
Roger

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New to the Subject

April 13 2003, 3:44 AM 

Pauline/Paul,

Please ignore the comments of C.Nickel as although he is a valued member of this site for his wit and ruthless efficency in tracking down imposters, he can become a trifle cynical.

We believe every word of your story. As one who was only a few years in advance of your education (1963-1970) I know what was considered to be quite usual in those days.

Most of the boys in our mixed classes were slippered in front of the class,for the slightest offence. Most of the girls appeared to find this highly amusing and entertaining and therefore any stories you have of the girls getting their just deserts meets with my full approval.

It would be very helpfull if you could give us a lot of additional information about your experiances with the slipper,which would help to convince our more cynical friends of the authenticity of your story.

Did your Gym Mistress have a special slipper only resvered for this purpose? Or did she use her own gym shoe and if so what did it look like and a brief description of her would be helpful.

I have always thought that very few if any women have the required power and technique necessary to make the slipper a formidable implement and therefore need some further convincing that this method of punishment was in regular use at your school. Having been on the receiving end of a couple of 6 foot plus rugby teachers with very large gym shoes, I hope you can understand the point I am getting at.

 
 
Roger

Imposture

April 13 2003, 8:49 AM 

The above post is not from me. I would not write ‘helpfull’ or ‘experiances’.

Roger, frotteur and forum statistician.

 
 
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