I am just going to see how friendly this forum is,some of what I have read is actually rather funny but there does seem to be an element that want to be sceptical at all costs.

I went to a day prep school (to the West of London all I am prepared to say) in the 1960s.

The cane and slipper was used occasionally, I was fascinated and scared by that but managed to avoid it. As far as I know it was used by the Headmaster (Retired RN type) and the deputy (subject to periods of madness) in a manner which did not lead to any evidence apart from the one occasion when I saw some slightly reddened cheeks after a boy in my class had been slippered for losing his games kit. He was probably 9 or 10 at the time and embarrassed that the marks showed. I knew he had been sent to the study so knew what I was looking for (so I guess I must have been a pervert even then).

Apart from that and the episode when mad deputy head sent a 10 year old to his study for a thrashing when he was just wearing PE shorts (and no underwear) is my sole experience of CP at that age. I did hear later that one boy took the precaution of stuffing some padding down his trousers prior to a certain caning, got found out and just got a repeat performance over his unpadded trousers, sounds reasonable to me.

It was only when I was in my mid 20s that I heard about the goings on at Caldicott in I imagine the late 1950s early 1960s that I realised that boys really did get caned on the bare bottom. This was no fantasist I think as the account was given in front of dinner party guests to his wife and another friend who went to Caldicott 10 years later. So there you are, add to the pantheon of plausible bare bottom caning schools Caldicott.

I now read that the headmaster of Caldicott has now been fingered as a pervert surprise, surprise, up there with Derek Slade the bare bottom slipperer of Dalesdown School in Sussex and elsewhere who delighted in rubbing the reddened cheeks of his victims afterwards.

Anymore more or less verified accounts of this practice much loved of fiction writers everywhere?

I await the deluge of nonsense with pleasure!

Scotty

Welcome to our very Happy Circle, Scotty the occasional visitor, and thank you for sending in a very interesting piece.

There is more on Caldicott School at:

http://www.nospank.net/n-n33r.htm/

http://www.nospank.net/n-n33r.htm/

SCOTTY

Colin Farrell's excellent Corpun site will give you some anecdotal evidence about this. Colin seems to have a very effective way of weeding out the fantasists or outright liars.

The only person I've met who received this was born in 1952 like I, and suffered it at the Royal Masonic School, Bushey, Herts, or at least in the Prep dept. thereof around 1960/1.

If you look at page 18, The 3rd R in Sarf London, you can also read my own personal seeing experience. It was still around in state primaries or infants into the 1970's, but increasingly less, and was usually confined to smacking bare.

From my friend's experience, and what I've read since(I worked with him from 1970-2),it appears Housemasters at Prep schools were the great ones for bare-bottom spanking, usually in their dorm/bedroom or wherever. I've also reason to believe that some of the perves would offer this to the little kids as being kinder than a visit to the Head for a caning of whatever sort.

One other little thing, unconnected with school. There are 2 or 3 women where I work, all late 20's/early 30's, who have spoken about being very tempted to do this to their children when the little horrors play up in Tescos. They all, on a little further enquiry, had a public BB-spanking from THEIR Mum, so it was still around in Plymouth at least into the 1980's, and I'd only describe one of my 3 colleagues as typical Janner, so there may not be much of a class issue here.



Steve M

Absolutely nothing to do with this thread, so my apologies to the originator and to all readers. By way of compensation here is a direct link to Steve M's thread that he refers to above.

Steve, can I ask how you found the above thread please? Page 18 is a long way back, and as you post frequently I'm sure you can't keep track of all your posts unless you have an amazing memory or an excellent database!

Have you actually managed to make the forum search facility work, or did you use Google? Google is my only method these days, as I can't get any sense out of the forum search facility. Any quick search tips greatly appreciated!

Regards,

A_L

A-L

I do have a photographic memory as yet unimpaired by senile dementia.

I'm mad to start with, you see, so if it ever does creep up, I won't notice!

However, I took a stab at the page numbers on the bottom of the current page & came up with 15 & worked out from the last-post date displayed on those with no or 1 post after that I needed to go back about 3 pages, as I did remember more or less exactly when I posted that one.


Steve M

Thanks Steve. I wish my memory was even slightly photographic. As far as I can see for everything new I stuff into it now something else disappears into the archives from whence retrieval is both slow and irritating!

And now something on-topic. Scotty, you ask Is there a list of those schools which did use cp on the bare? to which I imagine the answer is no, unless our current government in their anxiety to know everything about every aspect of everyone's life have been compiling one. If they have some contractor or government employee will loose a laptop with it on before too long and we'll get to know about it!

If there was such a list I think its size would be determined by how far you went back to collect the data. If you went back to 1950 I suspect that, even excluding infant schools, where the practise was possibly more common as witness Steve M's contribution above, there would be quite a lot of schools on the list. However they would be pretty solidly boys' schools, or schools where only boys were liable to encounter this mode of punishment.

Further, I think that a substantial number of schools on the list would be, as Steve M observes, private boarding schools, in particular small private preparatory schools. I have no doubt that the practise occurred in state schools though. You are free to disbelieve this estimable Forum's Honorary Life Member Ex-headmaster George (who is currently writing in the thread here) if you wish, but I'm old enough to recall the period he writes of, and although it didn't happen in the state schools I attended it certainly happened in some state schools at that time.

My own experience of this mode of punishment is, I'm afraid, only second hand. However, in view of the source, and the circumstances under which the subject was discussed I have absolutely no reason to doubt its veracity.

In 1954, my first year at secondary school, I was friendly with a lad who had come from a small local boys only boarding preparatory school. Should anyone recall my secondary school from previous posts this preparatory school was not the one associated with the secondary school! Our form master was very young, very big and very fit. He didn't administer corporal punishment often, but when he did he used a large leather soled sandal and he hit very hard! Twelve year old boys are not reduced to tears easily, especially not in front of other twelve year old boys, but tears were not uncommon.

One day my acquaintance fell foul of the form master and received four mighty swats bent over touching his toes. He never even batted an eyelid! Boys know a hero when they see one and as soon as circumstances permitted he was quizzed as to the secret of his insouciance. His answer was that at his previous school they often got up to six with the cane or eight with the slipper on the bare, and that today's four over trousers and underpants hadn't hurt much at all.

Now I wasn't then (and indeed am not now) much interested in CP of males. Such interest as I had was confined to avoiding it, which I did pretty successfully except for minor lapses in infant and junior school. As a result I didn't seek any further information about CP at his previous school. Nor, as far as I am aware, did anyone else. One didn't discuss that sort of thing much in those days. Everyone knew it happened, the sole interest was in how it had equipped him for the hazards we faced at the current school!

Yes I have seen the article and know corpun. Indeed I have corresponded with Colin Farrell on this very subject. His take, very sensible, is that bare cp did occur, mainly in prep schools because they were at the time often run by individuals with either very compliant or no Board of Governors. However, it was probably comparatively rare, but no-one knows how rare as it is so hard to separate fantasy from hard facts. The ones that come to light are either through court cases or through biographies (as one assumes it would be a brave person to describe such an event knowing that there are several 100 other ex-pupils who could cry wolf if not true).

That was true even when the Slade the Sussex Slipperer set up Dalesdown. True he had a Board of Governors and it seems they banned him from using the cane so he was left with "just" the slipper which he used on the bare bottom. Then a parent complained after his 11 year old son, a day boy, was "slippered" with a training shoe after being made to take off his trousers and underpants (not down, off) which left frightful bruising and apparently his yells of pain could be heard in other parts of the school despite Slade taking the precaution of using the more remote deputy head's office and pulling the curtains. The police investigated and found another 8 year old, a boarder had receieved a similar punishment the next day.

So did the Governors sack Slade? No, they merely banned Slade from using "corporal punishment" which Slade interpreted as just a ban on the slipper and not a "good smack" as he told the parents in a letter, so Slade became Slade the Sussex spanker until another boy, a 9 yo complained to his Granny about being "whacked" on his bare bottom for losing his bible. It was this incident that led to Slade's day in court which he blubbed throughout especially when sentenced to three months (I think). Alas he was set free on appeal and went to live with his mother, his deputy entering a religious order (perhaps it was the Christian Brothers?)

Scotty

Alarmingly Slade is now involved in an all boys orphanage school in India. The charity supporting the school appear to got wind and pulled out.

No further comment necessary I think.

Scotty

Some details here:

http://www.helpapoorchild.com/index.htm?hapcpage=News:FullStory&newsid=16
http://www.politeindian.com/blog/2007/03/22/corporal-punishment-why-is-it-needed-at-all/
http://www.hapc.co.uk/index.htm?hapcpage=Projects:FullStory&newsid=12

I think I have posted this before many moons ago.
To cut a long story short, we were all lined up ( about 15 lads ) by the gym master who proceeded to whack us across our gym shorts with his slipper, one after the other. The lad in front of me moved forward as he was slippered, so the sadist made him take his shorts down for one on the bare! Right in front of me. It certainly was one heck of a whack and resulted in absolute agony compared to one on the shorts.
So there we are, a 15 year old, slippered on the bare in a state sec. mod.
It was most unusual but it shows that they could do what they liked without fear of any consequences.
Mind you, what idiot is going to complain about it anyway.

Mimi's story above is entirely credible. I don't have the slightest difficulty in believing it.

What I do have difficulty in believing is any suggestion that a post-war state school in England had an official policy of BB punishments.

As ever, anyone claiming to know of such a school without identifying it positively and unambiguously is, in effect, waving a huge banner saying 'Look at me! I'm a fantasist!'

Around 1982 I overheard a conversation on a bus between two boys who attended Christ's College School Blackheath (London). This was a rather down market private school which later featured in newspaper lists of schools which retained CP after state and posh schools had abolished it.

One of the boys was clearly new to the school and was asking his colleague about punishments. The second boy said in a matter of fact way that he needed to keep out of trouble because he'd already had "six whacks with my trousers down". The school's FR site suggests that bare bottom canings were a feature at an earlier date.



I think the Mail on Sunday had an article about Derek Slade's school which reproduced the letter the boy had written to his grandmother. Apart from spelling "whacking" as "wacking" I recall being very impressed by the standard of the boy's handwriting and spelling.

Came out after he was sent down for 3 months (alas he was released on appeal). They gave some quite graphic accounts and were in most papers with descriptions of essay titles such as "Whackings I have had". No doubt Slade kept a personal library of these works. Indeed he slippered one boy for being short of the 400 word length ordered!

Two other schools have been identified as using cp on the bare. One was a caning school with the usual perverts in charge which featured in a Channel 4 documentary. I believe in Surrey but alas its name I cannot remember. The other was Cheam (as frequented by Charles Windsor) which was identified as cp with a wooden paddle or slipper on the bare in a separate building as it was very hard. This was in a documentary on Charles Windsor I recall.



Scotty

I attended a state school in the sixties and believe me there
were no bare bottom canings or slipperings.
I witnessed many canings, slipperings and head slapping but
never a hint of anyone being punished on the bare.
The only time it may have happened would be in the imagination
of some perverted teacher, it would not have been tolerated
in a state school.

State schools were much more controlled with an effective Board of Governors in charge and local guidelines which always emphasised "normal daywear" or similar when it came to slipper or cane.

I think the bare bottom sector was almost exclusively private sector unless "informal"

Scotty

I dont believe it was ever sanctioned or witnessed as such punishments would surely have taken place in private but I know of 2 occasions that it happened when I went to school in the 70s, The first time was at primary school 3 boys one of whom was my cousin were slippered bare in a storeroom for fighting I have no reason to doubt this as my cousin would have had no reason at 10 years old to lie about it.
The 2nd time was when I was 12 and at high school two 5th formers had been bullying younger boys and getting money off them they were caught by the games master and duly punished I was getting changed for pe and the two 2 lads were waiting outside the pe office which was just off the changing room, I heard the games master call the first lad in after about 2 mins there was an almighty crash followed by 2 more then a minute later he emerged fastening his belt up, he said to his mate "its bare" and limped off rubbing his bottom, the 2nd one was called in but I had to head out for football so missed the end of the show.
so I believe it did happen but in private behind closed doors without witnesses.

There is a two hour documentary about Caldicott's pervy headmaster in the 1960s and 1970s, which may well cover his prediliction for bare bottom caning at the same time.

Watch this space, I can feel my bottom twitching even now!

Scotty!

Just in case anyone was wondering. This documentary was entirely about the systematic abuse of pupils by three teachers including the Headmaster of whom only one was convicted. Cases against the other two were dropped as it was felt a "fair" trial would not be possible given the 30 odd years since the alleged offences occurred. Not unsurprisingly the documentary concentrated on this shocking story and did not cover anything else.

It's a shame I cannot remember the title of the other documentary about three brothers at another school who were abused and surprise, surprise, the head was partial to using the cane on the bared buttocks of his victims.

Scott

For those that missed the documentary

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article4820193.ece

I wonder how many teachers or ex-teachers are still looking over their
shoulder's thinking "Am I Next"?
They should be weeded out and exposed as to what they really are,
low life of the highest degree.
They are put in a position of trust and abuse it for their own filthy
perverted pleasure.

Hi Paul, as you know I haven't been here for a while because of reports like this that make me sick to my back teeth. I think you left out one vital component though and that is the amount of Fantastists who should be looking over their shoulders as well.

These low lifes get their kicks from these Little Bay Bare Bum articles and you can see it by the buzz it generates around here on the forum. This is the very reason I stopped coming here for a while and have responded to your post because of your e-mail advising me of your post. We will discuss more on this topic when we meet in Bristol on the 18th.

I don't know who is worse, the perpetrators or the ratbags who get their jollies from reading this rubbish. It only serves to fire up the imagines of the Fantasy Brigade which were kept under control by Lotta who I wish had have kept going instead of taking a hiatis.

The standard of this forum over the years has sadly dropped over the years and it is about time we got stood up to be counted instead of letting it continue and spread through the forum like a cancer. I have no time for people who enjoy writing about little boys being caned on the bare. Who are they trying to fool?

My advice to them is to go and pedal their rubbish somewhere else and let the decent people on this forum get back to discussing realistic non sexual inuendo experiences.

I do not wish to discredit the good genuine people who have had unpleasant experiences, only those who get some sort of sexual kick out of being debauched.

That's all I have to say.

I have written about this before but some time ago. Back in the early 60’s I witnessed two instances of bare bottom punishment to other boys at Thomas Calton Secondary Modern School in South London.

I recall seeing a boy of around 13 years old whacked with a slipper by Mr. Keenan the sports master. He was wearing a tracksuit bottom instead of the standard shorts and the teacher made the punishment fit the crime by making him lower them before bending over to receive a whacking on his bare behind.

The second was only overheard. A boy of probably about the same age was caned by the maths master Mr. Akam for cheating. He was sent to fetch the cane and punishment book from the Headmaster and then taken outside the classroom to receive his punishment. We all heard three strokes being administered to our classmate and assumed that last one was on the hand as it was clearly delivered on bare skin. When the boy told us that he had received all three on the bottom we all knew that the third must have been given with his underpants pulled down although nothing was said to save the poor lad further embarrassment. I recall seeing his bruised behind in the showers a day or two later and it was clear that the punishment had indeed been severe.

I don’t think that I should name the boys but the teachers’ names are correct.

The same college friend who told me about compulsory nude swimming at his boys only school said that the P.E teacher would punish boys for mucking about in the pool by calling them out of the pool and whacking their bare backsides with a "flip flop".

A friend in his late 30s who went to a Catholic boarding school says that the standard punishment (for accumulating too many black marks) was to be caned with your pants down, and that two prefects were sometimes deputized to hold the victim down.

When I was a teenager, I met a boy on holiday who claimed that caning were very common at his school (a tough northern comp). He said that he had witnessed a boy called to the front of the class for a caning who was discovered to have "padded" his trousers (with, he said, a football shin pad). He was made to take his caning pants down "in front of all the girls."

The famous STOPP anti-CP book "Caning: The Last Resort?" reports a story about a gym teacher who punished a whole class of boys (for running riot when a student teacher was covering the lesson). They were all made to take their shorts off, queue up naked, and were given three whacks each with a slipper. (They didn't put their shorts back on until the whole "ceremony" was finished.)This would have been in the 1970s. STOPP (rightly) thought this was an example of why CP should be banned; but it doesn't seem to have been regarded at the time as criminal or abusive.

So it certainly happened; not often, but it happened.

I would have thought that the most telling thing is that the local authority instructions and regulations often specifically said that children were NOT to be caned on the bare flesh; or that they were to be caned "on the clothed buttocks." The flyer from the cane=maker (presumably the guy who made them in his corner shop in Bognor) in the same STOPP book says they (the cane maker) don't agree with caning on the bare flesh. I think that if people are taking the trouble to ban it, they must have thought it sometimes happened. (You don't see LEA regulations saying that children are not to be nailed to walls or bioled alive in oil.)

scotty can you please give me an email addy so we can talk

The only school I know of that punished girls bb was the Herve Villachez academy. But female teachers only.

contact me scotty at xmichaelx118@yahoo.co.uk re slade and cohorts