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April 17 2008 at 2:20 PM
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Page last updated at 11:13 GMT, Thursday, 17 April 2008 12:13 UK
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Innocent photographer or terrorist?

A photographer


By Tom Geoghegan
BBC News Magazine

Misplaced fears about terror, privacy and child protection are preventing amateur photographers from enjoying their hobby, say campaigners.

Phil Smith thought ex-EastEnder Letitia Dean turning on the Christmas lights in Ipswich would make a good snap for his collection.

The 49-year-old started by firing off a few shots of the warm-up act on stage. But before the main attraction showed up, Mr Smith was challenged by a police officer who asked if he had a licence for the camera.

After explaining he didn't need one, he was taken down a side-street for a formal "stop and search", then asked to delete the photos and ordered not take any more. So he slunk home with his camera.

Phil Smith
To be pulled out of a crowd is very daunting and I wasn't aware of my rights
Phil Smith

"People were still taking photos with mobile phones and pocket cameras, so maybe it was because mine looked like a professional camera with a flash on top," he says.

"I wasn't very pleased because I was taken through the crowd and through the barriers at the front and people were probably thinking 'I wonder what he was doing.'

"To be pulled out of a crowd is very daunting and I wasn't aware of my rights.

"It's a sad state of affairs today if an amateur photographer can't stand in the street taking photographs."

'Crazy' officials

But he's not the only snapper to fall foul of the authorities while innocently pursuing a hobby or working.

Austin Mitchell
There's a general alarm about terrorism and about paedophiles, two heady cocktails
Austin Mitchell MP

Austin Mitchell MP has tabled a motion in the Commons that has drawn on cross-party support from 150 other MPs, calling on the Home Office and the police to educate officers about photographers' rights.

Mr Mitchell, himself a keen photographer, was challenged twice, once by a lock-keeper while photographing a barge on the Leeds to Liverpool canal and once on the beach at Cleethorpes.

"There's a general alarm about terrorism and about paedophiles, two heady cocktails, and police and PCSOs [police community support officers] and wardens and authorities generally seem to be worried about this."

Photographers have every right to take photos in a public place, he says, and it's crazy for officials to challenge them when there are so many security cameras around and so many people now have cameras on phones. But it's usually inexperienced officers responsible.

"If a decision is made to crack down on photographers, it should be made at the top. It's a general officiousness and a desire to interfere with people going about their legitimate business."

Furtive photos

Steve Carroll was another hapless victim of this growing suspicion. Police seized the film from his camera while he was out taking snaps in a Hull shopping centre. They later returned it but a police investigation found they had acted correctly because he appeared to be taking photographs covertly.

Be aware of people taking photos - the Met's latest campaign.

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And photography enthusiast Adam Jones has started an online petition on the Downing Street website urging the prime minister to clarify the law. It has gained hundreds of supporters.

He says it has become increasingly difficult to take photos in public places because of terrorism fears.

Holidaymakers to some overseas destinations will be familiar with this sort of attitude - travel guides frequently caution readers that innocently posing for a snapshot outside a government building could lead to some stern questions from local law enforcers.

But in Britain this sort of attitude is new. So what is the law?

"If you are a normal person going about your business and you see something you want to take a picture of, then you are fine unless you're taking picture of something inherently private," says Hanna Basha, partner at solicitors Carter-Ruck. "But if it's the London Marathon or something, you're fine."

Everyone in the photographic world has become so concerned we're mounting campaigns
Stewart Gibson
Bureau of Freelance Photographers

There are also restrictions around some public buildings, like those involved in national defence.

Child protection has been an issue for years, says Stewart Gibson of the Bureau of Freelance Photographers, but what's happened recently is a rather odd interpretation of privacy and heightened fears about terrorism.

"They [police, park wardens, security guards] seem to think you can't take pictures of people in public places. It's reached a point where everyone in the photographic world has become so concerned we're mounting campaigns and trying to publicise this."

It seems to be increasing, he says.

"There's a great deal of paranoia around but the police are on alert for anything that vaguely resembles terrorism. It's difficult because the more professional a photographer, paradoxically, the more likely they are to be stopped or questioned.

"If people were using photos for terrorism purposes they would be using the smallest camera possible."

Complaint

The National Union of Journalists has staged a demo to highlight how media photographers are wrongly challenged by police.

In May last year, Thames Valley Police overturned a caution issued to photographer Andy Handley of the MK News in Milton Keynes, after he took pictures at the scene of a road accident.

Guidelines agreed between senior police and the media were adopted by all forces in England and Wales last year. They state that police have no power to prevent the media taking photos.

They state that "once images are recorded, [the police] have no power to delete or confiscate them without a court order, even if [the police] think they contain damaging or useful evidence."

And in the case of Phil Smith, an official complaint about the Christmas lights incident helped sort matters out. Not only did he receive a written apology from Suffolk Police, but also a visit from an inspector, who explained that the officer, a special constable, had acted wrongly.

And there was one consolation for Mr Smith as he trudged home while lamenting the shots of Letitia Dean that never were - she didn't turn up anyway.

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monty

Photos in Public place

April 18 2008, 9:37 AM 

Two years ago one afternoon I was in static traffic trying to drive through Grantham, as usual the town was gridlocked. In front of me was one of those 4 wheel-drive big-foot type of pick-up trucks, and a superb specimen of someones skills in building vehicles it was.
Being a life long amateur photographer I took out my camera and pointed it out of my vehicle and 'snapped' a picture of the said vehicle.
The following morning I was startled by a banging on my door, upon opening it I was confronted by a uniformed policeman who after checking I owned the vehicle in my drive insisted on entering and checking my camera and computor equipment. It seemed someone or something had reported me for taking pictures of school-girls in the town, after showing him the pic. of the truck he viewed a few more pictures on my laptop and decided that I was 'not guilty' of the reported offence and departed. This left me stunned and wondering if we had all left leave of any rights in this country.
Two years later the traffic is still unable to pass through Grantham because of bad road planning and management, but no police are in sight to assist with this.

 
 
Bozo

Truck

April 18 2008, 3:00 PM 

Well Monty that mis -understanding was very sad,funny thing is its the authorities who are all geared up with the cams!
They've got CCTV,helmet cams,van cams,rotating vehicle cams,overt and covert,cigarette lighter cams the lot!
Talk about paranoia!
Am surprised Dixons and Argos are not prosecuted for selling the damm things(cameras)!
A young lady sales assistant with big cleavage seductively offers to show you a "big boys lense"-60 times zoom and in Chibo customers are offered a "Night Vision"device.
When I asked the sales personnel who on earth would want that I was met with quircky raised eyebrows and the phrase "youd be surprised"....
the Police have always been wary of cameras and always harrassed snappers.
it was the rodney King camcorder footage that sparked off the LA riots so they have good reason!

 
 
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