At my school the cane was usually reserved for the boys the only girls I saw receive a whacking was my 6th grade teacher Mr Bishop whack a girl with his wooden ruler on the palm of Jodie Rankin's hands. He gave her one whack each hand as she was always talking in class.
So Lotta Nonsense girls did get cp by male staff members. Time to pack off and go home.

Another fine mess you've gotten yourself into, Hardy.

I'm well aware that UK schoolgirls received CP from male teachers but I think we're all aware that such punishment was almost always applied to to the hand(s).

My challenge to CP fantasists is as simple as it is longstanding: show me a reliable report of a UK schoolgirl being caned on the bum by a male teacher in circumstances which did not lead to criminal charges.

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The school and the headmaster are genuine entities but the Charlotte Hiley article is a fake as is the Somerset Free Press (although there is a West Somerset Free Press)

The story was concocted by a spanking fantasist and published on a spanking website but was later removed after threats of legal action.

The postings re St Audries on friendsreunited contain no references to CP yet contain many references to outrageous behaviour being punished in a non-CP manner.

In short, it never happened.

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But where would a person find such a report?

Most cases of corporal punishment in the past were never reported anywhere, and certainly not in any reliable source.

A case is only likely to be referenced in any such source if there were other factors that made it somehow unusual. Like winding up in court.

As a side note, I know the regulations that applied to corporal punishment in *state schools* in the various states of Australia throughout the 1970s. With the exception of New South Wales, these regulations generally applied until the abolition of corporal punishment in state schools in each state.

Only one state laid down any regulation that said girls could only be punished by female teachers (That was Western Australia - girls 12 or over could not be physically punished, girls under 12 could be by a female teacher only, in exceptional circumstances).

In Victoria and Queensland, only boys were subjected to corporal punishment (minor slaps by primary school teachers weren't considered to be corporal punishment).

In New South Wales and the Australian Capital Territory, girls under 12 could be caned by any authorised teacher, male or female, but only on the palms of the hands.

In Tasmania all girls could be subjected to corporal punishment in 'extreme cases of open defiance of a teacher's authority' by the Principal of a school and authorised senior teachers - but only with a strap or cane on the palm of the hand.

In South Australia, the Principal and Authorised Teachers, male or female, could administer corporal punishment to any girl - the only restrictions on methods was that striking the head was forbidden, and no permanent injury could be inflicted (court cases set the standard of physical injury - generally at around the level of GBH).

The Northern Territory had no regulations whatsoever - teachers could legally do anything a 'reasonable parent' would do.

These regulations applied to state schools only - independent schools were subject to the 'reasonable parent' test and no other.

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Now, not only do we have a 6th form girl caned on the bum by an male headteacher at an English school but she also happens to receive the magical 'six of the best' and she also happens to be very beautiful and very sexy and she also happens to have a portfolio of photos in which she's pouting at the camera and showing her perky nips and she also happens to have a brother who's heard of firmhandspanking.com and is such a lowlife that he sends them his sister's pics.

Yeah, RIGHT!

Lotta; You have made some valid points.In fact I think you might possibly be right. But what you haven't done is prove the article was never published.

A few moments' thought should make it clear that it's simply not possible to prove an article was never published.

What matters to this forum, however, isn't whether or not the article was ever published but whether or not the incidents referred to in the article ever happened.

Even the most rabid of spankophiles would have to admit it all seems a bit unlikely.

Question for Lotta Nonsense.
Do you believe that schoolgirls got the slipper on the bum from male teachers. That's not on the bare bum ,just bending over?

The vast majority of CP stories are laughably implausible but my objection to many superficially convincing school CP stories is that the alleged circumstances would have been unlawful, contrary to Local Education Authority guidelines, contrary to the day's standards of decency or just plain impractical.

On that basis, it's just about possible to imagine a school where girls were slippered on the skirt-covered bum by male teachers but, if it happened, such instances must have been rare.

OK, so if you already believe that it happened there is no need for me to post.
If you had said it never happened then I was going to post the evidence.

Dear Lotta;Since you seem to have access to the FR site
for St.Audries School,Perhaps you would be willing to post a message requesting confirmation of the vote to retain CP in 1988/89 by parents and students. And if caning was a choice instead of detention/gating.I would like to know one way or another.I have nothing at stake in this,so I will be satisfied with minimal proof.I know you have your challenge at stake,so it means more to you than it does me.Of all the comments you have made about this article,the only thing that casts any doubt on it is the lack of evidence on FR.

P.S. I take exception to the word Rabid.

A young lady by the name of Bridie Doherty left St Audries in 1989 and recently posted the following on friendsreunited.

"Added by Bridie Doherty on 03/11/2002 23:10:38

Punishments...

Does anyone remember the following:
If you were late for 3 meals you had to get up at 6am and all sit in a line in the Middle School Library. No speaking allowed!
Also, the "Naughty Table", right outside the staff dining room.
And being put on report - I know I was for playing up in Mrs Parker's Maths lessons (among others!)
Also, cleaning out the cattlegrids was a speciality..."

Now, is it my eyes . . . or am I right in thinking that Bridie recalls nothing about CP?

A young lady by the name of Lesley Mead left St Audries in 1985 and later posted:

"Added by Lesley Mead on 08/10/2001 14:31:50

The Dan Davey

Do you remember those contraptions near the windows on the upper stories of the main building - they were old fire escape devices. Basically a rope which you could climb down the side of the building on. Well, we were always told not to touch them...and one day we just decided we would have to have a go.

It ended up like this - Sharon King was hanging halfway down the side of the building - the following people were inside holding onto the rope: Emma Cumming, Sarah Armstrong, Sarah Stockley, Nicky Farrar and myself. And then in comes the House Mistress (can't remember her name - Stewart House) and we all let go of the rope!!!

Sharon shouts obscenities from outside while we all try and look very innocent...

We all ended up having to clear out the cattle grids with our bare hands on a very wet and cold December day as a punishment - this was during my very first term at St Audries!"

Now, is it my eyes . . . or did a group of girls break a longstanding safety rule and thus nearly cause the death of a fellow pupil . . . and were they caught in the act by the House Mistress . . . and their punishment was 'cleaning out the cattle grids'?

The two St Audries postings above should suggest to even the most spank-happy reader that discipline at St Audries might not have been quite as Draconian as a certain spanking site would have us believe.

The first refers to the girl's experience in the latter half of the 1980's and the second apparently to an incident in the late 70's.

It's not clear when Mr Tough, the allegedly cane-weilding headmaster, was in power at St Audries but it's clear he was there from the mid-70's (if not earlier) and so would have been responsible for discipline at the times the above incidents took place.

The newspaper article is dated around 1988/9 and refers to a vote to 'carry on' caning, which means that caning was already well-established before that time.

The article is a spoof.

Charlotte Hiley never existed.

Ok Lotta. That is compelling evidence.I will concede that things don't look good for the defense.In fact I will even call it a stale mate.

P.S. I liked the happy face icon.

I think this factual info i'll give now will shut off all the claimings that girls were or shall be punished as boys.Defenitely boys are completely different in regard of punishments. The following punishments description happenned in all-male schools in the past in the arab world, what is called (fallaka,which is basically holding the boy's feet in the air and inflicting speedy and hard cane strokes on the soles of feet).

The following was an article published in Arabic magazine(Zahrat Al Khaleej):

In the past many schoolboys suffered the painful punishments under the rule of rods,canes and belts.Many times thousands of parents the beginning of new school year marched their boys to the schools and requested headmasters to take the flesh of their son and throw it back in bones to his parents,representing conscent of parents and their acceptance for school teachers/officials to inflict corporal punishment on their boys.Parents stated to headmasters if it's required to strip the skin out of their boys flesh if the boy is extraordinarly notorious or bad.
In every school in the past there was a head teacher who taught the boys manners and discipline, who would take any boy who has even commited a very minor infracture or negligible mistake,with severe physical feet sole discipline. Teachers were very strict and by no means comparable with today's teachers.
If you were a schoolboy in the past and if you forgot to cut your hair properly(it was the norm for schoolboys hairs to be shaven completely,no single hair is allowed to grow during school year),the teacher would punish you on your legs and back with a thick merciless long cane by slashing ur flesh till your back and bottoms are engraved with red bloddy lines (this was the immediate on the spot punishment) but the teacher may choose to waive ur punishment to impose Fallaka where he gets the assistance of a couple of schoolboys from the same class and take over the punished boy to the school hall in front of other pupils and the 2 boys lift the punished boy's feet in the air holding them firmly after stripping the boy from his sandal and socks(socks removed to inflict a more painful punishment)then the 2 assisting boys along with the teacher tie the punished boys feet to a wooden frame so they are suspended in the air and the teacher catches the thick cane in his hand and take the boy's feet with stroke after stroke in a speedy and very loudly manner,of course the immediate reaction of the punished boy was ear-splitting screams due to the severety of physical pain.The nbr of strokes depend on the boy's mistake,and his age.Of course if you were a bigger boy(12+) you would get it harder and more strokes. After the teacher cease the punishment,some of the audience boys volunteer to untie the punished boy and carry him almost dead from pain and reaches him to his home,of course there is no space here to mention about the shame,humiliations and even home punishments the boy would get from his parent and family members afterwards(this requires another article).
On the next day,the punished boy will come to the school with heavy motion and overall physical tardiness due to the inflammation on his feet soles due to the strokes he received from the thick cane which stinged a lot like a hell.

Also one of the most severe unforgettable punishments for male students in the past was the "suspending on the tree",the mischievous boy would be stripped of hos sandal and converted on his stomack on a flat upper straw of a big tree where he would be firmly tied to the straw ,and his legs stretched and tied on another 2 opposing straws as well as his hands to another front opposing strwas. The boy's head is tightly rested on a wide/thick straw, then the teacher will have the choice whether to cane the feet freely while the boy is tied or to leave the boy in this situation (suspended) for 3 or 4 hours.

Boys' punishments in the past varied and the hitting was severe and physically damaging,they were scary,and approved by parents especially in rural societies as they look at their boys as little men who will be toughened and grown into real tough men in the future and this will be supported by severe corporal punishments.

Regarding girls schools, they were very less than boys schools, and they didn't know corporal punishments.

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.........etc (there is a long continuation for the article).

See guys in the group,after you read this, do you still think a girl will the hell bear one stroke even it was applied by a soft flower?!!!
Fallaka was a cruel punishment,yes i support corporal punishment for boys, and i can never imagine it would have been thought of for the girls,I personally see the old days were the good days, those old punished boys turned pretty well men nowadays.

Thanks,