This question whether girls were caned/slippered on the bottom by male teachers is becoming tiresome, mostly because the debate is conducted by people whose opinions are dictated by wishful thinking. The fantasists are disposed to believe anything, however ridiculous, while the self-appointed vigilantes are disposed to believe nothing, however plausible. The truth as always lies between these extremes.

Here are some examples culled from Friends Re-united, which involve men hitting girls on their bottoms, mostly with slippers, sometimes with other things, but not (so far as one can tell) with canes.

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Aldercar, Nottingham

Carole Fretwell - 1967

Tom Millington`s Slipper - Does anyone remember Tom
Millington (the Art & Craft Teacher) and his famous slipper - size 13? Do any of your bottoms remember receiving the famous slipper?.... memories!!!
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Alderny County Middle, Poole

Michelle Trevett - 1980
Mr Jones - Probably the most feared teacher in school! was in his class and when you got to know him he was really very nice. used to take maths and science, and to make us better at mental arithmatic he gave us the slipper for every question we got wrong!
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Alderman White, Nottingham

Julie Sharp - 1977
Mr Lee (Carrots) - Red hair, hense the name carrots. Maths teacher who could be quite a hard man. I was only given the slipper once and he was the one to do it. Yes it did hurt!!!
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Arthur Mellows Village College, Peterborough

Mandy Smith - 1974
Mr Stowell-Smith - Does anyone remember getting that knotched blank accross their bum?

Trevor Goodliff - 1974
Mr. Stowell-Smith - Mandy, in 1972, that "board" was part of the crate that a new Kettle drum was delivered in. Having placed it aside for future disciplinary action, one of my class mates (Tiller) foolishly stated the obvious "I bet that would hurt sir!" Well Stowell-Smith being the man he was, christened the plank on Tiller's bum, Forever being called the "Tiller Stick"

Hillary Parkes - 1974
Mr. Stowell-Smith - He used to come into the Music Room and open the windows, shouting 'stinking peasants'. Remember the big cupboard where he took the 'victim' to whack them?
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Avenue Comprehensive, Co Durham

Yvonne Duff - 1977
Mr Brack - Who could forget him? I remember all the class getting the getting the dreaded X sandshoe. Printed on my backside three times cause I moved twice.

Gillian Dunn - 1979
Mr Brac - Yes I remember Mr Brac with his sandshoe and all the kids walking round with a big chalk X on their backsides! Had some fun in his classes.

Lorraine Elliott - 1981
Mr. Brac - Who remembers the art teacher with the HUGE SANDSHOE if you forgot your homework?
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Belmont, Stockport

Christine Feast - 1969

Mr Newton - games teacher, weapon used (percy stinger) Ouch. Did anyone taste the bitter end of percy stinger? I did, for smoking of course. Well Mr Newton, you didn`t do it hard enough, I still smoke.
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Brinnington, Stockport

Julia Newell - 1983
Mr Lester - Does anyone remember Mr Lester the maths teacher and his plimsoll companion Henry? I met him a few times when my homework was late, but not as often as Sara Slater or Jo Flood. Still a great teacher though.
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Bexhill High, Sussex

Linda Burke - 1980
Mr Rye - I had a great time in Fred's library, he was firm but fair. I wonder if he still has the "black prince" his black plimsoll which stung like....
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Blackthorn County, Lancashire

Debra O`Connor - 1985
Mr Hardman - Art teacher. I remember he used to keep a size 10 black pump in his desk drawer just in case it was needed! We didnt mess with Hardman.
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Bridgewater, Manchester

Dawn Lonergan - 1979
Mr Rudge - The headmaster who most resembled Professor Yaffel from Bagpuss, the gaunt Mr Rudge left Bridgewater around 1980'ish. Taught us a wide range of subjects, from what I can remember, however I best remember him for his obsession with the novel The Silver Chair, his cane (ooer missus!) and the phrase 'time is of the essence!' I spent many a terrifying hour being spanked in his office!
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Broadway, Chesire

Amanda Dunsford - 1981
Cloughie - Choose which slipper you want !! The size 11 (medium in stature) The plimsole size 7 (very thin but stung like hell) or the Monkey Boot with a very deep tread (probably a size 9). On top of that he would chalk it up for you so everyone in school would see that you got it!! preference for the size 11 - he couldnt really get a good swing out of that , although he tried - I,m sure he enjoyed it. Karl Harrison (Harry - Richard Frazer`s best mate).
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Beauchamps High School, Essex

Janet Reece - 1969
Mr Woolnough - Oh how I remember those Maths classes. I was always bottom of the class and always got picked on. The final straw came one day when I was trying to get John Hood to give me the answer to a question that I couldn't answer and because I got it wrong I had to go out the front where "Hertz" the great white slipper was whacked across my backside. Who said girls never got the slipper?
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Brook Secondary, Loughton, Essex

Catherine Quaife - 1972
Mr Lewis and his size 9 white plimpsoll for whacking you.
Teachers - Were they ever totally in control? it always seemed to me that the slipper from Mr lewis (Science) the chalk board rubber from Mr Mansfield (Maths) and the evil eye of Miss Sorrel (Deputy Head) didn`t do too much harm. But did it keep us in line?
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Cronton CofE Primary, Chesire

Louise Jennings - 1982
Mr Rowley - I never forget the slipper for being accused of pulling twigs from Mr Cowans bush (oe-er) which I didn't.
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Crompton House, Oldham

Louise Bridges - 1982
Mr Holden - history,lovely man.unless u was naughty then u got the pump!!
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Caldew, Carlisle

Heather Harrison - 1969
Bob Treasure - Does anyone have this claim to fame? being walloped on the backside with Mr Treasure`s cuddy walloper which was a wooden bat, then your name was written on the bat when punishment had been administered, Mr Eland sanded the bat down after every term ready for the new term. The boys were always hit much harder than the girls!!!
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Chalvedon, Essex

Wendy Lomas - 1972
Form 1A - Anyone remember Mr Lloyd? on our very first day he he got a "dap" as he called it (a plimsoll to the rest of us) and wrote punishment on the bottom with chalk. He then told us that if we misbehaved he would hit us with it until all the chalk rubbed off. We were the best behaved class in the year after that.
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Cockburn High, Leeds

Rebecca Spark - 1956
Mr Les Williams - PT Teacher who played at centre for Hunslet RLFC at Parkside. Anyone remember the trek back to school from Joseph Street Baths. On one occasion after being late back a large number of us were banned from swimming the following week but still had to attend the baths. Because we ran back to school we were all given "the slipper". I should imagine that his arm ached after dealing with so many pupils!
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Deansfield High, Wolverhampton

Janet Roberts - 1975
Mr Lindley - Does anyone remember him in the Library with his black pump that he used instead of the cane? This may seem odd but I think he taught a lot of people respect for their elders with that pump.
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English Martyrs RC, Bolton

June Morris - 1972
My Memories - Flossy with her gold tooth, never sure whether to wear her glasses or not, she used to put the fear of god in me. Mr Mitchell, tyrant if ever there was one. Mr Mercer, I have been on the receiving end of his slipper, probably because I was caught smoking in the alcove. Mr Boone fantastic music teacher, I just loved the Jesus sandles. Sister Edna the cookery gourmet. Mr Graham and Miss Butler, word had it there was something going on between those two.
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Eastbrook, London

Eunice Taylor - 1975
Fairs - Does anyone remember Mr Fairs and his large range of PE slippers for those who had misbehaved? He had them in size order.
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Greenwell, Gateshead

Karen Bowen - 1975
Mr Colvin - In spite of his gentle nature, he had a special punishment for anyone coming to Maths without all the necessary equipment (slide rule, protractor etc.). One person was assigned to chalk a cross on your bottom, while he had the pleasure of belting you there with the blackboard ruler. This was a surprisingly popular punishment - the line to get belted got longer every lesson!!
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Hurworth School, Darlington

Anne Richardson - 1979
Mr Hart (Maths) - Oh Yes I recall a large hand pulling me over the desk and smacking my bum with a ruler (wow that hurt) but he was a great teacher, if you got him talking about something he liked you could get out of working all lesson.
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Harris CofE, Warwick

Julie Anderson - 1985
Whacker - Lynne I think I got my name on that pump first day I remember, what a man!

Lynn Cairney - 1986
Woody Whacker - Woody Whacker used to whack the famous slipper on his desk. I hated history but loved his lessons for the pure entertainement!
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Harold Hill Grammar, Havering

Vivien Whittles - 1962
Mr Armstrong - Oh yes, I remember him! He once hit me with the slipper for staying in the school during break and not going out into the freezing playground. I was in the Sixth Form at the time!
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Herbert Kay High, Warwick

Debbie Hart - 1980
Mike Ford - Super bloke who bounced at weekends. Gave me 100% in my chemistry exam in the third year, now an estate agent in North Wales. Bob Cooper and Ged Harvey could both slipper for England.
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Hodgson County, Poulton-le-Fylde

Debbie Banister - 1980
Mr.Parkinson - Can anybody remember him calling all the girls "Curly" and if you got a question wrong he would hit you on the bum with this enormous plastic ruler?
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Heywood Community High, Heywood

Diane Lynch - 1975
Mr Lee - Taught maths, the most frightening teacher in school, used to make you resite any of your tables from 2 to 12, just picked on you as soon as he entered lesson. If you were late with homework or caught messing about you had to pick between 1 hour detention or the famous slipper with his trusty plimsole.
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Handcross Park Prep, East Sussex

Ann Whitmore - 1976
The Whacks - No one knew what suffering really was until they had to walk from the girl's changing room to the recreation room for a weekly bout of ballet (an anagram of hell) in the most twee of leotards with a little frilly skirt. De rigueur if you were a wraith, but not if you were any fatter than a beanpole. Anyway, Kim (Hi, Kim, if you are reading this) and I cut the skirts off our leotards. Within hours we were summoned to JD's office and the immortal and bloodcurdling words, 'I'm afraid I'm going to have to....,' sent shivers down our spines. Four whacks later, we were out and free - oh and our leotards were still minus their skirts.....

Kiira Roberts - 1978
The Whacks - There were 2 occasions when I got the dreaded "whacks" - one was for visiting the boys annexe with 4 other girls. We went to wake up Tim Fisher to see if he wanted to come for a midnight walk but also woke up the Head Boy by mistake! (Dodd - can't remember his first name) who told us to go back to our dorm. We thought we had got away with it until the next morning when we walked into chapel and saw all our muddy footprints going up the red carpet from the night before - then Moggs called all our names out at the end to see him in his office. We all got 7 of the best each - ouch! The other time was for going down to the domestic science room and raiding the fridge in the middle of the night. Again, we thought we had got away with it until our names were read out in chapel and Moggs presented us with an envelope of food crumbs which had formed a trail from our dorm to the domestic science room! (3 whacks each that time) happy days...!
It's funny now that when you tell people you were whacked at school they are shocked that such things were allowed to happen!

Joanna Coulter - 1985
The Whacks - I was one of those who got the Whacks with Kiira Roberts (and Sarah Cotton, amongst others) on both occasions. However, I remember that I was going to visit Mark Simpson, and that we got caught not only by Ben Dodd, but also because we left our black gymshoes by the alter in the chapel (with our names written all over them of course) because the door locked behind us and we couldn't get back out that way. But it was so exciting going on our mission, jumping out of the rec room window and racing across the grass in the middle of the night. Worth getting the whacks for I reckon. I could go on for hours, I had such a great time at Handcross.
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Kilmorie, Lewisham London

Joan Peopall - 1950
Mr Franklin and Miss johns - I was at the school in the late 40's early 50's and they were there then. Yes Miss Johns was a big lady but very kind. Mr Franklin and the infamous plimsoll was just the same then. Miss Johns tried to teach us French to no avail.

Patricia Adams - 1963
Mr Franklin - I remember Mr Franklin, and Mr Rose, who used the plimsoll very often, and was a dab hand at throwing the chalk. Mr Hill was the Head.
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Knaresborough Secondary Modern, Yorkshire

Pauline Gratton - 1969
Mr Black (Metal work) - Nice guy, But did that plimsoll make you smart. Firm but fair!
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Marlborough Girls, London

Doris Jean Pearce
Does anyone remember Mr Osalberry? Went up three stairs and down one. Everybody used to walk behind him doing the same. Mr Major, liked to give the slipper to the girls. Used to say bend over the desk and then slippered us, well some of us, well usually me.
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Meadway, Reading

Shirley Hall - 1974
Mr Downs, Science Teacher - At least 7ft tall, Joe 90 specs and size 12 feet of which he kept a size 12 plimsole in his desk drawer for disciplinary measures. I once tossed it out of the upstairs window in the science dept whilst he was out of the room - as I was one of its recipients - someone grassed on me and he made me fetch it and then whacked my backside with it six times....ouch - the memory.

Shirley Hall Photo
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Moorland, Lancashire

Rosanne Ashworth - 1968
Mr Mather - Anyone remember being caught by Mr Mather for walking up the Front stairs - and then being caned for it?? Ouch!!

Jayne Ward - 1980
The Worklist - Remember the dreaded "Worklist" and lining up outside Mr "Rathead" Wilkie's office on a Monday lunch time - Quaking in your boots and waiting to see if you either were taken off the list or were to get THE PUMP!!!!

Helen Procter - 1981
Always in trouble - I too remember the "Worklist" I was on it most of my life at Moorlands I think! I hated "Rat head" he gave me the cane!
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Park High, Lancashire

Ann Merry - 1987
Mr Kitchen - Teacher of English and my form teacher for 2 years (4L and 5L). Wore shiny shoes, open neck shirts, flares and medallians...in the 80s!! Also took to wearing plasters on his neck, dont know why!! I remember him hitting me on the backside with a piece of wood (part of a desk). It had a chalked cross on it which ended up on my arse. Great teacher, good fun, but wouldn't take any hassle.
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Peckham Manor, Peckham, London

Sharon Gillespie - 1960
Mr Burrell was my form teacher from 1958-60. Remember him having a body like an upsidedown triangle, with a small head!!!! And he lived sports and was fond of winding you with the medicine ball! And took great joy in smacking your bum with your own plimsoll!
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Redbrook Middle, Lancashire

Valerie Greenhalgh - 1966
Mr Charnley - I got the "slipper" (plimsole actually) off Mr Charnley for supposedly putting graffiti on his beloved bench. IT WASN'T ME.
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Sharmans Cross, Solihull

Debra Arkwell - 1968
Bains - Remember how he used to bend you over his desk and make you face the class and humiliate you. If you heard the keys rattle you knew you were about to get whacked!
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South Chadderton, Oldham

Pamela Collier - 1978
Mrs Bennell - She was the domestic Science teacher, and one day she strapped me for throwing someone`s sponge cake across the room to my friend Lynne who dropped it.

Sherrly Ellis - 1980
Mr Borlam - The history teacher used the "pump" system. Would put your over the desk and ask "is there any reason I cannot pump you today" Then he promptly whacked the trainer against your bottom. He was a great teacher, and I gave him a lot of abuse. He deserved a medal!!
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St Anthony`s RC, Middlesbrough

Vivien Blenkinsop - 1969
Mr Murray - Geography Teacher - Occupied the room opposite to Mr. Borwells. Left the teaching profession to become a long distance lorry driver. Had a great crush on him. Loved Geography but not my best subject. Also had quite a love/hate relationship with this teacher. North/East/South or West was his favourite saying. We never knew which way our backside was going to be pointing for the slipper, and since I was not good at Geography, so it was never facing the right way. That was usually facing the class.
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Stanney County High, Chesire

Debbie Tucker - 1976
Cyril Evans - Head of Lower School - strict, usually the teacher who gave the Slipper to those who misbehaved.

Sandra Green - 1977
Cyril Evans - Took great delight in spanking me with a gym shoe in the middle of the school entrance hall for some misdemeanour or other.
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Spurley Hey High, Manchester

Amanda Turner - 1974
Lower School - I was in keller house and hated sport, that pe teacher was a real hard man, got the pump for forgeting my kit, wow it hurt. Remember the crazy wood work teacher who would launch anything he had in his hand if he caught you talking, he was in the new modern building and there was a lovely geog teacher on top floor. The lads always tried to see up her very short skirts as she went up, he he.
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St Wilfred`s, Rochdale

Suzanne Bene-Doszpoly - 1980
Mr Hill - The best teacher ever! Do you remember how popular M&S trainers where? I could never afford any. Mr Hill gave me M&S trainers though! six of the best in the storeroom, still love him. I have bumped into him recently at a restaurant, he was with Mrs Shore the home economics teacher, he looks exactly the same, dressed impeccably, he recognised me immediately.

Deborah Ward - 1981
Mr Hill & Mr McGill - Lessons with Trilly were certainly different. He used to DEMAND someone's pump from their foot to use on one's backside or palm of the hand! (Ouch!) He would then give you "six of the best" (if you were lucky). He has been known to physically wrench some poor kid's pump from their foot when they refused to offer it voluntarily. I remember when Heather Paul sat on her hands and refused point blank to suffer the agony of his punishments! Mr. McGill's methods of punishment were also memorable. The whole class used to have to line up and he would then whack each one on the bottom! It was hard to pass him by without getting a whiff of the night before's alcohol intake!! I haven't seen him in the wine lodge for years but friends have spotted him in other public houses!
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St Michael's Secondary School, Chelsea, London

Denise Wall - 1976
Mr Jones - Remember him and his slipper well. He used to run from one end of the classroom before administering the whack. But I believe he done it for our own good, although I would never admit that at the time.
Miss Surridge - I used to think she was such a witch. Especially on detention when she made me go around picking up pins from the floor. I wish I had followed her advice though. I also sampled the infamous Jonsey slipper (Yes girls used to get punished too).
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Shipston High, Warwick

Margaret Freeman - 1960
Percy Suader - Our first lesson with Mr Lewis should have been History, but instead he introduced us to "Percy Suader" the cricket bat he kept by his desk for dealing with bad behaviour!
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Spennymoor Grammar Technical School, Spennymoor

Anna Mitton
Navy blue knickers! How many of us were scarred for life? If caught without them on Games days (not literally) then a public flogging ensued.
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Suttons Secondary Modern, Hornchurch

Eileen Sleet - 1952
Mr Prince - Anyone misbehaving in Mr Prince's class would be put over his knee and hit with a plimsoll.
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Templehall, Fife Scotland

Elaine Seefeldt - 1970
Band (Science) - It wasn't the girls palms Bandy wanted to warm in punishment Gordon **g** We were told to bend over and got a whack across the backside....we learnt very quickly to walk along the corridor.....lol

Elaine Seefeldt Photo

[I checked this one out. She seems to be replying to a post by Gordon Higgins:- "Bandy - Oh yes - even the best schools with the best teachers and ethos have their hardmen - "I'll warm your palms" - I still cringe at the thought of these words."]
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Upbury Manor, Gillingham

Tina Brown - 1972
We had Mr Potts in 2nd yr (lucky us). I still remember him giving me the slipper like it was yesterday. I was in Mill house.
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Washington School, Washington, Tyne & Wear

Ingrid Middleton - 1984
Mr Grant - Now there was a man who seemed to thrive on corporal punishment. At every opportunity he could, he would use his favourite board ruler, write OUCH! backwards on it in chalk and whack any poor s*d who stepped out of line, leaving a perfect print of pain.
Mr Roughly - I remember him well. One day one lad got dragged out of r.e. for the slipper. Out into the corridor, by the ear of course. Our class could not resist the spectacle and rushed to watch through a tiny piece of glass in the door just to observe the poor guy`s agony. We all rushed back to our seats as if butter would melt only to be dragged back out into the corridor ourselves to be soundly whipped one by one at Mr Roughly’s pleasure. Needless to say we only ever listened after that.

Ingrid Middleton Photo
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Westbourne High, Suffolk

Dawn Adams - 1983
Various - Mr Martin the Geography teacher who liked administering 'Simon the Slipper' - generally in his office to girls, he used a ruler for punishment too but the name of it escapes me.
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I believe those examples pass the plausibility test. None of them contains any of that lascivious detail by which fantasist posters always give the game away. Nothing about raising of skirts or having to pull your knickers up your bum-crack, and such like. They simply relate the facts. They are also replete with real names, and in many cases gain confirmation from other posters. And finally a good number post their own photos.

There are plenty of posts mentioning the cane, some of which are included in the above selection, and plenty more that I didn't cull. Mostly those posts do not mention the part of the anatomy struck. Where they do mention it, it's always on the hand. The only example I could find of an outright mention of a caning on a girl's bottom is this one:-

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Bacons Mixed, London

Karen Baterip - 1974
Miss Paige/Mr Paddock - Miss Paige used to terrify me, she was the English teacher at Delaford Road, she was so strict I`m Sure she practiced caning lessons on the quiet, and did she hurt when that stick touched flesh. Mr Paddock was the drama teacher who used to clap his hands and say freeze.

Zoe Marshall - 1975
The Cane - Hi, I don`t suppose anybody remembers me but I have a question, I was caned by the Headmaster in 1973, can you tell me his name? I have forgotten it, and also I was caned on my bottom, I have often wondered if I am the only girl who was caned on the bum, it really hurt.

Janice Newland - 1977
Miss Milson - Domestic Science Teacher. Got caned by her on several occasions and she was always nice to you afterwards, talking to you about everything and all you wanted to do was run off and cry!!
The Cane - Everyone remembers the cane but do you remember the black bag it was in? Mr Ing kept his up his sleeve in that black gown he wore and during assembly when the teachers sat on the stage you could see it just poking out enough to give you a fright!

Tracey Burgess - 1978
Miss Paige - I remember Miss Paige quite well, got the cane by her many a time, and she hurt! my fingers would sting so bad, she would really put her heart and soul in it!

Linda O`Loughnane - 1978
(Message Board) The Cane - I had the cane in the 2nd or 3rd year by the needlework teacher - can't remember her name. It was on the hand 3 times. I believe it was for fighting.

Bacons School Photo 1974 / Bacons Girls 1978 / Linda O`Loughnane Photo 1990
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The fact that Ms Marshall asks if anyone else was caned on the bum tells us that she doesn't know of it happening to anyone else. And that tells us that it must have been a rare occurrence. So it would be fair to conclude that caning on the bum for girls, whether by males or females, was rare to non-existent, though obviously we have to accept those cases that actually made the newspapers, e.g. Janet Dines's victims, and the one-off cases like that of the girl in the Co. Durham school who was held down over a desk by a male and caned by a female. I also have a clear memory of a short TV programme made by STOPP in about 1978 (I think it was on the BBC2 series "Open Door"). In that programme they did re-enactments of caning where both boys and girls were seen bending over while a cane was symbolically (i.e. gently) applied to their bottoms. Presumably, then, STOPP thought it was happening to girls, and since that organization was made up of teachers, I suppose they should know. Still, you can't base conclusions on evidence you haven't got, just because you think someone else has it. And the fact is that FRU shows only one case amongst the hundreds of cp anecedotes.

But slipperings, or batterings on girls' bottoms with objects other than canes, were obviously rife, bordering on riotous. Frankly, I'm shocked. I've posted on another thread, revealing that I spent my formative years in British colonies in Africa. I can assure you that it wouldn't have happened there. I checked with my sister about five years ago, and she confirmed what I thought. Out there cp didn't exist for girls, hand or bottom. The worst that ever happened, she said, was that a nun would call you to the front of the class and hit you on the hand with a ruler - the flat, not the edge. It didn't actually hurt. It was just meant to humiliate. But even that could only happen up to the age of about ten. After that, any kind of physical punishment was out of the question.

But I am shocked not only at what was done to girls in the UK, but what was done to boys. In Kenya I suffered a certain amount of physical stuff from women up to the age of about ten or eleven. After that, any cp was a formal caning given by an authorised male caner. At my secondary school in Zimbabwe (1960s), a caning had to be by written order. Apart from that, there was nothing. No teacher could hit you, or pull you, or push you. They'd lose their job. When I hear of the improvised slipperings and whackings with random instruments, sometimes in front of onlookers, that both boys and girls suffered over here, I can only shake my head in disbelief.

Having said that, I have to admit that this is my favourite item from the FRU site:
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Ellesmere Park High, Manchester

Gayle Barlow - 1963
Miss Howarth - Was a maths teacher in the far demountable (next to Mr Pennington who taught "horticulture"). She was an ace delivering the slipper, she would stand the unfortunate pupil at the front by the blackboard. She then went to the back of the room in order to "get a good run up" with slipper in hand before making contact with the victim's bent over rear. I seem to remember someone called Alan Vale in my tutor group receiving the accurately delivered "blow".
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Had it been a man, I wouldn't have found it funny. It would have angered me. Of course, women's violence is still violence, and very degrading to the victims, but it's hard to think of women beating boys without seeing the comical side. And the image of Miss Howarth in skirt and blouse running the length of the room to land a resounding whack on that poor guy's bottom just has me on the floor. It's a gem.

This one isn't as funny, but still pretty good:-

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St George`s High, Blackpool

Jane Reddyhough - 1967
Mrs Siadek and Mr Knight - Does anyone remember the time that we got to watch a very informative television program in Miss Seddon`s room (schools programme I believe). It was play time after the programme and we all stayed in because it was wet. One bright spark, and I dont know who it was, decided to watch Bill and Ben the flowerpot men with little WEED! Mrs Siadek came into the room with her cane and put two boys (I dont know who they were) over the desks and caned them on the bum. I was horrified But more horrified to learn I was next in her office. The art of being caned was to drop your hand when the cane hit. Mrs Siadek had different ideas and held your hand underneath. Oh how I wished I had had the courage to whip my hand away. I can still feel it now. Many years later I met her and she was a really nice lady. The kids of today need someone like her.
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She put them over the desks!! Wonderful!

Rangy Strider

Yes perhaps it is getting tiresome; girls were sometimes slippered etc. by men but not very often at all. However the fact is that the reason most of the guy's on here, are here, is because we all have an endearing fantasy image of naughty, pigtailed schoolgirls, having their bum's spanked and caned by strict old Headmasters, as we blokes were. (Something primal, which I suppose, goes back to male dominance and female submission of our primitive past) We just love the fact that it happened at all, doesn't have to have been a frequent occurrence.
So you can't really be that surprised that the question of M/F spanking keeps coming up can you?

It may be that many of the above postings are entirely genuine but the Zoe Marshall posting is most assuredly a fake.

"Zoe Marshall - 1975
The Cane - Hi, I don`t suppose anybody remembers me but I have a question, I was caned by the Headmaster in 1973, can you tell me his name? I have forgotten it, and also I was caned on my bottom, I have often wondered if I am the only girl who was caned on the bum, it really hurt."

'Zoe Marshall' = typical fake name. Why are these caned girls never called 'Gertrude Sludge'?

"I don`t suppose anybody remembers me" = I don't exist but before you denounce me as a fake let me defend myself by suggesting I was a wholly unmemorable character. Readers of SCP, I ask you - has anybody ever attended a school and been remembered by nobody? Almost everybody had friends/chums/pals/companions at school and, if anybody was a complete loner, they were memorable for being a loner.

"I was caned by the Headmaster in 1973, can you tell me his name" = I'm creating a fantasy persona for myself and I need to back it up with a few facts. Readers of SCP, I ask you - do any of you not recall the name of your headmaster(s)? Were any of you caned/slippered at school by someone whose name you cannot for the life of you recall?

"I have often wondered if I am the only girl who was caned on the bum" = I acknowledge that caning girls on the bum was absolutely unheard of so, instead of simply claiming it happened to me and being denounced immediately as a liar, I'm admitting my alleged experience is probably unique and asking you confirm its uniqueness.

Zoe is a male fantasist and a very very obvious one.

Need I say more?

I think not.

Yes, Lotta, I saw everything you saw. I also went one step further, which was to guess that Zoe Marshall's objective in "wondering" whether others were caned on the bum was to provoke them into relating their experiences. But I didn't voice my own doubts because it doesn't make much difference to the weight of evidence. Amongst the legion cases of girls being hit on the bottom with various items of hardware, this is the only mention of the cane. And 1 case is hardly better than 0 cases. It doesn't materially change what I said: "rare to non-existent".

But you always have to say the one thing too many, the thing that marks you down as an unreliable critic. In this case it's a transparently silly thing:-

"'Zoe Marshall' = typical fake name. Why are these caned girls never called 'Gertrude Sludge'?"

I haven't got your experience, still less your tireless devotion, in the province of typically fake names, but "Zoe Marshall" is also a typically genuine name, as anyone who bothers Googling for it will establish. On the other hand "Gertrude Sludge" turns up nothing. You are simply back-projecting. Had this name been attached to any of the other anecdotes which you accept as genuine, you would see nothing fake about it at all. But you are sure that Zoe Marshall is a fake, so that makes you see her name as self-evidently fake - which it isn't. It's self-evidently a normal name. It's just the person behind it that might or might not be a fake. Your wisdom in seeing what others fail to see is akin to that of the geniuses of the race-track who always know what horse is going to win, but never say so until after it has passed the finishing-post.

As someone pointed out yesterday, everyone who haunts this message board does so because he/she is fascinated by flagellation, especially when bottoms are involved. But some are more fascinated than others. To some extent, everyone is a voyeur, which is why there is always a crowd for a playground fight, or a road accident. We all crowd round for a caning. It tickles our baser instincts. I have drifted into this crowd because I'm as much a voyeur as the next man, but only as long as the next man isn't you. Because, unlike you, I will drift away again soon. Everyone is a pervert to a greater or lesser degree, but your perversion seems to consist in pointing out other people's perversions while not advertising your own. That's a very perverted perversion. But it advertises itself just the same. As far as I can establish, you've been circling around the rotting corpse of the English beating tradition for at least three years. When you add up all the hours you've spent pecking away at the entrails, how much of your life does it constitute? And what else could you have been doing instead that would have been more productive?

Rangy Strider

Oh Yes They Did Indeed!

At risk of being classified as 'haunting' this forum realising that given my chosen 'tag' this is not surprising it came to mind that there had been a posting of a ladies recollections on the memories site of a particular school some time ago. Took some time to find it but here it is. Unfortunately the URL is now inactive, not surprising since it was over 2 years ago. Can't immediately remember the full name of the school, but will have a look for it based on the URL content. Plenty of naming of names and corroborative detail in this one however.

Historical Reality
January 9 2004 at 6:04 PM
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Here is an interesting reference presented without comment.

http://www.cousto.freeserve.co.uk/memory4.htm

Some Text:

Memories of Old Skelmersdale


Childhood memories
By Betty Davies (nee Greenall)
I lived in Skem until I was 10yrs old at which time we moved to Southport. My home was 47 Liverpool Rd, opposite the paths to Ormskirk Rd and a couple of houses from White Moss Rd where my maternal grandparents lived.
I went to the Wesleyan school that had three classrooms and taught children from 5 to 14yrs. Mr Proctor was the headmaster and taught the older children. Usually the older children didn’t see too much of the Headmaster, only if they had done something bad enough that staying after school or a crack on the palms with a ruler didn’t suffice, then it was in to see Mr Proctor for a slap on the rear with a cane. I only saw him once for that, honest! and I don’t remember what for.

With a little luck the official punishment book still exists as well.

Found it.

http://www.cousto.freeserve.co.uk/SLHA/memory4.htm

"I lived in Skem until I was 10yrs old at which time we moved to Southport. My home was 47 Liverpool Rd, opposite the paths to Ormskirk Rd and a couple of houses from White Moss Rd where my maternal grandparents lived.
I went to the Wesleyan school that had three classrooms and taught children from 5 to 14yrs. Mr Proctor was the headmaster and taught the older children. Usually the older children didn’t see too much of the Headmaster, only if they had done something bad enough that staying after school or a crack on the palms with a ruler didn’t suffice, then it was in to see Mr Proctor for a slap on the rear with a cane. I only saw him once for that, honest! and I don’t remember what for." says Betty Davis.

I'm sorry to destroy readers' fantasies about a teenage girl being caned on the bum by a male Headteacher but I feel obliged to inform you that the incident could have happened only when Betty was between 5 and 10 years old.

From the addresses given for her home and that of her grandparents, it is clear the story relates to her time in Skelmersdale and not her time in Southport - and she left Skelmersdale when she was 10.

Another one bites the dust.

There are 72 accounts of female discipline in this thread. How can this little twit strut around claiming victory based on one of them?

It seems to me that posts of some well known contributors are suffering from common faults found in examinations, not reading the question and giving the answer the candidate wants to give rather than what was sought for.

I responded to the original root statement of this thread which was:

"This question whether girls were caned/slippered on the bottom by male teachers is becoming tiresome, mostly because the debate is conducted by people whose opinions are dictated by wishful thinking. The fantasists are disposed to believe anything, however ridiculous, while the self-appointed vigilantes are disposed to believe nothing, however plausible. The truth as always lies between these extremes."

I see nothing in my post regarding Skelmersdale which indicates anything other than that girls were caned/slippered on the bottom in at least one case not related to any form of fantasy. The question 'at what age does a girl start or stop being categorised or described as a girl - discuss, with reference to corporal punishment.' wasn't originally raised.

Whilst I find it hard to understand why Lotta wastes so much time on the fantasists who contribute to this forum, I am even more puzzled by the vitriol with which others respond to him/her. Does it really hurt the fantasists so much to take a reality check from time to time?
Based on the evidence posted here and numerous conversations with women who attended schools in the 60s and 70s in which cp was used, it seems to me that the following conclusions, which are consistent with Lotta's arguments, can be drawn:
1. Whilst there were occasional incidents of male teachers using the cane or tawse on female teenage pupils, the target was invariably the hand rather than the buttocks. I am aware of comparatively few cases of formal, recorded canings being applied to the bottoms of teenage girls (only one in which the skirt was raised)- and in every instance the punishment was administered by a female teacher.
2. Informal or unrecorded instances of punishment of teenage female pupils by male teachers involving the application of plimsols and similar improvised implements across clothed bottoms did happen but nowhere near as frequently as such punishments were administered to boys.
3. Instances of female teachers applying corporal punishment to the clothed buttocks of teenage boys also happened from time to time but this was, again, relatively rare.
4. Even in the times when cp was commonplace in British schools, the media and/or the courts would have had an interest in teachers who displayed an unhealthy interest in the bottoms of pupils of the opposite sex. (Alas, men deriving sexual pleasure from beating the bottoms of boys seems to have been more widely accepted. It has probably left a lasting mark (psychologically) on many of the forum's contributors!)
5. Consequently, most accounts purporting to come from female contributors, with or without cycle shorts, are shared male fantasies.

Lotta, your acid wit helps to liven up this forum. Keep up the good work!

In the case of Friends Reunited, a lot of the messages from women regarding getting the cane or slipper are no doubt true, It did happen. However, one problem is highlighted in the original post on this thread.

In the case of Amanda Dunsford’s message, regarding getting the slipper, her post is signed at the bottom by Karl Harrison. A quick check of Amanda’s profile on FR, shows that Karl is in fact her husband.

The problem is that, although it is free to register on Friends Reunited. You have to be a member to post messages, which costs £7:50. Therefore a lot of Guys use their Wife’s/Partners membership to post messages, rather than pay twice, The message then however appears under her name. In the case of Karl, he has added his name to the post. But the majority of guy’s don’t, therefore giving the impression that it was their wife/partner who was punished.