Should you wish to comment on this extraordinary collection, please do so here below.

A blind man on a galloping horse could see they are written by a man and I have little doubt that man is our friend Deus.

LOTTA

Forgetting that MOST long posts on here come from men(and I plead guilty to loving the sound of my own e-voice now!), I did some research on Copland on FR.

It's listed under 3 guises, but I analysed all the 3 sites or names in MEMORIES and TEACHER MEMORIES sections. I counted up how many posts of 6 lines or more there were.

We had 30 in total. On the assumption that everyone who's registered is really who they are registered as, at least from an identifiable sex viewpoint, then the longer e-mails/posts broke down into:-


19 MALES

11 FEMALES.


I would add, apart from one grade 7 in the Civil service in mid-80's, who retired at 65 in about 1985/6, all the people I've known in life who post like Fran, ie NEVER use don't instead of do not, are men.

Having had an excellent bread-and-butter pudding tonight, the memory is under pressure
but I can think of around 15 people I've known with that degree of formality & they speak the same way,too.

Interpret that as you may,Lotta, but I do suspect you girls are not inclined to rabbit on at length about deeper matters, for the simple reason that you bloody women know you are always right!

Good posts, though, whoever wrote them,eh?

As an old guy here, who left school in 1950 and was subject to CP many times - and one of Lotta's one handed typists to boot - I can see nothing in Fran's posts, to date, to be able to say categorically that she/he is a hoaxer. Having said that, it would surprise me if she's telling the truth because she sounds far too enthusiastic about it all. The reason I object to Lotta's constant ridiculing of every post signed as a female is I hate people who pontificate about things although they have no way of knowing the truth. Lotta says there's no doubt all this happened to somebody at sometime but never to anyone posting here! As I have already said many times, I have doubts about 90% of those posts but I would hate to say 100% of them are fantasy, as Lotta invariably does. It would be so refreshing to hear her give her reasons when she dismisses a poster as a liar.
And, by the way, her recent "prove you want me to prove it" was pathetic!

As I've said before, if the delightful Fiona Phillips posted on here that she was slippered on the bum by a male teacher would Lotta say it didn't happen and that the poster was a man?
Of course she wouldn't because it is common knowledge that this did happen. The precedent is set and if it happened once then it happened lots of times.

.........unless Lotta can PROVE otherwise.

Prove my recent "prove you want me to prove it" was pathetic!

If Prince Charles, James Hewitt and a few others posted on here that they'd made love to Princess Di, I'd believe them.

If Danny and JformerlyJethro were to make the same claim, I'd have serious doubts.

The fact that something's happened several times doesn't mean it happened to everyone who says it did.

encore, I can see nothing frantastic about Frans posts.
As someone who went to school at the same time there was nothing unusual about various coloured knickers or applied CP for girls?
So why is it all looked upon as a lie, especially by those who were not there?

"Why is it all looked upon as a lie?" asks Mimi.

Firstly, the Fran stories are obviously written by a man pretending to be a woman.

Secondly, the 'slippered in green knickers' story is at odds with the evidence, all of which has been discussed in previous threads.

If Fran (aka Deus) wishes to provide links to FR postings which support his assertion that girls were ever slippered by the male gym teacher at Copland, I'll be happy to review the case.

The frantasies are wonderful. Keep 'em coming!

(Don't take any notice of Lotta. She's new here.)

Some girls wore green gym knickers, indeed some still do nowadays.
Girls got the slipper at school.
Sometimes male teachers slippered girls.

As the above is not really questionable, can anyone really deny that:-

It is reasonable to assume that some girls wearing green gym knickers got slippered at school.

I'm not sure whether Mimi is simply pretending to be dim or whether he really is dim.

He’s dim.

Read the contributions he made as ‘jay’ in the early days of this forum.

So I am dim? but I am not a liar nor do I rubish other peoples posts without evidence.

I think a bit of careful research would reveal the fact that Forum Administrators are expected to be impartial, and that expressing their personal opinion in an offical capacity is not one of their duties....

huh?

Dimimished!

Fran's latest episode still doesn't convince me she's a hoaxer. As Lotta always says, these things happened and someone's granny must have related such tales to their little listeners.
Maybe Granny was telling porkies but it isn't impossible that it's all true.

Almost anything you can imagine probably happened to someone behind the closed doors of some autonomous institution at some time or other.

However, Fran (aka Deus) is a tried-and-convicted gender-bender, liar and fantasist and must therefore be regarded henceforth as a somewhat unreliable source of information.

To the ‘Being Caned by Miss Watkins’ thread Falling Star sent yesterday two informational posts concerning a URL. Reading some of the older topics today, I came across this piece from him in the ‘Wembley Revisited’ thread.

Could Falling Star and Fran possibly be related?

He writes:
I have spent some time following the posts made by people on this forum.
Personally, I think many people are frightened off posting anything on this site, because as soon as they do, someone immediately jumps in and debunks what they have written. Does no-one out there understand that many contributors are reluctant to indicate their sources for obvious reasons?
It is well known that FR has had to remove countless anecdotes from its records, and this, together with the attitude of some of the regular contributors, has probably deterred countless recipients of corporal punishment from revealing anything more than the most basic details on this forum.
I fully realise that the world is full of fantasists; without them 'Pop Idol' wouldn't survive - and some of us might be glad of that!
I was born and raised (as the current 'anglo' expression has it) in an era when corporal punishment for all was the norm - both at home and in school. I could regale those who were genuinely interested with many tales of girls and boys (including myself) who were regularly beaten at school and at home, and yes, I could name schools, (most of which have been closed down, but are still on FR), but what good would it do? Someone would very quickly accuse me of fantasising.
I suspect this is probably what has happened to many of your contributors, because many of the recent postings on this forum seem to have more to do with self-aggrandisement (and little to do with CP), rather than contributing anything useful or interesting to a topic, which to some of us,(me included) is very interesting.
Perhaps the problem is that many people of my age do not use (or are not interested in) computers, and thus do not contribute. It is clear that many of the comments come from people much younger than myself - nothing wrong with that, but do they really understand how things were in school and at home during the 50s and 60s? We live in an era where everything is celebrity driven, and children cannot be named for legal resons but are able to commit heinous crimes such as murder and grevious bodily harm. Such things were unthinkable in my day, precisely because corporal punishment existed. I'm not arguing for or against - I'm simply saying that it existed as a deterrent - for both sexes - both in school and at home, and not all of us who take the time and trouble to contribute to these posts have only one hand on the keyboard. Personally, I can't type with one hand...

We really are meddling with small potatoes on this forum. The nefarious activities of Deus transmuting into Fran are utterly trivial compared to what is happening under our noses constantly in the real world.

To reveal just one well guarded secret, Saddam Hussein is really Tony Blair, who spends half his time rushing back and forth to a prison in Iraq so he can practice speeches.

No, it's not the least bit improbable.

Wake up, you gullible readers!

The author of the above message is Tony/Jim/Brilliance etc.

His membership of this forum is unlikely to be renewed.

Kindly point out the difference between the above statements and the ones this forum has been subjected to constantly since 2002 by Sara Jane/C. Nickel/Useful Ulrika/Sigmund Frued/Lotta Nonsense etc.

You’re a great one for proof, TonyJim, so if you’re going to claim that my friend Lotta is all those other people

PROOVE IT!

Read the topic "Lotta's Profile".

Let us remember that proof and truth do not necessarily agree.
Jethro

Absolutes are difficult to convey, but obviously they exist. Reality is tangible and dependable. The non-dependable element is our interpretation. (Truth cares not for our opinion!)

The overwhelming majority of people who read and post here would have no difficulty with language that expresses a "high level of confidence". Occasional clarification might be needed, but otherwise everything would flow along smoothly.

This situation is different because someone hopelessly out of step has been persistently tugging in another direction, thus messing up everyone's ability to freely and easily communicate.

I'm not a stickler for proof, and you may have noticed that I don't make nuisance posts if there is no nuisance.

Some day soon I hope to be able to make useful contribution to what this forum was created for!

I have this evening read those posts right through and still I cannot see why they should be labelled 'Frantasies'. The research assistant here can have no idea of 'how it used to be' in the schools of yesteryear to condemn them out of hand. I can understand Lotta doing so, he/she condemns anything that sounds in the slightest unusual so we have to tolerate that attitude - but to have the letters RA after your name should mean you use a little more thought and a little less bias.

For the benefit of new members and exceedingly dim existing members, I should point out yet again that nobody is suggesting that the events described in the Frantasies are by their very nature fantastic.

What many people are saying (indeed, I hear them murmuring as I type these words), however, is that Fran is a man pretending to be a woman and that each and every event which depends for its accuracy upon Fran's being a female is therefore a fantasy.

As I was saying ....

As a fairly new member here, with no claims to be either highly educated or intelligent,I do not understand why it is thought that Fran is a man? Does anyone really know the identity of Fran?

What kind of lonely fantasist can write this following passage?

"What many people are saying (indeed, I hear them murmuring as I type these words), however, is that Fran is a man pretending to be a woman and that each and every event which depends for its accuracy upon Fran's being a female is therefore a fantasy."

how can one hear so many people, in the silence of one's computer room, murmuring these things?

Lotta has a direct hot line to the Almighty, that's how.

Joan of Arc and Peter Sutcliffe 'heard' voices so it's not unknown.

Jethro

I haven't seen Lotta's name in my mother-in-law's telephone book, so are you sure about this?

Oh, and I also don't recall, if we must talk about Him, any mention of Lotta in any work by or about Eric Cantona!


Although maybe that "sardine" quote was familiar!!!!!

There's no other explanation.

I reitterate ( and its not illegal, they can't touch you for it) That I cannot see anything fantastic about the frantasies either.
Then again I am a little dim.

Read Lotta’s post of 7 August at 7.06am in this thread and everything will be made perfectly clear to you.

I can't agree there, Mimi. I doubt if most of the readership here feel these 'Frantasies' are anything other than the result of an enthusiasm for the subject and a degree of wishful thinking. However, to condemn them out of hand as the work of a one handed male typist without giving any reasonable explanation of why Lotta thinks - no that's the wrong word - KNOWS that, just proves that he/she and GDublaB have this in common, they're both so obstinately sure of themselves that they think their judgement (judgement?!!!) is infallible.
I think everyone who delves into this forum from time to time hopes there'll be an iteresting piece from someone, male or female, one or two handed. I don't object to criticism of a story but I hate the "I know better than you" attitude we have all had to suffer here.
To have a completely closed mind is my definition of DIM Lotta, so have a good look in the mirror first before you post your next dismissive reply.

With every Frantasie that's reprinted, it becomes more and more obvious that they're the work of a one-handed male typist.

Wake up, you guys!

Here we go again. Do you want another showdown, Lotta?

Lotta recently stated that any school referred to without naming the school meant that it was a fictitious school. Using the same argument, an accusation without evidence is an unfounded accusation.
The court rules that Fran is a woman unless proved otherwise.

Jethro

If Jethro ever has his IQ boosted to double figures by some sort of new wonder-drug, he'll realise that one cannot assume something to be the case simply because nobody has proved it's not the case.

Does Jethro believe there's a McDonalds on the far side of the moon simply because nobody has ever proved there isn't?

Does he believe elephants can climb trees simply because nobody has ever proved they can't?

Get a grip, Jethro!

Lotta, you really are clutching at straws now and living up to your surname. Of course it’s ridiculous to assume something to be true just because nobody has proved it false so that argument is irrelevant and NONSENSE.

This is a case of somebody posting with a feminine name so I am assuming the person to be a female until it is proved that she is not. Likewise, I expect you to assume that I am a male because I use the name Jethro or Steve, Danny, etc also to be male because those names are usually given to males.

As regards my IQ, I’ve previously said that I make no claims to be highly educated or intelligent so I will not argue with your estimate of single figures. I’ve been struggling through life and scratching a living designing diesel engines for the past 36 years. This is not too demanding an occupation so you may well be correct. I’ll have to get it checked sometime and if I do I’ll let you know

I will repeat that the court has ruled that Fran is a woman and an appeal against the court ruling will only be considered if sufficient evidence is submitted which proves Fran to be a man beyond all reasonable doubt.

LOTTA

Listen to Ottorino Resphigi's tone poems,the Villas, the Pines, The Fountains of Rome.

Elephants are audibly in the pines or splashing about in a drunken frenzy in a fountain in one bit of this stirring, if somewhat over-bearing and martial, work.

Respighi studied music in Brazil and Paris, but not sure how far his zoology studies went-then again, maybe he knew something that's been hidden from us from over 80 years!


J(fJ)

The defence argues that Research Assistant has so far revealed an alarmingly high proportion of Frantasies posted at unearthly hours of the morning. As Fran is in their early 50's, the likelihood of baby in house is reduced.

Sleeplessness due to menopausal symptoms is possible, but these(and I speak from experience of Mum & Sarah) tend to towards difficulty getting ENOUGH sleep, rather than disturbing a "normal" pattern. We cannot rule out an insensitively snoring husband, but it may be more likely that most women would have taken firmer action earlier in the night-if you think Sarah sounds a meek & mild person,I can assure you her elbows would put John Fashanu to shame after lights out!

The other suspicion I have is that ALL the FRantasies tend towards longer posts. Lotta is a prime example of female posting-short and to the point. Like most women, she does NOT think she's right-she knows she bloody is! Hence her ability to bound over the highest walls, and occasionally land in someone's cucumber frame-see why I posted Minnie the Minx on here?

It's very far from impossible that such long and detailed posts were composed by a woman, but I think the law of averages says otherwise. The court should be invited to go for the Scottish not proven-PLEASE! There is not sufficient evidence for anyone to judge who FRan is,their stories are interesting, generate posts and we can all, at the end of the day, ignore them if we choose.

Besides which, you and Lotta are reminding me of an old Elvis Lyric, which I will be forced to quote.................


Steve

STEVE

At times like these, Lotta is caused to ponder the quality and quantity of rubbish that he/she has posted.

Instead of blundering ahead like a drunken ox under the delusion it is clever, he/she pauses, reduces the rubbish content or goes missing, all to the relief of the large number of people who read this forum hoping for useful or entertaining content.

Your deliberate easing of Lotta's self imposed burden has the effect of subjecting us to more rubbish than we would otherwise have to read.

So kindly stop.

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