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Do you think the schools are worse now than when CP was used? I mean were children better educated then? Or were there below standard schools then?

I think the discipline was most effective in matters of work.
ie handing in homework on time,getting things right.
It created the atmosphere that these things MATTERED.
Nowadays they do not seem to which is why degrees etc are so undervalued.
As regards discipline controlling behaviour I am less certain.
Kids will dare each other and not care for the consequences good or bad.

I think schools of the past educated in a more practical useful way and prepared one for real life.
Even in my "sink estate" sec mod everyone left being able to do the three Rs.
Modern schools seem to fail on the basics while attempting to go beyond the basics in the hope of finding a few accedemics.
As for discipline we were not allowed to fail, we all did our best.
Not realy from fear of punishment, more for fear of appearing thick.
No AHDS excuses.

I am just trying to understand why some of the schools are preferred over others. Is it the quality of the teachers? Do some schools pay their teachers more so they attract the best?

If parents are willing to pay huge amounts to these placement specialists, there must be a reason. Are these schools better funded?

Here in the states schools are funded by local real estate and personal property taxes. So if you live in a high valued area your schools are better funded because of more taxes paid. If you live in a poor area the schools struggle to pay their teachers and other bills. That's why many parents will be driving 10 year old cars and living in small houses in very nice neighborhoods just so their kids get a good education.

Uk schools are financed under a number of complicated formulas.

Pupil nos and their ages in one factor.

School building Area is another.

Most of the funding is Government provided but channelled via local authorities.

Schools have reputations bassed mostly on results however these can be misleading as they only reflect the catchment area of the school. What happens is that teachers are attracted to these schools so it becomes more difficult to attract good teachers to schools lower down the list.

There is a depriavtion allowance in funding which helps.

As you would expect behavior effects the standard of learning and where you have disrutive pupils standards tend to be lower. The problem partly lays with parents who do not know how to install discipline from a very early age. A number of parenting classes have been established but problem parents do not tend to be attracted.

The problem is that punishment options for parents are limited and children know it but I think we know that

It has been my experience that parents who are too busy with their own lives to pay attention to their children are the ones who have unruly kids.

BOB

In your youth, were most mothers at home or at work?

My Mum was bringing me up until age 9,at which stage she got a part-time office job. Mums nearly always ended work when they became Mums then.

And, of course,most of them were married to Dad,too!!

I've always been convinced that if there IS a lack of discipline in today's kids(as opposed to a looser carefree attitude), then the disintegration of the nuclear family, and Mum's emergence from the washing tub to the office & boardroom has a lot to do with it.

I've also worked under a number of female bosses(no, not in THAT sense!!) in the Civil Service. Most of them have treated me(Quite correctly!) like a big kid at times,but you have to wonder if that attitude would have been better used on their own children?


Steve M

What people sense but dont understand is that the rewards of schools operate on different plateau especially private schools
You only get one crack at it in life and your formative years are very important in your overall life experience.
On the first plateau we have basic common sense like dont point rifles as people when loaded in the CCF!
Then we enter a higher plateau-poetry literature drama.These things bring out the sensitive nature and encourage finer emotions and feelings that are entirely lacking in brutal state school.
the inner self is challenged.
Then we go onto an even higher plateau eg morning chapel-religious questions,marches in the hills of Snowdon,bonfires,flags,drums etc.These things are calculated to and bring out all sorts of wierd experiences in a young individual as The Founders of The Hitler Youth well knew.
It is likley that young Horace will then enter the advanced world of The University and an even higher plateau.
Perhaps he will sink into self searching questions of self identitiy,the meaning of life etc as he studies the writings and history of all humanity?
Perhaps his search will lead him to experiment with mind opening drugs?He may grow his hair long and adopt strange thinking and wierd fantasies as he explores "beatnik"concepts and literature as part of his "course" in security with the approval of the liberal university authorities.
Something a leave school at 16 factory apprentice cannot possibly hope to do.
If chosen he may eventually experience an epithany a relevation seeing the light?
You see the rewards of education and its journey are many and varied and not always in the syllabus!

It all went wrong with the bl^^dy labour party and giving females the vote.
Domesticity suits women because they have small feet so they can fit behind the sink easier.

MIMI

Fact:-if voting had been reserved for men,Labour would have been in power continually since 1924-shame they haven't been in my view.

Fact:-women over 30 got the vote in 1918-PM? that well-known Welsh Liberal lounge-lizard,Dafyd Lloyd-George, whose silver tongue was apparently well-used for things other than oratory.

Fact:-women 21 & over got the vote in 1928-PM? that well-known creepy Conservative Stanley "Mr Personality" Baldwin,whose great deeds including smashing the miners in the General Strike, and forcing Edward VIII out of office.

The trouble with women-threefold. They can't make a decent cup of coffee to save their lives;they can't park in a confined space without making a Mini seem like a 64-tonne juggernaut;they don't have a clue about how the offside rule works.

Two of these are forgiveable at least.


Steve M

It has long been my opinion that the beginning of the end of the traditional family came when the birth control pill was invented. This allowed women to delay marriage and child birth. They went to college and/or got a job.

Then along came womens lib. Demanding equal rights and equal pay. Employers simply began paying everyone less and giving jobs that were done by men to women. Suddenly it took two incomes to raise a family.

The final nail in the families coffin was legal abortion. I am sure there were other factors, but those three things take most of the blame.

Steve

Why would the SENSIBLE SPECIES (women) make such a stupid rule!!!! where you can sometimes be in an offside position and STILL not be offside! Despite the fact the rule has been changed from time to time you MEN are still are unable to get through a weekend without disputing and arguing at the refs decision.

And for the OTHER WONDERFUL GENTS on this forum that think women should return to bygone days and behave in the manner below I have only one thing to say - Never!!!! Next you’ll be expecting to spank us

The Good Wife's Guide
From Housekeeping Monthly, 13 May, 1955.


·Have dinner ready. Plan ahead, even the night before, to have a delicious meal ready on time for his return. This is a way of letting him know that you have be thinking about him and are concerned about his needs. Most men are hungry when they get home and the prospect of a good meal is part of the warm welcome needed.

·Prepare yourself. Take 15 minutes to rest so you'll be refreshed when he arrives. Touch up your make-up, put a ribbon in your hair and be fresh-looking. He has just been with a lot of work-weary people.

·Be a little gay and a little more interesting for him. His boring day may need a lift and one of your duties is to provide it.

·Clear away the clutter. Make one last trip through the main part of the house just before your husband arrives. Run a dustcloth over the tables.

·During the cooler months of the year you should prepare and light a fire for him to unwind by. Your husband will feel he has reached a haven of rest and order, and it will give you a lift too. After all, catering to his comfort will provide you with immense personal satisfaction.

·Minimize all noise. At the time of his arrival, eliminate all noise of the washer, dryer or vacuum. Encourage the children to be quiet.

·Be happy to see him.

·Greet him with a warm smile and show sincerity in your desire to please him.

·Listen to him. You may have a dozen important things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time. Let him talk first - remember, his topics of conversation are more important than yours.

·Don't greet him with complaints and problems.

·Don't complain if he's late for dinner or even if he stays out all night. Count this as minor compared to what he might have gone through at work.

·Make him comfortable. Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or lie him down in the bedroom. Have a cool or warm drink ready for him.

·Arrange his pillow and offer to take off his shoes. Speak in a low, soothing and pleasant voice.

·Don't ask him questions about his actions or question his judgment or integrity. Remember, he is the master of the house and as such will always exercise his will with fairness and truthfulness. You have no right to question him.

·A good wife always knows her place.

Ketta (who follows none of the above)

KETTA

Nice to have you back-but the offside rule wasn't the one possibly unforgiveable!

After all, as Danny Blanchflower once said about the offside rule(old style)"If someone isn't seeking to gain an advantage,what the hell are they doing on a football pitch?"

This was the man for the soundbite;asked if Northern Ireland had any plans to deal with meeting then reigning Champions,West Germany,in the 1958 World Cup Finals, his instant retort:-"Yes, we plan to equalize before they score".

1955 was a great year in some years-Smoky Joe's Cafe,by the Robins from that very year is playing as I type. I imagine you have your husband well-trained-as you probably know,it's rather the same with Sarah & I!!


Steve M

Well Ok then lets have a vote on it
youll find there are 3 categories:
1)People who like the sound of caning but have never seen it
2)People who arent sure
3)people who have given
4)peep who have received

Set up a block in public and adminster 6 of the best to a hired dummy

let everyone vote