I have read a lot of accounts of secondary schoolgirls having the back of their skirts lifted in front of the class for various punishments in an all girls school.

Did this actually happen, say after 1970? I find this hard to believe. Are there any credible accounts of this happening to any of our readers.

Any girl who attended an all girls school (private) in the UK between 1970 and 1990 and who claims that she did not at least witness this a few times is telling porkies.

I knew a girl who went to a public school and was slippered by the games mistress circa 1980s on more than one occasion. She told me that virtualy every girl got it at leats once. On the basis that they wore short gym skirts the slipper was on the knickers once they bent over. I don't know the location of the school.
Now believe it or not, the girl I mentioned in an earlier thread told me that the gym mistress slippered girls on the bare in her office. Again circa 1980s. The others would here a series of whacks and the girl would come out crying, holding her bottom with knickers around knees. The school was East Essex area.

I was a student at an all girls school circa 1980 and most of the gym mistresses I had over the years did not even bother using a slipper since there were plenty of bare thighs avalaible. Although some gym teachers did used the slipper.

My experience was that 4 really hard slaps across each of the bare upper thighs was more effective than a six stroke slippering across the kinickers.

I experienced both. And contrary to many disbelievers this was very common at that time. This was obviously only done by female teachers. Any siggestion otherwise is sheer nonsense.

As for girls having their knickers lowered in private. Well to be honest I never heard of that ever happening at my school, but I suppose it could have happened at other schools.

Hi Mimi, thanks for your posting, but I should have prefaced my original query with the proviso: not including PE teachers.

Everybody knows that most gym mistresses were a law unto themselves and would hand out smackings of all kinds as if they were handing out confectionary.

As you correctly pointed out if a girl was wearing a gym skirt there was no need to lift if before applying any type of punishment. However I meant in a proper classroom situation (secondary) involving a female teacher who was not a PE mistress or such like.

Also I do not mean just lifting the hem of the skirt at the back just few cms for a mild leg smacking. This was common even at my school.

Can any of our readers provide any credible evidence (in recent times, say 1970 onwards) where a girl had the back of her skirt lifted quite high, say to just below the knickers in front of a class for any kind of smacking?

As far as I can remember this practice was relatively common in private schools (girls) even up till the mid 1990s. Although in most cases only an open hand would be used to administer any punishment.

I doubt if it was permitted in government run schools even before the ban on cp. There is no way it ever happened in a mixed school of any kind.

Correction to above post. West Essex ( almost East London)
Also circa 80s was in fact late 80s and I would imagine would have continued to the bitter end.
In my junior school girls would get their skirts raised for punishment in front of the mixed class.
In senior school girls would get slippered in front of the mixed class. Those who wore mini skirts, which were most all, naturally exposed their knickers when bending over.
I would imagine that if the girls had longer skirts they would have been lifted. Administered mainly by male teachers. Females usually used to send both sexes to a male teacher for some reason.

Hi Mimi

I am surprised that this was permitted in a mixed class even in junior school. I attended a private girls school and being called to the front desk for punishment was quite common both in junior school and even in secondary.

However we were never slippered in front of the class. If the skirt was lifted, it was only for a leg smacking. Some teachers bent you over the front desk and some just smacked you standing up.

Some teachers just lifted the hem of your skirt at the back and smacked just above the knee,while some lifted your skirt right up and smacked your upper thighs. The amount of smacks varied from just one across each leg to about 4 across ech leg, but quite hard.

Not all the female teachers used corporal punishment. Those who did seemed to have the best behaved classrooms.

Bloody strange how quite so many of us girlies all attended private girls' schools, isn't it?

And how we were smacked so hard, we can't even remember the schools' name?

Do us a favour, PLEASE, just stop pretending this happened anywhere but in your masturbatory fantasies!


Teresa

Mimi, could you please elaborate on the type of punishments apart from slippering that would warrant a girl having her skirt lifted in front of the class? Also are you sure that this happened in a mixed class? Surely a female teacher would have more sense than to do this.

In junior school, a smacking on the legs or bottom. On rare occasions bare! And I am not fantasising, this was the 60s and was common in most state schools. Rulers were also used on legs and bottoms. In senior school it was always a slipper in the classroom. Girls could get sent to the senior mistress for the cane or ruler on the hand. Usually six.

Hi Mimi

That sounds very severe. At least we were not caned at our school. In most cases we were only smacked with an open hand. The slipper was used in secondary school but only privately and only by certain teachers.

I was often sent to the senior mistress in secondary school. The majority of times I just got the back of my legs very soundly smacked. She used to lift the back of your skirt very high up and smack just below the knickers. The standard punishment was 6 very hard smacks across each leg. This was in secondary. Did you ever get your legs smacked in secondary?

Err sorry Esmay. mimi is a joke nom de plume that most regulars know of. I am male.
If its of interest I don't recall any leg smacking in secondary school, for males or females.
Just about everyone got their legs smacked in primary though.

Mimi

"In junior school, a smacking on the legs or bottom. On rare occasions bare! "

Would you like to elaborate... please!

Elaboration?
Well punishments apeared to be random, sometimes there seemed to be no logical reason for som of the more severe types.
I recall that a lot of it was to do with the mood of the teacher. One male teacher in particular was having marital problems ( I found this out in later life) He was obviously taking it out on his pupils.
Legs amacking, mostly on the calves with the added cereomony of lowering socks for both sexes.
Bottom smacking was usually more formal. Female teachers would threaten " A sound smacking" this mean't bare. In what I would call a violent manner Trousers(skirts would be raised) and pants would be puled roughly down and the pupil would be either OTK or held sideways in a half bending position, a rapid application of smacks was applied.
One male teacher would charge down the aisle between desks, haul the miscreant over their desks and again smack away as hard as possible, sometimes pulling trousers up tight to reveal the lower cheeks, on other occasions fully baring and smacking away.
Even then I realised how violent it all was. No lecture, telling off and then doing it in a controled manner.
As one got older and the slippr appeared it was carried out in a more formal " civilised" way,
The ruler was also given on the hand ( or calve) this was more formally given. The strokes would continue untill the pupil was distraught. Sensible ones cried as soon as possible and got les. More stubborn ones would get stroke after stroke. I saw one girl get a dozen full blooded strokes on each hand, she refused to cry and in the end the ruler broke.
We were very well behaved to say the least.
If anyone thinks it fantasy then thats fine by me.

MIMI

Your junior school sounds unusually sadistic.

However, we've both previously observed about irate parents ready to smack a suitably-bared bottom in public when we were young. So no doubt at all that your school knew it could get away with it then, and it's 100% fact.

It would also be welcome in a few public places today rather than calling the child regardless of sex "Stopthat" or "Gitear" in this neck of the woods. Possibly, the local paedo could be on call to rub the cream in after a suitable hands on heads interval, so we also know where THEY are!


Steve M

Steve, I don't know if they were sadistic or just over zealous.
It seemed to be part of life at the time.
In hindsight it seems violent rather than corrective.
Still having met lots of old school pals via FR reunions everyone seems to have turned out respectable, law abiding and good citizens.
So perhaps they had a rough idea of what they were doing.
I just wish that CP had been reserved for real naughty behaviour rather than normal missdemeanors.
There was a constant atmosphere of fear, but we were by no means subdued.

From mid 60s to mid 70s when I was at school teachers didn't have to raise skirts at all because all girls wore miniskirts,even those with uniforms. In fact you could easily see what knickers they wore whether they were sitting down or bending slightly. So the teacher had no problem in slapping them on the upper thighs.
One boy in our class often got caned by Miss because he was always playing with himself in class. You could see him always rubbing himself in class. He always sat at the rear bench.

OMG!!! were we at the same school in N London!!!
A n ar*e of a lad whose name started with S was once caught doing naughty things under his desk " S go to the Headmaster and tell him what you have done" said Ms C. Off he went grinning like the idiot he was.
If you can tell us the last letter of his name then we were at school together. If not well what can one say!

Any chance of naming the school?

I think sites like this get two kinds of posters, and those that went to prep/public school dominate. Even the other type, state mixed infants/juniors then non-public secondary usually went to a single sex grammar. Anyway, my point is that the first type of poster seem to have a hard time believing the stories from the second because of the culture shift.

I'm of the second type, and can confirm the stories about late 60's/early 70's junior schools. Don't recall much, if any punishment in the infant half of the school, but do remember the first day of junior school (female teacher) being told that things would be very different now. In this first junior class, this meant over the knee spankings for boys and girls. Having had no interest in the subject at any time during the infants, my memory was not artificially sharpened.

I do recall in this first class, the teacher seemed clinical in the punishments, which were neither frequent, nor infrequent. I don't think they were equally spaced, so they either linked to her time of the month, or a periodic agreement amongst the staff that a point needed to be made.

Over the knee at the front of the class, but I don't recall the spectacle having much of an impact. At that age, sorry, i wouldn't have noticed if skirts were lifted or not- they probably were, but the boys clothing went untouched (accept, now as I type this, I wouldn't like to bet on that). I guess the girls were spanked to tears, and the boys probably not.

It wasn't the same kids punished all the time, but it wasn't kids from the 'smarter' group either. In total, maybe 10 in the year. The lady teacher didn't seem sadistic, just aware that she was training kids at the beginning of their junior career.

When queueing, etc, smacked legs were the order of the day. I'd guess probably 3 blows on average, and no particular worry by the teacher whether they caused tears.

Hitting seemed to diminish in the two years that followed, but maybe that was because the teacher changed. First we had an older lady who seemed just as strict, but in a less physical way. Then we had a laid back male teacher (the guys tended to teach the last two years). I don't recall the guy spanking anybody, but he lost his temper with some of the boys occasionally and would throw them around the classroom (i mean this).

Oh, I do recall with the second lady teacher, there was some minor scandal about the girls letting their knickers down for the boys at the bottom of the small sports field. Now I only knew of this because the teacher announced to all of us that those concerned had been severely dealt with or something. Sorry, I wasn't part of their crowd, so gained no first or second hand details, and had no curiosity at the time.

Much later, I came to realise that like so many of these schools, the treatment of the boys and girls depended on their parents, and their parents relationship with the school. I have not the slightest doubt that some girls got bare bottom spankings in private with the permission of their parents, and with their parents more than likely present. Other children, with parents of different attitudes, were not treated this way.

This later analysis of things I didn't really notice at the time showed a carefully hidden regime of discipline in private. However, I'm sure these punishments were mostly arranged for after school, or during the lunch period, since I don't recall noticed the clear aftermath of an obviously upset child returning to the classroom. Back then, I only paid attention to my own circle, and we were the well-behaved 'swotty' kids whose parents would have been least likely to approve of school CP.

Age 10, or 11, during the first break, I heard strikes, and the clear sound of a girl in distress. The windows of the small 'staff room' allowed me to see inside, and a male teacher had a girl (10 or 11, I didn't know her) over his lap, skirt up, and was very methodically spanking her behind. He was making a very theatrical act of his displeasure, and the girl was in clear distress, but like I said, I had no 'interest' at that age, so my only response was to note that that teacher tended towards violence.

The show of limited undress was of zero interest, because until the day I left, the boys and girls changed for PE together (in other words, seeing the underwear of the opposite sex was nothing).

The teacher doing the punishing was in charge of the parallel class to mine. I think both classes were created by mixing the last two years, in some kind of educational experiment. I witnessed on several occasions this teacher threatening boys and girls with physical punishment with no real cause. I think kids were hit in his classroom all the time. In mine, never in a formal way.

My teacher (who did go to prep and public school) did tell some 'amusing' story of a friend of his who suffered, because he was caned in nylon underwear. Must have been some rubbish the boys believed about the effectiveness of cotton vs synthetics in reducing the pain of the strokes. Never seen such an idea discussed since. Bit like that film where the kids thought putting their luminous watches down their pants would create temporary infertility.

The school sometimes took a mixed group of about 30 kids (from the last two years) to a local 'adventure' camp for a few days. Boys and girls slept in different rooms (well, there was a hall, and some kind of sleeping room). 3 or 4 members of staff came too, including my male teacher, the vicious bastard, and at least one of the women teachers. On one trip (I think I did two), some of the boys engaged in the minor mischief of visiting the girls room, were noticed by the lady teacher who complained to one of the males. The result was the teacher (the vicious one I think) going 'crazy' (an act no doubt) and slapping the kid around in a way that seemed very nasty at the time.

Activities were sometimes mixed, and sometimes not. I'll say this- at that age one expected girls to be teary and emotional and whatnot, and so I never cared to notice the state of any around me, despite having as many female friends as males. I guess that childhood sexism meant that I never picked up on the signs of punishments happening in private.

Anyway, at the camp, it was more important for the boys to consider the possibility of catching a glimpse of the girls in the shower, and vice versa (the shower room was a single undivided space, and the first time we had ever been expected to undress fully in front of each other- boys in front of other boys I mean). The room had a single door, and the teacher assigned to chaperone the kids a habit of opening it when all the kids were naked inside.

Apart from that mentioned, didn't see any hitting at the camp, but as other posters have observed long in the past, or as court cases have shown, such camps proved fertile ground for bad teachers to pick on the girls after lights out, for minor offences. It is most unlikely that even at my camp, any girl would have been keen to reveal a 'private' punishment given for night-time 'misbehaviour'.

To conclude, I agree with the smarter posters that accept that kids 11 or younger were subject to all variations of mild, but often humiliating forms of corporal punishment, and that no-one thought twice about this because our culture universally accepted the spanking of kids that age. However, I am freaked out when I read about kids being strapped or caned in infant or junior school. I feel that the ritual of beating a little kid with a stick or strap at school to be vastly more disgusting than the use of CP at secondary school. To be complete, I will say that on one day toward the end of my time at the juniors, our teacher gratuitously raised the subject of the headmaster having a punishment book and a cane. I guess now the message was intended for a specific group of kids, but the whole episode merely created this odd unbelievable 'boogie man'.

" . .. those that went to prep/public school dominate" says ink-lined plane.

No. That's not true.

Those that say they went to prep/public school dominate.

It makes their fantastic tales more credible if the incidents took place in an autonomous institution.

Please define "autonomous institution".

While it was quite common for girls to have the back of their skirts lifted for slapped thighs, this would not be allowed in a mixed school even in the 1980s.

Abigail your sentance above makes no sense?

Yes,that naughty boy's name did begin with an S and ended with an E. But I can't reveal the whereabouts of the school.
And I don't think this was unique to my class or school either.
Lots of girls have told me that they had something similar in their class at school.
Wonder if anyone on this site ever had someone like that in their class or school.

Mimi, I greatly admire your persistence in battling on against the wave of half-baked nutters who seem to have suddenly invaded every active thread on this forum, but my advice is do what I'm doing and stop posting until they get tired and go away! They're even having an adverse effect on someone as tried and tested as Lotta. She just seems to have gone into overdrive without any of her usual wit and repartee.

It does no harm to encourage those that may be juast " avin a larf"
Alas the lad in questions name ended in T .

I never saw or heard of any skirts lifted at my school in the 70s. I only ever had word of 1 girl being given the slipper and this was by all accounts nothing more than 3 or 4 quick wacks by the head of year. My freind who knew the girl in question more than me told me she didnt seem to bothered after the event. My view bare bum or skirt lifted spankings slipperings or canings of girls were a very very rare if ever event. mY 10 Slipperins Maddog -)

During my time in South Africa I’ve picked up that the caning of girls was much more common here than in paces like Britain. It was usually given on the hand but not uncommon for the cane to be administered on the bottom.

One thing that I’ve heard very often though is that making females bend over like the boys was frowned upon. Presumably this was thought to be unladylike and girls were asked to take up a position leaning slightly forward. The lifting of skirts was certainly out of the question.

Depends when this was,and which part of S.Africa,because up to the 60s and probably way into the 70s in most villages in S.Africa girls didn't wear any skirts.They all went about half naked,just like the men. The boys didn't wear anything at all up to a certain age. And this made sense,why wear cumbersome clothes in that heat,besides being their tradition. So the village teacher had no problem in lifting skirts or asking the boys to pull their pants down,because they didn't have any! You can see this in any documentary of that era.
Of course in the cities it was different,where nearly all the kids wore school uniforms. So this is what you are talking about of course. It was very different in the cities from the villages where most of the population lived.

I was born in 1963.
I left primary school in 1974 and went to a large mixed comprehensive.
I finished 5th form in 1979 and upper 6th in 1981.

At the comprehensive I attended corporal punishment was used all the time for the most minor offenses on both the boys and the girls all the way through the school.

The instruments used were the cane, the strap (often what was actually a tawse) , the plimsoll (sometimes called slipper) .

Boys wore a uniform of grey short or long trousers, Green blazer, optional green jumper, white shirt and green/yellow striped school tie. There was also a special sixth form tie.

The girl’s uniform was just about identical above the waist. Green blazer, optional green jumper, white shirt and green/yellow striped school tie. There was also a special sixth form tie. But Girls were not allowed to wear trousers instead they wore a green skirt that had to be between knee length and calf length. Girls had to wear matching green school knickers, which were part of the school uniform. White knee length socks from first year to fifth year. Sixth form girls wore flesh coloured stockings or tights. First to fifth year girls were not allowed to wear heeled shoes but sixth form girls were also allowed to wear shoes with a heel up to 4 inches.

Class teachers generally used the strap or plimsoll for normal class discipline for both boys and girls. The strap could be given on either the hand or bottom. The plimsoll was given on the bottom. Class punishments were given in class in front of other pupils.
The boys were given bottom punishments over their grey school trousers. Girls however had to raise their skirt to get the punishment on their knickers. If on raising girl’s skirt her knickers were found to be incorrect they were lowered and the punishment was applied to her bare bottom or she was sent to the head of year/deputy headmaster/headmaster for the cane.
There were more male than female teachers at the school and they had no compunction about using corporal punishment on girls.

The cane was given for more serious offences but it could only be given by a year head, the deputy headmaster or head master. The cane was usually given in private. There were rumours that often girls had their knickers taken for the cane. In fact a teacher told me that if the girl was not wear uniform knickers they would be taken down.

I think IPL and Val D have introduced another asylum member to this forum.

LOTTA

Yes, but what about boys who wanted to wear skirts, I ask?

Which school?-I wonder if the school song was that old Traffic classic Dear Mr Fantasy? Was Dr Fibbernaturally head of Maths?

Still, at least this post isn't from Cynthia/Anthea & co, even if the odd spelling error is in a similar style.


Steve M

But it makes nice reading all the same. At least it's better than those monotonous "never saw anything" posts.
I don't think we should discourage these people because they make some very interesting reading.
But what interested me most in Mark's post was about the green knickers. I don't recall ever seeing green knickers(I have to sift through my memory for this though). What kind of green knickers were they,Mark? Light green,darkgreen,greyish green or something in between? I'm not a knickers fetish but I find this interesting.

The school uniform knickers were described as bottle green.

You think you are so clever, but you know absolutely nothing about anything.
What sorts of schools of schools did you then?
In what time period?

Mark

In the words of Perry Mason's assistant "What I don't understand is...."

You say it was rumoured knickers were lowered sometimes for the cane, but that on occasion this was also done in class.

Are you really saying that bare female bums were on show in class - but that such private punishment was "rumoured"??

Believe me,Mark,I'm not trying to pull your leg. I've never accused anyone of lying on this site,as some others are in the habit of doing,which unfortunately seems are the only ones left on this forum,with a few exceptions.
The only one I admire from this lot is Lotta,because she does it with a sophisticated sense of humour.
And you are right,they know nothing about anything. Ignorance is the sign of scorners. They only talk from their very limited experience. If it didn't happen to them it never happened.
They don't even realise that there are exceptions to every rule,be it rare or very rare.
Of course I am not vouching to what you say,by any means. But at least I give you the benefit of the doubt and let you explain further. A good judge never condemns anyone outright before hearing the full case. But these people wouldn't know anything about this. I have nothing against them personally,as one of them seems to have about me. But I wish we could have a bit more tolerance on this forum.

Eric; I think everyone knows there were exceptions to every rule. In fact I would be willing to say that if you can think of it, someone somewhere has done it or had it done to them. However those are rare exceptions. Not every sadistic teacher or Principal/Head was caught or prosecuted. Take George for instance. If he did indeed cane as many bare bottoms as he claims, he should be spending his retirement in a hotel with gray bars on the door. But these are not the norm. In fact they would be extraordinary.

Eric, Eric, Eric . . .

I wasn't killed in WWII, mainly because I took the coward's way out and didn't get myself conceived until it had been over for quite some time.

Do you imagine, therefore, that I disbelieve (or even doubt) all the stories I've heard about people losing their lives in that war?

Similarly, I've never been inside a whale. Do you imagine therefore that I don't believe whales have insides? Do you imagine I believe all whales to be skilfully-crafted two-dimensional cartoons drawn on the surface of our three-dimensional reality?

No. A moment's rational thought will convince you that I believe countless things outside my own personal experience - even some CP stories.

Nevertheless I admire your incisive comments,dear Lotta,as long as they're not about me! Keep it up!
About George(the Headmaster I believe),whatever happened to him? He MAY have ended behind bars for all we know. But I wouldn't believe. He's probably been appointrd to another school(or Site).

Considering George claims to have been a Headmaster during WWII there is no telling where he might be. He seems to pop up now and then. It makes him the oldest person I know who is computer literate. I have a much older sister who can barely manage e-mail.

Dont think this happened in girls schools on a regular basis.

We girls normally got our knuckles rapped with a ruler or on the back of the legs or a slippering across the skirt.

Never saw it across knickers.

I got the cane twice and then only 3-4 strokes across the hands on one occasion and 2 strokes the other time. I think it was probably worse than across the bottom- it stung like hell.

We also had to write lines quite often.

I think the boys got caned, slippered a lot more then we did.




Julie

Is JULIE CHURCHILL a Fun Poster? My whole family has been desperately unhappy over the issue of Fun Posting and if there is any more of it we shall not be renewing our subscriptions.

Shrewd readers will see that Julie has furnished us with his email address in the hope that less-shrewd readers will get in touch and ask him questions about his experiences of schoolgirl CP.

What is wrong with Fun Posters? At least we(i.e.some of us)can't take this subject all too seriously all the time. But some people don't have any sense of humour.
Besides,Julie hasn't said anything out of this world. It's what would have happened at a normal school.
And why are we(i.e.some of us)ready to condemn every new poster on this forum and discourage them from posting further? Is this a tactic adopted by some on this forum so they can have a monopoly on it?
As far as I know the Forum Administrators have a policy of indicating next to the Poster's name when it is a Fun Posting. And this one isn't.
And who is this Les and his family? Ive never heard of him in the short time I've been here. So it wouldn't make a difference if he renewed his subsciption or not. Of course I may be mistaken and would encourage him to write too,why not.
As for Lotta,well she is different. I like her postings,and you can't take her too seriously.
So keep on writing Julie and never mind the criticism.

This Topic was started by a Fun Poster after all. Look at the title! Where would we be without them?

The content of Julie's posting is eminently credible but he's a male.

Guaranteed.

Eric, you must be slipping! I've switched my Eric filter off to take a quick look a couple of times and I (note the 'I') really can't find anything to object to in your last few posts.

I'm sure you actually meant to type "aesthetic" when you were describing this estimable Forum in Steve M's "What do you think the problem might be??" thread, but obviously larry1951 couldn't assume that when he sorted out that bit of finger trouble for you. As for your continuous use of 'We' when you mean 'I', I guess that's just a hangover from your former multiple personalities here.

Now, back on-topic:

You say "Besides,Julie hasn't said anything out of this world. It's what would have happened at a normal school". I'd be interested in your definition of a 'normal' school.

Julie appears to be talking about girl's schools, which I certainly didn't attend, and nor, I presume, did you. Despite this gap in my experience I am fairly confident that while school CP was legal during the period of schooling encompassed by people on this Forum, the CP practices in girls' schools were not consistent, as indeed they were not in boys' schools and mixed schools.

Newspaper reports, the more credible Friends reunited postings (before they were expunged) and the (sadly few ) conversations I've had on the subject, to say nothing of postings here, indicate that in all types of schools CP practises varied widely at any given time, and most certainly over a range of time. What constitues 'normal' is not therefore something I would care to define.

By 'normal' do you mean what happened at your school or (as strictly we're talking girls' schools) at a girl's school of which you had direct knowledge? That's fine if you say that's what you mean, even better if you expand on your personal experience of the subject, which I don't think you've done yet.