I'm sure this will be of interests to an honorary member of this esteem Forum. It's interesting from the Queensland historical perspective to see how attitudes toward corporal punishment have evolved encoded in student handbooks. The more reticence there is to using corporal punishment the stricter the regulations as this time line shows. Keeping of punishment books gives you a flavor of how trivial or serious misbehavior are handled on a quantitative level and how frequently or infrequently they have been used. The kinds of offenses have changed dramatically. Punishment books shows what happens after the fact and gives us information about what misbehavior crosses that threshold and the proportional response but it was left to the discretion of the teacher. Today, IMHO, the discipline matrices as discussed under the Southern school handbooks are the best of both worlds, it preserves fairness and assures transparency for the parents, teachers and students, anything less than that wouldn't be called the American Way.

http://education.qld.gov.au/library/edhistory/topics/corporal/extracts.html

Did you really need to invite the phantom fantasy fetish poster again?

I thought this PDF was worth reading. In our young history there is so little written about CP. I once came across a story about a teacher writing rules with hits with a stick that corresponded to behaviors in the classrooms she was trying to deter. I believe it came from the 19th century American Frontier experience. Maybe someone can help me with this one? Was it from Corpin? It would be helpful to determine the kinds of misbehavior in proportion to the severity of the punishment. It's not a handbook but a rulebook for classroom management. Hopefully, that might be of interest for others? Its a real snapshot of that day. They couldnt imagine a day when cell phones would be used in disciplines matrices in the states. Im sure when this video hit the Taiwan media that teacher must have been surprised that she made the news. She reminded me of the nuns in the sixties who applied the ruler on the palms of the boys hands and rarely the girls. One wouldnt think of remonstrating or flinching, they had such authority. Punishment with a stick on the bottom was reserved for the principals office, who you dealt with at your own peril. Girls were sent to her office came back at the same time as the boys which could not be said of the lavatories. Some things are left better to the imagination. I guess you only bend when you bow in that culture.

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/schoolhistory/dipietro.pdf

http://www.corpun.com/vidsc1.htm

Punishment books in schools with a liberal CP policy are a work of fiction. I don't believe all punishments are entered.

The internet provides us with a wealth of books from 100 years ago and with it a wealth of wisdom. The easiest format is the Internet Archives with its flip book option. The Canadian libraries are a rich resource for the Internet Archives. The oldest is the last link from Scotland. The other two come from America. The first link on School Discipline is remarkably prescient. If you look at the bottom of page 195 to 196, it reads like a Southern CP Handbook. The second link is the Cyclopedia of Education. From pages 82 to 93 deals with CP and is scholarly and I found the section under hygiene interesting. The bottom line is that human nature doesn't change and the most educated people of their time believed that CP when used judiciously, moderately and sparingly can achieve desirable outcomes. The zealots were writing same hogwash even back then but for 100 years teachers didn't give them a willing ear. Now the inmates are running the asylum.

http://www.archive.org/stream/schooldiscipline00bagluoft

http://books.google.com/books?id=TnQYAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA88&lpg=PA88&dq=corporal+punishment+record+keeping&source

http://www.archive.org/stream/practicalhandboo00harduoft

Thank you Mimi, for making my decision easy. I have been staying out of the forum for a while in the hope that it might become a more civil place for other posters. As I find people still throw out inaccurated and offensive insults about me even if I'm not posting, I suppose I may as well come back and participate. I will do my best to be civil. Let's see if others can manage to do the same.

If the cap ( or mortar board fits ) etc....
You are a fraud and the evidence will soon be posted.
Trolls that waste other peoples time by telling lies are a nuisance that mislead the gullible.

Evidence will soon be posted. Yes please. Many have patiently waited waiting patiently for many moons for evidence which will soon be posted soon.

Remember ancient E Ling Broadway proverb which say - Do not promise to post evidence on forum and then not post evidence on forum, but keep saying on forum evidence will be posted.

Kemosabe!


Brave who get smoke signal and wait for next smoke signal wise man, so brave know he read smoke signal correct.

Brave who wait also help brave who make smoke signal put out fire and give smoking brave time to cover tracks.

You have tracks on broad way, may be no fires. May be you have smoking gun instead, and brave with smoking gun need time to dodge foren sick medicine man on broad way and on plains.

TONTO

Readers should be aware that 'Tonto' (Spanish for 'fool') is yet another alias of Steve M.

Tonto say:-

Me may be the Spandiard that blights medicine man's life, then!

White man wait, even on broad way or in big chief's office, and see who fool then.


TONTO

Welcome back Doctor, I've really missed your fantasies.
You're almost believable I grant you that.
My curiosity is getting the better of me and I must ask you what you really
get out of this make-believe, did you fail to become a teacher due to insanity? Or some other reason.
I would really like to know.

Can someone tell me if this has already appeared on Corpun? This is a punishment book record from the Queensland in 1936. I wonder if today's will be lost in cyber space. Maybe someone can decipher better and tell me what it says but I take it the teacher was put out (last extremity)because she had to be at two places at once and was called back to deal with these four laughing and chatting and (??????) as if the were members of a Gaiety Theatre. Hygienic concerns must have had something to do with exempting girls (1902)from CP at the age of 12 and it's worth noting James, Ronald and Peter were struck on the buttocks and Lena on the hand. Maybe someone on this esteem Forum may know where the school is in the Queensland? Little did the four know that their crime and punishment would be frozen in time?



http://education.qld.gov.au/library/edhistory/topics/corporal/regulations.html

The best I could decipher is: The Last Extremity. Twenty times in one hour the Hteacher was examining Baby classes in the next room, had to come in and maintain silence. These four laughed and chatted and skylarked as though they were members of a Gaiety Theatre.

Would you draw the same conclusions about the boys getting it on the buttocks and the girl on the hand? Was she referring to herself for short as the Headteacher? There was a sea change when the word school teacher was used in place of a school master on this side of the pond. Do you think the parents would've been notified in 1936 or was that just an everyday event? I haven't heard the word skylarked used in America. Do we have anyone that would be born around 1936 that could weigh in on this matter?

Hi American Way. You've deciphered most of the record just fine. I don't agree totally though. I don't think it says 'Head Teacher' Look at the other capital T letters, I reckon it's an 'I' not a 'T' I think what it says in full is:

The last Extremity. Twenty times in one hour the H I. also was examining Baby classes in next room, had to come in and maintain silence. These four laughed and chatted and skylarked as though they were members of a Gaiety Theatre

I'm not sure what the 'H I' bit means, unless it's code for Head(teacher) Interrupted (me)! More logically the I is actually the start of the next sentence despite what appears to be a full stop after it, ie 'I also was .....'. If that's the case I haven't a clue what the 'H' might stand for.

If you're not familiar with the usage, 'skylarked' would normally imply 'played boisterously'. Looks as if James and Ronald might have been brothers, or at least had the same surname, to judge from the loops sticking up above the erasure. I doubt that the parents would have been informed by the school in any formal manner. I don't think two strokes would have been any big deal in those days. However, if it was a small community word would doubtless get back to the parents even if the children didn't tell them.

Interesting that the teacher wrote 'on the buttocks', I think 'on the seat' would probably have been used in the UK at that time. Maybe Australians were a bit more down to earth! You are probably correct, but what decided you that the teacher was female?

You mention the exemption from CP of girls aged over 12 and possible reasons therefore. In 1934, a couple of years before this punishment book entry, there was some discussion of this issue in the British Medical Journal. One such article (a PDF file) is to be found here. The medical argument wasn't exactly what you might expect.

The teacher didn't look kindly at the Gores for not keeping their hands out. I would be more ashamed if that ever got out about me. I would rather be known more for being mischievous than being cowardly. The other link is Irish and the names are removed from viewing. www.ballintemplens.ie/recordscorporal%20p.htm

Evidently, when your sins are forgiven the slate is cleaned in Catholic Ireland.

I take it that the English cane cuts and the Irish strap slaps but the Lochgelly tawse hurts like hell. A strap with tails is akin to a paddle with holes. Was it true that the heaviest tawse made, the deservedly known, bravest Scots cower? Was it true they made more of them after the ROSA or the raising of the school age?

Maybe I presumed wrongly but when I read babies in the next room I thought it would be more likely a woman than a man. She seemed to be peevished about being irked. A man wouldn't have been so long suffering, OTOH it could have been the Governor of California, the Kindergaten Cop.

Hi American Way. You seem to be doing extremely well on unearthing punishment books on the web. Note, as I commented earlier in the thread, the use of the euphemism 'seat' in the one you show above rather than the more robust 'buttocks' in the Australian one. There may still be the odd punishment book to be found.

First though, you ask:

Was it true that the heaviest tawse made, the deservedly known, bravest Scots cower? Was it true they made more of them after the ROSA or the raising of the school age?

Nothing makes Scots cower. Try suggesting such a thing in a Fort William pub on a Saturday night! However, it is a fact that consequent upon the raising of the school leaving age from 15 to 16 in 1970 the company John Dick, one of the main tawse producers, sold a ROSLA tawse, consisting essentially of two medium weight tawses overlaid. This is said to have been 15mm thick, and the mind boggles at the damage it might do to a hand! The tawse, usually called the belt in Scotland, was almost invariably used on the palm of the hand. It was used much more generally and more often than classroom punishments in some other parts of the UK.

Teachers at the time of ROSLA felt that not only might older pupils be unruly because they had to stay on at school for an extra year, but they would also be physically bigger and thus require more pain to be inflicted to get the message over.

A pamphlet on the tawse in PDF format is to be found here. You will find brief details of the ROSLA tawse on page 3.

And back to punishment books. These two links, link one and link two are to pictures of two pages from the 1930/31 punishment book of Whitton Open Air School, Ipswich UK. You will note that both boys and girls were being given up to 6 strokes of the cane. Incredibly this was a school for delicate children, hence the 'open air' basis. Fresh air was much touted as a remedy for those of a weak constitution in the 1930s. If canings of that severity were being administered to delicate children one shudders to contemplate the fate of robust children who misbehaved!

These punishment book pages are taken from the website of the Thomas Wolsey School, Ipswich (the later identity of the Whitton Open Air School). The original links to them were posted here by eminent contributor A_Lurkologist at 13:25 on April 21 2008 in the the first section of the huge 'get real girls were never spanked' thread, which is to be found here.

Sadly the Thomas Wolsey website is now being redeveloped, and although the punishment book pictures are still there parts of the old website are now non-functional. Also the arrangement of the pictures on the site means that only one half of the page can be seen at a time. It would be sad if such historical data were to disappear in the website rebuild and thus the pictures above have the half pages stitched together by me for ease of viewing and are in my photobucket. I shall of course remove them if the owners object. For completeness here are the links to the pictures on the old website. The first two are to the cover and introductory page of the punishment book.

http://www.thomaswolsey.com/punishmentbook.htm
http://www.thomaswolsey.com/punishmentbook2.htm
http://www.thomaswolsey.com/punishmentbook3.htm
http://www.thomaswolsey.com/punishmentbook4.htm

Finally on the subject of punishment books one should not overlook the electronic 21st century version. At the risk of bringing down the wrath of Mimi and Steve M on my head Doctor Dominum's thread 'Punishment books in the modern world' to be found here is instructive. As noted in that thread I doubt if in 79 years time habitués of this estimable Forum will be able to peruse the misbehaviours and misfortunes of pupils today in the way that we can with the paper versions above. Forty years in computing has made me only too well aware of the fragility of electronic data!

If somebody who actually knows about Australian education, terminology, etc, can comment without being attacked (I can hope, can't I), allow me to cast a little light on the Queensland punishment book under discussion.

H.I. almost certainly stands for Head Inspector. There were official Inspectors of schools in those days, including a small number of Head Inspectors (each responsible for a particular class of school or subject area). All teachers and schools had to be inspected regularly and a poor inspection report could impede a teachers chance of promotion to a higher classification. For this reason, disruption of an Inspectors examination of a class would be seen by most teachers as very serious. And back then, especially, the ability to maintain proper classroom order was extremely important in the minds of most inspectors, probably more so in Queensland (which can generally be considered to have always been one of the most traditional states when it came to views on education) than in most places.

In 1936, teachers in Queensland government schools were not supposed to use corporal punishment on girls at all - a new regulation from 1934 had banned it. This teacher is recording such a punishment in 1936 - this is a record of an punishment that is not supposed to happen under educational department regulations. However Queensland law as opposed to education department regulations still allowed for the use of corporal punishment by teachers in special circumstances even when the regulations did not - and that's still the case, a teacher successfully used those laws in his defence only last year. I suspect that the reason this entry is so precise is because the teacher in question was deliberately creating a record he or she could use in their defence if necessary. I also wonder if this punishment was administered on the instructors of the Head Inspector. I really can't see a teacher administering a punishment in violation of regulations in the presence of a senior official from the department without their explicit endorsement.

Thank you Doctor Dominum. A most interesting insight into what is, in the light of what you say, a fairly unusual punishment book entry. It may well be that the somewhat strange syntax of the entry indicated the stress the teacher was under due to the presence of the Head Inspector. As you note, the boisterous children in the next room might well have been career limiting!

I am puzzled by the punishment book entry. How could four troublesome children cause such disruption? Were they unsupervised? Why didn't punishment follow after just a couple of warnings?

I recall the school inspectors visiting. Somehow we were conned into believing they were there to inspect us rather than our teachers. We were on our best behaviour.

"She", c.f. March 9th 4:42 am. Of course my view may be colored for I had twelve years of the Sisters of Mercy and their ebbs and flows were easier to read than the phases of the moon. As I said before she was peevish so more inlined to exaggerate. Twenty times big deal, the Nuns taught us not seven times but seventy times seventy times. God help you if you didn't learn the times table on any day of the month.

Hi American Way. I have two friends who had the benefit of a good Catholic education such as you describe. Whilst they certainly suffered rather more CP than was the case in most CofE and non-denominational schools they have both grown up very well equipped to deal with life's vicissitudes!

A L don't be fooled!

August 28, 1963 Dr Martin Luther King Jr., "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." The nations scars are far from being healed but IMHO this form is OTT. Talk about priorities, they dont even ask for their age or for their grade.

Greene County, Tennessee

http://www.greenek12.org/gcsb/Policy%20Procedures%20Manual%20-%20Online_files/6.314%20Exhibit%20A%20Discipline%20Report%20Corporal%20Punishment.pdf

Hi Mimi. I assume that when you say

A L don't be fooled!

you are referring to my response to Doctor Dominum rather than my response to American Way.

If so I've defined my position many times. I may be wrong. If I am wrong when the time comes I'll admit that. Meantime Doctor Dominum is posting on topic and what he says appears to make sense and is interesting in the context of the thread. In that situation if the Devil himself posts I'll give him a civil response unless he gives me cause to do otherwise.

I worked in an environment where if you asked two different people for their opinion on something you'd get two different answers, and it's pretty much the same in my favourite sport, so I'm well used to a bit of discord. I haven't fallen out with anyone in those environments simply because we disagree, and I'm not going to fall out with anyone here for that reason if I can help it. I very much wish that the current situation hadn't arisen, and if it had to arise I wish it hadn't become so unpleasant and threatening. Sadly I can't do anything about either of those things so I carry on as normal. I hope that explains things.

http://www.pulaski.net/student/code.pdf

Greene County has to submit a form to the US Office of Civil Rights to cover their bottoms against a racial discrimination suit, hence, they inquired about race and ethnicity. Tennessee keeps the paper work to a minimum, not so Pulaski County, Kentucky. They have similar demographics with 97.48% White, 1.07% Black. Pulaski incidences of paddling dropped from 111 to 92 from 2000 to 2007. Amazing, considering the loops the Kentucky Department of Education puts them through. Its an eight second paddling with eight hours of paperwork. Scroll to page 23 and 24 in the above link and find out why. The state data is below.

http://www.kidscount.org/cgi-bin/cliks.cgi?action=map_results&subset=KY&areatype=school&indicatorid=330&previewid=&year=2007&Update+Map=Update+Map

An advocate 96 years ago in New York City asked for the abolishment of the prohibition of corporal punishment.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9805EFD8163FE633A25752C0A9649C946296D6CF


The more things change, the more they stay the same. (Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.)
- Alphonse Karr

A L you come across on this forum as an absolute gentleman.
Some people in this world, who are honest and trustworthy tend to believe that others are the same.
It happens again and again that the world becomes aware that we are surounded by lots of con men ( persons ).
I detest liars and cheats.

Mimi,

My views are similar to AL's. At worst, Dr D is a polite and well informed writer of convincing and informative fiction and no more a liar or a cheat than any other writer of fiction. Good fiction does more than entertain - it informs and brings understanding in a way non-fiction cannot. I value Dr D`s writing.

If Dr D is a liar and cheat, to what advantage? Who benefits from his lying and cheating? Who is harmed by the lying and cheating? There is little to titillate in what he writes and he discloses information to his own disadvantage. Why would he go to so much bother to construct such an elaborate hoax?

Mimi, you should be aware that you risk damaging your own standing in the eyes of some every time you attack Dr D. You express yourself forcefully and make often vague assertions. You never (rarely?) respond to requests for specifics or answer points made by Dr D in rebuttal. The contrast with Dr D`s responses is great. He expresses himself moderately and politely with plenty of details many of which are easily checked for veracity. Those who are inclined to side with the underdog tend to side with Dr. D.

Mimi, please consider for a momemnt the possibility that you might be wrong. Do you have an exit strategy?

Hi Mimi. Thank you for the compliment, very much appreciated. The motto of my first school was 'Manners Maketh Man' and I try to live up to that. Nonetheless I fear I have failed to do so a few times on this estimable Forum, which I regret.

I am grateful for the encouragement, help and information you have given me during my time here, which is why I was very sad when the present problem began.

Yes, I can be a little gullible on this Forum, as witness the ease with which Steve involved me with Teresa. However, you'd be amazed how just suspicious of things I am in RL!

My principle here is very simple. If someone posts in accordance with what I know to be true, or what I believe might well be true, and that post is on-topic, or at least within the context of a thread, then I'm happy to accept it and discuss it. If it isn't I might dispute it, but I'm well aware that I might be wrong and the poster might be right. In the case of Doctor Dominum I've had no cause to think that he is other than what he says he is, and I've had some interesting exchanges with him.

KK makes some very valid points regarding Doctor Dominum, in particular that even if he isn't exactly what he says, he hasn't posted anything here which breaches the unwritten but generally understood rules of this Forum, and what he has posted has given rise to much interesting and worthwhile discussion. None of us tried to hound Steve out of the Forum after his various escapades involving completely fictitious posting. It would be wrong if Doctor Dominum was prevented or deterred from posting what is, in my opinion at least, probably the truth.

For those of you who are interested in true accounts of SCP in the first half of the last century in the US you might want to read two books by Jesse Stuart. The auto-bio "The Thread That Runs So True" and the novel "Mr. Gallions School".

Both books are set in the rural area of north east KY and southern OH near Portsmouth. That is where Mr. Stuart was born and lived most of his life. I have been there several times and I can tell you that if someone tells you "you can't get there from here" that is where they are talking about. There are mountains and rivers seperating everything around there. You sometimes have to drive 50 to 100 miles out of your way to get somewhere.

Wikipedia has a nice little article about Mr. Stuart. He started teaching at age 16 and once had a student come back after school to fight him.   

KK, A writer of fiction states it's fiction.
A liar states it's true, when really it's fiction.

Mimi has elevated himself in many peoples eyes.

Mimi, please consider for a momemnt the possibility that you might be wrong. Do you have an exit strategy?

If one is needed, perhaps I can provide one.

I have no doubt that Mimi's intentions are honourable. He is concerned about child abuse, and that is something that all sane and sensible people should be concerned about.

The problems on this forum seem to me to have developed because Mimi concluded I was involved in (or at least, given his doubts about my veracity - which I have no problem with, that I claimed to be involved in) acts of child abuse or had been in the past. This seems to me to be at the root of the problems.

It has become clear over time that Mimi made at least one significant mistake in his reading of what I had written. He somehow came to the conclusion that I had in the past said I had caned a student twelve times on the bare bottom. That was an error on his part. I have never administered such a caning and I have never admitted administering such a caning. In my view, such a caning would probably comprise an act of child abuse and if I misread something somebody had written leading me to believe that was the case, I would also reach the conclusion that they had abused a child - so I can understand how Mimi's misreading lead to his conclusion. It was in error, but I assume it was an honest error. Unfortunately I was unaware that the error had been made for quite a while and so I couldn't address it and things developed adversely in that time.

Further, Mimi has, for some reason decided I am a member of 'fetish sites'. As he has failed on numerous occasions to provide a list of these supposed sites, I'm not entirely sure where he is coming from on this. Giving some statements Mimi has made, I really do wonder if he believes me to have been a member of sites that I have not been a member of. Without a list, I can't be sure of that, and can't address that, but if Mimi has made such an error, once again I assume it's an honest error and I bear no will against those who make an honest mistake. There's also the definite cases where Mimi believes certain sites to be 'fetish sites' while I do not believe them to be so (even though I fully acknowledge that there are some members on those sites whose interest in fetishistic). To an extent, I think whether or not those sites are fetish sites or not is a matter of opinion. My opinion is that they are not, and I have explained in quite a lot of detail why I hold that opinion (in brief, a legitimate site does not become a fetish site just because a fetishist joined it, and as certain subjects always attract some fetishists, a definition that did define a fetish site as one which even a single fetishist joined would completely preclude the existence of legitimate sites on particular subjects and as such sites are useful and needed, such a definition is excessively strict). Mimi's opinion may be different. That's fine - but Mimi does not have the right to insist that everybody else agrees with his opinion on this or any other issue. Express his opinion fine - but I have the right to disagree.

Thirdly, Mimi has expressed the view that I am a fraud. Frankly, I don't really care much about that one at all. I post under a pseudonym to conceal my indentity and in so doing I accept I create very real and legitimate doubt about whether or not I am who I say I am. I think it's entirely legitimate for people to express the view that they don't believe me. So this is, to an extent, a non-issue. I just mention it to point out that I think it's a non-issue.

Fourthly, even if all of the above is a matter of misunderstanding, it remains entirely possible that even fully understanding what I do (or claim to do, allowing for legitimate doubt), Mimi still believes my use of the cane crosses or crossed a line either in terms of severity or frequency. That's an entirely legitimate position - some people think even slapping a child is abusive, some thing the use of an implement makes it abusive, while at the other end of the spectrum, some think beating a child black and blue can be seen as legitimate discipline. Some think corporal punishment should be the last resort used very rarely, some think it should be used as a mid level sanction, and some believe it's the first and only form of punishment to be used. There's a continuum of positions on these points and people certainly have the right to believe my position on that continuum is in the wrong place. And they certainly have the right to say so. But if I disagree with them, I reserve the right to say why I disagree as well. I'm willing to listen to their opinions, I would like the same respect accorded my right to speak.

The paragraph above refers to opinion - this one will refer to law which is much more clear cut. I know the law relating to corporal punishment and to child abuse in my state and country and have been aware of it ever since I became a teacher. Normative corporal punishment is not defined as child abuse. I have never administered a caning that exceeded that allowed for by law at the time. I did administer a few that I would hope a court would find unlawful today, but at the time they were within the law.

In any event - as far as I am concerned, the only 'exit strategy' Mimi needs is to stop accusing me of doing things I never did. I'm prepared to put it all down to honest misunderstanding that comes from a genuine desire to address concerns of child abuse.

It's legitimate to say you think some of the things I actually did were abusive, or went too far, if they exceed where you draw the line. It's absolutely legitimate to suggest somebody hiding behind a pseudonym might be a fake. But some things have gone far further than that.

hey doc, what % of the usual readers and contributers of a site have to be fetishists before its a fetish site?

what % of the people who read what you write here and wherever else do you think are?

think about it for a sec XD

your making yourself look alot like you life in a world of make believe.

More up to date in history is this book on Judging School Discipline, by the scholar Robert Arum, that I found helpful, the contention of this scholarly work is to show that well intentioned litigation has eroded the moral authority of teachers and principals and degraded the quality of American education. Chapter 4 entitled from the Bench to the Paddle has direct bearing on this forum. The fear of lawsuits is driving the decline in use. This was written in 2003 and gives a historical perspective at a time when CP was going through an unprecedented period of decline. Schools that feel secure (against litigation) allow CP for minor offenses without warning while others just the opposite. Strictness and leniency, physical or nonphysical, factor into students perception, but from a student perception its fairness in the rule and in its practice within their school handbook matters and thats true for physical or not physical punishment. The moral authority of the teacher is being threatened when the courts side with student rights over teacher rights. It's a good read even if corporal punishment won't ever comeback which has been true most of the time when it's banned in states. The biggest state of them all, California, once came close to do so, but that was an exception as the book indicates.

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv8pu88C&dq=judging+school+discipline&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=nqS-Sa7mO9eMtgfo-7X4Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPP1,M1

We're looking at the history of School Corporal punishment, that's just an entree into the state entering your home with its anti-spanking laws. You touch you're child you're a criminal; you paddle a student you're a pervert. Generally parents spank don't beat their children. Human nature doesn't change; Sweden was the first to enter the classroom and the first to enter the home with their anti-spanking laws. Where Sweden, the United Nations is soon to follow. Remember, they led the way in reforming the schools to civilize the rest of Europe and won't stop until they're through over here.

Between principal and parents there should be sufficient transparency to hold the teachers who abuse CP accountable. Principals wouldn't be calling cameras into their school if they felt they had something to hide. Its a reasonable surmise that with over 200,000 paddling incidences there would be abuses but there cant be that many unless the parents are casting a blind eye or a deaf ear which is not likely. You can say one is one too many but where do you draw the line. Due process hearings for suspensions, yelling considered CP in New York City, not to mention anti-spanking law in homes proposed but defeated in Massachusetts? You won't read this argument that doesn't fit the Swedish reformers pet theory. You cant enlighten the enlightened because they always think youre sitting in the darkness.

http://faculty.biola.edu/paulp/sweden.html

Bobbi Fielder, the Los Angeles School Board member, was a vociferous advocate of CP and was even willing to take three licks (photo) to show it wasn't brutal. After three terms in Congress, where she didn't seek a fourth term but lost in a Senate bid (brief bio) in 1986. Los Angeles came very close to bringing it back in 1979, God forbid what bad things would have occurred with corporal punishment. It's been a while but Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is a congreswoman from California too.

http://www.spankfacts.freewebspace.com/fielder.htm

http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=F000102

The corporal punishment policy from Guyana appears unique not only because it comes from the government itself but the $2,000 fine incurred for breaches of the policy. On one of the latest updates in Corpun there is a picture of the Chief Education Officer behind these policies.

Corporal punishment

Subject to the manual, the principal of a school having consulted with the board can make rules governing the dress, conduct and discipline of students. These rules have to be approved by the Chief Education Officer, and circulated to parents, among other things.

Provision has been made for corporal punishment which was a prominent feature of the debate during the period of consultation to be retained for the maintenance of order and discipline in schools. Subject to the manual, corporal punishment would be administered only when no other punishment is considered suitable or effective in the particular case, and it may only be administered by the principal, deputy principal or a teacher specifically designated by the principal for the purpose. The Education Act allows for head teachers or an assistant teacher over 20 years of age to administer corporal punishment on students for serious or repeated offences. It should be administered only in the principals office or other private room in the school in the presence of another teacher, and the instrument used must be one prescribed by the regulations and in conformity with the manual.

The draft says that where corporal punishment is administered an entry shall be made in a punishment book which is to be kept in the school for the purpose of indicating the nature and extent of the punishment and the reason for administering it.

Only a female teacher is authorized to administer corporal punishment to a girl.

Anyone other than the specified officials or a parent who administers corporal punishment to a student on school premises would be liable on summary conviction to a fine of two thousand dollars; similarly in cases of other breaches of this section or where someone other than a female teacher administers corporal punishment to a girl.

I wonder what was going through the minds of those who wrote this back in 1933. They certainly had a sense of protocol that rivaled USA student handbook regulations. Did they think striking a girl on the buttocks inappropriate as in any part of the bathing suit area and was the exemption beyond fifteen based on them being considered nubile? ASfter fifteen the boys got it worse. Twelve seemed to be the most popular age limit for girls. Was this because of a change in grade levels based of age or was it in deference to menstruation? Inquiring minds want to know. Kudps to Corpun.

American Way wrote: "Can someone tell me if this has already appeared on Corpun? This is a punishment book record from the Queensland in 1936."

Not on my site itself, but I have for ages had an external link to the Queensland website that includes the punishment book page:

http://www.corpun.com/rules.htm#ozsch

1877 Parlimentary Papers.

CP History