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boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 11 2007 at 4:15 AM
safrada 

 
I originally posted this question some time ago but forgot to give it a title, so I'm posing the queston again:
Were any posters here ever given the cane or the slipper by a woman teacher, or do they know of others boys who were?

Apart from the occasional reference on Friendsreunited to cane- or slipper-wielding female teachers I am assuming this was a rare practise, at least in secondary schools.

 
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Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 11 2007, 7:39 AM 

I got the slipper from a woman teacher at my junior school, Parkhill in Ilford, Essex.

It was mostly the male teachers there, and the headmaster, who used the slipper but there was one woman teacher, Mrs D, who did make use of it a lot. I was never in her class but when we were lining up in the corridor one day to get on the coach for a swimming lesson she saw me pushing in.

She pulled me out of the line and bent me over and gave me two whacks with her plimsoll about as hard as the other slipperings I got there.

 
 
Bozo

Teeches

August 11 2007, 10:46 AM 

We only ever had one woman teech at our all boys public school and she was an old frump.
In primary school the toddler teech might give a few naughty smacks on the palm with a rool,but that was about it from this dept.

 
 
mimi

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 11 2007, 5:19 PM 

Miss B gave boys the slipper in my class. The age was about 14/15 ( the boys not the teacher) we conned her into doing it herself rather than her sending us to the male teacher next door by volunteering various plimsoles and advising her on the most effective type. She was from one of our former dominions and her mouth watered and her eyes lit up when she did it. She was definitely a spanko!
Sounds incredible but is totally true.

 
 
Research Assistant 2

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 12 2007, 2:25 PM 

It seems that female teachers were more likely to give physical punishment to boys in UK primary rather than in secondary schools.

Hereunder, a few words written by our Honorary Life Member, Joan Riley:

‘Now this woman [headmistress of a primary school] didn't cane or
slipper a child for any old thing - but it was available and kept
the school running along the right lines when disruption did
occur .Both of my eldest were caned rightly by her and I had no
complaint (excepting that my eldest was caned on his hands and I
asked her that if he needed punishing so again it should be on his
bottom and she was fine with that - and I didn't go up to the school
ranting and raving about that - I made an appointment and we settled
the matter amicably).When I went up about the uniform changes she
told me openly that the corporal punishment ban was just about the
last straw in government interference in her school and not having
that sanction had led to a decline in behaviour standards overall.’




 
 
Thomas

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 26 2007, 3:27 AM 

I received the cane five times during my schooling and three of those were from female members of staff. My 5th grade teacher Miss Kamer caned me once and my headmistress Mrs Joss caned me two times. My high school headmaster caned me the other two times, Miss Kamer gave me three strokes on my buttocks and my other punishments were administered to the palms of my hands.

 
 
winston

In S'pore

August 26 2007, 7:02 AM 

i studied In S'pore,i got caned by my principal[discipine master on leave],a lady in her 30's,last month,3 strokes on the buttocks[with uniform on],quite painful,but not as painful as the caning i got from my discipine master last year[maybe weaker.?]

 
 

Hatfield House Lane Secondary Modern

August 27 2007, 10:47 PM 

I attended Hatfield House Lane Secondary Modern (Sheffield)in the 1960s. I remember Miss Proctor swishing the cane quite a lot. It was never on the bum, always on the hand. She was a cold vicious bitch, who dressed like a beatnik. I once saw her slap a timid kid across his eczema blotched face. She eventually took up with Mr Bee, a thuggish art-teacher. After they wed, Mrs Bee would send misbehaving boys to be caned by her scruffy, red-bearded spouse. He prided himself on 'really laying it on'---again, always on the hand.

Muriel Pickering was another teacher at the school. She tried to resolve the problem of her unruly class by putting the slipper across the ring-leaders' backsides. Unfortunately, the good-natured Muriel lacked the temperament necessary to whack to good effect. The naughty lads stuck out their bums with impunity and pride, and easily absorbed Miss Pickering's inept spankings. So, she too began sending culprits off to be punished by a male. Muriel chose John Richardson--a towering, bearded, spiritualist--from Middlesborough. This bloke would often lament, out loud, that he ought to be allowed to 'birch you all on your bare backsides'. As things were, he had to confine his sadistic impulses to palms and fingers. The canings he inflicted were so painful, that we were all cowed in a matter of weeks. He would then frequently vent his existential fury on a life-size plasticine hand, which he kept on his desk.

Pat Meeham was the dykey gym-teacher. She took the boys for music; and she once threatened to give me 'a good old-fashioned spanking'. I grinned back at her in eager anticipation, which she took to be incredulity, and prompted her to say: ' You think I'm joking, but I've smacked bigger bottoms than yours'. I bet she had; but, sadly, she never carried out her threat to smack mine.

I'm grateful to good old Pat, though, for the very stimulating sight of her delivering a single slipper-stroke to a very gorgeous female athlete. This girl was warming up on the playing field. I was a few feet away, as she lay on her back cycling her lovely legs in the air, and displaying the gusset of her navy-blue knickers to my loving eyes. Up came Meeham, seemingly out of nowhere, brandishing a plimsol. The wallop inflicted, caused the teenaged beauty to leap to her feet, rubbing her seat . Miss Meeham looked her briefly in the eye, and then swivelled her gaze meaningfully towards me. The girl raced off round the field. Meeham walked away whistling. And my knob throbbed hard enough to bust through concrete.

 
 
Research Assistant 2

Re: Hatfield House

August 28 2007, 7:19 AM 

penistone,

Do you remember Miss Holmes?


From ‘Friends Reunited’:

Added by John Salkeld on 16/08/2003 19:17 year: 1963Miss Holmes

I can remember being caned by Miss Holmes for "persistently [sic] talking in class" as she wrote on the blackboard. My voice had broken and she thought that she could recognise it. Unfortunately (for me) so had Paul Mallard's, the real culprit. I took several strokes, with dignity.

 
 

Miss Holmes

August 28 2007, 9:27 AM 

Funnily enough, I woke up, this morning, thinking about "Holmsey"---trying to recall her name. I am a couple of years younger than the person who wrote the FR entry; and Miss Holmes left the school a year, or so, after I started there. If I remember rightly, she took us for technical drawing.

A no-nonsense type, Miss Holmes kept her thick, yellow, cane constantly on her desk. I was never a recipient; but there were a hard core of lads whose hands she seemed to cane twice a week (at least)---usually, for very trivial offences e.g grinning at someone across the room.

The cruelty of her caning aside, I found her an erotic figure, due to the figure-hugging trousers she wore---a unique sight back then.


 
 

Mrs Holmes

August 28 2007, 11:33 AM 

It was Mrs Holmes, actually.

 
 
george

who did it harder

August 28 2007, 6:55 PM 

I think it was very rare that boys in secondary schools were given corporal punishment in the form of the slipper or cane by female teachers. In junior schools it was a little more common but was regarded as a task to be carried out by a male member of staff.The ruler across the hands/knuckles or slaps with the hand on the back of the legs was more common by female teachers.

In most schools prior to 1970 the heads of junior schools tended to be male. If the head was male the deputy was female. They would punish pupils of the same sex. However cases did occur where females did cane junior boys, either on their hands or mostly across their trousers.i have not come across a case, even at junior school where a female has caned a boy on his bare bottom. Females may have, in the lower junior school smacked boys bare bottoms with their hand but nothing more severe.

I recall once, but cannot recall how it came about, that one of the senior female teachers caned several boys, with my cane while I was out of school, I think at a Governors meeting. I remember returning and went into the changing room and saw the marks on the boys in the shower that she had caned. The marks were much more severe following the caning than I left on a boys bottom. I remember years after, in the pub, one of these boys commented on the fact that she applieed the cane much harder than I did, and really harder than what was required to obtain the desired result. I have heard this from other boys, that if they are whacked by a female teacher they tend to do it harder than male teachers. I wonder if any members have any comments about if male or female teachers whacked the hardest.


George...still lurking on site

 
 
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Periodic Irritability by Dr. Ossian Lang

May 27 2011, 2:06 AM 

I have referred to this issue on more than one occasion when it came to assessing the likelihood of being on the receiving end of punishment with the Sisters of No Mercy, corporal or otherwise I monitored the phases of the moon. Granted there are other factors that are not gender specific causes of irritability, but sit an hour in my trousers before you cast aspersions. I learned this before sophomore biology and has served me subsequently in good stead. Read what the renown pedagogue had to say about this in the last paragraph of that story. I learned this fifty years ago and he wrote about that more than fifty years before.

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Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

May 27 2011, 5:36 PM 

I was employed in a large organisation, now retired, and for a short time in the early 70s when I was 26 years old, I worked with a young man that had just turned twenty one years old a few weeks earlier. He had recently married a lady of 33 and he told me that she was one of his high school teachers. She had been witness to one of his canings when he was 16, then actually caned him, herself when he was 17, just before he left school. He went to a polytechnic and gained a diploma in Supervision and Management, then found that he enjoyed working with people, more than working in an office. So he was working in my group. He told me that after he left school he met his ex teacher at a church social and they had had a good time. The relationship went on from there.

He had to wait until he was 21 to get married as his parents were against the relationship, telling him that 'she was too old for him.' I did get to meet his wife at a work social evening and she seemed to be a nice enough lady. It was very easy to see that she was older than him and I often wondered whether or not she still caned my work mate's backside if he made her angry.

By the way he worked for my group for a year then went back to uni and became an accountant. I kept in touch with them for a few years exchanging Christmas cards etc, then ran into them at a coffee bar in Auckland recently when my wife and I were for there for a couple of days visiting old friends.

He told me that he owned his own business, an accountants firm that specialised in looking after smaller businesses books.

Ted B


 
 
prof.n

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

May 27 2011, 9:47 PM 

Hi George,

As I have written on here before, in the case of my secondary education , we did during a period of sick leave for the incumbent actually have a seconded deputy head from our sister school. Because we were independent schools the cost of sick pay fell directly on the schools themselves, and the governing body were renowned for being parsimonious when it came to cover staffing. As the girls school had two deputy heads with less students than ours, and one deputy was well used to teaching boys, so secondment was determined........Now I admit that I knew her too well outside the school to have an unbiased opinion ( she taught me guitar, (I eventually played in her country rock group) and she was then my girlfriend's mother) . So far as the other boys were concerned the facts speak for themselves. They had a league table of those staff ( Head, deputy, and house masters) who could cane. In terms of the 'hardest' caner Jackie tied with the Headmaster for first place ( he caned very infrequently).She had one saving grace, whilst she might cane hard, she was also seen as having the most pleasant attitude to the culprit, in that she rarely shouted or appeared angry. This was more than offset by her reputation as a fearsome tennis and squash player.....skills she put to good use with the cane .

Because of the sex issue, and it being an all boys school, boys could ask to be caned by a man , and some did to avoid the hardest 'usual' caner. I, of course couldn't , it would have been more than my miserable life was worth!!!! Indeed , again as I've repeated on here before , she was the first member of staff in that school ever to cane me : and she did a damned good job too!

More generally , my primary school only had one male teacher, the deputy Head, and women punished both boys and girls. The headmistress using a Scottish Tawse ( shew hailed from Scotland : and as a concession to attract Scottish teachers 'over the border' in my LEA Heads were allowed to use that instead of the cane if they wished). She did , and she used to belt very hard indeed.

I don't think there is much evidence that women hit any less hard than men, and some substantial indications, as you say that the opposite is true! Anyone with the mistaken impression that being being caned by an attractive 30 some year old woman was a walk in the park , certainly didn't attend my school!

 
 
Batfinch

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

May 27 2011, 10:20 PM 

We had a female teacher who used a wooden pencil case across the bottom of boys she taught in the secondary school I attended.

I did not receive it myself but saw 15 year old boys wallopped with in c1960



 
 

Bob T

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

May 28 2011, 9:44 PM 

Over here in the colonies it is not unusual for women teachers to administer cp to boys or girls these days. TWP is a prime example. When I was in school girls were rarely if ever paddled. It may be that because I didn't have a female teacher after the 4th grade I just escaped that further humiliation.

 
 
John 1

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

May 29 2011, 2:08 PM 

This is a fascinating subject, Edward's account sounds fascinating. I am inclined to think this scenario happened more commonly than girl's being caned. Can someone right some more accounts and when is this most likely to have occurred. Would this be possible in Singapore or Malaysia?

 
 
Rodney Bacon

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

May 29 2011, 2:46 PM 

During WW2 some schools were run almost entirely by female teachers. I would imagine that the caning of troublesome boys by females became accepted after that.

 
 


Female teachers using CP

May 29 2011, 10:48 PM 

UK mixed junior school, 60s & 70s, most of the form teachers were female. Smacks, spankings & the slipper were common in the classroom, administered to both boys and girls. I've mentioned on other threads our headmistress at that time, Mrs.Nettle (yes really) who used cane and slipper. In senior (boys')school most teachers were male, but we did have the stunningly gorgeous Anya, the teenage lad's dream. She was Russian and taught us,er,Russian. She used the strap(the standard implement). Imagine if you will the accent from the TV-ad meerkats ("syimples") telling you to "biend ovr" from an Anna Kournikova loookalike happy.gif [ok ok she was a bit fatter...] .

 
 
OzSchoolboy

Caned by my headmistress.

May 31 2011, 4:27 AM 

During my schooling I received the cane four times, twice in primary school and twice in high school and I can remember being spanked by a female teacher in the very early days (all I remember is going over her knee and looking at the floor). My two primary school canings were administered by the school headmistress, she gave me four strokes on my first visit and six on my last visit. The fact that a woman was going to cane me was not foremost in my thoughts when I was waiting for and during my punishments, all I could think about was how sore I was going to be after my punishments. Most of the primary schools seemed to have headmistresses rather than headmasters and the opposite was the case for the high schools that I knew of. I do think that I was more afraid of receiving the cane in high school because my sister told me that the high school cane was much more painful and had knotches that would pierce your skin but it did not have anything to do with the gender of the teacher giving me the cane.

 
 
John1

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

June 2 2011, 8:35 AM 

There is something hightly erotic about this and it amazes me that more forums don't actually focus on it. Surely there must have been female teachers either not long out of teaching school who were at English public schools who did. Or what about South Africa, Malaysia or Singapore. I there anyway to source this kind of information.

 
 

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

June 3 2011, 5:36 PM 

In my earlier post on this thread I wrote about a former workmate of mine that married one of his teachers in the early 70s, after he had turned 21.

When I was at high school from January 1957 to December 1959, female teachers did not cane boys, they sent them to either the deputy headmaster or the form master if he was a male teacher. It was not until the middle 60s I started to hear of female teachers caning boys. From most of the anecdotal evidence I have gained, female teachers that caned were not that common. My workmate was the only one that I know of. However there was a bit of an outcry in the letters to the editor section of one of the newspapers in NZ, when a letter was written by a mother claiming that her son had been caned at school by a lady teacher.

Ted B

 
 
John1

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

June 4 2011, 1:12 AM 


 
 

Corporal Punishment from Female Teachers

June 4 2011, 12:17 PM 

I posted a long reply to this thread yesterday that seems to have been lost to the ether. I really must learn to take a copy of posts until I am sure they have been delivered. I'll try again.

Infant School 1967-70
All female staff. All teachers gave smacks to hand, backs of legs, over knee on bottom whether in class, in the playground. It was the norm and accepted by all.

More serious offences were sent to the headmistress. Waiting in the corridor outside her office was a horrible feeling. Inside, her office was dingy and smelled of moth balls. She must have been 102 if she was a day. I once saw a plimsoll on her desk and assumed that was the one my friends said she had used on them, but the few occasions I was sent there, I was always let off with a scolding.

One of the boys in my class said she had smacked him with the back of a brush, but no-one believed him. Those who did get smacked by her usually emerged in tears but I suspect that was from the shame rather than the pain. I can not think that she had the strength to cause any real discomfort.

Junior School 1970-72
Young female teachers in both years, I don't recall either of them using corporal punishment of any kind - they would threaten, or indeed send you next door to see the senior master or to the headmaster.

I digress at this point. The senior master taught one of the two eldest classes in the school. He was as mean as they come (except to the girls). A dead eye with the chalk, the chalk duster or anything else he cared to throw (according to my older sister). He had, to my young eyes, an impossibly large plimsoll, with which he punished the boys. He also reputedly had a number of wooden rulers and a long piece of wood off a blackboard or something that he also employed. He punished in front of the class. According to my sister, girls just got a firm, but none too hard hand smack from him while the boys copped an implement from his arsenal. In the playground he would frequently mete out his form of instant justice for the most trivial offence. Anyone talking or moving after the first bell had been rung he would march over, grab hold of them and deliver a series of hard slaps to the backs of the legs; or he'd have you bend over and touch your toes while he smacked your bottom as everyone looked on - though I don't recall ever seeing him do this to the girls. He was clearly enthusiastic about this aspect of his job. Looking back I think of him as an ignorant bully and I am glad I never had him as my teacher - though I must someday ask my parents why they moved me to a middle school after 2 years here.

I should also mention the headmaster because he was another strange case. If you were sent to him you were given the most ineffectual hand spanking ever received. It was more like a pat on the butt, bordering on the perverse. He would also call people out in assembly if they were misbehaving and spank them as I describe below, in front of everyone.

There was one occasion during choir practice, or perhaps it was the elder pupils practising for the school concert by giving a performance to we younger ones. Whatever! A pretty girl in my sisters class was called out by the headmaster (I forget the offence, possibly talking or giggling instead of singing). The headmaster dropped a piece of paper and told her to pick it up, this was his standard routine. She duly obliged and as she bent over, ensuring her legs were kept straight, he delivered a single, inaudible, lame pat to her bottom. Unfazed, she handed him back the paper and returned to her place. I had the impression she had experienced this before. Others, would do things like crouch down to pick up the paper and he would just drop it again and keep repeating this until he had the opportunity to deliver his smack. Once punished by him, you really didn't worry about it at all. Very odd behaviour...!

Middle School (1972 - 74)
All male staff so not relevant. First experienced the cane here from headmaster and only time on my hand. Not pleasant.

Secondary School (1974 - 79)
This would probably have been described as a failing school today. However, the year I joined a new Headmaster started and he instilled a new ethos of discipline in which he, the deputy headmistress (for girls) and two senior masters were allowed to administer the cane. Teachers were also empowered to dish out (reasonable) informal corporal punishment as they saw fit and about half the teachers, male and female would use an assortment of implements to chastise us. Favourite was the plimsoll or similar slipper, followed by long wooden rulers half metre or metre. The woodwork teacher apparently used a piece of wood - no surprise there, and the teacher of the remedial class used a cricket bat and, allegedly, a cricket stump or a football boot - I never believed these latter items but can attest to his ability with his size 12 plimsoll.

Some of the older members of staff revelled in their liberation, the previous headmaster had all but forbidden the use of physical punishment during his tenure. A number of the teachers who joined the school the year I started also seemed more likely to punish than those who had been there for a couple of years, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that this was an unwritten part of his staff selection policy.

I always had much greater respect for the teachers that punished us. I found it hard to respect a teacher who was prepared to let another punish you when unwilling to do so them-self.

During my 5 years at this school, I received corporal punishment from the following female members of staff.


P.E. (Miss W)
Head of the PE department. Nick-named Sergeant-Major (reputedly ex army, but doubtful). Rumoured to slipper boys with a running spike, (untrue - in my experience), Absolute demon with a plimsoll some said they would rather be caned than have the slipper from her. I wouldn't go that far, but it was a close second. Harder than anyone else with a slipper, when we were 11 - 12 she could knock us off our feet if we didn't brace ourselves when bent over.

She dished out nearly all of the punishments during P.E lessons, whether in her office, in the gym or out on the playing fields. Girls were not exempt but, as I recall, were usually punished in her office.


Physics / Maths (Mrs D)
Mrs D taught me physics in the first year and maths in years 2 and 3. I am sure she joined the school the year I did. She was quite petite but was very strict, more so in the first year. I think this was part of the headmaster's policy. The fourth and fifth year were a lost cause, there was hope for the third year, but his disciplinary attention was directed at the first and second years - catch them early so to speak. That's not to say the elder pupils were exempt, far from it. They needed to be deterred from setting a poor example to the younger pupils. But I suspect that there were limited prospects for improving their educational standard.

If you misbehaved in the physics class, Mrs D would have you stand nose to the blackboard, or in the corner, until either the end of the lesson or a convenient break point. You would then be instructed (one at a time) to join her in the prep room while the lab technician supervised the class. In there, after telling you off, she would have you bring a lab stool (I can still remember the green, fake leather covering, with the thin layer of foam seeping out of the splits) to the middle of the room and she would beat you with a wooden ruler. I don't recall many lessons where no-one was punished by her. She later changed to using a plimsoll after breaking numerous rulers.

Girls, if I recall correctly, were kept behind until after the lesson and given the choice between a written imposition or a whacking. I have no knowledge of the breakdown of their choice.

Her punishments were nowhere near as hard as Miss W's (above), but were undoubtedly (consequently?) more frequent.

In years 2 and 3, she taught me maths. She did not have the privacy of the prep room so all punishment was administered at the end of the lesson. Everyone sent out then called back into the room individually, boys first and we had to leave the building before the girls were punished - though I think she still gave them the choice of punishment. If it was just boys being punished, she had us line up noses to the blackboard while she called us back one at a time to be slippered then return to face the blackboard. She held out the threat of double for anyone who looked around, nonetheless we all stole glances.


Art (Name forgotten)
Probably first year. One off incident, wooden ruler wrapped across knuckles while sat at desk. Came as a shock and quite painful.

Biology (Miss W - a different one).
Taught me second and third year. I hated Biology. I was disruptive, took few notes did no homework and failed tests and exams. She did not resort to physical discipline often (usually, written impositions or detentions) but one occasion she gave a group of us the slipper for being in the laboratory unsupervised, during lunch break. I believe that she had to borrow the slipper from her partner who also taught at the school. I guess it was too big for her small hands to wield as it was most ineffectual and most of us laughed afterwards.


Finally:

English (Miss W yes, another one)
Pretty young teacher joined the school in my third year after one of the ancient ones had died. She was a particularly interesting case because I have long harboured a suspicion that she was something of a spanko.

I learned that she had come from teaching at an infant school because one time she threatened to put me over her knee and smack my bottom like she did to the little boys she used to teach.

Another time she asked me a lot of questions about a caning I had received that betrayed an unusual level of interest.

She became more excitedly animated than I had ever seen her on an occasion that she had the opportunity to send me for the cane. In the end she gave me the choice of her giving me the slipper or I could take my chances with being reported to the headmaster.

I got the impression that I was the first pupil she had slippered as she had to send me to borrow a slipper from Mrs D. She didnt tell me in advance how many I was going to get, I dont know whether she had a number in mind or if she continued until she felt I was suitably chastened. She applied the slipper firmly but not forcefully if that makes sense.

Afterwards, her face was probably as flushed as mine and I dont think it was from exertion. I have the feeling she was embarrassed by what she had done or, (probably just my fanciful wishful thinking), that she had derived some secret pleasure from what she had done. I shall never know as she left the school shortly afterwards at the end of the year.

I do know that this punishment had the most profound effect on me as I began to understand that I derived pleasure from physical chastisement.

M.W.

 
 
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Woman the Weaker Vessel?

December 28 2011, 5:56 AM 

Middle Column penultimate story in the second link. Thirty five boys in thirty-five minutes between the ages of 9 though 14.

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Declan

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

December 28 2011, 8:25 AM 

We had a teacher at junior school called Mrs Packer, and due to her frequent use of corporal punishment was known as Packer the Smacker! Her speciality on both boys and girls was the leg slap. This involved lifting up your trouser leg ( short trousers) or skirt ,and smacking you very hard on the side of your thigh. She sometimes used the slipper on older boys , and there was a memorable mass slippewring of eleven year old boys in front of us 8 year olds.

We also had a female teacher , Miss A , who slippered both boys and girls , but very rarely did she put much effort into it , and it didn't hurt much.

Incidentally I looked at this school on Friends Reunited, and almost all references to corporal punishment have been removed. There were some quite good accounts a few years ago.

 
 
Jenny

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

December 28 2011, 10:41 AM 

Hi Declan

Incidentally I looked at this school on Friends Reunited, and almost all references to corporal punishment have been removed. There were some quite good accounts a few years ago.

I've heard of FR doing that before. Do you know if there's any pattern to it? For example, references to girls receiving CP being removed whilst those referring to boys receiving it being left.


 
 
Declan

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

December 28 2011, 11:30 AM 

Jenny

Certainly from my old junior school ( or one of them , I went to two)there is no obvious removal of girls' punishments in favour of retaining boys punishments. There were some accounts by both girls and boys of a teacher who used to put boys over his knee and slipper them. He was after my time , so I don't remember him. I'm sure there was a reference to " Packer the Smacker" though, leg slapping a girl of which I can no longer find. It is a bit worrying though , that this piece of social history is being removed because someone finds these facts unacceptable today. It was only five years ago that these messages wre being posted so I really don't know why they are being edited out now.

As far as I know the few references to corporal punishment at my grammar school have been retained , though none referred to girls.

 
 
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Miss Keith and Miss Rhodes flog Max Caldwell 1941

January 24 2012, 4:13 AM 

The story of the two comely school teachers, one hailed as the Cleopatra of the Ozarks, and their 45-minute flogging with a homemade cat-o-nine-tails of a young husky man.

May 8, 1941

Photo of teachers.

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And the others involved.

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May 11, 1941.

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June 19, 1941.

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September 20, 1941.

Doctor sentenced in flogging case.

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American Way

Woman are Novices in the Art of Whipping?

April 12 2012, 12:12 AM 

A preposterous task for a young girl to whip a fourteen year-old boy? The Sisters of No Mercy were out of the novitiate. sad.gif

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Injudicious punishment. Whatever may be the miraculous truth of the punishment incident which occurred at Sentoua school last week, which Is now being investigated, both by the school authorities and the courts, the injudicious use of corporal punishment is certainly to be deplored.

Is it prudent to give the power of administering this form of punishment to every teacher, male and female, in the public schools? Is it not, on the one hand, a preposterous task for a young girl to whip a fourteen year-old boy, and on the other, is it fair to submit a boy to such punishment at the hands of a woman?

It Is generally conceded that corporal punishment should only be resorted to in extremely aggravating cases, and then it is very doubtful if as many boys are not hardened by it as are softened. Again, if a child has been unruly or insolent, it is a heavy tax on any body's control to administer punishment of this sort without a loss of temper.

Young women, presumably, have had little experience with straps or rods and are novices at the art of whipping; they are very liable to lose all track of the number and severity of their blows. Finally, it is not a pleasant thing to contemplate, that it should be the duty of a young woman in the public schools to whip a boy.

Such punishment, if necessary, should be the province of the male principals. The pending investigation will at all events disclose the looseness and the license with which this serious question is handled in our schools.

 
 
American Way

Plucky Roberta Atkinson unlucky pupils

May 28 2012, 1:27 AM 

Miss Roberta Atkinson, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Plucky Teacher, whips nine husky boys. October 1911.

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Exonerated

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American Way

Miss Roberta Atkinson Supplement

May 28 2012, 12:49 PM 

As often is the case my unearthing leads to a lodestone as in the case, I am not correcting for it is too time consuming.

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ATHLETIC GIRL TEACHER WHALES NINE BIG BOYS Pa be cause she enforced discipline and thrashed nine husky boy scholars In a grand melee Miss Roberta Atkinson may lose her place in the Sandy Greek school near here Several angry farmers have asked the Penn township school board to dismiss the pretty and athletic teacher for whipping their sons She has been offered already several positions at salary in localities where the schoolboys need physical training Miss Roberta has not been long at Sandy Creek The oldest of her scholars taller and stronger than she is deter mined to do as they danged pleased She was kind and patient until Saturday Then the bully of the school was extremely impertinent He wears cowhide boots and homespun clothes and enough to work at Smiling Miss Roberta moved swiftly toward him Swish A brand new rattan whistled down on Ws legs he was too surprised to move before he had received half a dozen strokes of the rattan He tried to seize it ple Miss Roberta wielding her rattan dextrously she kept him at its length on his calves his knckles At first his eight classmates grinned to see bully getting his Then In answer to his howls for help they rushed Miss Roberta Intrenched behind a desk she met them She smote them even as Samson smote the Philistines There was hitting In the clinches and wrestling but after about three minutes of furious combat the brave Miss Roberta remained field J Boys do I she asked smiling forgivingly as she did up her Yees teacher the nine chorused Then be good and there will be no I reason for me to be cross with you again she said Cross Great Scott Td hate to see her real mad whimpered the bully rub his knuckles


 
 
KK

Saving time?

May 28 2012, 11:26 PM 

American Way's rough cut diamonds are not often easily recognised as gems because he saves his time by not cutting or polishing them. I have attempted to cut and polish, for the convenience of readers, but found the raw stone was missing bits.
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As often is the case, my unearthing leads to a lodestone, as in this case. I am not correcting [the OCR text] for it is too time consuming.


Page 25, column 4. Oakland Tribune , January 20, 1912

ATHLETIC GIRL TEACHER WHALES NINE BIG BOYS

Pittsburg Pa

Because she enforced discipline and thrashed nine husky boy scholars in a grand melee, Miss Roberta Atkinson may lose her place in the Sandy Creek school near here. Several angry farmers have asked the Penn township school board to dismiss the pretty and athletic teacher for whipping their sons. She has been offered already several positions at salary in localities where the schoolboys need physical training.

Miss Roberta has not been long at Sandy Creek. The oldest of her scholars, taller and stronger than she, were determined to do as they danged pleased. She was kind and patient until Saturday. Then the bully of the school was extremely impertinent. He wears cowhide boots and homespun clothes and enough to work at .... Smiling, Miss Roberta moved swiftly toward him. Swish! A brand new rattan whistled down on his legs. He was too surprised to move before he had received half a dozen strokes of the rattan. He tried to seize it ...... Miss Roberta, wielding her rattan dexterously, she kept him at its length, .... on his calves his knuckles. At first, his eight classmates grinned to see bully getting his. Then, in answer to his howls for help, they rushed Miss Roberta. Entrenched behind a desk she met them. She smote them even as Samson smote the Philistines. There was hitting in the clinches and wrestling but after about three minutes of furious combat the brave Miss Roberta remained in the field.

"Boys do .... she asked smiling forgivingly as she did up her .... "Yes teacher" the nine chorused. "Then, be good and there will be no reason for me to be cross with you again" she said. "Cross? Great Scott, Id hate to see her real mad" whimpered the bully rubbing his knuckles.


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In the early days it seems switches, rattans etc. were often used to hit anywhere and everywhere. The culprit was not required to present hands, buttocks or other prescribed part.

 
 
American Way

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

May 28 2012, 11:36 PM 

KK Thanks for taking the time. Untitled belongs here. A picture tells a thousand words. Thses stories take a life of their own with one embellishment after another.

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American Way

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

May 29 2012, 12:54 AM 

With the moniker "Beaver Herald" I could not resist. The girls all look mousy don't they? N.B. The boots and the masks on the boy being chastised but in the background is that a boy who has already been whipped? This is all 100 years before Renee.

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Another_Lurker

Those missing words revealed!

May 29 2012, 1:16 AM 

Hi American Way and KK,

A little joint manipulation of the Oakland Tribune Page 25 zoom control and the Chrome browser zoom control shows that the words missing in both your transcriptions are:

Just because she enforced discipline and ....

.... taller and stronger than she is, were determined to do as they danged pleased, b'gosh.

He wears cowhide boots and homespun clothes and is big enough to work at piano moving. Smiling, Miss Roberta moved swiftly toward him. "Swish!" "Swish!" A brand new rattan whistled down on his legs; he was too surprised to move before he had received half a dozen strokes of the rattan. He tried to seize it to grapple Miss Roberta; wielding her rattan dexterously, she kept him at its length, rapping him on his calves, his knuckles, anywhere.

At first, his eight classmates grinned to see bully "getting his". ...... There was hitting in the clinches and catch-as-catch-can wrestling but after about three minutes of furious combat the brave Miss Roberta remained mistress of the field.

"Boys do I win?" she asked, smiling forgivingly as she did up her hair.

"Yes teacher" the nine chorused stammeringly.

Never let it be said that Another_Lurker is obsessive about detail! Perish the thought! happy.gifwink.gifhappy.gif

Characteristic of its time the Oakland Tribune makes extensive use of semi-colons, a form of punctuation now practically extinct. It also paragraphs to a greater extent than might be expected. The account in the second link American Way has provided has some additional detail, but omits the description of the 'battle'.

 
 
American Way

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

May 29 2012, 1:45 AM 

Ethel Snyder is no Roberta Atkinson. Petite but is her hair red? Hmm. wink.gif

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KK

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

May 29 2012, 2:03 AM 

Schoolma'm whips husky boys


From The Tenas Gazette (1911)

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KK

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

May 29 2012, 7:31 AM 

My dear and esteemed Another_Lurker,

What a wierd sense humour you have. Fancy saying "Never let it be said that Another_Lurker is obsessive about detail! Perish the thought! .

What an absurd, ludicrous and outrageous suggestion! Give me the names of the #!x~@^ who have hinted such and I will DEAL with them in a, shall we say, emphatic way. I do hope your recent encouter with paddle-wielding rad heads has not unhinged unsettled you.

 
 
American Way

Diana of Devils Den

July 14 2012, 3:56 AM 

Diana of Devils Den. 1892 Nineteen year old schoolmarm corporally chastises boys older than herself.

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Miss Galloway

July 18 2012, 9:18 PM 

In infants and junior school we had a few female teachers who would spank unruly girls and boys...the worst be miss galloway who used to pull you to the front of class and hand spank kids over her knee,if you were very naughty she would put you in the corner til class ended then she would bare bottom spank you bent over her knee....very painful

 
 

Caned by woman teacher

August 15 2012, 2:06 PM 

Not sure if this counts but my brother and I were caned occasionally in our teens by our lady maths tutor at her house where we attended private classes on Saturday mornings and during school holidays. We were pupils there from age 12 to 16 and we were both caned up to age 16 on our hands using a leather strap and covered buttocks using a cane.

At the time I assumed that our parents knew this was happening but some years later when it came up in conversation they said they never knew we had been punished this way and would have objected and withdrawn us from classes.

 
 
hcj

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 15 2012, 5:53 PM 

Claire Mansa wrote:

Not sure if this counts but my brother and I were caned occasionally in our teens by our lady maths tutor at her house where we attended private classes on Saturday mornings and during school holidays. We were pupils there from age 12 to 16 and we were both caned up to age 16 on our hands using a leather strap and covered buttocks using a cane.

At the time I assumed that our parents knew this was happening but some years later when it came up in conversation they said they never knew we had been punished this way and would have objected and withdrawn us from classes.


Hello Claire! I think your experience definitely counts and is an interesting aspect of corporal punishment. May I ask you some questions to help complete the picture?

Would you mind telling us the approximate years that this was happening and the relative ages of you and your brother?

You said the punishments happened "occasionally"; was this, say, two or three times in a year, or more often?

Can you give us an idea of the reasons why the tutor punished you and whether it was just one or two strokes or something more severe?

Were you and your brother treated with equal severity?

Sorry for all the questions, but one final one - did either of you end up as successful mathematicians? happy.gif


 
 
Alan Turing

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 16 2012, 6:28 AM 

Sorry for all the questions, but one final one - did either of you end up as successful mathematicians? happy.gif

? happy.gif

 
 

Answers to your questions

August 16 2012, 7:08 PM 

Hello HCJ and Alan Turing

Answers

(1) Period of tuition

This was from 1977 to 1981.

(2) Our ages

My brother and I are twins.

(3) Frequency of punishment

I recall we received corporal punishment about once every two or three months. For some reason it seemed to happen more often in the school holidays than during term. Maybe we were more relaxed during the holidays although we still had to attend classes in our school uniform which we disliked intensely during holidays as you never saw other children in their uniforms.

(4) Reasons for punishment

It was nearly always for poor work and not for disobedience and misbehaviour (although we were punished a few times for this during the four years we were pupils).

Our tutor tested us at the end of each week and monthly and if we did badly we were punished. Obviously we had a strong incentive to work hard. My brother scored more highly in these tests and so was caned less.

(3) Level of punishment

It was directly related to how badly we did in the tests. I was caned on my backside with my knickers on three times because I scored miserably as I had done no work beforehand. On the hands was the normal practice and that was usually four strokes divided between each hand. I think I once got three on each hand.

(4) We both passed the O Level GCE in maths but my brother did better than me.

(5) Neither of us ended up as mathematicians. I did Arts subjects at A Level.

Hope this answers your questions but please ask more if you wish.

Claire

PS

Not sure if 'Alan Turing' wanted to know more. Sadly we never found maths as easy as the real Mr Turing but then he was a genius.




 
 
hcj

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 16 2012, 9:17 PM 

Thank you for the comprehensive reply Claire, that is very interesting.

My reason for the last question was basically to ask "did it work"?

You said it provided a strong incentive to work hard and I have come across other instances where the use of corporal punishment for failure in tests appears to have had a positive effect on results. However in your cases, after what amounts to twenty or more punishments, it seems to have been more a cause of resentment than encouragement.

For interest only, can you give us an idea of what your tutor was like - age, type of school she worked in, English or perhaps Scottish as she used a strap? (Maybe hand strapping was chosen as it was less likely to leave visible marks?)

She seems to have had a need to prove she was in control, especially in requiring you to attend in school uniform. It is strange that your parents were never informed of the shortcomings in your progress over a four year period. Had they been aware of what she was doing to you, they should have urgently found a different tutor.

I am aware of another instance of a tutor in the UK using corporal punishment, but it that case it was only on rare occasions and with the explicit consent and at the request of the parent, a single mother.

I think Alan Turing's comment was in the nature of a private joke. I'm sure he will come back and ask any other questions as he needs to. Incidentally, like his namesake, I assure you he is also a genius!

 
 
Alan Turing

Private joke

August 17 2012, 6:13 AM 

My erstwhile neighbour hcj is of course right about the joke. In fact I'm on my travels again in central Europe at a maths conference, and so my access to the internet might be a little erratic.

My question to Claire is: how did you find out about this Forum?

 
 
ClaireMansa

Further comments

August 17 2012, 12:24 PM 

HCJ,

Yes, I think it did work as we managed to get through our Maths O levels. However, our tutor undoubtedly applied higher standards as time went on so that we were punished for test results that would not have warranted punishment say a year earlier. She became more demanding and expected us to do better. We were, to use the current jargon applied to exam results, the victims of "punishment inflation".

The lady was English and I imagine in her 40s or 50s. I think she was a full time tutor and did not teach in a school as this was never mentioned. She seemed rather old to us but then children often think adults look ancient which they do compared to themselves. I feel sure the strap was used as it did not mark the palm of the hand whereas a cane can be applied to the buttocks.

On the point about our parents not knowing, I think that they knew perfectly well that we were beaten but that when it came up in conversation some years later they were too embarrassed to admit it. Both our parents believed in the use of corporal punishment and my brother and I were smacked and spanked, albeit not often, until we were 13. They were kept fully informed of our test results and I find it hard to believe that they had not agreed to our being punished when these were poor.

Equally, I imagine that our tutor was also a firm believer in CP and used it on her other pupils presumably with the implicit or explicit consent of the parents. She was not a sadist but reflected the views of many teachers and parents at that time that school children should be strapped and caned as required.

I posted another question last night as to the legal situation on this treatment in today's environment. Namely that if parents employ a private tutor and request that the tutor uses CP on their children and the tutor agrees would this be legal? Would there have to be agreement from the pupil as well?

Claire



 
 
hcj

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 17 2012, 2:29 PM 

Thanks for the information, Claire.

In the earlier post I wrote:

I am aware of another instance of a tutor in the UK using corporal punishment, but it that case it was only on rare occasions and with the explicit consent and at the request of the parent, a single mother.

I have since found out that this is incorrect. I understand the mother, knowing that he had punished her son at school, requested the tutor to punish him at home for something unconnected with his tuition. He declined to do so, believing it to be inappropriate.

I'm sorry, I should have checked this before writing.

 
 
stephenhutchings

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 17 2012, 3:33 PM 

In the primary school i attended all the staff were female,this was in the sixties when c.p was a regular occurance at school as well as at home. Girls as well as boys were punished in front of the class, pupils of both sexes had there hands slapped quite regularly,the more severe punishments were administered to the bottom, girls and boys were bent over the teachers knee and soundly spanked,one of the main offences was talking in class usually after a warning was given at the start of a lesson of the consequences of talking. The culprits, and it was normally two were called to the front,the teacher would bring her chair to the front of the class order one of the miscreants over her knee,she would then address the class
"THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO CHILDREN WHO DISOBEY AND TALK IN CLASS,LET THIS BE A LESSON TO ALL OF YOU" or words very similar to that i cant remember the exact words,she would then spank the unfortunate victim hard,the noise echoed around the classroom the sound of her hand connecting with trousers or skirt and the wails of the victim.I think most of us in that class got spanked at least once,it was mostly boys who got another dose but there were one or two girls who were regulars,i can recall at least four spankings at my time in primary school,and i think i cried through them all

 
 
Alan Turing

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 17 2012, 4:46 PM 

ClaireMansa asked:

I posted another question last night as to the legal situation on this treatment in today's environment. Namely that if parents employ a private tutor and request that the tutor uses CP on their children and the tutor agrees would this be legal? Would there have to be agreement from the pupil as well?

It is not legal.

Corporal punishment of the nature described, with a cane or a strap, is normally assault causing actual bodily harm (ABH). It always has been; but in the past there was a defence of "reasonable chastisement" of a child by a parent and therefore by a teacher acting "in loco parentis". This defence was abolished by the Children Act 2004, so that anyone hitting a child in a way that results in anything more than temporary minor reddening of the skin can be prosecuted for ABH. As this includes the parents, it is not possible for a parent to give someone else permission to cane a child. Furthermore, the child is legally a minor and so cannot (I believe) give permission in the way that adults can agree to hurt each other (for instance in boxing, or in BDSM).

Incidentally, Claire, did you see my question enquiring how this Forum came to your notice?

 
 
ClaireMansa

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 18 2012, 3:44 PM 

HCJ / Alan Touring

I came across the website by chance. I had not heard of it from anyone else. I think I was carrying out a google search and it came up and looked interesting. This was some months ago and I have a few times since then looked at the site but only posted for the first time this week.

On the subject of smacking / canning by a tutor. If the punishment only reddens the skin temporarily, say for a few minutes, would this not allow a smack on the legs, for example.

Also, if the pupil undergoing tuition were past his or her 18th birthday and agreed to be corporally punished would this be legal? For example, a girl or boy of 18 having tuition to re-sit A levels where the parents want the tutor to have the option of corporal punishment if they do not work hard enough and the pupil accepts that this sanction should be used.

Claire

 
 
Alan Turing

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 19 2012, 5:44 AM 

A smack leaving temporary minor reddening would be legal. Above the age of 18, a pupil is an adult and can consent to receive corporal punishment, provided that the consent is not given under coercion; the consent can be withdrawn at any time, even when a punishment is about to start. (At least, I believe that to be the case.)

 
 
ClaireMansa

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 20 2012, 9:24 PM 

Alan,

Thank you for your clarification.

I do not have a particular circumstance in mind but it seems that a pupil over 18 could be caned by his or her tutor. It must be rare even when the tutor and pupil are in full agreement about the need for corporal punishment.

Claire

 
 
j

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 21 2012, 10:40 AM 

Claire Mansa wrote:

I do not have a particular circumstance in mind but it seems that a pupil over 18 could be caned by his or her tutor. It must be rare even when the tutor and pupil are in full agreement about the need for corporal punishment.

It is an interesting thought, Claire, but I think there are very few situations where it could work successfully.

For corporal punishment to work, it has to be aversive. The relationship between the tutor and the pupil has to have an element of disapproval, bordering on anger, when the performance is unsatisfactory. The prospect of punishment must be undesirable enough that the pupil feels the need to avoid it. I suggest this is difficult to achieve when there is a consensual element.

Many years ago, when I was at college, I carried out some quasi-scientific experiments with friends to discover why some of our school canings seemed to hurt much more than others. We found out lots of interesting things about the effects of different sizes of cane, how the cane was applied and so on. However, the one thing we could never simulate was the sort of antagonistic relationship that exists between an angry headmaster and an errant pupil, which seems to be a significant part of being punished.

I suspect the more effective route is for the relationship between tutor and older pupil to be so good, that the pupil feels remorse if he or she lets down the tutor by not performing adequately.


 
 
hcj

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 21 2012, 10:44 AM 

I don't quite know the reason for my truncated signature, but the above post was mine!

 
 
KK

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 21 2012, 7:45 PM 

The notion of voluntary forfeits in groups of equals or near equals is well established. For example, I might agree to take punishment or to incur a penalty if I fail to achieve an agreed goal in order to provide myself with extra encouragement. Such an arrangement might well be agreed between a tutor and their student, or a sports coach and team members.

An example of this sort of thing is available on Corpun.com here: Unofficial slippering of army lad.

Punishments and penalties work best when all parties accept them as reasonable and deserved.

 
 
ClaireMansa

An interesting scenario

August 22 2012, 8:05 PM 

Dear HCJ,

I take your point. If it is consensual corporal punishment then it is not real corporal punishment. Or is it?

When I was punished by my lady tutor in a way it was consensual as I could have strenuously refused and told my parents that I would not tolerate being strapped or caned. But - I didn't. I put up with it. Why? I suppose because in those days teachers used CP and children - even older children such as my brother and I - accepted it. Maybe I also felt it was deserved because I had not worked hard enough.

It is difficult to know but at 16 I still thought of myself as a child and not an adult and therefore did not rebel against authority and accepted punishments for misbehavior or poor work.

Who knows?

Claire

 
 
hcj

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 22 2012, 10:59 PM 

Claire, it is an interesting conversation. You have given me much to think about!

There is indeed a difference between consensual punishment and acceptance of a deserved punishment from someone whose authority you respect.

I sometimes felt annoyed with some of those people who punished me at school, at least for a time, but I cannot recall a situation when I can honestly say it was unjustified.


 
 
Greg

Paddled by a female teacher

August 23 2012, 1:06 PM 

I was paddled by a female teacher during my junior
year in high school. The punishment was administered for
talking in class after I had been reprimanded before.
I had to bend over in the hallway and received 3 swats
across the seat.
This happened in Texas in 1992.

 
 
hcj

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 23 2012, 2:02 PM 

Hi Greg!

You tell us that you were paddled by a female teacher during your junior year in high school. May I ask a few questions?

Can you tell us how old you were at the time?
How did you feel about it being done by a female rather than a male teacher?
Do you think it was right for you to be paddled for talking in class?
Were you paddled on any other occasions by male teachers?
If so, how did it compare? Did you find it more acceptable?

Thank you for sharing your experience.

 
 
Erica

Disturbing ......

August 26 2012, 9:12 PM 

Hi

I think all sorts of bad stuff went on in schools pre 1970.
An older guy I know told me that as an eight year old, he was taken out of the changing room showers and spanked - naked across his female teacher's knee for fighting.
His mum found out about it two days later - and as a result, did the same to him. She then wrote a letter to the teacher apologising for her son's disgraceful behaviour and thanking her for spanking him in front of everyone!
He says school spankings were a normal and totally acceptable thing in those days.
CP was banned in schools in England about the same time I started going - so I never saw any of this go on. I'm just thankful times have changed.


 
 
hcj

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

August 26 2012, 11:44 PM 

Erica was told by an older person that:

...as an eight year old, he was taken out of the changing room showers and spanked - naked across his female teacher's knee...

I'm sorry, Erica, I think your friend's story is slightly exaggerated. Pre-1970, there were few, if any, primary schools that had changing rooms, let alone showers, that would be used by of eight year old children. Just think of the problem supervising a class of children of that age in such a situation.

Female teachers did smack children, often, but to do so in front of others with a child naked would be exceptionally unusual.

To be smacked on the bare legs in front of others, when wearing short trousers, was not only very likely, but almost inevitable!








 
 
Greg

paddeld by a female teacher

September 2 2012, 1:52 PM 

Hi hcj!

Your questions answered :

1) Can you tell us how old you were at the time? I was 16 years old.

2) How did you feel about it being done by a female rather than a male teacher?

It was a more embarrassing but did not really make a difference. Paddlings were a frequent occurrence in our school at the time. Both male and female teachers used the paddle to uphold classromm discipline. So it was not uncommon to hear the sound of "licks" echoe through the hall. So was the fact that female teachers paddled boys.

3) Do you think it was right for you to be paddled for talking in class?

Yes, as I was a "chatterbox". I had it coming wink.gif

4) Were you paddled on any other occasions by male teachers?
If so, how did it compare? Did you find it more acceptable?

I was paddled by the principal and male teachers on several occasions. Regardless if the paddler was male or female, it always stung. Although I remember that paddlings administered by the principal were the worst. He gave up to five swats. Paddling was just a part of our school life and we accepted it. I was also spanked at home and so were most of my friends.
That´s the way life worked in rural East Texas back then.


 
 
hcj

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

September 2 2012, 8:26 PM 

Greg,

Thank you for your interesting replies. From what you say, it seems that corporal punishment, unpleasant though it was at the time, wasn't a major issue for you and you have not expressed any great resentment about being paddled at the age of sixteen, or by a woman.

Some people have very bad memories of corporal punishment in school. Others just accepted it was one of those things that happened if you stepped out of line and managed to cope with the experience without too much distress.

You have said that paddlings by the Principal were the worst. Was that just because there were more strokes or were they harder? Did the Principal use a different sort of paddle?

 
 
Stupot

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

September 4 2012, 1:44 PM 

Although this is the opposite of the title of this thread, I hope you will allow me to relate an anecdote regarding men corporally punishing girls. My reason is not to change the subject, but to expand the experiences eloquently raised by Claire, ie being spanked by a home tutor.

Some 20 or more years ago, my wife and I were discussing whether to employ a tutor for our son, who was finding his GCSE work a little hard. Out of nothing she explained that when she was studying for her 11+, she was often ill and missed a lot of school. As a result her parents got hold of a local schoolteacher in East London, who also did home tutoring. She even told me his name - ERIC WILDMAN! Now, regular contributors here will know all about him, he has been discussed at length. Remember, my wife has no interst whatsoever in cp/spanking, be it consensual or otherwise, and at the time had no knowledge of my secret fantasies.

Well, EW came to her house once a week and always brought with him a long tube. Inside the tube was a cane. On a number of occasions this was used on my wife if her work was not up to scratch, although apparently it was done mostly, but not always, in jest, just a few gentle pats, but usually on the bottom. However hard I tried, I could never elicit any more information, without giving my game away.

The subject only ever came up once again, some years later. We were at her parents and the talk again got round to getting a tutor. She asked her parents if they remembered Mr Wildman and his little tricks to encourage good work. My ears (and other things!) pricked up at this. She said that he had a very humourous way of teaching slow infant pupils to learn their sums. Apparently, he used to bring his dog (I'll call him Spot) round to their homes. He would then ask the boy or girl for example "what is 4 + 2"? If there was hesitation he said "Spot, what is 4+ 2"? The dog went "woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof." As soon as he reached the correct number, Wildman shoved a dog biscuit into Spot's mouth! "See, even Spot knows the right answer, so I am sure you should!" I then whispered to my wife, what about the way he dealt with older pupils if they made mistakes"? She immediately told me to "shush", and shook her head, with a furtive glance at her parents. So, it would seem that they never knew of the fact their daughter had been caned by Eric, all those years before.

Finally, as a result of my wife's admission, I put the story out in a cp magazine that was in print at the time, and I must have received more than a dozen replies from people of both sexes who had been taught by him, using more or less the same methods.

 
 
American Way

Re: Caned by woman teacher

January 6 2013, 10:59 PM 

Canadian Schoolmarm. July 16, 1877

I have whipped a booby soundly, which pleasure cost only three dollars and a half.

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An independent little Canadian schoolmarm snubbed one of her big scholars who tried to make love to her, and because he retaliated by disturbing the school, she gave him a sound flogging. His parents sued her, and recovered 3dol. 50c. damages. The next day the girl opened school by saying "I have whipped a booby soundly, which pleasure cost me 3dol. 50c. Now, if any others of my scholars desire to imitate him, they will have the kindness to step forward, receive the money and the flogging, and we will go on with our studies. I am here to instruct you,' and not to be courted." She retains the school, and is the most popular girl in town.

Also found here.

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American Way

Miss Mildred Doran

February 18 2013, 6:00 PM 

The spanking schoolmarm and air pioneer 1927. Miss Mildred Doran and Richard Goodall (the most spanked boy in her class).

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Mildred Doran. So young and adventurists.

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History has a sad way of repeating itself six decades later. Christa McAuliffe. One of America's finest.

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KK

Not SCP but too good to ignore

March 4 2013, 1:16 AM 

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Another_Lurker

That tennis racquet spanking.

March 4 2013, 11:41 PM 

It is possible that I am not the only person intrigued by the context of the illustration posted above by my greatly esteemed fellow contributor KK.

It transpires that this is not an actual punitive situation, but an imaginary one which arises from the author's dismissal of tennis as a sport for his attention when his experience of yachting proves rather too alarming.

His motives for dismissing tennis are not very worthy I am afraid! He considers that women are too good at at it, and that he:

could stand being licked by another man, but the idea of facing one of those sinewy young-lady champions whose stalwart face looks out at you from the sporting page is repellent to me.

Also that:

Suppose you were hooked up for life to a lady champion and you happened to displease her? She'd spank you! Think of being laid face downward firmly across a sinewy knee and beaten forty-love with one of those hard catgut rackets! The very suggestion is intolerable to a believer in the supremacy of the formerly sterner sex.

And hence the illustration!

This link and the text either side of the illustration will reveal all. It may be worth noting that Assistant Principal Renee states here that the paddle she deploys in her Middle School weighs little more than a tennis racquet, so the illustration might be said to be a forerunner of the virtual conference room experience! happy.gif

 
 
de Wolf

Re: boys corporally punished by women teachers

March 5 2013, 12:14 AM 

Hi Another_Lurker,

Being licked by another player, irrespective of sex should give the incentive to do much better the next time.

 
 
Pete1951

Punished many times by female teachers

October 30 2013, 4:23 PM 

I have just joined and found this post. I can admit to being a boy who got caned and slippered by female teachers in both primary and boarding school.

When I was at primary school I received the cane and the slipper on numerous occasions. I got the cane on the hands in front of my classmates in primary school and also got caned on the hands by the deputy headmistress in private. My deputy headmistress was the most painful caner in primary school. She could ensure that the wait was terrifying and the lecture before frightening. Then she would flex the cane several times before tapping my hand. She would hit my hand right across the finger tips with at least one stroke so the whole hand hurt. She also had a method of flicking the cane slightly just before it struck my hand and this seemed to enhance the pain factor.

I also received the slipper in front of the class at primary school from several female teachers. That was embarrassing being in front of the whole class and the girls giggling as I got bent over and whacked.

I was sent to boarding school at age 11 and it was there that I got caned by my dorm teacher Mrs F. She was responsible for most of my canings in my five years there. In the first 2 years I was caned over my pyjamas in front of my mates in the dorm immediately before bed. For the last 3 years it was on the bare. The most I got was six of the best from her. All of these punishments were witnessed by matron. It was always a restless night after a caning trying to sleep on my front. Mrs F was the only female teacher in the school and certainly gave her fair share of canings.


 
 
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