I love the parents letter. We define obedience as doing exactly what you are told, doing it immediately and doing it with a cheerful heart.

I love the student handbook. First spanking wipes the slate clean but you don't want a second spanking.

http://www.ebenezeracademy.com/letter_to_parents.htm

http://www.ebenezeracademy.com/student_handbook.htm

This teacher chatboard is worth perusing and helps you understand how 200,000 youngsters are paddle every year in the USA. Blacks are more likely to be paddled than Whites but here is a young, bright and articulate Black woman teacher that is all for corporal punishment. I wonder what Barack Obama would think of her? Winona, Missouri is a public school district.

http://teachers.net/states/ar/topic542/11.12.08.08.24.08.html

http://www.explorehoward.com/community/9061/teacher-tells-dr-phil-corporal-punishment-works/

http://www.winona.k12.mo.us/education/components/docmgr/default.php
?sectiondetailid=13&catfilter=8#showDoc

Your chances of getting paddled in Arkansas (Principal's Office Tru TV) are pretty high over the course of your schooling. With 40,000 paddlings each year with Number of Students: 474,206 Number of Teachers: 32,997. Baseball and paddling are the national past time.

The strangest USA school handbook is Eucon International College on the Northern Mariana Islands. Corpun raised a good question. How the K-12 Eucon International School handbook's corporal punishment policy applies to the college students? It could be a copy - paste job from one book to the other, but given their strictness, it wouldnt surprise me if they spanked them also. They coexists on the same campus. Where do you draw the line? Here are the handbooks. Page 54 in the college handbook refers to page 57 and it seems to refer to the K-12 handbook. Ill let you be the judge. That school doesnt sound very American. Sweet land of liberty!

http://www.eucon.edu/user/EIS%20Student%20Handbook.pdf

www.eucon.edu/College%20Student%20Handbook.pdf

Corporal punishment in the bottom link, School Discipline,(c.f. page 195-196) was not just for the South but was the American Way. Look at these 6 recommendations and then go to Corpun and check out student handbooks. New teachers in 1914 are learning about classroom management at a time when they had the tools they needed. Spend some time reading the book (Flip Page Mode) and then tell me the author is not forward thinking or that in 2009 this doesn't make any sense. Isn't it better to empower the teachers than emboldened the students? The anti corporal punishment advocates would never let this side of the story be told or would say that shows you how outdated it is. Common sense never goes out of date.

1. Never administer punishment in anger.

2. If a whip is applied use a "light switch" over the backs of the legs or a light ruler on the palm of the hands, do not strike the head, box the ears, or "shake" the offender.

3. If possible have an adult witness

4. Do not administer such punishment before other pupils.

5. Obtain the consent of the parent beforehand (to confer with parents beforehand will often preclude the necessity of punishment.

6. Keep a record of the offense, the nature of the punishment, and the time and manner of its infliction.

http://www.archive.org/stream/schooldiscipline00bagluoft

CP rate for Alabama is declining less rapidly than other states. Birmingham and Mobile haven't permitted corporal punishment for years, although your likelihood of being on the receiving end of corporal punishment is only one in twenty in the state, it's much higher outside those urban areas. Districts are pretty uniform on how corporal punishment is administered physically but the reasons defy reason. Instead of arguing should or shouldn't, it would be better for them to create disciplinary matrices that are clear and fairly enforced throughout the counties who still have CP and not based on the pet peeves of a particular teacher. For example, in business classes for juniors and seniors in Hartford, Alabama, it is a reasonable surmise there are more girls than boys in the class and the teacher is a woman. Note well, the typo or maybe a spelling error (feat)? Maybe the poor girl was just trying to multi-task, i.e., chewing gum, doing her nails and typing at the same time. They do that all the time in my office. I'm bringing it to work tomorrow; we all need a laugh from time to time. As a Southerner would say: "it's a hoot".

Classroom Procedures

Students are expected to conduct themselves appropriately in the classroom. The following rules apply in the Business Department.

There will be NO eating, drinking, or gum chewing at any time in the classroom. Brushing hair, painting fingernails, and using cosmetics will not be tolerated during class.

Please do not sit or prop feat on tables in the lab.

Failure to adhere to the before mentioned rules will result in the following consequences:
1st Offence: Verbal warning
2nd Offence: Corporal punishment
3rd Offence: Contact parents
4th Offence: Disciplinary referral to Asst. Principal

I know it's off topic but tragedy just struck Samson and Geneva, Alabama. Maybe someday our nation will enact and enforce sensible gun control laws. I'll now never forget Geneva, Alabama because of the coincidence and as always when a tragedy of this proportion occurs my heart is saddened.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/11/alabama.mayors.react/

American Way, possibly it won't have made the news in the US but guns also brought tragedy over here in Europe yesterday. 16 people, many of them school children, shot in a small community in Germany when a former pupil entered a school, shooting pupils and teachers and then fighting a gun battle with police.

That is an anti-republican view you hold American Way. I won't hold it against you though. My views on gun control are anti-liberal so I guess we cancel each other out.

It is my opinion that it is people who kill people not guns. Why not control cars? He used a car to go 12 miles from one house to another. He also used the car to shoot random people on the street.

If we take guns away from law abiding citizens only criminals will have them.

I'm against capital punishment too, I won't debate other issue on this esteem Forum; I'm not a Republican; I'm an Independent and that too me is the American Way.

TWP March 14: "Case in point was a comment by a Bob T. at Network54.com who thinks he knows more than he actually does. We at TWP are always more than happy to answer a challenge with a FACT CHECK of our own."

BOB T: These teachers who like using CP always come up with the same tired old argument, "if we can't paddle them, we will have to kick them out of school". What a crock of rubbish.

Obviously that is not true otherwise all the schools that have abolished SCP would be suspending or expelling as many students as the schools who use CP paddle each year.

http://teacherswhopaddle.wordpress.com/2009/03/

Wilson, John. "Corporal Punishment Revisited." Cambridge Journal of Education, Vol.32 Issue 3 (Nov. 2002), 409.

John Wilson suggests there are six advantages for corporal punishment: cheap and easy to administer, effective deterrent, effective reform, adjustable pain, fair because of similar dislike of pain, no permanent damage.

First is that corporal punishment is cheap and easy to administer. It requires no extra personnel to dispense and the only expense would be that of a paddle. Secondly, Wilson argues that corporal punishment is an effective deterrent, because the physical pain involved with paddling is enough to cause students to stop and think about their behavior before acting. If they know that the consequence for misbehavior involves physical punishment, according to Wilson, students not misbehave. Third, Wilson contends that it is an effective means of reform. The fear of physical pain deters the person from misbehaving and thus reforms the unruly student. Wilson's fourth point advocating corporal punishment is that the pain is adjustable depending on the offense. The negative consequence for one behavior may result in one lick; another may deserve three, depending on the severity of misbehavior. Punishing misbehavior on a sliding scale makes corporal punishment an appropriate punishment. Fifth, is that corporal punishment is a fair punishment to all, since we all have a similar dislike of pain. He contends that since nobody likes pain, pain used as a punishment for all is one that is fair for all. Finally, Wilson says that corporal punishment need not leave permanent damage; thereby making is a viable option for instilling discipline. Wilson argues that these six points are enough to make corporal punishment at the very least should be kept as a form of punishment.

It's the American Way. Why would people still favor corporal punishment in the United States? The question should be how students can learn while they are being punished. Perpetrators need to be held accountable for their infractions. Consider the sanction alternatives for willful misbeahvior or for those hold themselves above the law: suspension or paddling. In school suspension, in which students are sent to a resource room for a day or three gives the students little motivation to behave for the parents and students consider they haven't done anything that bad. Schools are now finding that in school suspension only isn't accomplishing anything. Booneville, AK has the best solution, lose no classroom time with Saturday suspension and that gets a message across but it is expensive and in a way unfair. Some students have absolutely nothing to do. Teachers earn more money if they coach sports or moderate other extracurricular activity on the weekend but likewise have to be paid the same to monitor the students on Saturday. In my city, (no corporal punishment for 30 years), 1800 high school students were suspended outside of school, or one out of three, in the long run what stings the longest, three days out of school or three swats on the buttocks? Parents are given the option to exempt their youngster and the students given a choice. Did Nancy look brutalized or violated or just duly chastened after the maximum (almost everywhere for medical caution) of three swats? Do you think she'll have something to think about over the weekend?

Here is a fact for your friends at TWP. They are terrible mind readers. When they "assume" what I am thinking they make an ass out you and me.

"We at TWP interpret Bob T.s comment as saying that non-paddling schools suspend/expel FEWER students than paddling schools. Another interpretation is that Bob T. doubts that suspension is the next step after the paddle and/or students at non-paddling states are so much BETTER behaved that neither is needed . That line of faulty thinking seems to say that the use of c.p. CAUSES misbehavior in the first place! (So help us! -We will never understand that theory!)"

What a self serving interpretation!

What I was getting at was... schools that use CP say that they use CP rather than suspending the student. They also claim to use CP as a "last resort" instead of suspension. If that were all true then it stands to reason that if SCP were banned then their number of students suspended would go up by the same number of paddlings they inflicted the previous year(s). After all, they claim CP is only used to avoid suspension.

However their own stats show that the numbers are fairly close with the SCP schools suspending a few more students than the non SCP schools. They are using 2004 stats (apparently the most recent available) and I am pleased to see they included North Carolina as a SCP state. North Carolina banned SCP in 05 or 06 so it will be interesting to see how that affects their suspension numbers. Since CP is only used to avoid suspension or as a "last resort" then their suspension numbers should go up by the same number of paddlings they inflicted in 2004.

If not, I guess somebody has been lying about how and when SCP is used. Surely not!

2007 Paddlings in North Carolina 2,705 0.2

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0934191.html (Link, posted under TWP thread on this esteem Forum)


In 2007, the N.C. House considered a bill to ban corporal punishment in the public
schools. It failed by 16 votes (the closest a ban has ever come in our state), but
nevertheless a defeat of the proposal. Under General Assembly rules, a bill to ban
corporal punishment cannot be resubmitted until 2009.


http://www.ncchild.org/action/images/stories/PDFs/Corporal_Punishment_Issue_Brief_final.pdf (Found simply Google: North Carolina Cotporal Punishment)

You said on February 18th: I would debate the issue with you but you are about 3 years too late. I have already debated and won every argument put forth on this forum. I no longer care enough to bother with you.

You should have quit while you were ahead.

I didn't know we had started the debate. You haven't put forth an argument. Also, who will I debate? You or TWP? Not that it matters but I would like to know I am going to debate. Do I need to recruit some anti-cp teachers of my own?

If you want to debate this subject start a new thread outlining your position. I will address the issues on a point by point basis.

I would prefer to debate your teachers from TWP. I doubt they will stop lurking though. It's pretty hard to sell me a load of codswallop when I've already lived it and know exactly how the abuses and excesses occur.

Bob T: Save your breath.

Here is a form that the parents must submit to exempt their child from CP. Obviously, the school crossed it out online so no child would forge their parent signature on the form to escape CP. The second link a sample letter thats virtually a veiled threat to sue a school that doesnt offer the parent the option to exempt their child. I believe the school should offer the parent the option but not the student. Inmates running the asylum kind of thing.

http://www.ectorcountyisd.org/176610728111231193/lib/176610728111231193/RecentRegulationsChanges/FO_EXHIBITS_w%20changes.pdf

http://www.babycenter.com/0_corporal-punishment-exemption-letter_1382266.bc

Check out Booneville Junior High School Tardy Policy. The High School Policy cannot be found online. Is that complex or what? What a hoot!!!

A card system will be implemented to deal with class tardies. A student will be issued a special card with places for four (4) signatures. These cards will be kept on the students person at all times wile they are at school. When a student is tardy to class (periods 2-7), the teacher in that class will sign the card. When the fourth signature is added to the card, the student will be sent to the office. This will result in a choice of corporal punishment or five (5) days of lunch or after school detention. The Student will also be issued a second card of a different color. This card will have a place for two (2) signatures. The first signature on this card will have no consequence. The second signature, and any subsequent tardies, will result in corporal punishment or Saturday School. If the first card is lost, it will be considered to have four signatures with the corresponding consequence. If the second card is lost, it will be considered as have two signatures with the corresponding consequence. Students are reminded that if they lose their card or if they happen to leave it at home, there will be no consequence if they are never tardy to class. If a card has been washed and signatures are not identifiable, it will be considered lost.

http://www.booneville.k12.ar.us/jrhs/handbook.htm#TARDY%20POLICY

American Way, you say of the Boonville Junior High School tardiness policy:

Is that complex or what? What a hoot!!!

I agree entirely. It is that sort of thing that gives school CP a bad name! What has happened to all the unfairness and arbitrariness that made school corporal punishment such a great and character forming institution?

These kids know exactly what the consequences of being late for a class will be. Surely it would be preferable if a teacher simply felt a bit niggly on a particular day as a result of a row with their spouse or whatever, and sent everyone who was late for class on that day to the office to be paddled. Keep 'em guessing and on their toes I say! Or wouldn't that be the American way?

Hi American way, you say of Boonville Arkansas High School tardiness policies:

The High School Policy cannot be found online.

Errm, not quite sure about that.

The High School student handbook appears to be appended to this letter to parents. Indeed, the Boonville High School website here refers to that letter and its addendum as 'BHS Handbook' and the letter itself refers to the addendum as 'this Student Handbook'.

Certainly there is a great deal in the handbook about tardiness and corporal punishment, including what appears to be the tardy policy.

I am no expert in interpreting these rather complex rules, but the tardy policy of the High School appears similar to that of the Junior High School, as corporal punishment as an option appears to come into the picture at tardy 4. Tardies 1 to 3 are recorded, the 4th tardy incurs ½ day Saturday School. At this stage rule 28 presumably becomes operative, though the handbook does not make it clear if in fact a full day of Saturday School has to be incurred before half of it can be commuted for swats. To quote the handbook:

Rule 28: Students May Choose Swats for ½ Day of Saturday School

The 5th tardy incurs 1 day Saturday school. At this stage, as we already know from Nancy, rule 28 definitely becomes operative.

I hope this is what you were looking for.

I am intrigued to note that the tardy policy of the Boonville (Arkansas) High School extends up to the 11th tardy. By this time the student concerned will have incurred:

• ½ day Saturday school or swats,
• a further 1 day Saturday school (or ½ day Saturday school and swats),
• no less than 15 days In School Suspension,
• and 8 days Out of School Suspension!

But at the 11th tardy things get really heavy! Horror of horrors, the student can be banned from driving to school!

I guess that really does say something about the American way!

The Tru Tv video did the school a disservice. IMHO Principal Steve Halter should never have let the cameras rolls and I'm sure their citizenry would agree. A quick look at their website shows they're doing something right as well as the review that speaks well of the school in spite of the negative publicity that underservedly came their way. Quite frankly for a school with a little over 300 students they have an awesome website. Nancy is the president of SADD, a worthwhile organization, and as a future leader I'm sure she's on her way to college. That's quite a turn around from a girl who couldn't be on time. She help raised funds for the March of Dimes. They look like a wholesome group of kids. Don't they? Not like the brats next door. I think you can pick her out in the picture having a good time. On a lighter note, about the 11th tardy the principal got tired of hearing the car trouble excuse and maybe that's why they took car away.

LMAO.

http://www.greatschools.net/school/parentReviews.page?id=211&state=AR

http://www.booneville.k12.ar.us/HS/march%20of%20dimes%20fbla.aspx

http://www.booneville.k12.ar.us/HS/sadd.htm

http://www.marchofdimes.com/aboutus/

http://www.sadd.org/

Of the people - By the people - For the people

Corporal Punishment In Arkansas Schools

The people of Aekansas matter. Corporal punishment in schools remains legal in 13 states, including Arkansas. A study out Wednesday shows our state uses it frequently. Do you agree with spanking children in school?
Yes (78.1%)

No (21.9%)

arkansasmatters.com/content/poll/?poll_id=901 -

Posted September 20, 2008 from Great School Site Arkansas

The Booneville School system, despite all of the negative publicity, is a very good school system. We do offer many advanced classes as well as courses for college credit. Yes, we do have a successful football program here but I can assure you that our football players are held to a higher standerd than the average student. We do not give special treatment to our student athletes. They are required to go to study halls and tutoring, they are punished for not doing school work. They are expected to perform in the classroom. Education comes first. Money spent on the football program is raised through gate reciepts and donations, some money comes from the activity fund. The Band makes their money at football games through concessions, cheerleaders, prancers, and other clubs and organizations make their money through various fundraisers associated with football games. We are all a family. The Bearcat Family.

Submitted by a teacher

Hi American Way. I like your very droll comment regarding the 11th tardy. I completely overlooked that possible explanation of the penalty!

You say of Nancy Guillen:

I think you can pick her out in the picture having a good time

Nancy fans will fare best if they download the top left and bottom right pictures and view them in their own picture viewing software. Due to an error in the HTML the pictures will not display correctly in most browsers, being set to display sizes which slightly distort them. The School 'March of Dimes' page is in fact a classic of how not to write HTML, as the unfortunate viewer is compelled to download full-size pictures only to view them in a very small size and incorrect aspect ratio!

There is an excellent Wikipedia page on Boonville here. It appears that it should possibly have been called Bonneville after an early Arkansas explorer, Captain Benjamin Louis Eulalie de Bonneville. But then again it may have been named in honour of Daniel Boone - who knows? What does seem certain is that from 1874 into the early 20th century it supported a school with a reputation which attracted scholars from all over the state for its advanced curriculum. I suspect that the present High School may not live up to that standard!