Hi everybody - I'm hoping someone who has reread old threads more recently than I might be able to answer this question for me - I'm still on a dial up connection and waiting for threads to load here is painfully slow - it's OK when I'm just checking threads that have been updated, but I really would rather not just go back looking through every old thread.

A while back - not that long ago, I don't think - one poster on this list issued a challenge of sorts - they asked for people to come up with an example of a case of a male headmaster having administered corporal punishment to a female child on the buttocks in the UK - any case which hadn't wound up in court.

If someone can find the thread (or threads, I think the challenge was made several times) where this was stated, I'd really appreciate them letting me know the title of that thread.

The reason I ask is that I may have discovered such evidence - it depends on what the precise wording used was.

It's not a big deal - it's just that if it actually did happen and can be shown to have happened, I think that will be of interest here.

The information will eventually be posted anyway - but if I can get the wording of the challenge made, that would interest me greatly.

The following, currently on Page 3, is part of the ‘Bare Behinds’ thread.


Sarajane

Re: Re: Bare canings November 2 2002, 11:13 AM


Yes, the cane was used across skirts.

It was also used with skirts raised.

However, I've never heard of a case where a male caned a girl on the bum at school without ending up in court.

I remember those debates quite well.

They were usually started by some idiot masquerading as a female and claiming to have been whacked on the bum by a male teacher.

The famous case of the Copland green knickers had almost everybody fooled and was probably the most successful hoax ever perpertrated upon the good readers of this forum.

There is no doubt that schoolgirls were occasionally whacked on the skirted bum by male teachers but that was exceedingly rare compared with the incidence of boys being whacked.

Friends Reunited contains a number of reports of such incidents but these cannot be relied upon entirely as it has been demonstrated that hoax reports can be published on the FR site and they often go unchallenged even though the name of the girl in question is unknown to anyone at the school and the alleged incident is outrageous enough to test the imaginative powers of Edgar Allan Poe.

The 'challenge' has been worded in several ways but it's basically an invitation to identify a school in the UK the official policy of which allowed teenage girls to be whacked on the unskirted bum by a male.

Thanks to both of you for replying - especially Gillian for naming one of the threads.

I would like the titles of the other threads if possible, so I can see precisely the questions that were asked at those times - not a restatement now of what people claim was said (possibly accurately - I can't say because I can't remember the exact wording). I may have to check myself somewhere where I have decent speed internet connection. I've seen too many cases at times when people have changed the boundaries everytime a new piece of information has become available.

The case I have information about is from what I would consider to be a fairly reliable source - just about as reliable as any other source I can imagine - certainly a lot more reliable than something like Friends Reunited is. I am a lot more careful with my research than to trust something from a site anyone can add to, without some sort of collaboration.

Hopefully, 'especially Gillian' will be able to direct you to all the relevant postings.

I have found just one other instance. The following is part of the ‘New to the Subject’ thread, which is currently on Page 8.


C. Nickel Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New to the Subject April 6 2003, 10:41 PM

Ethelred,

If you pick at random 100 'true' stories of schoolgirl CP, it's almost certain they will all be fantasy.

If you pick 1000, I'd be surprised if more than 3 or 4 were true.

I have a longstanding challenge to all CP enthusiasts - name me a school in the UK where it was an accepted 20th Century policy for girls to be caned on the bum by a male. Nobody has ever been able to name such a school.

I have a similar challenge concerning girls caned on the bare bum by females. Likewise, nobody has ever come up with such a school.While it's true that girls were caned/slippered/strapped on the 'non-bare' bum by females, you'll probably have to read hundreds and hundreds of such accounts before you can reasonably expect to have read a true one.

I worked with a girl who went to the same school as me who told me the headmaster had caned her on the backside along with several boys.i believe her as i went to the same school and knew her as a tomboy always in trouble.
Before any of the guys get out the vaseline and draw the curtains let me tell you that this girl did in fact look like and behave like a boy and an ugly one at that.

Dean; Did you get the idea that Lotta may be slightly peeved with you. I think we are all anxious to see if what you have found conforms to the challenge. I'd wager that even 'especially Gillian' is interested.

Don't worry - I will post either tomorrow or Friday - at least that's the plan at the moment.

Whether it answers the challenge or not, depends on the wording used.

I think it does match:

"However, I've never heard of a case where a male caned a girl on the bum at school without ending up in court."

although the match is rather based on technicalities.

It doesn't match:

"I have a longstanding challenge to all CP enthusiasts - name me a school in the UK where it was an accepted 20th Century policy for girls to be caned on the bum by a male. Nobody has ever been able to name such a school."

First of all, because it doesn't name the school (although the source is good enough that I think the truth of the report is fairly evident - it's a pretty reliable source). Secondly because it's a reference to a single incident - and the precise question is whether the incident was accepted policy or not).

It is clear and fairly uncontrovertible evidence that at least one girl was struck on the (presumably clothed) bottom (probably with a cane - because of the injuries described but this is not absolutely explicit) in a state school in England during the 20th Century (1946 to be precise).

No more than that.

Whether that matches the challenge - depends on which version of the challenge is used. It seems to have evolved over time - it comes very close to matching the language of November 2 2002 (at least in a technical sense) but doesn't match later language.

I think it will still be of interest, whether it matches perfectly or not. The primary reason I asked people to come up with the threads was because I didn't want to claim it did - unless it did.

The only reason I'm not posting it right now is that there is a slight chance I may be able to identify the actual school involved by this time tomorrow - I don't think I'll be able to, but it's possible. I'd prefer to give as complete information as possible.

I may also place in some other related information that I obtained today - not sure yet how long it's going to take me to get this organised - obviously my paid work comes first so I'm grabbing this material in odd moments.

I am one who does not believe there has ever been a genuine case of a male schoolteacher whacking agirl on the bare bottom with a cane.

However, rumours still persist that girls were caned on the bare bottom at Dumbrell's School (an all girls school). Has anyone got anything tangible? Is it just a rumour?

But there are genuine cases where fathers have used a cane on the bare bottom of their daughter. No shortage of such stories.

I've misplaced the material I was going to cite - unless I can figure out what I've done with it, there may be some delay in making it available. Just in case anyone is waiting.