Some of this seems familiar.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio4/F2766779?thread=3231935

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio4/F2766779?thread=3276906

Very interesting but stupid ja.
( from Rowan & Martins Laugh in circa 60s )

As someone who has original Biggles books that are full of positive rascism I agree that censoring any book is wrong, especially if it involves CP

Enid Blyton demonised Golliwogs and cats.

So if her books were erased from the face of this Earth, I for one would not cry.


I read Noddy avidly as a 2-3 year old, though, and that's maybe why I was always at least a year ahead of the rest in infant's school.

Though I didn't like the spanking references even then, because:-GIRLS never seemed to get sent to spanking village!

And I always thought someone of Bigears' age shouldn't have been spending so much time around a little boy like Noddy!

There were reasons for the latter perception becoming sharper, but not on this page, it's still personal and unpleasant.

Tina.W, the author of messages 1,2,6,11,20,31,33,35,60,65,68,70,74,76,84 and 97 in the ‘Censoring the past’ topic at the ‘Woman’s Hour’ message board is very closely related to Angela, who is featured in our ‘Chastised in Cheshire’ thread at:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/198833/thread/1054016810/last-1054329736/Chastised+in+Cheshire

The school referred to is Henbury High in Macclesfield and it is there that Angela has registered himself with Friends Reunited. The contributions, including the photographs, that Angela sent to the School Memories section in 2003 have disappeared, but Brian Smith, another very close relation of Tina.W, has written thus:

Bensons slipper

Yes I remember Bensons slipper, never got it though, it was mostly used for girls I think? (got the cane plenty of times though) I think first year boys got the slipper on occasion as well, but only if Benson felt sorry for them.

The slipper was on his desk a few times when I was sent to his office, it was a dark blue or black gymshoe can't remember which, and it was about a size 10 or 11 and was very tatty looking, so had obviously been across quite a few backsides by then.

Did he bring his slipper with him from his old school? if anyone knows let me know.

Who remembers the line up that would have built up outside his office by about an hour before lunch? it would be about seven or eight boys and maybe two or three girls, all looking worried and waiting to be told off, there would be girls in tears(sometimes even boys) if it was the dreaded second visit that term, knowing that they would be getting a hiding from Sir.

I seemed to have spent most of my school life lining up there waiting for the cane, and although girls hardly ever got the cane I do remember one time on a school trip to Style Mill when two girls had a fight, (mostly scratching and pulling of hair from what I could see and no doubt over a lad?) anyway both of them got the cane when they got back to school, I remember it because I was behined them in the line up that day. Both girls got six of the best across their bottoms and both cried! (as a boy it was very important not to cry when caned and if you managed you got a hand shake of Benson afterwards....great!) If you did cry you had to stand in the corner of his office for a few minutes afterwards untill you'd composed yourself.

A caning does seem a very harsh punishment for girls but I suppose they were acting like boys so Benson punished them like boys.

One important question, did anyone actually like Benson, is there anybody out there with anything nice to say about the man? I know I can't think of anything!

Angela, Tina, Fran, Dean's wife and almost every other 'female' who contributes to CP discussion on the net is simply a crafty male in disguise.

When are people going to wake up and realise that?

LOTTA

The fact FU have pulled Tina's posts tells you something.

I've found out from personal experience there that the only way to get so & so was a perv posted is to bury the bitter comments towards the end of a long post, or drown it in irony.

Anything else gets yanked-which in M/F school CP allegations may not be a bad thing. I went to grammar school from 63-70 & of my female contemporaries in that span who I was trying to get off with at the time, or subsequently, I've met about 7 or 8 who suffered CP at sec school and all were slippered, all by female teachers.

Caning girls was considered bad form by my time. The majority of parents were still, just about, believers in not arguing with the school policy BUT any attempt at m/f CP would have raised more than their hackles.

Primary schools may have been less fussy, because there were always the "village" primary schools in most areas & in inner cities, probably about 5 primaries to the square mile!

Anyway, I might just try a work of fiction on FU one day, but will pick another school & become a woman for one day!


Steve

I did not particularly like Enid Bs books but they must have been popular to be printed so much or perhaps there was not much competition.
The poor old Gollys were quite funny and even at a young age I thought it weird that Noddy and Big Ears slept together.
Lots of comics had a spanking on nearly every page, perhaps it was meant as a kind of conditioning of acceptance.
Minnie and Beryl were allways getting slippered over Dads knee so again it must have been based on some parody of real life?

I am delighted to see that one of our esteemed members (Wembley Woman)
is joining in the debate with that bloke Tina.W

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio4/F2766779?thread=3276906

MIMI


DON'T get me started on 50's comics!

I purchased a whole run of Beanos in 1984 from a shop in Soho(!!) & they were from 1955. One week in October, of the 12 cartoons or pic stories, nine or ten had a spanking in.

This included Cat & Dog, in which Cat gets the slipper, by master holding juicy bone to Dog's mouth, so Dog's tail wags like made & slipper is tied to dog's Tail. Unusually for comics, this was a bare-bottom job!

If that's what we were conditioned to accept as "normal" it's a great wonder many of us never ended up as basket-cases! But it was indeed widespread,home, school and "literature"!

Interestingly(?) enough, Minnie always seemed to get the strap at school-no surprise, as Beano was from Bonnie Dundee-but ALWAYS on the bum,NEVER the hand, as was always the case with When the Bell Rings, as Bash Street Kids were then known, be it cane or strap,boy or Girl-hand everytime.


Steve

Well it's better being a female "for just one day" than "Lotta/Lotto" who spends most of his abundant spare time being one far and wide across the internet,at the same time indulging his latent perversion by attacking those who have genuine memories to contribute here.
Methinks he doth protest too much (albeit in the guise of an anti-corporal punishment female).

Perhaps lotta, Tina, Fran and co are all the same person. Perhaps he or she is a really complex multi personality type with different writing styles and opinions etc.?

Or perhaps it's someone working undercover keeping tabs on pervs, albeit via entrapment type methods?
Lets face it these schoolgirl fantasies are a bit clichéd for spanking enthusiasts, their pure Benny Hill or Carry on sketch spanking scenarios.
These fictions aren't nearly authentic enough or anally retentive about details of accepted discipline methods, to be the work of a true spankophile. If he or she were one there would certanly be centered around female teachers slippering navy blue or bottle green gym knickers etc. etc.

How convenient. The membership secretary provided some excellent material - lots of posts by Tina.W - who Lotta accuses of being a male.

So let's see our self proclaimed expert demonstrate that Tina.W is a male impersonating a female.

What words/phrases/style/subliminal content support your theory, Lotta?

1. No clever deeks and dodges to avoid the issue this time.
2. No going missing for several days in the hope we'll forget about it.
3. Just straightforward, convincing facts please.

Oh, and er... if you do convince us you are right... er... what happens if Tina.W comes forward and can prove she is a female?

Once again, Lotta, the stage is all yours:

_*Prove to us that Tina.W is a male.*_

To prove either that Tina is a male or that Tony is a bit dim would be a waste of my own time and everybody else's - as the only person in the world who doubts either proposition is Tony himself.

Dear Lotta
I have no doubt Tony has his doubts as regards Tina's real gender but he, like most of the rest of us, doesn't rush to condemn without good evidence. God hope the poor defendant if you ever sit on a jury!

We are doing this in order from the top again, are we Lotta?

OK, that's a clever deek and dodge to avoid the issue, complete with typical Lotta-style front-on attack designed to weaken the enemy.

What's next? ... you go missing for a few days and hope we'll forget about it?

Or more clever deeks and dodges first?

Even if we have to read more deeks, dodges and insults, and then wait several days until you are back, Lotta...

We want proof that Tina is a male...

Lotta is very close to a trip to Coventry again.

"We want proof that Tina is a male" says Tony.

Well, I want proof that you want proof.

"Angela, Tina, Fran, Dean's wife and almost every other 'female' who contributes to CP discussion on the net is simply a crafty male in disguise."
- Lotta Nonsense, July 23 2006, 8:09 am

No conditions... no qualifications... no ifs, ands or maybes...

Lotta clearly informed us that "...Tina ...is ... a male in disguise".

Prove it.

Prove that you want me to prove it.

Sorry, you got yourself in this pickle and you get yourself out of it.

Either:

1. What you stated is correct - in which case openly provide the evidence that convinced you Tina is a male,

Or:

2. You are once again full of hot air and cannot be believed on this forum.

Which is it?

No amount of cute deeking and dodging will get you off the hook, Lotta.

Prove to us that Tina is a male.

I shall be delighted to prove that Tina is a male once I know that you really want me to prove it.

Accordingly, prove that you want me to prove it.

I doubt that anyone reading this has any respect left for your posturing and evasiveness, Lotta. You made a statement that most female posters are male, not I.

But the choice is entirely yours. It has nothing to do with what I want to happen. And there is no intent to load the dice. You can have a reasonable, indeed generous, period of two days to justify your claim that Tina is a male (or any of the persons you named; Angela, Tina, Fran or Dean's wife).

That doesn't even require you to prove the improbable assertion that almost all female posters are male. Any proof at all will be a giant step forward from what you have provided so far when challenged - nothing.

Should you fail to provide convincing information, the only conclusion left is that you have no evidence... which kinda suggests your posts are based on wishful thinking, not fact... doesn't it...?

And like the little boy who cried wolf, you will label yourself as someone whose words cannot be trusted on this forum.

So don't ask me to prove anything, it's your choice, Lotta. Two days. No point wasting everyone's time with more deeks and dodges is there - there's work to do! Let's see some proof.

Let's see some proof you want to see some proof.

Ignorant little fool. Two days.

Two days

The day

The teddybears

Have their picnic

But can they prove it?

Look, just because it's school holidays, do the whole lot of you have to start behaving like the Bash Street Kids?

Am I going to have to send Teacher & Winston the janitor's cat up there?

PLEASE!

A man gets home from work, which he hears today won't be there much longer, slogs through his e-bay sales, gets out his pipe, reads his favourite forum and.............................. YOU lot break out like squawking 6-year olds!





You have been warned!



The Bash Street Kids is a comic strip in the UK comic The Beano, and is often seen as respresentative of the comic, rivalling Dennis the Menace. The strip was created by Leo Baxendale under the title When the Bell Rings, and first appeared in The Beano in issue 604, dated 13 February 1954. It became The Bash Street Kids in 1956. Baxendale continued to draw it until 1961, and David Sutherland has drawn the majority of the strips since then.
Like many long-running UK comic strips, The Bash Street Kids is anachronistically frozen in the era in which the strip began. About Class 2B of Bash Street School, where the teacher and the headmaster still wear mortarboards and gowns and pupils sit at wooden desks with inkwells. They are taught by a stereotypical teacher, who appears to actually have the name Teacher (his wife is called Mrs. Teacher). The characters were inspired by the view overlooking the D. C. Thomson & Co. Ltd office windows, from the playground at Dundee High School.
The class contains ten pupils:
• Danny - The leader with the soul of a pirate. Wears a skull and crossbones sweater which his grandma knitted for him, and a floppy red school cap which indicates his rebellious nature. He is quite crafty, with a unique intelligence. He was appointed leader very early on in the strip after he gave each kid a wine gum.
• Erbert - A shortsighted boy who struggles to see, even with his spectacles.
• Fatty - A fat boy who can never stop eating. Being called fatty does not bother him, in fact he likes it.
• Plug - A hideously ugly pupil who uses his face to his best defence. He's so ugly that when he pulls a face he becomes handsome. He has an impish sense of humour. His name derives from the term plugugly. He later appeared in his own comic, called simple Plug (1977 - 1979), which starred him and his two pets, Pug, from Pup Parade, and Chunkee the Monkey. (This strip was later incorpaorated into the Beezer comic.) His name used to be Pug; the L, according to The Beano, was added when Smiffy had a spare one after spelling the word "sily". Plug's "real name" was first revealed as "Percival Proudfoot Plugsey" on the cover of Plug, although earlier issues of The Beano give him the name Claude. Plug briefly inherited Smiffy's naive comic attribute in comic libraries such as 'The Time Machine' and 'Darkest Africa'.
• Sidney - Toots' twin brother and the keeper of a dozen animals. He wishes to become a vet when he grows older because he knows more about animals than anything. Sidney has spiky hair resembling a chimney sweeper's brush in which he takes pride.
• Smiffy - The naive, somewhat dumb pupil who often confuses genders and nouns (for example, when Teacher calls the register and he is supposed to say 'present', he says 'gift' instead). He can sometimes be very kind and aware of things on an emotional level, similar to an idiot savant, but most of the time he can't even remember what colour the sky is. He has two brothers, Whiffy and Normal Norman. His mother occasionally appears, once as a replacement member of staff when Teacher was absent.
• Spotty - A short character who is often compared to a Christmas pudding. He is quite handy when he wants to be, with his attire (his extraordinarily long tie) often helping the kids out in tough situations. In the 1981 Beano Book, it was revealed that Spotty has 976 spots.
• Toots - Sidney's twin sister, the only girl in the class and the youngest. A classy tomboy who can be as bossy as Danny when she wants to be, but has more of a heart than any of her friends. She is very tough and the boys have no problem letting her join in their games.
• Wilfred - A thoughtful and introspective boy, with thoughts hidden behind the depth of his green jumper that goes all the way up to his nose. He often resembles a tortoise and has a mystery concerning his neck, which is never seen; whenever he takes off his jumper all we see is a vest as high up as his jumper.
• Cuthbert Cringeworthy - The brightest child in the class, and a teacher's pet who tends to be bossy, rude, and spoiled; he tends to be ostracised by the others. He has a name for every letter of the alphabet. First appearing in 1971, he looks very much like Teacher (a play on the DC Thomson comics' tradition that pets look like their owners — e.g. Dennis the Menace and Gnasher — and his status as teacher's pet).
Other characters of the strip include:
• Teacher - Class 2B's long suffering teacher, who (as noted above) appears to be actually called Teacher. However, in one issue the Kids were thrilled to find out that their teacher's first name was...Algernon! He has a wife, Mrs. Teacher.
• Head - The pompous and portly school headmaster. He is very fond of tea and biscuits, and permanently wears his academic gown and mortarboard. Teacher spends much of his career toadying to Head.
• Janitor - The school's fat janitor. He hates litter and pupils who break the rules. He enjoys bossing Winston about, but is a lazy man himself.
• Winston - The school's cat. Anthropomorphic, he is often seen mopping the floor with Janitor. Winston is crafty and often concots his own schemes when Janitor frustrates him. He is always seen wearing the same hat as Janitor.
• Olive - The school cook (and Beano offices tea-lady), who first appeared in the strip in 1980. Everyone hates her food, as the ingredients for it include items such as old books. On the other hand, she has a high opinion of her cuisine, which is a constant source of worry to the school's pupils and staff. Due to the inedible and frequently disgusting meals she serves, industrial-sized boxes of indigestion remedies have occasionally been seen on the canteen tables.
• mrs bird'-the school secatory first apears in "bash street kids 1993"
it is unone if she apperas again.
• florence the school nurse-first apears in "bash street kids 1993"
it is unone if she apperas again.
As can be seen, some characters are named after their occupation, Teacher and Head, for example. This is typical of eccentric British humour, and even borders on surrealism; Teacher's wife is called Mrs Teacher, the headmaster's brother's name is Mr Headsbrother, and the children's parents (who look almost exactly the same as their child) are called Plug's Dad and such, even in flashbacks when they are themselves children.
In the earlier years it was not clear how many pupils there were. The maximum ever was 16, including:
• Teddy - A teddy boy.
• Ella - One of only two girls. The other was Toots.
• Jimmy - Who looks like Smiffy but wears a cap.
The strip has had various spin-offs over the years, including Pup Parade, Simply Smiffy, Plug and Singled Out. The Bash Street Kids Annual is published every year, as were summer specials during the 1990s.
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bash_Street_Kids"

How appropriate that this thread should have started off under the heading of Woman's Hour introduced by Wembley Man!

Using Lotta's standard, or is it burden, of proof I can clearly state that it is obvious to anyone that Fran is not Lotta, or Sarajane or C.Nickel for that matter. Simple analysis of the historic protracted battles between Fran and these virtual harridans and scourges of simple faith shows such an opposition of style and character that it would be impossible for anyone other than the incapacitatingly clinically insane to pretend simultaneously to be the opposing sides, certainly over the timings shown for the contending posts, which are available on this forum in the archives.

However I have just realised that the last and lowest scoring cell in the well known spoof staff assessment matrix which has 'Clears Tall Buildings in One Leap and Bound'as the highest with intermediate scoring cells such as 'Strong as a Bull', 'Smells Like a Bull' etc in descending order is actually 'Argues with himself/herself, and loses!'. Sometimes the most useful category for some sequences of posts, or am I completely wrong?

Back to the real work for now.

And if there any doubters, the 1955 Beano i referred to elsewhere had the entire 16 lining up for the strap over teacher's knee, Toots & Ella included, so you are ALL in deep trouble.


But I CAN'T find a picture of Winston!





GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

A splendid post from WembleyWoman.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio4/F2766779?thread=3276906&skip=60&show=20

Copyright Brian4WembleyPosts

WembleyWoman says:

"The regulations of most Local Education Authorities concerning school corporal punishment stated that it may only be administered to a pupil by a teacher of the same gender. I have a friend who, at the age of fourteen, received a formal six of the best with a slipper on her gym knickers from her male P.E. teacher for truanting from the lessons. She was very badly affected by this, with the result she has been unable to enter into any relationship with a man that does not involve a degree of sadomasochism."

This appears to be a reference to the notorious fraud perpetrated upon members of this forum by the very strange man who for many moons masqueraded as a woman named Fran and claimed to have been slippered on her green knickers by a male gym teacher at Copland School.

The truth, of course, is that no girl was EVER slippered by that gym teacher.

Could it be that WembleyWoman and Fran are one and the same sad man or are they two sad men with similarly sad gender-bending fetishes?

'The truth, of course, is that no girl was EVER slippered by that gym teacher'

Probably, Lotta, but who knows? Certainly not you.

I invite you to guess which of Lotta and Mimi might JUST have been inspired by this particuar little imp below!












Possibly both, but you can't deny the resemblence! Unfortunately, Minnie being "born" in December 1953(almost as old as me), regular readers will know one of our little coquettes is far too young to fit. I'm far too gallante to reveal which.


Note Dad's carpet slippers-size 11 or 12,I guess and regular BEANO readers will know where these were employed most weeks.

Congratulations to Lotta for getting past the censors of the BBC. It is not easy, so I am told.

Copyright Brian4WembleyPosts

Two days have gone by since Lotta's statement that "Angela, Tina, Fran, Dean's wife and almost every other 'female' who contributes to CP discussion" is a male.

Despite considerably prompting, there has not been the slightest attempt to justify the assertion.

I think we can safely conclude that while Lotta may be "clever", she/he is not displaying much intellegence (or maturity), and any further claims that lack tangible evidence are likely to be wishful thinking too.

Lotta has made some very weak posts in reply to the request to prove the gender of any poster. Her (or his?) response is childish and disappointing.

Lotta is male, I can confirm it. He is Arthur Scargil, late of the Miner's Union. He always has been ready to argue the unarguable and state suppositions as facts. I have always admired his doggedness in the face of opposition. He's wonderful but far too repetative.

I've been following the Womans hour corporal punishment threads, but what I really want to know is how many of the contributers are from this site... is it just wembleywoman and Lotta, or is it all of them? what about Aubrey cat who has a friend who got slippered by a male teacher?

I would love to know who are the prisoners and who are the wardens?

AubreyCat does not claim to have a friend who was slippered by a male gym teacher.

He/she is simply quoting the liar who claims to be a friend of the non-existent 'Fran' - a fictional character created by a one-handed male typist to entertain the terminally gullible readership of this forum.

I'm starting a Fran Fan Club!

I don't know who Fran is 'cos I haven't been here long enough, but anyone who attracts such a steady stream of hostility from Lotta has to be a good chap (er... whatever).

So keep up the good work, Fran, whoever you are!

We luv you.

I was a girl at school in England, Wembley, London in the mid-sixties. As some contributors will know I have described this situation several times, and over some years prior to the establishment of Friends Reunited, but now unprompted confirmation from my ex-school colleagues has appeared on several occasions in relation to my school.

To save time, below is information from one of my earlier shorter posts (elsewhere)on the subject which covers the points. In response to potential further questions. The public canings of boys were quite rare, but generally very stressful. The whole school usually remained in shocked silence as the very formal procedure was completed. On some occasions some of my girl colleagues broke down in tears as the caning proceded. We girls never knew for certain that we could not be subject to similar procedures, although most likely on the hands. I have no evidence that girls ever in practice received corporal punishment in assembly at this school.

The girls mentioned in the other schools were caned or slippered on the seat of their skirts. I seem to remember my friend at the primary school (who was number three to be called forward to be caned) mentioned the headmistress told them to pull their (longish) skirts/dresses more tightly round them as they bent over, before being told to touch their toes.

I witnessed, or was audibly aware of several slipperings administered by my male PE teacher. I personally once received an 'official' six of the best with the slipper on my bottom (over my gym knickers) which was administered with me bending over touching my toes in a room adjacent to the PE Changing Room from which the sound, and if wished the sight, of the slippering were available to all the other girls. (On this occasion as a formal punishment carried out after the lesson as far as I know, no other pupils witnessed the event.) At this school the Headmaster would also publicly cane boys on the bottom (touching toes, blazer folded back) in assembly, which I witnessed several times. Girls were caned by the Deputy Headmistress on the hand, never in public, and I never got it although several of my girl classmates did.

I have several girlfriends of around my age who received corporal punishment. One of them was once publicly caned by her Headmistress with three other girls on her bottom (three strokes touching toes)in assembly at her mixed primary school. Another attended a girls high school near Huddersfield where she witnessed at least six public slipperings of girls (on the bottom, bending over) by the Headmistress at morning assembly over her time there in the sixties.

I have no reason to doubt my friends accounts as they were communicated to myself and other women in open conversation (e.g. relating to schooling of our own children), and indeed there should be documentary evidence in punishment books, records, and from the many witnesses of these very public events.

To digress to another (related) matter 'why don't I ever identify exactly the school(s)? etc' I would just like to share the information that in fact in prior forums I have. Prior to that I actually once gave out my real active email. I was inundated by a torrent of communications ranging from the mildly salacious to utterly offensive (as a mature woman even I was horrified at a lot of it)and not only from private individuals. It was very difficult to stop. Having learnt that lesson, on the occasion I directly identified my school (all but post code), it all started again. Again very difficult to stop. The other thing I found was that on many forums identifying schools and individuals directly led to posts being deleted. There are enough verifiable clues, presentations of symbolic slippers being one. To those pressing for details which ultimately lead directly to personal (not nickname, or pseudonym)identification, please understand this is not a good idea. To those tempted to 'come out' in this way, either don't, or be prepared to be very very brave, and persistent in controlling the situation.

The above posting is a classic example of good quality 'female impersonation'.

It would fool most readers but it is, I believe, the very posting that when it first appeared convinced me that Fran was a male.

His previous postings had left some room for doubt but the above posting contains two or three very significant hallmarks of female impersonation.

Fran is a man - FACT!

That's the first hint of fact in dozens of posts:

"... the above posting contains two or three very significant hallmarks of female impersonation."

OK, Lotta, it's strange that you don't seem sure how many hallmarks there are, given your unshakeable convinction about Fran... but here's your big chance to build some credibility...

Tell us about these two or three "significant hallmarks of female impersonation".

I shall not be pointing out Fran's fatal errors as to do so would assist other would-be gender benders to bend their genders more convincingly.

LOTTA


Here is a picture of a man known to have committed corporal punishment at Wembley in the 1960's.

Not only this, he did it on a number of occasions, and ALWAYS in front of between 90- 100,000 witnesses!

On at least one occasion, this was done to a girl, or at least the nearest thing to it not in green knickers in 1966, being a French person called Simon, with pretensions to ball-playing skills. At least until this hombre sorted them out.





STEVE

There are subject-neutral progams such as Gender Genie which statistically calculate and indicate the gender of the writer from specific characteristics such as word occurrence and grammatical structures. Having subjected several posts from different authors to such scrutiny including my own posts I have found that to an overwhelming statistically significant extent clearly identifiable 'Fran' posts are strongly identified as written by a female. My posts are identified 100% correctly as male.

The gender identification programs and perfectly respectable programs used routinely by universities across Britain to identify plagiarism and impersonation in exams etc work by identifying occurrence and relative frequency of particular words and phrases and related grammatical structures with some consideration of expression of subject matter. Lotta has in the past dismissed the results of such analysis as inherently fallacious particuarly if inconvenient to Lotta's purpose. I find it difficult to understand how Lotta can now reaonably expect us to believe that Lotta's efforts with analysis of the written word alone are much superior to heavily researched and supported academic tools and that such efforts be regarded as inately infallible.

I also have some concerns related to the fact that written works by educated females have in the past been ascribed to males in the absence of evidence to the contrary. Females have had to write like males and even use male names to get work accepted and published in previous times. The intellectual and academic world values and actually prescribes a neutral and generally third party mode of expression derived over time from essentially male models of academic rigour. All are expected to follow this if they wish to be published irrespective of gender and to a certain extent subject area. This inevitably leads females to use 'male' modes of expression at times in use of formal language

How then would an obviously educated and probably academically active female with a passion for this very emotive and special subject write? Well we don't really know as clear examples are either not generally available or not identifiable clearly as such. I would take the view that writings by well known female academics such as Greer, de Beauvoir, Paglia etc show a similar mix of academic rigour and formal language supported by exploration of true passion and feeling as that achieved by 'Fran'. But then again my belief that 'Fran' is essentially female is only a view derived from a combination of facts and circumstantial evidence and I am not claiming infallible insight.

I am still waiting for the right information and an opportunity to send her an email. I just hope she is still with us.

After analysing many thousands of samples, the Gender Genie (by the admission of its own authors) is accurate only 60% of the time - a result which is only just better than might be achieved by pure guesswork!

It thinks Kate Bush and Charlotte Bronte are male yet seems convinced James Blunt is a female.

Basically, the Gender Genie is rubbish.

It wouldn't surprise me if Deus were to contact Fran and subsequently enter into a lengthy correspondence, publishing every email on this forum for our delectation.

Deus and Fran are quite possibly one and the same person.

Re: Gender Genie etc. I am not promoting such software as infallible. Just pointing out the accepted fact that where many tests are made on different samples from the same source a result consistently above average or differing from a value suggested by the null hypothesis that the results should occur at random allows respectable belief in statistical significance of the result. This is strengthened if different tests point to similar conclusions. Using other software probably less familiar to this community such as WCopyfind and local developments by academic institutions gives me statistically consistent results. Gender Genie is only of interest in that others here could easily replicate and validate my specific results, perform their own tests and reach their own conclusions.

I have enough statistical and factual information to sustain my belief that 'Fran'is/was a real person and as such potentially contactable directly or through people who knew her. If it does turn out that this is the case the only acceptable form of report to this forum is from 'Fran' herself. I will only report factual state of play as I know it including statistical 'facts'. I won't be supplying either real or imaginary running commentary as from 'Fran's' comments in the past I would assume that such publication would be precisely the sort of thing which would prevent her from ever posting here or anywhere else ever again.

Those who have personfully i.e. potentially not just 'manfully' waded through the above without going to sleep or smashing the computer screen will also realise as I do that 'Fran' would have had to simultaneously achieve formal mathematical analytical skills and also have a pre-frontal lobotomy to sustain interest in writing such stuff. Neither the merest evidence of the presence of such skills or any need for surgical intervention is present in the published writings I have seen.

She is/was definitely an artist, and she probably don't look back.

Deus is either the most gullible fool in Christendom or he is the fantasist formerly known as Fran.

The gender identification programs…(Deus)

…research done for the BBC radio program 'Talking in Class'. (Fran)


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It's definitely "back against the wall" time for Lotta.

Tonobungay continues to advertise this forum on the ‘Woman’s Hour’ board. In his latest message he gives five ways in which to identify what he calls a ‘spanko’ on message boards. He then invites readers to scan the ‘Girls smacked in 60's/70's schools’ thread and pick out these people.

The BBC boards are heavily censored and thus the unfortunate spankos will not be outed on the ‘Woman’s Hour’ forum. For clarification and the avoidance of doubt, here they are:

postmankeith

Roxybunty

juliaKay

To the list of ‘Woman’s Hour’ spankos I would add HelenaForsyth. She writes:

‘There is no gaelic word for midgie. Visitors to the Highlands in the 1800s do not mention them.
It is therefore believed that widespread deforestation and the introduction of vast numbers of sheep stopping regeneration and providing a ready food source elevated the natural population to a problem level. Reforestation and the removal of sheep would probably return the population to a sensible level. This would provide habitat for their predators especially bats, ensuring a natural balance.’

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Those moderators on the BBC site must be what we used to call ‘backward’. How long does a take them to read through a few messages, for G--d’s sake? I sent a very short piece three hours ago and it still has not appeared.

So it’s goodbye BBC, from me.