We all know that women will tend to have a different set of things they will and won't talk about when compared to men. In my experience, the idea that schooldays are "the best days of your life" does not apply to females that went to state schools during the period of our interest.

During this time, girls in state schools were treated very differently from boys, and I think this helped the whole experience stick in many of their minds. The only occasion I recall my grandmother and mother talking about school, both mentioned corporal punishment, and outright fear. Young women were treated like kids, and hated it. They couldn't wait to leave school, and get to an institute like secretarial college, where discipline could not include corporal punishment.

My grandmother talked about the fear of being caned on the hand (sounds trivial, but it haunted her across all of her days). For my mother, it was the fear of certain teachers, and the draconian methods they used to maintain control in mixed classes. Most of the violence that bothered her was directed at the boys, of course, but don't think that makes the experience any less traumatic for sensitive girls. Especially, if the same punishments were permitted in theory for girls too, even if that was rare.

My mother told a specific story of having after school detention for being late just once! It must have been a common punishment, for the kids proved their attendance by signing in and out themselves. My mother, being a 'goodie-goodie' was unfamiliar with the routine, and forgot. She was then terrified of being caned by the headmaster, since that was the automatic penalty for missing a detention.

She was not caned, and I haven't the desire to ask exactly how such a caning would have been carried out (yeah, I know I let the side down, but I'm sure many of you know there are people you can 'work' and people you can't when it comes to feeling comfortable or safe when probing for info).

Other female friends of my acquaintance might have just as well not have attended secondary school for all the impact it made on them (I don't mean the education, I mean the memories). In each case, I felt that the last thing they wanted to do was to recall that involuntary part of their lives. These are not women that went on to university, as you may have guessed.

In one case, a long term friend swore that her school never used CP, when I knew without doubt it had been in an area where CP was universally used. Amusingly, some time later in our friendship, she was working with a new group of women, and the subject came up. She was most surprised to find that the majority of her colleagues had experienced the strap (on the hand) at school in their mid-teens. I constantly curse myself for not having been much more meticulous in demanding every last detail- but I didn't want to seem 'too' interested at the time.

At another time, in a much more devious mode, I gently moved our conversation to CP in a family setting, and she mentioned that it had been a scandal in her family that one of her aunts (grandmother's sister I think) had been strapped on her bare bottom by her father, around the age of twenty or so, but I guess that is off topic.

So, my point still stands. For many ordinary working class and middle class girls, state secondary school was a most unhappy time, and not one many care to remember. Humiliation of all kind was expected and tolerated until they were old enough to escape the authority of their school, and their parents. Various forms of spanking and other CP would have been considered humiliating, but no more so than restrictions on clothes, make-up, boyfriends, and freedom to come and go as they wished.

For 'smart' 'devious' and 'abusive' male teachers, this would have created dream opportunities. For the carefully chosen victim, CP that would blow our socks off, would have been just another one of life's burdens for the girl. You see, that psychologically skilled teacher would have known that he was adding just a drop to the bucket of woe experienced by his target at that stage of her life. And afterwards, when the young lady finally got to be in charge of her own destiny, the last thing she'd want to do is revisit in her mind that rotten time when all kinds of adults got to control every aspect of what she could do or experience.

This is where we are at. Mostly public school boys with this particular kink denying that girls in state schools could have ever been punished in this way. Nonsense. The evidence is overwhelming that in certain places, CP was a universal experience of both sexes, and this certainly included hands, brushes, slippers, straps and canes on the bottom. Likewise, in other places, CP might just as well not have existed given its complete rarity.

In those places where CP was common for girls, it was sexually abusive male teachers guiding the program, and they had every incentive to be careful, encouraging 'equality' (in discipline), whilst understanding that the wrong victim (girl or parent) could bring down the whole house of cards. Equality is an important concept here, since state schools led the way in 'modern' theories of secondary education.

Worse, for most of this period, the sexuality of the girl was considered far worse than the sexuality of the boy. The boy was largely free to say "please" without rebuke. It was the girl that had to say "no" or else.

The famous spanking case of Helston was almost 50 years ago, yet the girls concerned had made it to the sixth form, and then were spanked as part of an elaborate plan that had been constructed for years by two very senior members of staff, using their minor sexual behaviour as the perfect excuse. Was this mixed school the only place where kinky teachers of both sexes connived together to maximise the humiliating treatment of girls. Hardly! While fewer women teachers may have enjoyed the sexual 'pleasures' of punishing older girls, they certainly got a thrill watching the rituals of submission imposed on those young women that were otherwise their competition. Mr 'spanking kit' West turned up with a female teacher when he needed to finesse a parent.

Do you honestly think women would care to remember that (schoolgirl) period of their life, unless they are a happy 'spanko' in adulthood? And even if they do have the kink, that doesn't mean they'd find the memory of an abusive trap pleasant.

I don't mean to be sexist. I'm sure there's tons of stuff that we males tend to automatically commit to a memory black hole too. Today we hear of repressed memories, but I think it is an appropriate survival mechanism to forget unhappy things when they can no longer impact our lives.

Those that demand cast-iron proof of female school spankings, like some demented train-spotter, are going to remain largely frustrated. The spankers knew why they were spanking, and had little incentive to leave the best kinds of proof for our 'convenience'. Teachers tend to be smart people anyway, and better informed sexually than average. As criminals, they cover their tracks better than most, and when caught with their (or someone else's) pants down, are clearly superior as talking themselves out of trouble.

Some of the ex-public school boys that pass themselves off as female here claim that the famous court cases prove that schoolgirl spanking never hardly happened in secondary schools. The opposite is true. The most famous cases showed a long history of spanking a large number of girls across the years. Convictions never occurred because of the spankings themselves, but because of bizarre, unacceptable rituals or circumstances . Even nudity was not the triggering factor for successful prosecution.

When CP was legal, to get a case to court in the first place was a miracle. To win a conviction over an example of 'ordinary' but severe punishment was impossible. Only when the teacher had lost all self control across years of spanking, and had become an utter embarrassment to the school, council and teachers union, would the individual concerned get the lightest slap on the wrist.

And only in very recent times (as CP was coming to the end of its legal life) did the police even bother to look for past victims that suffered the same kind of abuse as the complainant.

So, for years, abusive male teachers chose their schools carefully, chose their victims carefully, developed their methods, and spanked to their hearts content, knowing that their victims were already 'kink' inclined, or would seek to forget about the whole nasty affair as soon as they could escape school for good. And, surprise, surprise, spank mad teachers would be spanking in locations where the parents were spank mad too.

Some things must never be allowed, because then abuse is not just possible, but a guaranteed consequence. Even the most unhappy spanked girl in the 50's/60's/70's would have claimed that CP was important to prevent chaos in the mixed classrooms. Banning CP completely removed all the excuses, and all the justifications. With the death of CP came not just the death of this type of abuse, but the reduction of average classroom chaos, despite what many of you think.

Now, today's generation of schoolgirls has one less reason to wipe the memories of a very important part of their life when they reach adulthood.

If you wish to relive the past, or debate my points, try visiting Korea (the savage South, I mean). Those people spank their daughters whenever possible, in and out of school, and to an age more advanced than during our age of school CP. For the population in general, it happens for the usual sexist reason of keeping young women in their proper place. They obviously think that if the price of creating a good wife and mother is to rob that person of a happy time in their young adult years, so be it.

Note that the Koreans also imprison their women for the crime of adultery (yeah, South Korea is a modern society just like ours, yet they'll happily put a women in prison for having an affair- that is just mindblowing, kinky and so wrong). Too many Humans are perverts given a chance, and I mean perverts that will happily get their pleasure at another person's expense.

Stopping abuse is a matter of being ruthlessly honest. It is depressing that school CP was not banned because of a clear understanding of BDSM fetish behaviour in adult Humans. It is shocking that in the United States, CP of schoolkids, including girls up to 18 years old, is increasing, despite the conclusive proof of insane amounts of adult spanking fetish material on the Internet. We had people set up their own schools in the UK, for god's sake, just so they could spank the bare bottoms of teen girls.

Even those that tried (and they knew at the time that they were liars) to claim that hand strapping obviously could not have a sexual dimension, have been exposed by the variations of adult BDSM material, including large amounts of palm and sole discipline. Scottish girls are found more commonly talking about this type of punishment, probably because 99% of all girls were strapped during their teen years at scottish schools. Their tales, by the way, are almost always very sad and very angry in tone. Do you honestly think the male teachers weren't getting their rocks off when reducing a 15-year old girl to floods of tears? Do you really think that the guy failed to reach orgasm when he got to demand that the sobbing girl raise her hand again for the next stroke?

And the strap, so much better than the cane when used for hand punishments. No broken bones. No broken skin. Maximum control. Maximum pain. Maximum acceptability. Maximum number of kids you can force into the punishment regime. Even in the worst schools in England, the 'good' kids were almost never touched. In Scotland, the perverts had perfected their game. Every child that entered school was going to be a victim sooner or later. People let this happen! Parents let this happen! Innocent young people hurt so that the most sophisticated network of perverts could enhance their sex lives. And some of you would bring school CP back under any possible excuse, so you could live the fantasy of being one of those teachers. Why, why, why? The whole reason we have imaginations is so that we may experience those thoughts otherwise not suited to reality.

You are quite right,and this is a vast subject. But unfortunataly few women are willing to talk about it. Although admittedly there are quite a few posts by women about this on this site. And I've heard quite a few stories by several female acquaintances over the years of their schoolday experiences.
And undoubtedly there are,and always have been,sadistic and pervert teachers of both sexes in schools everywhere. But I think these are very few and usually apply to work "in the right places". Just as some do in prisons,reformatories,etc.,which otherwise would be very depressing to work in for normal people.
But I think,from my experience at school,that most teachers used CP in class because it was the norm and sometimes even from peer pressure.
On recollection I've realised that it was always the teachers who were frustrated in their normal lives who used CP the most. Those very few teachers who never used CP at all were always the relaxed and good sense of humour ones who were more intelligent.
And even when CP was abolished in schools sadistic teachers found other means to make their students suffer. One of these,which seems to be common even today,is to let students hold their pee in class,by not letting them go to the toilets. I hear these complaints often from present students and those just out of school not long ago,both boys and girls. This is sometimes used as punishment,as it was also used in my days together with CP,by some teachers of both sexes.
As I said this is a vast subject and I will comment on your other points in another posting.

Eric, most of the women I have had intimate dealings with that are turned on by spanking only got CP on one occasion at school. They also said that they were suspicious that the teacher got pleasure from it.
Perhaps the simple pleasure of cutting a brat down to size, perhaps it was a sexual turn on.
It seems that once was enough! Perhaps the application was more calculated than we could imagine in some kind of expert way to prevent further transgretions? In that way it worked.
All those that I have known were turned on by the idea of CP from an early age, wether they got it or not. Perhaps its part of a females phscological make up to be dominated by some way? It seems thatif a male punished then that was okay, but all were quite turned of by being punished by a female? who knows?
Myself, I seem to have virtually no memory of infant school, I am told that I hated it and hated going there. Perhaps there was so much CP that I erased it from my mind.
My only memories are of a kindly disabled teacher who encouraged and was always surrounded by happy kids. With her disability one would think that she had every reason to air her frustration on the kids. A lovely person who I would love to have traced and thanked.

Dear Mimi,Having a physical disability doesn't mean that a person is frustrated. In fact some of the happiest persons I know have physical disabilities,and are always joking with a good sense of humour. Doesn't mean they are not sad sometimes. And some of the most frustrated and bad humour people I know seem to lack nothing but are always sore inside and with other people.
As for how people get turned on by CP,I think it is more psychological than physical. Some people have never been caned or spanked yet are turned on by just watching,and I think these are the majority. And yes they do start in childhood by seeing such incidents happening to others.
There are few of us who get turned on by being caned ourselves,except in fantasies of course.
Admittedly these also exist but I think are a minority. Would be nice to hear from them too!

Eric I did say " one would think" My Ladyfriend has an incurable disability, does not stop us having a good time, its just resricted. And it is damned frustrating for her.

Not if she's surrounded by nice,happy pupils like you!
I'm sure she has fond memories of you too.