TWP had this to say about a Jokari Paddle: A small wooden oval shaped paddle shaped like a badminton racket. Measurements are 16 to 18 long, 6 wide, and 1/4 to 3/8 thick. The shape is similar to mine (Renee) but mine is smaller at 8 to 9 long, 5 wide and 1/4 thick. Because of Jokari size, we at TWP would probably rate the Jokari Paddle as SOMEWHAT INAPPROPRIATE.

Corpun has noted that some school handbooks specify the dimensions of the paddle as (20" by 4" and half an inch thick. The last photo fits somewhat TWP elemenatary school paddle.

1:30 into the video (Booneville) is a paddle that fits that above description. The Everman Junior High School paddle scene shows the standard paddle (the principal) but the two female teachers, presumably only allowed to paddle their same gender, use a milder jokari paddle or so it appears like at 2:20. By the reenactment the difference seem to compensate. They both looked equally worse for the wear. No school supply place wants to assume the liability as the google book link indicated. The days of holes, explicitly forbidden in some handbooks, have gone by the way side. The duct tape, in Principal Steve Halter's paddle, I'm sure has less to do with the grip but to avoid splintering. Nancy seemed to have an undue fascination woth the paddle. How cool can that be!!!









http://books.google.com/books?id=Msnz7-KMtU8C&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0#PPA18,

The videos follow. Any reservation in viewing them is totally unwarranted. Doctor Dominum wont even watch them. Im sure he would like to write something upon viewing them. For crying out loud the first is from a prime time television program and the second is from a CBS affiliate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD0EfM5f3io&fmt=18

http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=13331@ktvt.dayport.com

All the four photos came up on the preview, we'll see what happens from there. Maybe someone can post them if link image comes up.

Due to a delay reaction and a subsequent revision, I thought it more appropriate to both in the Untitled. I will say this that in August the new numbers for the 2007 to 2008 paddling incidents will probably be below 200,000 in the United States so when you do the math with over 300,000,000 million and even in the few states that paddle frequently parental waivers are published in most student handbooks. Sorry for the confusion!!!



TWP had this to say about a Jokari Paddle: A small wooden oval shaped paddle shaped like a badminton racket. Measurements are 16 to 18 long, 6 wide, and 1/4 to 3/8 thick. The shape is similar to mine (Renee) but mine is smaller at 8 to 9 long, 5 wide and 1/4 thick. Because of Jokari size, we at TWP would probably rate the Jokari Paddle as SOMEWHAT INAPPROPRIATE. They regretted referencing adult sites in their search for a paddle. It can junior and high school paddle can easily be accessed at this adult site. The paddle is called the brute fitting what Corpun mentioned.

http://www.thewilbournegroup.com/Specialties/TheBruteBig.htm

Corpun has noted that some school handbooks specify the dimensions of the paddle as (20" by 4" and half an inch thick). The Google book mentioned school woodshops (a hoist by your own petard moment) for the students who handcrafted them!!! But dont totally buy into that propaganda Google book unless you buy the no spanking link bottom marks from this previously linked photo. If that isnt X rated modeling I dont know what isnt.

http://nospankingzone.org/_wsn/page2.html

The (Booneville) paddling is for by the sounds of her paddling behind closed doors that was typical while the on camera Everman one didn't appear as realistic by judging from the testimony by the girls who gladly chose that option to detention. Peggy Dean's comment about her children choosing candy was ludicrous as TWP referenced in their before summer vacation latest posting. The Everman Junior High School paddle scene shows a paddle (the principal) uses which stands in sharp contrast to the female teacher using something similar to a jokari paddle unlike the swat team. By the reenactment the Anthony Prices paddle shown next to the red lockers seemed to be a fiercer instrument and looks like a woodshop product and not the brute like Steve Halters paddle. No school supply place wants to assume the liability as the Google book link indicated. The duct tape, in Principal Steve Halter's paddle, had to do with not splintering. I'm sure the one on the principal chair is about the grip. Nancy seemed to have an undue fascination with that paddle. How cool can that be!!!

The videos one more time for the readers of this esteem Forum.

http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=13331@ktvt.dayport.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD0EfM5f3io&feature=related

The videos follow. Any reservation in viewing them is totally unwarranted. Doctor Dominum wont even watch them. Im sure he would like to write something upon viewing them. For crying out loud the first is from a prime time television program and the second is from a CBS affiliate.

The reason I exercise caution in viewing such videos is because I have to deal with people on occasion - including on this forum - who would try and claim that the fact I had viewed such a video was somehow proof that I was some sort of pervert. Just as they tried to repeatedly claim that the fact that I'd posted something completely innocent on a discussion group concerning school uniforms somehow proved I was some sort of pervert. They have a very peculiar view of the world and I get rather sick of having their peculiar views used as an excuse to attack me.

The videos concerned may be entirely innocent. That doesn't change the fact that there are people out there who'll try to use the fact I viewed them as ammunition against me.

I am particularly careful when it comes to videos because of an experience a few years ago. A person - who has posted in both my own schoolcp group, and I believe here, under a wide number of different names - was involved in a discussion with me where he suggested I should examine some videos he'd put online depicting corporal punishment in boys schools and tell people if they accurately depicted corporal punishment in schools or not - the discussion concerned what caning was really like. How much force was used, etc.

He made no secret of the fact that some of these videos were drawn from pornographic productions, but he'd edited them down to remove the pornographic content (in particular those scenes that involved nudity) so I didn't need to view them. Other scenes involved were taken from mainstream movies and similar.

After numerous discussions with him that convinced me, at the time, that he was a reasonable and fair minded individual interested in genuine discussion, I agreed to his suggestion. Because, frankly, there's so much nonsense out there being peddled about what is and isn't accurate concerning corporal punishment that I thought trying to provide this information was useful and I couldn't see any other way it could come close to being done.

So I did as he asked - and then suddenly he went on the attack. Claiming that the fact I'd obviously viewed these videos meant I was obviously a pervert.

In short, I was set up by somebody trying to push their agenda, and undermine me.

Since then, I've been extremely careful about viewing any video footage online unless I know exactly what it is, and even more cautious about discussing it.

But OK - I'll take a chance here that this will not happen again. We'll see. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is, I will be attacked and having explained my position very carefully, the attackers, if any, will be exposed as the reactionary, unreasonable, presence that they are.

I'll look at these videos and comment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD0EfM5f3io&fmt=18

http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=13331@ktvt.dayport.com

Honestly, I don't have a lot to say after viewing them. It's looking at a fairly alien system, quite different from what I know and it's difficult to say all that much about it. I'll try though.

The first comment - frankly the strokes of the paddle seen in the second demonstration video seem fairly mild to me. I don't want to second guess the school - if they say it works, fine - but to me, they look too weak and mild to be effective.

Now, I could be wrong on that - perhaps those strokes hurt more than they look. If so, though, it explains to me some of the awful pictures I've seen in the past of bruises supposedly inflicted by paddling that go far, far beyond what I could ever see as reasonable corporal punishment - because if those mild looking strokes actually cause significant pain, it would be very easy to cause significant damage with a truly hard stroke.

The cane can cause significant injury as well - but only when used with extreme force in my experience - which has happened on occasion - but to me, I wonder if the paddle is capable of inflicting worse damage with even fairly moderate force. With a cane, if you try and hit too hard, you lose accuracy, which tends to be a limiting factor - I'm not certain it would be that way with a paddle.

Other comments... the kids statements in the second video - in content, if not in style, probably match what a lot of my own students would say.

Really all I can say at the moment.

(one note for the moderators - I was under the impression that if I was logged in, messages would appear more quickly than if I wasn't. That does not seem to be happening. I'm happy to log in if it really does make a difference, but I worry that it reduces my security for no reason if it doesn't).

All the four photos came up on the preview, we'll see what happens from there. Maybe someone can post them if link image comes up.

De D: The Junior High School Paddling was less severe than the Booneville High School paddling (understandably age apprpriate) and much less severe than the paddling administered on the elementary school level as in TWP. If the the swats are limited to 5 which is about as many as allowed today, I doubt significant bruising will occur and I'm sure the parents would let someone know. Also, as in the Miss Martindale posting, I would give fair warning if there was concerns about pornography.

Dr Dominum: The stroke versus swats was part of a previous thread. From a pain factor they hurt about the same but in a different way but you would have to ask someone on the receiving end and chances are that would be among consenting adults. The positive factor of the cane is that the stripes heal quicker but it takes skills to use the cane. With the paddle all you have to do is avoid the tailbone. I think the difference between the cane and the paddle have more to do with they way it's applied and not the instrument.

As far as bruising in elementary school TWP wrote.

http://teacherswhopaddle.wordpress.com/2008/11/22/how-jenny-handled-a-parents-paddling-complaint/

There are a few heart rending photos that represent the rare extreme and generally involve smaller children and have ended up in court where legal remedies prevailed. The anti CP zealots rant and rave and get a lot of mileage out of these incidences that rightly arouse outrage.

What is unreasonable and excessive to one may not be to another as seen in the two links that follow. To put it into some context I don't think children should be hit after they are of age to drop out after 16. I believe these bruises are real in the below link and are borderline severe because they're not deep tissue bruising and only a little blistering but not so the seventeen year old Texas girl who purportedly received. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have the picture of the Texan girl shown directly as it was by the anti CP zealots because it looks X-Rated to me but I might be prudish.

A seventeen year old boy shouldn't be running home to his mummy sporting bruises on his bum. Nancy of Booneville took her medicine and I'm sure had some bruises to show for it. I'm not 100% sure but at 17 he was probably given another option and wanted to take the easy way out but found there was no easy way out as to a certain extent Nancy did. The mother acted so surprised, I guess her son is a perfect angel at home. At that age the swat ought to be hard if you don't want the student to laugh. What did she expect for her poor baby a swat without leaving an impression? I say to the mother sorry lady in a civil suit you just need a preponderance of evidence and you couldn't muster a case so ho hum. You weren't even able to change the school policy judging by the latest school handbook.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/mom-says-school-took-corporal-punishment-too-far/1055185747

http://cbs11tv.com/local/student.Corporal.Punishment.2.710847.html

Of course any instrument is meant to do what it is designed for and punishment is meant to be painful and like the cane when properly applied can accomplish that without the bruises and welts that are seen so often in Technicolor. A recent case involved a child who was paddled several times in the same day and rightly there were rightfully legal repercussions. Recently holes have been forbidden and few cases, albeit however few are too many, result in anything more than discoloration. No one likes to be hit and if some students prefer this to sitting still for 4 hours on a Saturday morning or an in school suspension than they are not being hit as hard with the paddle as the opponents of corporal punishment would like people to believe. Im sure the teachers calibrate the relative unpleasant impact that the options result in. If all choose one option than obviously the relative severity of the sanctions need to be reconsidered. I dont think anyone enjoys hitting someone unless it is done in a moment of weakness in anger or to relieve frustration and I dont think anyone likes to see a child or adolescent isolated unless one is vindictive and who would consider such a person to be a good teacher never mind a good human being. From what I can gather teachers are parents, at least most of them are, and I think they wouldnt inflict punishment their students any differently than their own or how they would expect their children to be treated by another teacher. Unfortunately, more and more, we live in a permissive society where everything goes and disorder prevails and then everyone acts surprised at the disrespect and misbehavior they encounter around them. Few would deny that the States where corporal punishment is still practiced are not areas of the country where you would find the behavior and disrespect that prevails elsewhere. CP is not a panacea but when a social system is in place where parents and teachers are on the same page with regard to discipline and other issues youre better off than without it. Put another way, where would you find it hardest to get away with murder, certainly not the South and thats not necessarily a bad thing unless your inclined otherwise.

Dr Dominum: In your June 7th posting you wrote: "Kids statements in the second video - in content, if not in style, probably match what a lot of my own students would say".

Would you say that some stood withstand pain better than others and prefer that sanction over others? Some paddlings must hurt more than others because that seem to be too true in Everman Junior High School. Maybe that wasn't a true representation of the student body (more girls than guys interviewed) as well as not a true renactment but may be more painful than the cane given their visceral reaction. Which you would know better than others.

Kids do know whats good for them as opposed to what Peggy Dean, a known anti CP zealot said: We dont allow them to eat candy all day when asked about students opting to take paddling over detentions. How asinine. Teens have been giving their opinion on corporal punishment since 1988 and IMHO they do have a right to be heard even though many may disagree with me on this issue. Would the student views in the South be similar to your students in Australia.

http://www.teenink.com/Poetry/article.php?link=Past/1997/8772.xml

Wouldn't be a wonderful resource for us to be able to evaluate our teachers anonymously in our day? Dr Dominum must now about this site in Australia and we hope his students do. Are members of our estimable Forum aware of this site? Maybe some of your teachers are still teaching and you can see if you concur?

Rate My Teacher: A site that allows students to anonymously grade their teachers.
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This is a remarkable site. I just made it my home page. It's a conglomearation of newspapers and magazines that some may like. I've been having fun navigating.

http://fastflip.googlelabs.com/sources

My voice jogged a memory of a classmate and after a stare or two we spent the next two hours chatting about our catholic school days. Whether it was in the sixth grade that the first girl wore a bra or did it just seem that way because hers were colored. A few days later I ran up with his wife out together and of course the topic changed. She is a school teacher and our horror stories focused on one sister. He once told his wife that she ran her fingers down the front of his trousers and he slapped it away in eighth grade.

She said his folks would never allow her to get away with hitting because they weren't as Catholic as mine. She sagely said she was an expert in stinging you where it hurt the most. I joked and said I would rather be hit than be molested. She said it was no laughing matter and said that bee had radar and knew where to sting. He has never got over his rejection. She couldn't touch his body. Yours was physical his was the sting of rejection.

What do you think of this somewhat off topic arricle? Interesting?


THE STING OF REJECTION