It is shocking, or pleasant, depends how you see it, that there are still several countries which permit caning or paddling in schools. I have been on Corpun which lists these countries with even some video clips and photos showing both boys and girls being caned or paddled at school, many of them in front of class, some even showing male teachers caning girls on buttocks and also female teachers caning boys. Admittedly most of these schools are in third world countries like Asia, Africa, Caribean etc.
Does anyone know of any schools in the West like Europe, America, Australia etc. that still use the cane or any sort of CP? I know that in some American states it is still allowed.

Hi Willy. I launched a bit of a broadside at you in the 'A harsh and humiliating form of punishment?' thread, but despite that I did mean the welcome at the start of that post, so I'll try and make amends here.

There is still caning in some Australian schools. We are very fortunate to have as a contributor here Doctor Dominum who is a Deputy Headmaster in one such school. If you have an interest in the place of corporal punishment as a sanction in schools or are interested in education and the administration of schools in general you will find a great deal of interesting and thought provoking material from him in this Forum. As a starting point I would commend to you his recent thread 'Term 1 2009 Running List' which you will find here.

In that thread Doctor Dominum posts substantial extracts from the digital punishment register maintained at his school. The initial post is superseded by a more complete post lower down the thread on 30 August 2009. You will need to invest a little time to understand the layout of the register and what the entries mean, but once you have done that you will I am sure find it, and the thread generally, of interest. If you have any questions regarding the punishment register or indeed any of Doctor Dominum's posts he is usually very helpful in answering sensible and reasonable queries posted here. You must understand though that for obvious reasons he is unlikely to name individual schools, including his own, that use corporal punishment.

Doctor Dominum's school is a boys school. I infer from what Doctor Dominum has said on occasion that girls may still sometimes be caned in some Australian schools. Figures given recently by another most informative Australian contributor Dean Clarke indicated that in the Australian State of Victoria, where Doctor Dominum's school is situated, corporal punishment was still available as a sanction in 16 schools, of which 10 are co-educational, 4 are boys schools and two are girls schools. Note that although a sanction may be available it isn't necessarily being used regularly if at all.

As with Doctor Dominum, you will find many excellent and interesting postings from Dean Clarke on corporal punishment in Australian Schools. The data I quote above was posted in the form of a chart in the 'Naming a school - an experiment' thread which you will find here. This thread was started by a female Australian contributor Halfpenny, who was caned in a school in Victoria, Australia, in the mid 1990s. As the thread name suggests, in this case she does name the school. It does not use corporal punishment now due to a change of ethos and Headmaster.

Turning to the United States, there is absolutely no doubt that both boys and girls are paddled in many schools in certain States. The amount of data available in this Forum is immense, as we are fortunate to have a contributor American Way who unearths and posts vast amount of data on the subject. In Australia, and specifically in Victoria, school corporal punishment is extremely politically sensitive, and schools are seldom named. This is not the situation in the USA. Although there is considerable oppositon to school cp there the open nature of their society means that a huge amount of information on what happens in individual schools is available, down to the numbers of boys and girls on the school role and how many paddlings are administered to each sex each year. There are also disciplinary matrices for the individual schools saying how many swats (paddle strokes) will be administered for which offences and sometimes by whom, where and when! In short, if paddling floats your boat, an absolute cornucopia of information!

There is so much information on paddling in the USA posted here now that I hesitate to nominate a specific thread for you to look at. I'm going to take the easy way out and ask American Way if he'll be so kind as to nominate the thread he thinks it would be most instructive for you to look at initially. Over to you American Way.

Thanks for the information. I will try to read those posts as soon as I can.

Hi Willy. Sadly American Way doesn't seem to want to respond to my request to point you at the best place to get up to speed on schools still paddling in the US. However if you are now following this estimable Forum I'm sure you're getting a feel for the threads he posts in and the type of information he posts. As you've probably gathered, a vast amount information is available for each and every paddling school, and there's lots and lots of them!

Hi Lurker, do you know of any British schools which still hold the privilege to cane?
I know that the banning of CP in British schools was done very gradually and the last to be forced to implement the ban were the private aka public schools, unless I am mistaken. And this was quite a few years after the rest of the other schools. But I wonder if any few posh or exclusive schools still held that privilege.
It seems from this forum that this is the case in Australia from where a headmaster or school official is posting the day to day happenings at this school, though it is hard to tell whether this is just fantasy for fun or actual. But I suppose I must ask the person in particular about this.
About the American Boy I still have to read his contibutions and probably ask him a few questions later. Thanks for your interest.

Hi no uk School is allowed to use any form of physical discipline at all. Any that did would fall foul of the rigid UK law banning any form of Cp. In fact even to restrain a kid can land a teacher in hot water. If they caned or slippered them then it would have dire consequence for the teacher in question. They was a case a while back where a Christian based faith school which was outside of the national curriculum appealed against the no smacking rule .. or somthing along those lines. It was squashed. Even privatly in homes anything more than a "mild smack" that dont leave marks or bruising is considered outside of the law. If this is right or not only time will tell. I recall the good old days when balck board rubbers / chalk and anything else could be launched like a missile to a kids head ... Oh we are all so PC these days! We have empowered our youth - told them they are all equal - and soon or later it will come back to bite us. But maybe thats another thread. But no im my humblest of know how no UK school allows this.
Deesclay

I trust I am right in assuming that new contributor Willy is unconnected to 'Silly Willy' - one of the former Carl and Mats moderating team.

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We is still here Brain 4 we is not former and we is doing the moderatione for all we is worth. It jus that RALPHY do no let us send messuages and that v ofton because he say our messagues do lower the tone of the foro now that we has got all the intelligencia writting for us and we is v gratefull for them. Thank you. But RALPHY say this is your foro boys and if BIG RAY do want to get his scaner out and do some stuff for our MOI then that is v good. Thank you.

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I trust I am right in assuming that new contributor Willy is unconnected to 'Silly Willy' - one of the former Carl and Mats moderating team.

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I assure you I have never heard of the afore mentioned team. But names do get mixed up sometimes. I suppose I should have put a number after my name or just posted as Willy Nilly. With full Copyright.

Thanks for the Mats team for their clarification.

Hi Willy. Don't let my esteemed fellow contributor Brian 4 unsettle you. He is a very sound chap and a stalwart of this estimable Forum from the very earliest days, long before I arrived here. However he likes to throw in the odd controversial post just to keep everyone on their toes!

I can confirm that to the best of my knowledge Deesclay is absolutely correct. With the ban in Northern Irish private schools in, I think, 2003 (a similar ban having already come into effect in Scotland in 2000 and in England and Wales in 1998) the spectre of quick, effective retribution for sins was banished from the consideration of UK schoolchildren. The nearest thing to a physical punishment you will find in a UK school now is requiring children to remove their shoes for kicking, and even that will get the unfortunate teacher hauled up before the General Teaching Council.

You say:

It seems from this forum that this is the case in Australia from where a headmaster or school official is posting the day to day happenings at this school, though it is hard to tell whether this is just fantasy for fun or actual.

Doctor Dominum is a Deputy Headmaster. You are entitled to doubt his authenticity, though I think you'd be wrong. You would most certainly be wrong to suppose that there are no Australian schools using CP.

Hi Deesclay I don't recall your name recently, so if you are new here may I say a personal welcome. I hope you'll decide to post again. You say:

We have empowered our youth - told them they are all equal - and sooner or later it will come back to bite us.

I find myself in strong agreement with those sentiments, though I think sooner or later is perhaps overly optimistic. The problems consequent upon the removal of the CP sanction in schools are here and now!

Hi Carl and Mats, it is very good to hear from you and I think it is absolutely scandalous that your input here should be in any way restricted, especially after all those years of faithful and loyal service!

Hi Another_Lurker I did post 1 time here ages ago in a slippering thread. Normally I lurk And yes I feel we have given away to many rights to our younger generation. Where is the respect or a healthy fear of authority. Kids today fully know they protected and some of course abuse this. Im not 100% for CP in schools as in the past I think at times it was over used ... but it could still play a valid part as one of the ultimate sanctions for disobedience. My wife and me agree that with our 2 (wonderful) brats that we would have not been against it within reason. The only limit being as the wife says she would not ever have allowed a male teacher to dish out a walloping but female then within reason yes certainly! But alas we dont even get the choice these days. And to even utter such words is enough to get you lined up n shot at dawn by the PC gang. I could rant for ever on this but it would get us no where. And nice to meet you to Mr Another_Lurker Deesclay