was i the only bloke to get slippered by a female teacher! not many of us around, unless you know differently?? i was 12 ish and headmistress used to slipper me with a white lace up plimsoll, a tatty old thing ,but boy it could hurt. so where are you? come on you know your out there?. true accounts only please.. phil

We know of a Miss Tozer who used to slipper both boys and girls in front of the class. She taught at Hodge Hill and Sheldon Heath Schools in Birmingham. There is a strange reference to her at Friends Reunited. The writer is female.


Iremember [sic] having the pump across my hands [!] and hitting them on the desk for writting [sic] a full stop in lesson [sic]

It is by no means unheard of for a female Headteacher to slipper male pupils.

However, such slippering Heads were rarely (if ever) the stuff of schoolboy fantasy.

As every one of us knows, senior teachers of either sex tend to be dragons rather than darlings.

My primary school Headmistress use to slipper boys and occasionally girls, as I found to my cost on one occasion.

Val

Details please, Val.

Thank you.

We had a teacher in primary school in Leicester, can't remember her name, who slippered. I got it once from her, i had been playing around in class, she told me off a couple of times, i ignored her, at break time she told me to stay behind I approached her desk she told me off again, produced her tennis shoe from her desk, grabbed my arm, put me over a desk and gave me three whacks.

Ok Concerned here goes.

I along with three other girls and several boy was caught playing in the schools old WW2 air raid shelters, which were strictly out of bounds.

We were marched down to the Headmistress’s office and lined up outside her door, whilst the teacher informed her of our misdeeds As there were to many of us to all get in her office, she came out and gave us a real telling off in the corridor. Then we were taken in one at a time and given the slipper, which was in fact an elasticated plimsoll, which was commonly referred to as “The Pump”

We all got Three of the Best, the one concession being that we only had to lean against her desk to be punished, where as the boys had to bend right over and touch their toes.

I remember the whole experience as being really frightening and of course painful. However afterwards I can remember felling really proud that not only had I had the Pump, but that unlike some of the others, I hadn’t cried.

Val

Thank you, Val, for such an interesting account. The reason I am ‘concerned’ is that we get so many fantasists on here. I don’t mean you, of course.

The only important detail missing from your message is the name of the school. I would guess it was a school in the midlands or the north. The term ‘pump’ is not used in the south.

"The only important detail missing from your message is the name of the school"

And the name of the Headmistress and the approximate date of the incident.

Sorry, I’m not prepared to post the Headmistress’s name on here, as I believe, although well into her eighties, she is still alive and I don’t consider that fair. I am therefore also not prepared to post the name of the school, as she could be identified on Friends Reunited.

However I can say that it happened in Birmingham, in the autumn on my last year a primary school so it must have been 1962.

Val

Val,

Us lot down here in East Grinstead are intrigued. Could you possibly give us a clue - such as the initial letter of the school - and then we can all try and guess that it was Bromford Junior where presided the fearsome Miss Roberts.

It would make a good game for this sunny bank holiday evening.

No clues have been forthcoming, but I don’t care. I’m going to jump right in, stay with the letter B, and say it was Mrs Bamforth at Barford Primary. She was a real old harridan who used to get visitors from the education department doing playground duty.

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There is not, never has been, and never will a legitimate reason for refusing to identify a school or a headteacher where neither was involved in anything illegal, immoral or remotely embarrassing.

An unnamed school therefore is, was and always will be a fantasy school.

Likewise, an unnamed headteacher is, was and always will be a fantasy headteacher.

I am very disappointed that Val has not responded. I like the way she writes and had hoped that she would have become one of our regular contributors.

Lotta is right, of course. On this forum we name schools and teachers.

As they used to sing:

It’s not unusual to get slippered on the bum,
It’s not unusual to get slippered up in Brum.

Val is allegedly one Valerie Giles, a 53-year-old married lady from Oxfordshire who works in Retail Administration.

Hobbies include posting messages on Yahoo's CPMemories site.

Thank you very much, Lotta.

Val’s profile can be seen at:

http://profiles.yahoo.com/valerie_g100

She is a very beautiful lady indeed.

She sure is beautiful. And if she weren’t a married lady I’d be on that 09.20 Virgin Express tomorrow to Oxford, calling at Haywards Heath, Gatwick Airport, East Croydon, Kensington Olympia, Reading and arriving at Oxford at 12.00 or probably some time next week.

Valerie is my kind-a woman in my kind-a town. At least it would be if that bastard Roger Payne didn’t work there.

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Hi, I occasional drop in to have a look at this board, but not so much nowadays as it seems to have gone very off-topic. I did however find this particular thread quite interesting, practically the postings from Valerie. It’s a pity that she would not name the school or teacher involved and that she (or he) appears to have disappeared off into the Ethernet, as I found her story very interesting

I also went to school in Birmingham at around the same as her and can confirm that corporal punishment for girls was quite common both in my school and others in the area. I can also confirm that she didn’t attend Lakey Lane Primary School as at that time we had a Head Teacher called Mr Burgess who use to cane us on the hands. By us, I mean the boys, as although he may have caned girls, I can’t recall him doing so. I can however recall him punishing girls on one occasion. Or teacher was off sick and Mr Burgess was standing in for him. For some reason long forgotten, about a dozen pupils, including several girls found themselves being summoned to line up at the front of the class. The rest of us were then treated to the sight of him going down the line give each of them 2 of the hardest whack with the ruler that I had ever seen. All but the toughest boys returned to their seat in tears.

This was by no means an isolated incident, as most as teachers used some form of corporal punishment to maintain classroom discipline. Most used the ruler, although a couple used the cane and one a wooden bat. Although boys were punished much more than girls, they got their fair share and I doubt that many made it through their 6 years at the school without feeling the ruler on their hand or the backs of their legs at least once

My main memories are of a teacher called Mr Mathews, I was in his class for 2 years and he was the first teacher to cane me. I was caught out of my seat, along with a girl who’s name I have forgotten, taking paper from the cupboard whilst he had gone out the room. He went straight to the other cupboard where the cane was kept and took it out. The girl who I remember as being a bit of a delicate thing with what in these more enlighten times would be called learning difficulties, burst into tears at the sight of it. However, he turned to her and said, “Luckily for you young lady I don’t cane girls”. She was allowed to return to her seat, whilst I got 3 across my backside.

However the “I don’t cane girls” bit wasn’t exactly true as I did later see him cane one girl. Her name was Rita (forgive me for not giving her surname). She was called to bring out her work for him to check and whatever she had done was not to his liking. The cane which had already been used that morning was still on display on his desk as a deterrent to others and to our and especially Rita’s surprise, he picked it up and gave her a quick stroke on each hand. He remained seated whilst he did it and the strokes were little more that “Love taps” but it reduced the poor girl to a flood of tears, probably more from shock than pain. I fondly remember this as being the only time in my school career that I actually saw a girl get the cane.

If you out there Valerie, please come back with more information and any other stories you may have.

I very much doubt if we shall hear from Valerie again. We get this sort of thing often and are therefore not bothered by it.

Valerie kindly included her email address in her contribution so that interested readers may contact her directly.

I never cease to be amazed at the gullibility of our otherwise intelligent readers.

By all means email 'Valerie'.

I'm sure he'll be delighted to string you along for years and years.

I got quite excited gazing at the picture of Valerie last week. It was only this evening that I realised it’s a bloke in drag!

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I was frequently slippered by female teachers at my Church of England junior school 1961-1965, touching my toes in front of the class, which sometimes included my twin sister. Also, for being too slow (the last) to climb out of the swimming bath, my female teachers made me touch my toes in front of the class of girls who were using the pool next, and smacked my bottom with a float.
I used to get the pump (the slipper) about 5 times a week from attractive, young(ish) female teachers.

The senior mistress at my school (all girls) was very effective with the slipper. I was once caught engaging in some immodest behavior and had to see her in her study. She invited me to bend over her desk. My skirt was lifted and I received 6 of the best across my knickers. Looking back, I suppose it was well deserved, but I did not appreciate it at the time.

Thanks, Amanda. I loved your use of the word" invited": I take it, as in the film "The Godfather," this was an offer that you couldn't refuse?! What did she say to you afterwards, do you remember?

She said, “Andrew, don’t let me catch you wearing your sister's clothes again.”

Hmm, a bit too dense for me. I'm not sure whether to say "Ha Ha" or "Sorry to hear of your problem Andrew/Amanda, I hope you can get the professional help you so obviously need".

I think we have one or two transvestites' on The Forum
A_L.
But whatever gives them a thrill.
Who buys their clothes for them, or do they scramble
over garden fences at night, raiding washing lines.

Hi Paul B. If they do scramble over garden fences at night raiding washing lines they must have a bit of a problem. Can't remember the last time I saw any washing out round my neck of the woods, everyone has dryers!

I was often slippered by female teachers at my Church of England Junior school 1961 - 1965, touching my toes in front of the class (including girls, one of whom was my twin sister.

Please could the Subscriptions Manager tell us if Ian Thomas:

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Maybe both these posters have some free time in the lunch break?

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I agree with Lotta. Why is Ronnie Corbett punching that woman on the chin?

Bending over the senior mistress's desk with skirt up and knickers down for 6 of the best with the slipper was very common during the 1970s at my boarding school. Why all the sudden interest?

Senior girls at my boarding school were often given a choice between the slipper or detention.

Was the slippering done privately? Was skirt raised? What was the usual dose?

Yes, Yes, 12

Although I agree that the slipper was in regular use in the private system for girls, I think that 12 of the best was a little harsh. Generally speaking 6 was the maximum. The senior mistress at my school usually gave 4, but these were very effective. Some prefects did give 6 but this was exceeding their authority. I am a very modest person by nature so please do not make any inquiries concerning skirts and knickers. Thank you for your time and patience.

I agree that 12 was too severe.I found that 4 to 6 was usually quite adequate especially if knickers were lowered.

However for a knickers up slippering 12 of the best could be considered. At my school only the head prefect or deputy head prefect could use the slipper (apart from some teachers of course) and were limited to 6. Knickers could be lowered at their discretion but both were very conservative in their approach to discipline.

As for the tawse this is pure fantasy. As far as I know the tawse was never used in the UK on a girl. There is even considerable doubt if the tawse actually existed or is an invention of some of these cyberspace fanatics who seem to think that it was open season on naughty girls in the UK between 1970 and 1990. I think a reality check is in order.

I must agree with the other girls. 12 of the best was over the top regardless of the location of the holy sundies. We never had our knickers lowered and 6 was usually the maximum even for senior girls although the gym mistress was known to give 8, but only in private. These days of course if a teacher raised her voice to a girl there would be a royal commission instigated. How times have changed.

Bye for now.

I am just curious about prefects being able to administer cp in an all girls school. Was this officially sanctioned or did they just do it randomly?
Were these punishments recorded, and where did they take place? I am sorry to ask so many questions but I did not realise that this was such a common practice in the UK even according to some of the women posting these messages up to 1990. I am guessing that this could only happen in the private system.

At my school the prefects did not really have the authority to slipper any of the girls but I once got a really good leg smacking from the head prefect. Whether she actually had the authority to do this or not did not seem relevant at the time, since the alternative would have been a visit to the office of the senior mistress for at least 6 of the best with the slipper plus a possible leg smacking as well. So I probably got off very lightly.

Most prefects did not smack or even hand out any sort of punishment. I knew of a few other girls that were smacked by the head prefect but I never knew of any to be slippered by any prefect. I was smacked privately in an empty classroom during the lunch break. I do not know about the other girls.

When I attended school there was no way any prefect could administer any type of cp,not even a quick smack across the bottom. I am not even sure if student teachers were allowed to smack either but once at a school camp I received a really sound smacking from one of the student teachers who was in charge of our room at the hostel we were staying at. I will admit it was well deserved since I was out of control at the time. I never mentioned it to anybody since I would most likely have got into more trouble.

Anyway in those days smacking was no big deal. You forgot about it about one hour after it happened, but I will admit I did behave myself after that. got on well with that particular student teacher after that and everything was ok. If I had misbehaved like that back at the actual school I would have been slippered for sure.

As far as I can recall student teachers(female of course)were allowed to smack the girls, but most were too timid to try. I remember once being very cheeky to a very young student teacher who was taking yard duty. She took me into an empty classroom and tried to give me a smacking but did not have a clue. It was a joke, so I just laughed it off. But the senior mistress found out about it and I got 6 of the best with the slipper later on. I am not sure how the senior mistress found out about it. Maybe one of the other teachers told her.

I remember that back in 1964 I was given the slipper by a student PE Teacher during the PE Lesson. He was very efficent at it leaving abright red inprint on my behind which lasted for the rest of the day.

Our games mistress was not a student teacher but was relatively young at the time,which was around 1979. I am guessing, but maybe early twenties. She did not slipper but slapped the back of our upper thighs really hard if you played up too much.

This left visible hand prints which sometimes lasted all day. She was very unpredictable and sometimes did not smack you but just told you off in a somewhat light hearted way. If she did smack you it was always 4 of the best across each leg. Regardless of this she was very popular with all the girls. I really got on well with her but still managed to get my fair share of smacked legs. Some girls cried but at the end of the day all was forgotten. If she saw you out of school she would give you a big hug and joke around with you. After I left school I became friendly with her for quite a few years. She had a great personality, very extroverted.

Games mistresses. Don't get me started. Our games mistress was also relatively young, about 28, but did not smack in front of the class. She waited until everybody got back to the changing rooms. Any girls who had been playing up were put across her lap and given any amount of hard smacks across both bottom and upper thighs. There were plenty of hand prints later to review. Before anybody asks the obvious,we wore gym shorts and they were not lowered. They did not need to be since they were relatively thin and did not offer much protection. In any case there was plenty of bare upper thigh to go for as well. This teacher was quite popular but probably not as popular as the teacher that I believe Amelia described. Looking back from today's perspective it might seem rather harsh. At the time it was just part of another p.e. lesson. Generally speaking I was quite well behaved so did not need to spend too much time across her lap.

Hello Heidi

Your eloquent and moving story has encouraged me to emerge from self imposed exile and give young Asquith a well earned rest since he has had to endure more beatings (figuratively speaking) than a rented mule lately. Being a few years older than
Asquith I did experience quite a bit of cp at various private girls schools I attended in all parts of the UK.

Like so many of our fellow female posters, I can state quite categorically that the gym mistresses were a law unto themselves and seemed to be able to hand out any type of corporal punishment they chose regardless of age or stature of the girl concerned, be they head prefect or humble hall monitor. The methods were varied but all very effective. I congratulate you and all my female comrades for having the courage and skill to confront some of the hardliners who seem to thrive in the anonymity of cyberspace waiting to pounce on the vulnerable and the innocent.

It would be remiss of me not to pay tribute to young Asquith for his outstanding contributions to this forum. I happen to know that since he started posting, this site has received more hits than a red headed stepchild. So its bye for now and hope to hear from all of you very soon.

Celia

Thank you Celia for those very kind words of encouragement. Yes I know what you mean. I believe that our gym mistress dealt with the prefects privately since I never actually saw a prefect go over her lap. I heard rumors that she slippered prefects in her office. But this could have just been idle gossip. Then again most prefects did not play up.

Although the thread is about slippering.
After repeated warnings and letters home/parents summonded to school etc.
My female cousin was given 6 strokes of the tawse on the bare bottom by the headmaster of her school. In his study with female witnesses.
Liverpool circa 1973, she was about 13.
No proof other than her word and her parents confirmation.

MIMI

And, because it's YOU posting, we know it happened.

Unlike the various silly "moos" on here, who pretend it happened to them, when we all know women do NOT like to broadcast their school CP sufferings to the world at large, let alone have them broadcast for them.

I just hope your cousin doesn't have access to either this forum, and that she isn't a member of the Mersey Ducks & Harbour Board, either!


Steve M

The Mersey Ducks & Harbour Board!

A masterpiece Steve, keep up the good work!

Mimi, you know things like your account above sometimes happened, I know it, and most people on here over the age of 50 know it. However, our juvenile fun posters are fortunate to have grown up in a much laxer and less rigorous educational system, so they don't know it. And sadly, if we believe Asquith, you've just added another brutal murder by those bovver-booted ducks to the already substantial list.

And let's not forget what Colin West got away with in Carlisle in the late 70's.

Spanking Kit is the feed you need for the new excellent search engine.


Steve M

There have been a few messages lately referring to bare bottom tawsing of young women. Why do the various strains of Lurkers and other nay sayers presume that Mimi's account is the only genuine one? I put more credibility in the two recent postings by Nancy.

That's the credible "timid" young lady in her rather short skirt, I presume?

Who's also managed to pick up my little point last night & has suddenly had her knickers taken down instead of her panties?

About as credible as my Masters degree in Difficult Sums from the University of Life that sits here next to PC.


Steve M

What nancy says may well be true because that is her experience ( or lack of it )
It matters not a jot to moi if anyone believes moi or not, I merely inform the facts that I have either witnessed or been informed of.
Why should what my Cousin, Aunt,uncle et al have told me could be a fabrication defies logic, why make up a story such as that.
I will also confim she was well out of control and the school/parents were at the end of their tethers.
Also the whole class slippering of both girls and boys that I witnessed ( and was part of )at age 14 which was carried out by a male teacher certainly happened.
Look up SF&R records, particularly the Jock section involving tawsing, plus Corpun in general, are these all vivid imaginations?
Of course not, you name it, you imagine it and believe me it happened during the pre 90s.

You still have not answered the question why third hand anecdotal stories from mimi and her ilk are necessarily more believable than first hand accounts from Nancy who at least was actually present at the time.

Also Asquith's recounting of his girlfriend Celine's experience is also very credible although admittedly circumstantial. At least in the latter accounts the person administering the cp is female which is more likely than a non-female administering cp to a female.

Cecilia, you ask:

Why do the various strains of Lurkers and other nay sayers presume that Mimi's account is the only genuine one?

If by 'various strains of Lurkers' you mean me, I don't necessarily presume that Mimi's account is the only genuine one. I do however most definitely think that Mimi's account is a genuine one, whereas I find quite a few recent accounts in this estimable Forum less than credible.

Mimi has been around on this forum for a long time. A lot longer than me. I've read all his recent posts, and many of his earlier posts, way back before he adopted the mimi pseudonym. I've never seen a mimi post concerning school CP that I couldn't relate to my own school experiences and those of my contemporaries.

Contrast that with Nancy of the smoking at school tawsing (this thread) and the boarding house tawsing in her short skirt with knickers (well spotted, Steve) lowered (the 'Is tawsing still legal?' thread here). 12 strokes both times! No, not this side of Fantasy Island! Mimi's cousin only got six strokes after repeated and prolonged bad behaviour, and despite the fact that the punishment was with her parents' consent. For anything other than that sort of prolonged bad behaviour 4 strokes of any severe implement would have been about the most a girl would experience at school, even for smoking. As for the boarding house tawsing - my views on that are in the relevant thread. As noted there I'll be most interested to see anything verifiable that contradicts them!

If the relatively light McRostie tawse had been used in the case of Nancy, and I assume it was, then 12 of the best would be no problem, since in the first instance, the girl was about 18, and I presume in the latter, in her early twenties. Mimi's account would be more credible if a female teacher administered the tawsing, although I do not completely discount it.
The fact is, that most realistic cp involving girls or young women could only legally be applied by females, usually without the need for any implements. Most of the messages on this forum seem to confirm this.

BTW Heidi, you say anecdotal stories from mimi and her ilk. I have to tell you that mimi is most certainly not female, although he doesn't usually take offence when people like you, who start posting without first acquainting yourself with the habitués of this estimable Forum, make that mistake.

As for the legality of who carried out school corporal punishments, I think you will find that very few local authorities ever made any stipulation as to the sex of the person carrying out the punishment. When I was at school (Notts, late 1940s to 1960) it was certainly not unknown for male teachers to beat female pupils. The converse was of course extremely common!

There was never a time when it was illegal for males to punish female pupils with CP.
It was sometimes a rule of some of the Local Education Authouritys that there were limits to the punishment or the impliment used, but never a legal requirement.
To avoid any implication of "wrong doing" some school did have a F/F or M/M policy.
All a bit strange because there were many female teachers who were sexually turned on by punishing their own sex group. IE in particular gym misstress' ( wandering apostrophy )

I finished my secondary schooling in 1989 at an all girls school in the UK.
Most cp was quite mild, smacked legs, bottom, some slippering etc. I had a few male teachers but there is no way any would even contemplate using cp on a girl. I do not care what anybody says, it just did not happen.

As for having a go at the gym mistress, very unfair. Admittedly most were very strict and would slap the back of your thighs from here to next week. But that was the disciplinary style in those days. To suggest the innuendo that you intimated is not on. Most girls got on very well with the gym mistresses, I know I did. They were great fun. If you played up you deserved a seeing to.
Please do not make any more references like that. It upsets a lot of people.

Heidi as someone mentioned on another thread, because they did not witness something ie a world war, that does not mean it did not happen. There were 100K+ schools in Brit.
As for gym mistress's two abridged accounts follow from ladies I knew very well.
Public school late 1980s, gym mistress would slipper girls ad hoc during gym lessons.
State school late 70s gym mistress would give BB slipperings in her office for all outside to hear and fear!
My own school mid 60s obviously lezzy gym misstress slippered girls ad hoc during gym lessons.

Well put Mimi. If Heidi doesn't want to hear the truth she should go somewhere else. Except of course that like most of the rest of them 'she' is a male wind-up merchant.

Just because a gym mistress slippered girls means nothing. In those days that type of discipline was very common. Teachers did not slipper girls for no reason. They must have been playing up. As for Lurker putting in his 2p worth, that is about all his opinion is worth. He would not know if a tram was up him until the conductor rang the bell.

I agree with EM. Mimi is way out of line with comments like that. Our gym mistress would sometimes put a girl over her lap in the change room and smack them across the bottom. Or sometimes lift the back of their gym shorts and smack their upper thighs. I can assure you that she was not an expatriate from the Isle of Lesbos. She had a boyfriend who was also a teacher at our school and he was very good looking and attractive man. To suggest that there is some kind of a connection between discipline and other motives in 99% of cases is ridiculous and insulting. There is no need to post comments like that on this forum. There are plenty of other forums where that kind of nonsense will be tolerated. I was very friendly with our gym teacher after I left school and she was an exemplary individual. Please do not pass on anecdotal stories that have no basis in truth.

Oh dear, getting a bit irate at being officially labelled a Fun Poster by the Forum Management are we EM? Or is it just that my American friends are telling the truth when they say all the crazies live in California?

Never mind, I shan't be bothering you for too long. In a few weeks you'll have got fed up with fun posting here and moved on to infest another forum. Meantime, have a nice day!

I will pass your comments on to Governor Schwartzenegger. I know he will be very impressed.

I agree with the other girls. Trying to equate cp with certain other traits is very unfair. While I am the first to agree that most gym mistresses were not backward in coming forward when it came to discipline, so what. This means nothing. To suggest otherwise is too ridiculous to contemplate.

Just because for comedic purposes some movies and TV shows have depicted the gym mistress as being the stereotype refugee from the Island of Lesbos is no reason to label all gym mistresses as being of such character. These depictions are only done to get cheap laughs. If Mimi's rather flimsy anecdotal stories from the Bronze Age are to be believed then it would still prove nothing. If some very naughty girls had to bend over for some well deserved attitude adjustment from Miss, well so be it. There are no ulterior motives behind a simple bb thrashing. I believe in those days it was par for the course. Our gym mistress used to bend girls over for a good old fashioned smacked bottom and I can assure you that she was as straight as a locomotive. I think it is high time some people booked in for an overdue reality check.

The gym mistress in my school was a lesbian.
The gym mistress at my old friends school who whacked in the privacy of her office was also a lesbian.
These are facts. The girls confirmed this to the writer.
There is nothing wrong with being a lesbian as long as they do not use children as a means of enjoying their own personal sexual tastes.
In the same vein there is nothing wrong with being a male homosexual as long as they do not use children as a means of enjoying their own personal sexual tastes.
There were certain male teachers in my schools who seemed to drool and go all peculiar when punishing a boy. These ones never seemed to want to punish girls. how queer?

Well I am just as adamant that the gym mistress at my school was not one of those. And I sincerely believe that 99% of all gym teachers were as straight as the proverbial locomotive. Is there any proof that those gym teachers that you are speaking of did anything other than smack those girls which was very normal, according even to you, during that time?

EM, call me a cynic if you will, but somehow I doubt that you know your State Govenor well enough to discuss your participation in a School CP forum with him, especially when you can't even spell his name correctly! It's Schwarzenegger not Schwartzenegger. Have a nice day!

Seeing as it is reckoned that 10% of humans are homosexual then it not unreasonable to think that 10% of gym misstress' might be homosexual.
I only know of two out of thousands.

When I played college basketball in the US, our coach (female) would always come into the change rooms while we were showering to give us a hug and a kiss and the odd playful slap across the bottom. Are you accusing her of holding dual citizenship?

Mimi, You mentioned girls in your school and a public school who were
slippered by the Gym Mistress during lessons, were they slippered for
misdemeanours done during the gym lesson? Or were they sent by another
teacher to be punished by the Gym Mistress?
The girls I know who were slippered at school received it from the
Headmistress and they all were made to wait until it was convenient.

All the said Headmistresses kept their own slipper a plimsoll, except
the Headmistress who gave my wife the slipper and she told me that
was a mule, from my wife's description though it was more like a pump.
I expect a Gym Mistress wouldn't need to keep a slipper, she would
have one with her at most times.

Mimi, just for the record my wife thought her Headmistress was also
a lesbian too.

Our gym mistress did not need a slipper. She did just fine with an open hand.

Most games mistresses I encountered were equally adept at both. Our senior games mistress used the open hand for public smackings but the slipper in her office, or the change room. Either way it was no picnic, I can assure you of that. However she was not an expat from the Greek Isles. So lets not go there.

Before this topic gets totally out of control I think I must clarify the situation. The statements below are self evident and cannot be disputed.

1. Most gym mistresses were very proactive when it came to discipline.

2. The overwhelmimg majority of gym mistresses were young, enthusiastic
and dedicated teachers of exceptional character.

3. Most girls enjoyed sport and p.e. and got on extremely well with their
gym teachers.

4. Any suggestion that discipline was used for ay other purpose but to
improve behavior is absurd.

5. Anecdotal third party stories that cannot be verified are not helpful
and tend to tarnish the reputation of really excellent teachers. They
should not be published.

There is no more to be said on this subject. Case closed.

Paul, as far as I am aware it was only given for misbehaviour during gym lessons.
Celine, the forums owners decide what is printable here not you, case closed.

Here is one thing that is self-evident: that Celine does not understand the meaning of the phrase "self-evident". None of the five assertions made in the post above is self-evident. They might or might not be true; but that is a different matter entirely, and requires additional evidence beyond the statements themselves.

Celine, the forum owners decide what is printable here not you, case closed.

Well said, Mimi. I feel that your very apt observation above should be printed in large red letters for the benefit of Celine/Asquith and all the rest of the current batch of fun posters with their 'case closed' and 'anyone who doubts this should take a reality check'. So I've done just that.

Come on Alan Turing, if you've been following their postings you must know that you're wasting your time trying to instill formal logic into any of our current batch of fun posters, especially Celine/Asquith. And whatever has happened to poor Abbey, I think we should be told!

Well I think it all boils down to computable or non-computable proofs calculated on finite or infinite machines all regressing to a zero-sum outcome. And as for Abbey, to my certain knowledge (and as a matter of public record [of course ]) she became increasingly subject to dissolution (initially acute but became chronic)and was eventually completely taken over and carried off by Satan..der(sic,dear). What WOULD they have said in Wembley!?

(Alan Turing of course was famous for the completely illogical situation where he was a crucial agent in saving hundreds of thousands of individuals from certain death and the whole of the UK from life under a crushing and violently aggressive regime but was unable to save himself from himself.)

Celine, some gym mistresses are excellent, some are abysmal.
Some girls enjoy PE, some don't.
Where did you research the list you posted?
The male gym teacher's I came in contact with at school
were sadistic bastards. The gym teacher who slippered me
twice got more than enjoyment from it and I didn't care
because he's the one with the problem not me.

If the slipperings in my gym lessons were typical then the gym teacher must have slippered about 100+ times per day!
A most bullying short arsed welsh bastard with about as much idea as an ants egg.

Regular visitors to this estimable Forum will already be aware of this, but for the benefit of our current crop of fun posters we are deeply honoured.

Postings here by A_Lurkologist are extremely rare but invariably impart valuable information and give an insightful and deeply thought provoking view of events.

The extent of his discernment and wisdom can be judged by the fact that on his last visit, on 21 April 2008, he said that I reminded him of other historically illustrious contributors to this forum.

At least, I think that was his last visit, and I think it was me he meant!

Slippering in a gym lesson was quite rare at my school.
Most of the gym teacher's taught another subject and it
was usually in the class room when you were slippered,
strange as it may seem.

Aren't you folks lucky tonight, an absolute plethora of Another_Lurker postings! Well, I can tell you the reason, it's better than doing web sites for folks whose design brief consists of 'oh, you know the sort of thing I need'!

Anyway, to business, something on-topic, at least as regards this thread. The repeated denials by Celine and her cohorts of female fun posters that there ever was, at any time, anywhere, a gym mistress of alternative persuasion, put me in mind of our former contributor Treesortees. A UK Civil Servant, like our distinguished contributor Steve M, and originating, like me, from the Leen Valley, a famed UK beauty spot, she greatly enlivened the 'smacked legs' thread to be found here.

Treesortees was adamant that her Hockey mistress (a sort of outside gym mistress) was of alternative persuasion. She refers to this in her posting here. In a later posting here she describes visiting a Nottingham gay bar for a lark with friends whilst on a shopping expedition and encountering the mistress in question (who also taught French) ensconced with a female paramour.

In her postings Treesortees uses the written form of the ancient Leen valley dialect, and those of you not native to the UK may find this somewhat impenetrable. If so, a translation of the second posting, which I provided at the request of another contributor to the thread, is to be found here.

To conclude, as she is a UK Civil Servant and a former pupil of a very distinguished girls' school, the reliability and accuracy of these Treesortees postings is completely beyond reproach. There can be absolutely no question that some gym, hockey and French mistresses were of alternative persuasion and anyone who doubts this should take a reality check. There is no more to be said on this subject. Case closed.

Why are all the postings about gym mistresses very positive, and why has not a single female poster said anything negative (apart from the disciplinary aspect) about gym mistresses. I can only speak from my own experience and all my gym mistresses were great teachers.

I should like to echo Another_Lurker's remarks concerning the esteemed poster A_Lurkologist, and also add my own thanks to the latter for his kind words about my Machine. (This was, incidentally, finite, though it had access to an indefinitely-long paper tape upon which the intermediate results could be recorded. Those were the days!)

But I'd like to query the need for Another_Lurker's concern regarding the feasibility of training our younger posters in the intricacies of formal logic. While a good knowledge of the first-order predicate calculus is surely helpful, this was not the subject of my complaint. I was, rather, observing that one of our posters was unaware of the meaning of a particular hyphenated word -- a matter for the dictionary, rather than the logic text.

Once again I am happy to defer to my distinguished fellow contributor, Alan Turing, whose contributions to the field which brought me a very satisfactory income for many years were considerable.

If indeed he was only concerned with semantics in questioning the ramblings of our young fun posters then so be it. For myself I have deeper concerns, though I am happy to note that most of them are resident outside the UK. I shall not therefore be dependent on them to attain a sufficient level of intelligence to keep the UK going and provide a suitable environment for me in my old age!

Another_Lurker's contribution to logical thinking is equivalent to Quasimodo's contribution to posture.

And, as Dr Johnson ALMOST said:-

"Sir, a woman's using logic is like a dog's walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all."


Another_Lurker was too polite to state this.


Steve M

What Dr Johnson actually said about women's logic was this:

"To endeavour to dissect female logic is like trying to fit wheels to a tomato: time-consuming and completely pointless."

As pointless as some of the postings from a lot of the cynical hardliners that think they own this forum?

Ah, attention spans really have decayed over the decade. Not wanting to play the Bill Sykes on this (well known, but fictional, cynical hardliner)I would simply draw attention to the number of angels attracted like moths to the flame of the thread subject and the fact they are desperately seeking to establish the presence or otherwise of a well-known pin to dance around rather than on the head of. Its all on subject, just that the subject is not visible, as cryptoanalysis of prior contributions clearly establishes.

My dear old mum allways told me that girls were the same as boys. I went alomg with this and the result was disapointment. The female of the specis wants Chocolate, vino and submissive sex in that order. Just my observations.

Celine, Your're correct you can only speak of your own experiences,
or of people you know that are truthful giving you their experiences.

Quite right. I enjoyed playing sport at school as did most of my class mates. I admit the gym teachers could be strict, but so what? They all treated me fairly although some overdid the cp. That did not worry me, because if you did not play up you did not get smacked. It was as simple as that. You did not have to be very athletic to enjoy sport. It was about participation. Most gym teachers were quite young and you could joke with them. Why try to search for ulterior motives when they are not there? There is no value in being a cynic. After I left school, if I met any of my former teachers it was always a big hug and a smile. There are no hard feelings over discipline that happened years ago. Get real!

The reason why a lot of girls liked sport was because it gave them the opportunity to get out of the classroom and enjoy some relative freedom for a while. I had no problems with my Gym mistress. She might have been a bit strict but was a very good athletics coach. I do not like to brag, but I won gold medals in both the 100m and 200m sprint at state level when I was about 17 and in my senior year at school. She knew how to get the best out of the girls. I admit that these days there would be a few raised eyebrows about her disciplinary methods, but who cares. She helped me to succeed.

Congratulations Gemma. You message is one of the most compelling and articulate postings I have read on this subject. If I might take a few liberties and summarise in the form of a self evident truism:

enthusiastic young athlete + dedicated gym mistress = success

I think even the most hardened cynic would not be petty enough to withhold their good wishes and hope you enjoy the success you deserve. It would alse be remiss of me not to reach out to all those thousands of hardworking and devoted gym mistresses past and present, without whose dedication and resolve this would be a very bleak and thankless world.
Three hearty cheers for the gym mistress: Hooray! Hooray! Hooray!

Oh dear, Heidi, you still haven't got the message.

"enthusiastic young athlete + dedicated gym mistress = success"

can't be self-evident, because it isn't even true! Consider, for instance, the case of zero talent. Even adding on enthusiasm and dedication by a trainer, you won't achieve success.

The whole idea of PT & PE is to help make pupils healthy and develop an interest in physical activities.
It is not so that a teacher can indulge their own personal ideas on the so called talented few.
It is to educate all to the best of their ability.
Because of a succesion of useless gym teachers who could only indulge their football/rugby fantasies, fat lads like me got nowhere.
It was only upon leaving school that I could discover my potentials.
From a kid who could not run 50 yards I self taught myself long distance running and discovered the delights of fencing, riding, golf etc. Subjects that were not even in our school inhibited imaginations.
Judging by the physical state of most youth today, nothing has changed.

MIMI

I wouldn't take these present bunch of dingbat posters too seriously, mate.

The chances of simultaneous strict Scottish schools for girls producin'smacking-but-fair-non-lesbian gym mistresses is about as much as we Ozs decidin' to invade America tomorrow! Not that it's Barack puttin' us off-it's just that flamin' economy of theirs!

And the chances of the girls then being exported to Germany, USA etc and just happening to meet up on our forum? About as likely as Shane Warne becoming Pope-chances of which, for a smokin',drinkin',shaggin'non-German Anglican is, as Elvis Costello once sang, less than zero!

If youse ask me, the present shower are probably russkies whose bought up e-mail domains in several countries and they'se now after sucking out the e-mail addresses of us lot. Or, given the huggy stuff, theyse could just be New-Age Christians like the fuckin moonies!

But they ain't worth a minute of mine or your time, Mimi. Nor that of some other esteemed gents like Another_Lurker,Alan Turing and Steve M.

Maybe we'se in need of a program that posts their stuff into special threads automatically-or maybe we should pass the hat round & let them buy their own forum, where they can post about smiling gym mistresses for eternity or until they disappear up their own anuses,whichever is the quicker?

I'll start the fund off now, or rather I will when my show hits London!


DS BOB

The instrument has not been invented that can register my indifference to your remarks.

Newsflash:

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Most Vatican insiders believe that this signals an insider plot by certain secret groups in Rome to fast track Warne to the papacy. If true, Shane Warne would be the first Australian leg spinner to be appointed to such a high office. Sources close to Warne refuse to confirm or deny these reports. Prime minister Rudd is also refusing to comment, while opposition leader Malcolm Turnbull dismisses these rumors as ridiculous. We will bring you further developments as they come to hand.

What is a Shane Warne?

Our games mistress was one of the few teachers who did not use cp of any kind.

One of the residents of our Condominium, Abbey the moocher, also made that claim to me privately in the past, but I found out from various sources that this simply was not true. However I am not doubting your story. Thankfully young Asquith finally got up enough backbone to ban Abbey from our apartment, so she will not be sneaking in anymore to use the computer. Even though she is originally from the UK, because of her age, I doubt if a lot of her accounts really happened to her. She is probably relating stories told to her by some of her older friends. I was very surprised to hear any girl was tawsed in the UK as late as the 1907s, but accept your story. But you say that this was quite unusual, so this should silence some of the critics for a while.

Thankfully young Asquith finally got up enough backbone to ban Abbey from our apartment, so she will not be sneaking in anymore to use the computer.

           Abbey
           Asquith
           Celine
           Carlita
           Esmerelda

One down, four to go!

A gym mistress who did not use c.p? I think a few ducks wearing bovver boots are about to be taken into custody.

Shane Warne is a very well known politician from Ireland.

Actually I think Shane Warne is an Australian cardinal who presides over a rather modest congregation in Albany, Western Australia.

At my school all slippering was done privately by the senior mistress.
The only other teacher that used the slipper was the gym mistress, but also privately.

That was pretty much the case at my school.

Who r these silly cows?

any of em go to a real f***ing school, ever-bloody nonsense.


Soooze

Well said, soooze! Exactly what I'd like to have posted myself, had I known how to deploy my asterisks so as not to attract the attention of Larry1951!

Our gym mistress never needed a slipper to settle anybody down. She was a great teacher. A wee bit strict, but if you do not like the heat, then stay out of the kitchen.

Most gym mistresses were a bit strict, but they had to be because in those days there were quite large classes. Our gym mistress was great fun, always cracking jokes. She was very popular. I got on extremely well with her. All the girls behaved quite well in her classes.

The slipper is a very valuable tool when it comes to corporal punishment, and used correctly can be a very painful one, not that far behind the cane actually.

Paul
SF&R: sfrsite.topcities.com

I agree that the slipper can be quite effective, but in most cases not really necessary. At my school the slipper was not used in the classroom but only privately, mainly by the senior mistress. Most classroom teachers did not need any implement to control the class. Admittedly it was a girls school, and generally speaking most girls were and are still very well behaved.

I think that the slipper was being phased out by about 1990. I cannot remember any girl being slippered at my school (private) after that.

I agree with Esmerelda.It was not really required since a trip to the front desk was usually sufficient to settle most girls down. It would be interesting to hear from any girl who claims she was slippered after 1990.

I was slippered by the senior mistress in 1992 for skipping sport.

All you girls that received the slipper did the gym mistress,
Headmistress or senior mistress ask you a question before they
slippered you? Or before they told you of your fate?

There were reports in Friends Reunited ( now removed )of girls being slippered in the 90s at the famous Rodney school. Lots of girls were caned there as I am sure we all know.

Length Warning! This is a typical traditional Another_Lurker posting! If you're interested, read to the end, of you're not, don't bother and please don't complain! As Mimi notes, the Rodney School at Kirklington, Nottinghamshire, was famous for the extent to which it used CP on both boys and girls. Indeed, it may well have been the last school in the UK to cane girls. The school is now closed, but wherever you find any comments by its ex-pupils the cane is almost sure to feature.

I was not participating in this Forum the last time there was extensive discussion of the Rodney School, and have therefore not made this confession before. But for the sound common sense of my parents I might well have found myself a pupil at the Rodney school!

An elderly, and comparatively affluent, family friend was acquainted with Ms Joan Thomas, the founder of the school, and shortly before I took the 11 plus examination offered to pay half my fees there if my parents would pay the other half. In retrospect, I realise it was a 'drumming up trade' job, as the school, despite being founded in 1944, doesn't seem to have taken off like a rocket. Although the school was only a relatively few miles away lack of public transport would have meant boarding. I wasn't at all keen, and happily my parents decided against it as there was a good chance I'd get a free choice of excellent local school via the 11 plus.

Had I gone there I should almost certainly have had a much closer acquaintance with CP than was actually the case. In those days (1954) it was apparently virtually impossible to get through the school without being caned, a fate that in the event I happily avoided throughout my school career. The redoubtable Ms Thomas, though no longer head of the school, was still caning girl pupils as late as the 1990s, though by then she had delegated the caning of boys to the headmaster.

The school was founded in 1944, so goodness knows what age Ms Thomas was by the 1990s! Infirmity of the caning arm may well have dictated the apparently rather excessive number of strokes she administered in a well publicised incident early in that era. One girl was reputedly given 12 strokes, 4 on the hands and 8 on the bottom, though some accounts give slightly different figures.

The incident is documented on the SF&R site here, second item down, and a subsidiary article with photographs is here. There are also various references on the Corpun.com site. Sadly none of these include the press cuttings which were on the web at one time, or if they do I can't find them.

Having an interest in the school and, yes, alright I admit it, the subject matter, I have various bits of stuff collected over the years. The following item must, I think, have come from a US site, given that the school fees are in dollars. It doesn't seem to be on the web now, and to my shame I have not kept a note of where it came from. My sincere apologies if anyone recognises it and claims ownership. Much of what it says can be verified from authoritative sources, but some of it, though believable to anyone who has read much about the school, may raise a few eyebrows, especially those of some of our fun posters!


There have been several examples of corporal punishment actually being chosen by schoolgirls in England over some other form of non-corporal sanction. The Rodney School in Nottinghamshire is a $6,500 per year co-educational boarding school where a high proportion of the school's pupils are drawn from armed services families overseas. Before the ban, about thirty or so canings a year were given either by the Headmaster who caned the boys or by Miss Joan Thomas who caned the girls.

The school always maintained something of an open book on their policy of corporal punishment, Miss Thomas discussing it with reporters on several occasions and some girls who had actually been caned by her were permitted to speak to the press on the subject. On one occasion Miss Thomas was photographed at the school, posing for a picture with four girls whom she had caned. The school cane was also photographed in her study and the picture was reproduced in The Independent in June of 1992. It showed the traditional curved handle and was 36 inches long and 1/4 inch in diameter.

Speaking to the London Evening Standard in February 1991, Miss Thomas said, "I cane the girls and I usually give two strokes. We think it's right to treat the sexes alike". When punishment was merited, pupils - or sometimes their parents - were allowed to choose between caning and a non-corporal punishment such as suspension. Said 16 year-old Adele Kirkman, "I had the choice of being gated (grounded) for three weekends and writing an essay or getting the cane. I just decided that the cane would be quicker". Adele received six strokes of the cane on her bottom while covered with one layer of clothing, a pair of thin white cotton P.E. shorts, and commented, "The shorts are about as thin as rice-paper. The idea is to make it sting and it works. If you have done something wrong, you should be punished for it"

A case of caning at the school was reported in the National Press in March of 1992. Five 14 year-old girls were found in the boys' dormitory at night. Their parents were contacted and given the choice of allowing their daughters to be expelled or severely caned. All of the parents opted for caning, and so on the day after the incident, all five girls changed into the Rodney School indoor P.E. strip of burgundy vest and white cotton shorts, with nothing to be worn under the thin shorts, and reported to Miss Thomas's study for their punishments.

The girls were caned both on their hands and their bottoms. Nicola Whitely, who received two strokes on each hand and four on her bottom commented, "I had to agree that I had been in the wrong. I deserved the caning". The girl who admitted to being the ringleader, Joanne Gilmore, was given the most severe punishment. She received two strokes on each hand and then had to bend over Miss Thomas's desk for eight strokes across the seat of her cotton shorts. Joanne's comments afterwards seemed to show no ill will towards the school or to Miss Thomas. "Miss Thomas was just doing her job. Twelve strokes took a long time and I thought it would never be over with, but it is now thank goodness. I admitted what I had done in planning what happened and I felt sorry that I had helped get the other girls caned. It hurt, it still does a bit, but I can't deny that I deserved what I got. Now it's in the past and I can get on with school. The Rodney School is a great school, and it's even better if you can stay out of trouble and keep the rules".

When a girl was slippered on her bottom by a female teacher of
any rank, she was asked if she was having a period?
I don't know if this was the procedure when a girl was caned.

Not one of the female poster's who claim they were slippered
have ever mentioned this.

Hi Paul B. A delicate topic, and probably not one on which extensive elucidation is likely to be offered by any female posting her experiences here. I have seen mention of this elsewhere and an Honorary Life Member of this estimable Forum, Halfpenny, mentions being asked this question before both her canings, accounts of which she very graciously reposted in the get real girls were never spanked thread on October 10 this year.

The two accounts concerned are to be found here and here. These are very well written and lengthy accounts and need a little time to absorb, but in both cases although the caning was conducted by the headmaster a female teacher first asked the relevant question, just as you describe.

The reasons for this procedure are perhaps self evident, but if you download (or view directly if your browser so permits)the PDF file linked here you will find, under the heading Corporal Punishment - A plea for the exemption of girls a British Medical Journal article from December 1934 in which a Mr? R L Kitching requests the Medical Department of the Board of Education to ban the caning of girls either totally or, if a total ban was not possible, to limit it to girls aged between 8 and 10. As part of his case to support this request he discusses the implications of the issue in question.

There are three more PDFs of BMJs from the same perion which continue the discussion of caning girls. In the very unlikely event that anyone is interested I will track down and post the links.

Before anyone asks, perion is of course the ancient Leen Valley dialect word for period, and no I don't understand how it's possible to hit the 'n' when aiming for the 'd'!