I presume that all users/readers of this forum have some interest in corporal punishment, and, in particular the corporal punishment of children and juveniles (i.e. children of school age). The forum’s very title makes this obvious. What I wonder, though, is how many believe that corporal punishment should be re-introduced in our schools in the UK.

I wish to propose that a systematic and regulated regime of corporal punishment be introduced into schools. This is required in view of the increasing amount of bad behaviour and delinquency among today’s youth. I believe that all this stems from a lack of proper discipline throughout childhood and adolescence.

If we look back into history, we find that going back, say 80 years, or even further into Victorian times and earlier, corporal punishment formed an integral part of the growing up experience of virtually all children, at schools, reformatories and other institutions, as well as in the home. I feel that this shaped them into better adults in later life. More disciplined, respectful of authority, and better prepared to carry on the tradition of punishment and discipline of the next generation, after the manner in which they themselves were punished as children.

This is something that everybody knows, but the political correctness of modern society forbids voicing. I am therefore going to be bold, and propose that proper discipline be reintroduced in schools. I also propose that it be reintroduced in the judiciary for juvenile offenders, and in institutions for the detainment of such. This should be government led, and I believe would prove extremely popular with the electorate.

Although the system should be government regulated overall, to prevent excessive cruelty, I think that each school should be autonomous in the detail of how punishments are administered, so that each school develops it’s own distinctive tradition of punishment. For example, the instrument used (e.g. cane, paddle, birch etc), and other minor details such as bending position, use of furniture etc. should be down to the schools’ discretion. However, the government regulations should lay down certain absolutes in the following terms:

(1) Corporal punishment is to be applied in the region of the buttocks only.
(2) Corporal punishment is to be applied equally to both sexes without distinction as to seriousness of offence or severity. (We are all equal now).
(3) In the case of the paddle or the cane, the posterior must be clothed, meaning at lease underpants (boys) or knickers (girls). In the case of the birch, the posterior may be naked.
(4) Maximum number of strokes permitted in a single punishment as follows:









Child’s Age Paddle Cane Birch
8 1 2 6
9 2 3 9
10 3 5 12
11 4 8 18
12 6 12 24
13 7 15 30
14 9 18 36
15 10 20 40
16+ 12 24 48


(5) No more than the maximum number of strokes as shown above to be given to any child within each seven day period. (i.e., a child given the maximum number of strokes in one punishment cannot be punished again within the following 7 day period)


(6) Maximum size of instruments to be used – Junior Paddle (ages 8 – 10), 18” long, 3 ½” wide 3/8th” thick. Intermediate Paddle (ages 11 – 13), 20” long 4” wide, ½” thick. Senior paddle (age 14+) 24” long, 5” wide, ¾” thick. Paddles to be made from oak, mahogany or similar hard wood. Intermediate and senior paddles may be drilled with holes as required.

Junior cane 28” long, ¼” thick. Intermediate Cane 36”long 3/8” thick. Senior cane 40” long, ½” thick. Canes to be made from best rattan.

Junior birch – 28” long (16” handle, 12” “bush”) 6” wide at bush. Intermediate birch 36” long (20” handle, 16” bush) 9” wide at bush. Senior birch 48” long (28” handle, 20” bush) 12” wide at bush.

The same ages apply (Junior/Intermediate/Senior) as per the paddle

(7) Punishments of children aged 15 plus to be administered by a person of the same sex. Children up to and including age 14 may be punished by a person of either sex.

With these regulations in place, there should be no danger of excessive severity, or accusations of impropriety.

I would expect that the greatest frequency and severity of corporal punishment would be applied to those in the 12 – 15 age group in respect of both boys and girls. This is the age where delinquency tends to set in if not nipped in the bud by firm discipline.
With such a regime in place, our children would grow into the responsible disciplined adults our society needs.

What do you think?

Great! Especially as it comes with free post & packing.

If the choice is between global anarchy and the legalising of child sexual abuse, give me anarchy every time.

Nice to see you back, Lotta, I've missed you!
I wonder if 'Disciplinarian wrote this piece just to see if you were alive or dead?
Fighting fit, appartently.

Great idea!

Particularly like the either sex can apply it up to 14 thread!

At last-someone's thought of a good idea;all those paedophiles who find it difficult to obtain work, can now become licensed spankers, paid for by the taxpayer.

They could form their own union-RAS(Rodders and Sodders),PPC(Paddling Paedophiles Collection),WFB(Whack for Britain) are just 3 possibilities.

In this era of school sponorship, we could get some prime net porn sites to pay the spankos salary, too. Plus sell tickets for the spankings to interested public!

oops!


Forgot-final refinement:allow the audience a vote on whether the miscreant's bum is bared or not, with a £5 a head raffle amongst them to see who lays on the first ceremonial stroke.


May as well milk the commercial possibilities for all we can.

Hey-what about GB year of the Paedo contest sponsored by the DES?

An excellent proposal but may fall foul of EU regulations by stipulating that the size of the instruments are in imperial and not metric dimensions.

Well said Brother, right on! But you should have included public floggings and hangings for repeat offenders. I'm sure they still have flag poles in schools which would be ideal for the above mentioned. Oh, and don't forget Branding with a red hot poker while we're at it. Performed to that famous tune; Rawhide!

I think I might book a trip on the good ship anarchy too. I hope Lotta is the ships Captain. So much more entertaining if she was don't you think.

ah well, as usual, someone makes a rational but over complex suggestion and recieves derision.

MIMI

Au contraire!


The hangings would allow for woodwork classes being put to good use, apart from bloody pipe-racks. Who smokes a pipe these days?

Plus allow us to build up the right string-'em-up attitude for these 570,000 illegal immigrants, when we find 'em-this would encourage the older kids to channel their boisterousness and violence towards illegals.

Pokers may not be a goer, though-so few coal fires & just can't get the servants

I think a new world could just be dawning if we let this carry through to it's logical conclusion.

I'd never deride anything that would turn this country into the sort of place Sun readers think it ought to be!


Steve

Unfortunately Steve the actions of most Western style governments are opposed to the wishes of the people.
What does one expect to happen when for instance immigration allows an out of balance situation to develop as in Blighty. What happens is induced rascism.
Same with CP in schools, allow it but control it. I imagine that the majority of teachers would not want to use it or have to use it but it would be usefull as an example to those that go beyond reasonable control.

(1) I thought this might bring a response from Lotta, who is clearly one of the liberal, politically correct types I was eluding to - Anarchy preferable to discipline? Heaven help us! What I am proposing is not sexual abuse, but a return to proper discipline in schools.

(2) As regards putting woodwork classes to good use, they could certainly make the paddles, canes and birches.

(3)As regards falling foul of EU regulations, if I was in charge Britain would be out of the EU post haste anyway.

Good thought Steve. I would have liked something more challenging that making Spanish Gallion jewellery boxes and coffee tables.

And what about the noose? The girls could make them in the arts and crafts lessons. Pungie sticks for under the fingernails is another good one. I don't know about paddles and canes though.

My recollection is of a woodwork teacher making a strap in class one day. One of the class said he should soak it in vinegar to make it sting more. He nearly got drawn and quartered on the spot for that suggestion.

Now that I've had my fun I will say this: I don't see any reason for a return to CP at all. The problem stems from the lack of good teaching in the home by parents of today.
If we want to blame someone for a lack of discipline of our younger generation we should look in our own backyards first.

MIMI

Going back to agendas, you ought to know Brunel has a bro' ie his litter mate,Clifton.
















Clifton is a beatnik with no sense of timesville, man-hey, he likes tuna flakes, folk music is the endest & playing keepy-uppy with bits of chicken or mice he catches.


We'd better have a sense of both sides of the coin here, if we's going political!


Steve