I've mentioned this subject before and have been asked for further details.

A male friend of mine (well-known for presenting factual TV programs) assures me that nude swimming was a compulsory part of his education at the famous Manchester Grammar School.

If i remember correctly, the practice persisted up the 1970s then ceased when the swimming pool building was rebuilt in a position where passers-by could see the pool (and the boys) through the windows.

No girls or women were ever involved.

Not even substitute teachers? But,honestly,if it was a mixed school(or was it?) there was bound to be some girls around the area. And even if it was a Boys'only there certainly must have been some female teachers at the school. I wouldn't think it would have been barred from them.
It seems to have been the normal practice in most schools across the USA where they had indoor school swimming pools. There is a whole forum on this on Voyforums with over 600 postings all agreeing that it went on up to the early 70s,when some parents decided to protest. But unfortunataly it's an all-American forum.
However there were two postings from English girls who mentioned that this practice went on in two different English schools,and they even mentioned them by name and area. one was in London and the other somewhere in the south of England. Unfortunataly I've lost all traces of them,and I don't know if it's on the same forum or somewhere else.
Again they don't give very much detail of what went on except for the area.
On the contrary the American postings go into the minutest details,some of them very shocking.
So could someone give us more details about these British schools which had these facilities?

It's an all-boys school and I've no idea whether or not women staff were employed. I imagine there must have been some women on the premises but, Britain being the country it was in the early/mid 20th Century, I doubt very much that any of them ever found themselves 'poolside' during these lessons.

If it happened, it happened.

But it's not likely.

I can guarantee it rarely if ever happened in the US. No substitute teacher would be allowed to teach a nude swim class. If any female teacher ever walked in on a swim class it was an accident and she turned on her heel and left immediately. I suppose some curious and mischief making school girls may have peeked in on occasion, but it never happened in my class.

The school was Lake View High School in Chicago. It is a huge school. Look it up. There must be 2000 students at any given time.

If they were peeking you wouldn't know. Actually there are several confessions on this site, from now mostly middle-aged women, who say that as schoolgirls they used to take turns in groups to have a peek at the boys from a hidden closet in their locker room,which was usually next to the pool.
But back to English schoolgirls,there was another shocking, but at the same time funny,posting by a London ex-schoolgirl who said they once had an exchange visit to another school in Germany,and when they went to a swimming competition by the local school with other schools they were shocked when all the boys came out completely naked and did the competitions totally in the nude. She said it seemed natural to them and to the spectators who were both boys and girls.So they must have been used to it. On the other hand she said her teachers were very embarassed because they didn't expect this. But I think the local schoolgirls competed in swimsuits at the same event. But all the boys competed completely naked,and they didn't seem to mind.

Eric,

"all the boys came out completely naked and did the competitions totally in the nude"

"But I think the local schoolgirls competed in swimsuits at the same event."

Please arrage the following words into a well-known phrase or saying:

       dreams in your

Then, in view of our non-aggression pact, please substitute "somebody's" for "your".

Dear Lurker,I'm not inventing this. It really appeared on a forum site. I saw it about 3 months ago. I can't remember the exact site but it was definitely a forum about nude swimming. If I come across it I will post it here.
So please don't jump to any hasty conclusions.

Dear An.Lurker,
I don't wish to start with these endless arguments all over again. So I will give you some facts to answer your ignorance.
1-- If you look at the list of titles on this forum you will find that there are many titles that are off topic,imcluding some titles that are called just that "Off Topic". Some of these topics are by several of the administrators themselves like Big John Moi and others. So you could tell them too to shut their mouths.
2-- This topic is still within the limits of the subject since it is about schools. And it is disrespectful of the author,whom you admire so much,to say we shouldn't discuss this subject.
3-- Your choice is very simple. All you have to do is avoid those topics which you don't like. There are many to choose from.
4-- If you take the above advice you will stop upsetting many people on this forum by your ridiculous accusations and arrogance,which you are doing every time a new topic comes up.
5-- If you decide to answer this posting please do it somewhere else,like starting a new topic yourself,where you can rant as much as you like without upsetting everyone.
So please leave us alone and let us continue with our discussion peacefully.
We have no time to waste with you.

Oh come on now, the pictures are obviously cobbled up with a bit of enhancement, just like pedos do when they superimpose little girls over adults kness. ( So I have been informed)

No Mimi, the pictures are posed by 'actors' (I use the term in its broadest sense) for what are called CFNM (Clothed Female, Nude Male) sites. If you hover your mouse over the links you will see in the status bar of your browser where the pictures are coming from, and if you do the Google search I give above you will find the sites concerned, not that you would want to!

In my opinion some of the ideas Eric is posting here are drawn from CFNM sites. I've already had this out with him in the 'punishment witnessed by females' thread. He may not realise that the sources he is quoting are CFNM sites, but nonetheless that is what they are. In my post above I am merely trying to bring home to him the source of his frequent harping on this topic.

I have had a lot of pleasure from this Forum. I'd like the Forum to continue. In my opinion by edging into areas like CFNM we make it easier for people to point at this Forum as something undesirable.

I don't know how much you get around the web, but I get around it a lot as part of my job. There are already some very unpleasant people pointing the finger at a site often mentioned here, and which I understand has links to this site. We do not want these people to home in on us, and if they do we don't want them to find anything untoward! If we stick to factual school corporal punishment I do not see that we have anything to fear. If we get into other areas we may have!

I've considered posting a link to the very unpleasant and threatening site in question, as I think people who post or visit here should be aware of the dangers. I am not going to, because I already know that a number of people here are less than technically competent and they would inevitably visit the site in a way which would leave a trail leading back here for that site's operators to follow.

Subscriptions Manager, I've made my point. The person I wanted to see the pictures has seen them. Since the pictures are clearly annoted with their source I hope he got the message. Please delete the posting concerned unless you feel that there are reasons for it to remain.

Lotta Nonsense, is it really you - the highly skeptical and disbeliving Lotta of old? Are you now peddling stories of compulsory nude swimming? Unbelievable! Did any of the boys have strap or cane marks on the bums?

I've never set foot in the school.

The subject was brought up during an innocent non-CP-related conversation about schooldays.

To begin with,Lotta did not invent the opening story. It is on the Telegragh website of Friday 1 August under feature "When Naked school swims were normal" By Jim White.
I do not quote phantom sites or dubious sites as our friend above is in the habit of doing.
With his Conspiracy Theories of:
Secret links to this site.
Mysterious people.
Threatining sites.
Infiltrating aliens.
And so forth,quoted by him above,without naming one single example,except two photos of dubious origin.
I suggest he would be more at home in one of these "Conspiracy Theories" sites. Instead of wasting our time with his ridiculous accusations,which appear on nearly every topic on this site.

By cobbled together, I mean't actors in the loosest interpretation of the word actor. As far as I could see there were clear lines around the males indicateing that they were superimposed over the background.
In any case its nothing to do with once legal CP and the site would be better off if the whole thread was deleted.

In the 1970s our public school owner a cottage in a certain remote part of the country.
compulsory naked bathing sessions were rumoured to have occurred
at the behest of you guessed it Derek "the Mo" Skinner and pals
in freezing cold mountain streams.
Toughens ye oop lad....
This was just another of Dereks ingeneous tricks no doubt overseen with the usual grin.

My elder sibling and husband attended the same public school, where under the supervision of the perv house master, boys from junior house through to leaving age were made to take the compulsory early morning dip nude .

The nearby girls school used the pool on occasions, but no suggestion that any of the boys or male staff were allowed within a mile of the activities, or vice versus.


K

Eric,

You say:

"And it is disrespectful of the author,whom you admire so much,to say we shouldn't discuss this subject."

You make a lot of allegations against me. Unlike the allegations I make against you, which I document with quotes from your postings and other material, you don't appear to be able to do anything except blather about what I'm supposed to have done. Please indicate in your next posting where I say that we should not discuss this topic. What I said was that we shouldn't introduce your 'clothed female, nude male' fantasies into it - there's quite enough of them in other threads you've posted in! I notice that you are now floating another inappropriate (to this forum anyway) theme in poor old Bozo's spaghetti grader thread. Please stop it. If I want CFNM or penile fantasies I can readily visit sites that deal with them, as can anyone else who visits here.

As regards Lotta, yes I do admire her. She serves the same function in this forum as the official who stood behind Roman generals fortunate enough to be awarded a Triumph, or ceremonial victory procession. One of this official's functions was to whisper in the general's ear at regular intervals 'memento mori' which means 'Remember you are mortal'. In other words,'keep your feet on the ground'. That is exactly what Lotta does here, and has done superbly for a long time, barring a sad interval recently when she disappeared for a time.

And you also say:

"I do not quote phantom sites or dubious sites as our friend above is in the habit of doing."

Well actually, with the exception of the Telegraph site reference above, you don't quote any verifiable sites to justify your ramblings, or if you do I haven't noticed. As for me, the only dubious sites I've quoted here were to demonstrate where your CFNM fantasies were coming from, and as soon as I knew you'd seen them I asked Subscriptions Manager to remove the posting containing the links, which he did. Please note that links are real, quotes, unless they can be verified by links, are not. Please quote any other example of dubious sites I've posted here - or anywhere else for that matter!

As regards 'phantom sites' I have never quoted a 'phantom site'. I did post a link to a posting in another forum which was promptly removed by that forum's administrators. Happily someone else here followed the link before the material was removed and by dint of quick thinking was able to post the material anyway(thank you again, Yetanotheranotherlurker). The thread concerned is here and the history of what happened is quite clear. I also mentioned a site above which I said, for very good reasons which you may not understand, but which anyone familiar with the process will know are technically correct, I was not going to link here. That site is certainly not phantom, but the reason I am not going to link it here stands. Please indicate in your next posting where I have quoted a phantom site.

Dear A.L., You are getting on everybody's nerves on this site with your endless conspiracy theories.
My posting above is self-explanatory so I don't have to answer you back. I have no time to waste with you. And people don't want to see an endless tit-for-tat on these pages wherever your name(?)appears. Try and contribute something constructive for once. As I said people are fed up with you. I've already given you advice above that if you don't like a topic just ignore it and go to another topic of your choice. There are plenty to choose from. You can't dictate what members write about or what to say. That is sheer arrogance.
And you are utterly mistaken about what I write about,because I've posted and commented on every aspect of school CP and on nearly every new and recent topic that came up. Anybody can compare your postings to mine. So let us let the other members judge us on this, instead of filling these pages with endless and useless arguments all started by you.
If you can't contribute something useful to this and other topics go somewhere else and leave us in peace.

I have seen your two postings posted this morning on other topics. So you CAN contribute something useful if you wanted to,instead of wasting time(both yours and mine)with endless useless arguments. You seem to have taken my advice seriously.
So keep it up!

Yes, this did happen at Manchester GS until about 1976. Personally, I found it a very unpleasant experience. One correction: the rule that you had to swim naked wasn't abolished because the swimming pool was rebuilt and women could now see in. Two events happened. Firstly, one class rebelled and turned up in trunks, basically telling the gym teacher where he got off. Secondly, Jim White and friends in another class reported the school doctor whose prurient interest in the whole thing was beyond a joke. I guess at that point the teaching staff suddenly asked themselves, "What the hell have we been doing here?" It was a classic case of a prestigious institution failing to question itself. At least we can disappoint the "cnfm" crowd: it was a single sex school, no female staff. But it was an absolute disgrace to assume pupils were OK about this rule (or, if they weren't, that it didn't matter); a very dark period in the history of that school and it involved people who had no place in the care of children.

Pete, did all your classmates feel the same as you about swimming nude? My guess is that many boys would have found the first few times uncomfortable but they would have quickly come to be quite comfortable about it.

I do not think it is necessary to ascribe the practice of nude swimming to perversion rather than to convenience and practicality.

A college friend of mind told me that at his (all male) school, nude swimming was the norm. He also said that the gym teacher used to punish boys for misbehaviour in the pool by putting them acros his knee and whacking them with a flip flop.

In the novel "The Rotters Club" a boy is punished for forgetting his kit by being made to swim naked. The writer mentions that he's heard of school where nude swimming is the norm, but that having to be naked while your friends are in swimming trunks is very embarassing. There's also a nude swmimming scene in the film "Catholic Boys".

And, of course, one of the hippy progressive schools (Sommerhill?) practiced mixed nude swimming.

I agree that allowing a female teacher or pupil at a mixed school to witness the boys swimming naked is about as likely as an invasion of flying pigs. Mixed schools are incredibly prudish; a pupil would get whacked or suspended for being within ten yards of the opposite sexes changing rooms.

I don't really want to get involved in this thread again, but Beanokid, I have to ask you, do you not see a certain contradiction in your statements above

And, of course, one of the hippy progressive schools (Sommerhill?) practiced mixed nude swimming.


I agree that allowing a female teacher or pupil at a mixed school to witness the boys swimming naked is about as likely as an invasion of flying pigs. Mixed schools are incredibly prudish

irrespective of whether the former is true?

Sorry for not explaining myself very well.

I believe there are or were what I called "hippy" schools (where there were no punishments, and hardly any rules or lessons); and some of these may have had a "naturist" element - people of all sexes swimming naked together if they wanted to.

I meant to say that in a normal co-ed grammar or comprehensive school, allowing girls into the boys changing rooms or having mixed nude swimming lessons would not have happened.

Andy

I would think that nude swwimming in a mixed school, at any point in time would ha ve been very rare. I also think, that while it may have taken place in a single sex state school, again it would have been rare.

I do however think it may have taken place a little more in church run schools, but stress it never took place at St Peters. Having said that, it was commom up to the mid to late 60's, for boys up to about 13 to swim naked in the local lake.

I think nude swimming in schools has always been comfined mainly to private schools and then more to boarding schools than day schools.I think two reasons exist for this. Firstly, in boarding schools boys will see each other naked almost every day, and would not be so strange to them. After all most of the time would be spent in the water so providing a certain amount of modesty....if was not as if they were running around a field. The second reason is that private schools were more inclined to have swimming at least twice a week and as an after school activity. Their pools were private and if boys wore trunks, these would have to be dried in the drying rooms after the lesson. Any saving in the amount of clothing the domestic staff had to deal with would be very welcome. Just take a school of 500 boys, who had two swimming lessons a week and boys swimming after school or at weekends only once. This would make a great saving of 1500 pairs of trunks to dry.Not a problem now with the big hot air drying machines, but certainly a problem before the late 1960's.


George

I went to a public school which had a prep school attached. In the 1960s, all boys swam nude, but by the 1970s, the public school boys were allowed to wear trunks but the prep school boys still swam nude under the control of one of the school's two known pervy teachers.

Scott

Can't speak for schools---as I never attended a school with a swimming poll---but I do know that as a boy in the 1950's all swimming at the local YMCA was by gender and in the nude.

i attended a prep school in surrey in the 1970s where we had our swimming lessons in the nude. Boys only male teachers only in heeated indoor pool. aged between 9 and 13. when you went up to the senior school, you wore trunks.
can name the school if wanted. it did happen, we didnt really worry about.