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Some real school corporal punishment

May 30 2010 at 1:13 PM
KKirin 

 
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b1ebd4g/n/1068776396_1_.flv
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b1eb971/n/1688654170_1_.flv
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b3610g3/n/1176595158_1_.flv

Students equipped with cellphones have recorded numerous scenes of fellow students getting whacked by their teachers. I've started to look for such material recently and am amazed at what's out there. Anybody with a similar interest here? We could share our finds. I have quite a collection by now. I am not interested in privately produced vids depicting the sexual abuse of minors.

I am in particular looking to make contact with people in Africa, South East Asia, Korea, China, Taiwan and Japan.

KKirin12345@yahoo.com

 
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Another_Lurker

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

May 30 2010, 9:51 PM 

Hmm, it's a great pity the 'Students equipped with cellphones' don't know which way up to hold them! happy.gif And if that middle one is 'Some real school corporal punishment' why are the teacher and the pupils falling about laughing?

 
 

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

June 3 2010, 2:55 PM 

could you post some more form your collection please you have some interesting finds

 
 
Ketek

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

June 4 2010, 4:40 AM 

Are you intesrested only in school corporal punishment for males? (As the three vids you posted are only boys)

 
 
KKirin

Some more

June 4 2010, 6:56 PM 


 
 
KKirin

Sorry, the third one...

June 4 2010, 7:02 PM 


 
 

Another_Lurker

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

June 5 2010, 4:15 AM 

Hi KKirin. I'm afraid that I was somewhat less than complementary about your initial batch of videos but I have to say that your second batch is of excellent quality and all appear real, at least to me. As you have possibly noticed the question of punishment on the hands is currently being aired in the Tawse thread, and I hope to make some comments there later based on your videos.

Whilst your interest is obviously in extending your collection with new material I assume that you are aware of the several student shot videos already on the excellent Corpun.com site. If not a glance down the index list on this page will find many items from your target countries. You may not wish to do so, but it is probable that Colin Farrell who runs the Corpun.com site would appreciate details of the original location of some of the material you have found. I have found him very pleasant to deal with when I have passed on press reports in the past. Details of how to contact him are at the very bottom of this rather large page.

 
 
KKirin

Some more...

June 5 2010, 10:48 AM 


 
 
webbjoe

where?

June 5 2010, 11:17 AM 

Where are you finding this stuff m8

 
 

Another_Lurker

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

June 5 2010, 3:35 PM 

Hi KKirin. Was there any indication where you found the video as to what 'crime' the unfortunate girl in the second video in your last post had committed? To earn a caning as hard and as many strokes as that in front of what was presumably the whole of a fairly large school assembled to witness the event leads one to assume it was something pretty bad! My impression was that the boys subsequently called out of the audience were caned for expressing dissent over the girl's punishment.

 
 
American Way

Vietnamese secondary school corporal punishment

June 5 2010, 11:53 PM 

webbjoe: These are the latest I've found and have alread shared. I would say that there is little levity found in this Vietnamese classroom, unlike jocular or other cases of real CP, perhaps because a good percentage of the students were on the receiving end. Corporal punishment could be so common that it doesn't even raise an eyebrow. One of the girls bucked up. In a country where loss of face matters she more than acquitted herself and represented her gender with both courage and dignity.

The cyberworld is small and I wonder if the paparazzi will suffer consequences. Younger children in the earlier grades would be less likely capture thses moments that I suspect go on there as well. Unlike Australia it will probably stay up on you tube. The poor quality may keep it out of Corpun. The duck bill platypus instrument of correction is somewhat unique.

http://video.zing.vn/video/profile/goodnight92.html

 
 
Ketek

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

June 6 2010, 6:13 AM 

The video of the girl and boy caned in front of the assambled school in Africa was originally posted in a personal page of a Chinese citizen in a professional trip to that region of Africa. He asked his guide about the incident later, and was told the students were caned for being late in the morning to school. I had that clip recorded as "December 11, 2007.Muslim Agricultural Secondary School Ai Hamo.Sierra Leone." but I can't assure you that school name and county are the right ones. Sorry.

KKirin, I've sent you mail. Hope it reaches you.

 
 
KKirin

Some more...

June 6 2010, 9:00 AM 

http://www.filefactory.com/file/b1eb479/n/1239222521_1_.flv
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b1eb514/n/Clip_t_h_nh_l_p_11A_NKTT.flv
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b1eb555/n/1158399686_1_.flv
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b1eb8a5/n/1262015925_1_.flv

I don't think that all of them are interesting, but taste varies. Just check the "preview" button to see whether you think it's worth downloading.

Ketek: I didn't get your e-mail. Please try KKirin12345@gmail.com - Yahoo seems to be unreliable lately.

I did indeed obtain the video of the girl and the boys being caned in some school in Africa from a Chinese site. There was an explanatory caption, but I don't remember what it said. I couldn't find the site right now, but will check again when I have more time.


 
 
KKirin

African clip

June 6 2010, 2:53 PM 

I found the site I downloaded the African clip from. The clip was indeed shot by a Chinese who, on December 11, 2007, came to that school before 8.00 and saw the entrances blocked by teachers rounding up latecomers. The clip shows their punishment. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to say anywhere on that site in which country the school is located, but it's indeed an agricultural secondary school. It doesn't really say why the Chinese went to that school, just that he became interested because he had never seen an agricultural school "in this country".

Chinese is not my native language, but this should about be the meaning of the caption.

 
 

Another_Lurker

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

June 7 2010, 12:47 AM 

Thank you Ketek and KKirin. I am indebted to you both for taking the trouble to respond with the information on the African Agricultural School video.

I have posted here in the past about how surprised I was back in the early 1960s when I gave a lift to a Scottish schoolgirl who had missed her school bus and she announced that if we didn't get there in time she'd get belted for lateness - the tawse on the hands. At that time I don't think girls in English schools would have been likely to encounter corporal punishment for a similar offence.

Clearly over forty years later children in Sierra Leone (if that is indeed where the school in question is) still have things a great deal harder than even my young Scottish acquaintance if they are late for school. While what was happening in the early part of the video was not clear the girl whose complete punishment we see in more detail received 6 very hard strokes of the cane. The two boys whose caning interrupted the girl's punishment received only three strokes each. As noted above my impression was that this was for vocal protest at the girl's punishment.

Interestingly both boys and girls were required to kneel and sit back on their heels for their canings, a mode of punishment much discussed in this estimable forum when the unfortunate beer sipping Malaysian model was threatened with caning by a Syariah Court, and pictured in this post. This posture, and the girl's dress, would be consistent with the school being a Muslim Agricultural Secondary School as stated by Ketek.

Thanks also to KKirin for the latest batch of videos. Some of those teachers really do put on a good performance. The lady teacher in the last video appears to have her class very well under control! One has to feel sorry for the poor lad who was frightened to put his hand out. I thought he was never going to be allowed to escape! happy.gif However the real star of the show was the red shirted male teacher with the fearsome looking punishment implement in the second video. This was clearly punishment session and highly theatrical entertainment performance combined, and pupils were quite openly videoing it. The dramatic pointing to (presumably) the name of the next victim on the blackboard was a masterly touch, as was the ceremonial crossing out of the name after due punishment was administered. He'd certainly have been able to provide some competition for my greatly admired window pole hurling English teacher! happy.gif

 
 
KKirin

Some more...

June 7 2010, 6:57 AM 

I've extracted stills from my video collection. People interested in this material are welcome to make contact. Obviously, messages from people who have something to share are particular welcome.

99% of the list contain videos depicting students being punished by their teachers. A few contain videos of students beating each other for fun. This is all material caught by students with their cellphones. The list does not contain any "privately produced" images of sexual abuse of minors, and I'm not interested in receiving such material.

I'm afraid the software I used for exctracting the stills extracted several stills per video, so the file is very big. I unfortunately had no time to sort the list. The quality of the clips varies, some are very good, in others, it's barely recognizable what's going on. A few of the folders are empty. I have the corresponding video, but the software failed to extract images, I've no idea why.

http://files.mail.ru/FD4O16
http://files.mail.ru/3KHT4Y

In case you don't know yet: kkirin12345@yahoo.com wink.gif

 
 

videos

June 8 2010, 1:46 PM 

I did have the agricultural school clip. My information is that it is from Sierra Leone. I am going to fillet out the relevant part and resynch the sound before putting it on my site in due course.
KKirin: I am contacting you privately. Please contact me if you don't get a mail from me.

 
 
American Way

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

June 8 2010, 8:13 PM 

Paddlings, however frequent, are rarely filmed for they take place in an office far from classroom cameras. These three light licks are not comparable to a high school paddling that is up to 5 swats by accounts.

http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=13331@ktvt.dayport.com

The sounds of a three swat paddling often shown video seems hatsher than the middle school demonstration. from the audio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD0EfM5f3io

There was a caning recorded (audio) at Dr Dominum's school that was up for a brief time on You Tube.

A recent account by Renee, a frequent poster here wrote a paddling she administered.

SMACK SMACK SMACK SMACK SMACK

Even behind closed doors, anyone in the hallways outside the office would have heard it! And Nashia, the roughest girl in the school was reduced to tears and clutching her rear as she was sent back to her class.


Nashia would be in a fools paradise if she thought her paddling would be like a middle school one.

 
 
KKirin

Some more...

June 19 2010, 5:14 PM 

http://files.mail.ru/LMNBDL

I deleted the previous files as people by now should have gotten a chance to download them.


 
 
KKirin

Some more...

June 19 2010, 8:23 PM 

My last message doesn't seem to have made it.

Anyway, a few more videos for those who are interested:

http://www.filefactory.com/file/b221c29/n/tw23.flv
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b221bd0/n/tw37.flv
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b221beh/n/cn10.flv

 
 

Another_Lurker

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

June 20 2010, 1:11 AM 

Thank you KKirin. Your efforts are very much appreciated. If the sound in that last one is anything to go by it is truly written that the female of the species is deadlier than the male! happy.gif

I am truly astounded at the number of items you have collected and am still working through your index files. Sadly I don't have anything to trade. In those circumstances are you likely to be willing to make one or two 'requests' available here please?

 
 
KKirin

@Another_Lurker (and everyone else who's interested ;-))

June 20 2010, 8:58 AM 

Sure! I've collected quite a lot of new material since I last uploaded my list of videos. I can't share everything as I got some of the videos from other people interested in the topic, but to the extent possible, you can have whatever you like. Some of the clips are very interesting (I think), others aren't - but people have different tastes, so it might be just the videos I consider boring that you particularly like. Feel free to send me an e-mail (KKirin12345 at yahoo.com) and you'll get a thumbnail list of my clips.

 
 
KKirin

Nocut

June 20 2010, 12:17 PM 

"Nocut" is a forum run by students in South Korea campaigning against hair regulations in school. Violators risk getting a rather unstylish haircut by a teacher. The forum contains a photo section. Most pictures show the result of punitive haircuts, some show the effects of corporal punishment.

http://idoo.net/?menu=nocut=photo

 
 

Would be interesting...

June 20 2010, 2:11 PM 

... to talk to Winston wink.gif

 
 
hcj

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

June 20 2010, 4:47 PM 

KKirin, There is a small error in your link to the nocut pictures.

It should read http://idoo.net/?menu=nocut=photo

 
 
KKirin

"Nocut" - correct link

June 20 2010, 4:53 PM 


 
 
hcj

Mystery error

June 20 2010, 4:59 PM 

Sorry, I'm afraid Network 54 has mangled my attempt to post the correct url for this site as well. Bear with me while I think of another way to present it. I will warn you, it isn't pleasant viewing.

 
 
hcj

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

June 20 2010, 5:06 PM 

Let's try this:

click here to see the nocut forum pictures

As mentioned above, some of the images are rather graphic. Please be warned.

 
 
hcj

Oops!

June 20 2010, 5:09 PM 

That doesn't work either. I will need to consult our resident experts.

I would be grateful if the moderators would delete the unsuccessful posts.

 
 
Ketek

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

June 20 2010, 5:18 PM 

Maybe this will help?
http://tinyurl.com/23k7arf

 
 
hcj

Thanks

June 20 2010, 8:40 PM 

Thank you Ketek. I understand the problem occurs when switching between Preview and Edit. You have a better solution.

 
 

Another_Lurker

That URL

June 21 2010, 4:11 AM 

Just to clarify the URL problem. The basic difficulty was that the Network54 parser had decided that it didn't like the format of the URL, specifically the &sub and was substituting this with other characters or deleting it. It often does this sort of thing, it prefers old fashioned URLs ending in .htm or .html! happy.gif It should be possible to fool the parser by substituting HTML special characters in the URL, but as hcj observes above this is a one shot method, you have to compose and post, no previewing. Not for those of a nervous disposition!

Just to satisfy myself that this technique will work in a real post (it has worked several times in tests) I'm going to post the URL again. Doubtless Network54 will take it's revenge, but we'll see. happy.gif It must be said though that using TinyURL for any URLs that give trouble is indeed preferable unless you like messing with HTML.

Here is the NoCut link - I hope!

 
 

Another_Lurker

The NoCut Site

June 21 2010, 4:51 AM 

Definitely fated that site! Having just decided to explore it I find that in my preferred Google Chrome browser the onward links to other pages at the bottom don't work! The page takes 10 times longer to load in IE, but at least you can then get to the other pages. As I often remark, the web is getting far too complicated! happy.gif

 
 

Another_Lurker

Re: The NoCut Site

June 22 2010, 11:40 PM 

A contributor in another thread has reported that his security systems indicated that the NoCut site linked above posed a danger for viruses or malware.

One of the benefits of a Forum like this is that in such cases experience can be pooled for the benefit of all. I would greatly appreciate it if anyone else who had warnings from their security systems or was simply unable to get into the site would please report the problem.

 
 
Alan Turing

No warning

June 23 2010, 6:05 AM 

My (updated less than a minute ago) copy of AVG doesn't report any problem.

 
 
hcj

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

June 23 2010, 7:25 AM 

Norton does not report any problems either. Nor have I experienced any of the difficulty with page selection mentioned by A_L. (Windows 7 and IE8)

 
 
KKirin

New videos ;-)

July 2 2010, 1:06 PM 

http://www.filefactory.com/file/b25e1dg/n/Files.rar

I deleted the old ones as I think everybody should have gotten a chance by now to access them.

 
 

re

July 3 2010, 4:26 PM 

hi some part of the above wont play regards

 
 
KKirin

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

July 3 2010, 5:37 PM 

I just downloaded the files to check and they played alright - they are all *.flv files so you should be able to view them with most players...

 
 

Another_Lurker

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

July 3 2010, 9:43 PM 

Hi davenhall and KKirin. They all play fine in Media Player Classic. Thanks for uploading them KKirin.

 
 
KKirin

Pictures this time ;-)

July 4 2010, 9:08 AM 


 
 
KKirin

Korean video

July 4 2010, 9:15 AM 

I've for a while now tried to retrieve a video of which you can see a still here, but to no avail - can anyone help?

http://www.wisia.com/item/69522

 
 
KKirin

Quite interesting ;-)

July 4 2010, 10:02 AM 

http://tinyurl.com/3xcy2aw

I originally thought that this video was shot at a military academy of some sort, but the photo section indicates that it's a vocational high school - name of the school upon request wink.gif

 
 
hcj

Nasty Teacher, Violence for No Reason

July 4 2010, 3:18 PM 

I've for a while now tried to retrieve a video of which you can see a still here, but to no avail - can anyone help?

As you probably know, the error message says that the video page no longer exists. I'm afraid I haven't found it anywhere else.

 
 
KKirin

Korean video

July 4 2010, 4:08 PM 

The video should still be available here
http://tinyurl.com/2vnk439
but I can't get it to load...

 
 

Another_Lurker

Re: Korean video

July 5 2010, 2:09 AM 

Hi KKirrin. It used to be my (not so) proud boast that if something could be accessed from a web page I could download it regardless of the wishes of the owner thereof. Sadly the dastardly Koreans hosting your 'Korean video' have defeated me. Despite wading through endless Javascript and HTML I can't even decode the file name of the video, let alone download it! sad.gif Like you I can't make it play either. My suspicion is that it isn't actually there, and thus can't be played, but without the file name I can't prove that.

 
 
KKirin

@Another_Lurker

July 5 2010, 11:40 AM 

Thanks a lot for your efforts!! It probably can't be helped then - although it's a pity as the still looked interesting wink.gif

 
 
hcj

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

July 6 2010, 9:26 PM 

Quite interesting wink.gif July 4 2010, 10:02 AM

I originally thought that this video was shot at a military academy of some sort, but the photo section indicates that it's a vocational high school - name of the school upon request


More than just quite interesting. I wouldn't want to get the wrong side of that woman! What is impressive is that although the students argue about being told to look the other way, to prevent them anticipating the strokes, they do submit to the punishment and don't make a fuss. The second boy appears genuinely concerned that taking the video will cause more trouble.



 
 
KKirin

Deleted videos

July 8 2010, 12:43 AM 

Hi,

The following stills (and many more) appear in a Yahoo search, but sadly, the videos have been removed since. At least some of the videos should be on topic. Has anybody saved them by any chance?

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Willy

Deleted Videos

July 8 2010, 11:34 AM 

Also it seems that most videos about classroom canings in Asian schools on Youtube have been deleted.
I think that there are crusaders who look up forums like this and see the links to these clips and complain to Youtube to have them deleted. This is confirmed by some videos on the same subject which have not been linked here and are still on Youtube.

 
 
KKirin

Deleted videos

July 8 2010, 12:59 PM 

It appeared to me that the videos I posted the stills of were deleted by their owners. Fortunately, quite a lot that can be found on Yahoo are still there wink.gif

 
 
Willy

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

July 8 2010, 5:06 PM 

Even Corpun seems to be taking them off Photobucket these days, as these schoolgirls caning clips show.

http://www.corpun.com/vidsc6.htm

 
 

Another_Lurker

Those Corpun.Com videos - for Willy

July 8 2010, 9:54 PM 

Hi Willy. You say:

Even Corpun seems to be taking them off Photobucket these days, as these schoolgirls caning clips show.

You have the wrong end of the stick I'm afraid. Colin Farrell, of Corpun.Com is not 'taking them off Photobucket', he is using PhotoBucket to store some of the videos he wishes to link from his site. When you operate a website a constant problem is to find somewhere to store the components of the site without having to pay a lot of cash for the facility. When you operate a vast site like Corpun.Com this problem becomes a major concern as hosting costs for your site can be enormous.

Very sensibly Colin Farrell uses hosts such as PhotoBucket for some of his material. Because of the bandwidth usage involved I imagine that he has to pay for any PhotoBucket accounts he uses, but he has presumably found that the costs are more competitive than some other hosting sites. I repeat, he is not 'taking them off Photobucket'! I run a number of fairly small websites and keeping them up and running is quite enough trouble. I can visualise the huge amount of work Colin Farrell undertakes to keep Corpun.Com on the air. We should all be very grateful that he is prepared to undertake it!

 
 
KKirin

More videos

July 8 2010, 11:30 PM 

http://tinyurl.com/37msd6d

Well, a list of stills, but the guy who uploaded them is quite willing to share wink.gif

 
 
KKirin

Foreign language class ;-)

July 10 2010, 3:59 PM 

For those interested in searching for material by themselves, I've uploaded some search terms in Chinese, Korean, Thai and Vietnamese here:
http://kkirin12345.blogspot.com

I wanted to post this information here, but this site seems to ignore characters outside the Western alphabet.

I also posted links to some sites where looking for on-topic material usually leads to interesting discoveries.

The blog starts with a warning page that it contains "adult content" - in fact, it does not, it's just a precautionary measure to keep the blog from being displayed in search results and prevent "accidental visitors".

I originally just wanted to have a place to post the foreign language search terms, but then realised what a clever tool this platform is. I'll build something on it once I've come up with some good ideas. For a start, I'll transfer the stills from the link in my previous post to the blog.

In this context, please allow me to thank a distinguished member of this forum who in fact had saved some of the missing videos I was looking for. wink.gif

 
 

Another_Lurker

Re: Foreign language class ;-)

July 11 2010, 1:15 AM 

Hi KKirin. An excellent start to your blog. I really must load some more character sets though to avoid seeing all those squares! happy.gif For some reason I do seem to have Thai. I can't imagine how it snook in as I thought I'd chopped everything except English (UK)!

There certainly is a lot of school CP going on out there. If the Reverend Ditty, currently posting his cryptic message that 'The best schools in America do not paddle kids' in random threads in this estimable Forum ever finds this thread I fear he'll despair - or perhaps it doesn't count if the kids being beaten aren't US citizens! happy.gif

 
 
KKirin

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

July 11 2010, 9:59 PM 

I've made a few videos available on the blog and think of doing so again once in a while, so it's probably worth checking it regularly. wink.gif

I'm afraid I lost track of the videos I posted already on this forum, so there'll be repeats - my apologies.

@Another_Lurker: Don't hesitate to share what you'll find. wink.gif

 
 
KKirin

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

July 13 2010, 12:52 PM 

Uploaded a bit of material wink.gif

 
 
American Way

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

July 13 2010, 2:28 PM 

This is ridiculous. 'The best schools in America do not paddle kids'. What metric is Rev. Wade Ditty using to make such a blanket judgment. I wonder what metric are use to judge his ministry? One should not even dignify that assertion with a response. Think about the socioeconomic and family dynamics impact as opposed to classroom management policies and then consider what any study would prove.

 
 
KKirin

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

July 16 2010, 8:13 AM 

Uploaded again a bit of material - and deleted the files linked to in previous posts as I think everybody should have gotten a chance by now to download them.

 
 
KKirin

Videos from Korea

July 23 2010, 8:29 PM 

Hi,

Is there anybody on this forum with some knowledge of the Korean language? These videos were uploaded today and I'd like to find out why they're hitting each other... I've included PDFs of the Korean site I found the videos on. Navigating this site is quite frustrating - there seem to be lots of interesting links, but none opens. Can anybody help?

http://www.filefactory.com/file/b2b01bh/n/Korea.rar

Photobucket

 
 
hcj

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

July 26 2010, 1:55 PM 

Is there anybody on this forum with some knowledge of the Korean language?

An e-mail is on its way to you, KKirin

 
 
Robert

Password?

July 30 2010, 8:46 AM 

Hi, does anyone have the password? Plz mail it to me - ***@gmail.co


    
This message has been edited by larry1951 on Jul 30, 2010 9:40 PM


 
 
hcj

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

July 30 2010, 9:17 AM 

Hi, does anyone have the password? Plz mail it to me - enjoyingfunandgames@gmail.com

You must contact KKirin for the password. Then he knows who is using his pictures and videos. It is his site and the password is his property, not something to be given out by others.

 
 

Another_Lurker

Re: Password?

July 30 2010, 9:02 PM 

Robert appears to be a little naïve about the ways of the web, and the Management of this estimable Forum would actually be doing him a great favour if they deleted his post. By providing his email address in straight text format like that he is almost certain to have it harvested by spam bots and have his inbox filled up with offers of all sorts of interesting things he probably doesn't require! happy.gif

 
 
KKirin

Blog

August 1 2010, 12:14 PM 

There are two blogs:

http://tinyurl.com/3x55f9t - There's quite a lot of material on it, but I don't update it anymore. No password is needed.

http://tinyurl.com/37o3nca - the sequel of the first blog, updated regularly. It's password protected as I want to solicit a bit of participation from my readers - they have at least to contact me in order to obtain the password. wink.gif A friendly e-mail will do. Unless I get the impression that you're bent on getting the blog shut down, I'm happy to share the password. If you have material to share, all the better. Some people have sent me parts of their collection - thanks a lot!! Where I can obtain permission to do so, I'll upload what's been sent to me. Some of it I've posted in today's update. wink.gif

Special thanks, by the way, to hcj!! He had a go at translating the Korean clips. Do you think you can post the translation here once it's finished? It's quite interesting reading.

 
 
KKirin

Video from Taiwan

August 15 2010, 11:49 AM 

I posted a link to this video already a couple of times ago, but now someone suggested to me that the boys are punished because they did something which caused the principal of the school to summon the teacher to his office and demand an explanation... This should explain the angry look. wink.gif

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(Video:http://tinyurl.com/3xcy2aw)

I've again uploaded quite a lot to my blog - please feel free to ask me for the password. If you have material to share, all the better...

 
 

Missing videos

August 21 2010, 4:01 PM 

Quite a lot of videos that turn up when making a search on Yahoo Taiwan have unfortunately been deleted in the meantime. Has anybody saved any of the videos shown in the list linked below?

http://tinyurl.com/29daksk

 
 
American Way

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

October 25 2010, 2:49 PM 

Has this appeared either here or in corpun? He seems kinder to girls than boys and he is from the measure twice cut once school. The first girl was spared at the last second. No girl was asked to lie belly flat and buttocks up. I am sure my estimable Forum fellow frequent poster Jenny will be outraged by the double standard. wink.gif Strange, in a shame oriented culture, it seems more about inflicting pain than being humiliated, perhaps because it is so commonplace. The lack of classroom control is deplorable. IMO the man need more classroom management training and less practice in become proficient in administering corporal punishment. The oine that makes thge most trouble as a spectator should be at the tail end of the queue. Any speculator that would say this had more to do with failing a grade as opposed to bad behavior?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhBaqDKAJXc

 
 
American Way

Any reasonable surmises?

October 25 2010, 3:48 PM 

It took four minutes out of classroom time and I wonder what percentage of the class were on the receiving end? Did he already determine on the position (some boys got it standing up) and the number of strokes that he intended to give and the students expected? What do you think? In the beginning he switches the instrument of correction. How much does that instrument serve a dual purpose? He seemed in control of his temper, although he hit harder than most in videos. The pain factor by student reaction seems more painful when they are hit on the hands. He is expressing his controlled disapproval and not out of less controllable outrage. He is teaching a lesson, in a manner reprehensible in the eyes of many cultures (including a growing number here) that he not letting off steam as in giving them their just desserts but giving them what they justly deserve for to him it seemed more like an onerous task. He has no control of his classroom but he doesn't need anger management.

 
 
hcj

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

October 25 2010, 4:06 PM 

American Way wrote:
Any speculator that would say this had more to do with failing a grade as opposed to bad behavior?

Well, Yes. It is normal in some East Asian countries to use corporal punishment for poor grades. That is why pupils often achieve high academic standards, though perhaps sometimes at the cost of critical thinking skills.

I think you should be careful about judging Eastern educational practices with a Western perspective. The relationship between the homeroom teacher, the child and the family is totally different from that in the UK or USA. The teacher will be involved with the child 24/365, not for part of the day, five days a week for 35 weeks in the year. Parents want teachers to be strict with their children when they fail to work sufficiently, because they want them to be successful.

I quote from a letter from a Korean teacher. I know the YouTube clip is from Vietnam, but I think these points are still relevant:

I find it somewhat surprising that westerners who come from countries where keeping drugs and weapons out of schools is a paramount issue would make such a big deal out of naughty children getting a slap or two for doing something they know they shouldn't or neglecting to do something they know they should. I find it odd that people from countries whose schools have lengthy disciplinary policies about fighting would be so quick to condemn schools that don't even require policies about fighting because serious violence between students is so rare.

Yes, the approach is different, but not necessarily wrong. As for the classroom, it may look chaotic to us, but we are only seeing a very small part of the story.

 
 
American Way

Good points hcj as usual

October 25 2010, 6:17 PM 

hcj, as usual, you have added your knowledge and wisdom to this estimable Forum. I'm not in the least bit censoring their culture, obviously the parents approve and I have always been an advocate for input here from all parties; closer to the situation the better. Their tolerance for disorder startles me but it is an observation. When I'm within my own culture that is another matter but I still wonder how you can teach if that disorder prevails throughout the day, hopefully not the case. Their even handedness of the teacher is to be commended.

From my perspective their behavior when their teacher is otherwise occupied is disrespectful. He doesn't have eyes on the eyes of the back of his head but if he gets a hold of the video that might be another matter. The kids dreaded the punishment but they were a lot more compliant and less defiant when it came to their turn. I think a bit of cultural mores was involved in the gender differential. CP 50 years ago, around my time, saw less girls being hit than thirty years ago here in the states. There must have been a lot of factors involved worth discussing.

In Vietnam is CP common? I know a family that visits there and that doesn't seem the case.

 
 
Jenny

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

October 26 2010, 3:32 AM 

Hi American Way

Has this appeared either here or in corpun? He seems kinder to girls than boys and he is from the measure twice cut once school. The first girl was spared at the last second. No girl was asked to lie belly flat and buttocks up. I am sure my estimable Forum fellow frequent poster Jenny will be outraged by the double standard. wink.gif

I'm not sure there is a double standard. The punishments were different for different pupils but that didn't seem to be based on their sex. The difference might have been due to their build, differing culpabilities or antecedence.

 
 
American Way

Re: Vietnamese secondary school corporal punishment

October 4 2011, 9:28 PM 

Another Vietnamese secondary school corporal punishment. The teacher seems to measure twice and cut once with his rather formidable instrument of correction. Can anyone describe this instrument or its origin. Again boys are more likely the recipient and strokes are few in number. Boys lie over the desk but I have yet to see a girl. Corpun has quite a few from Vietnam. This one shows girls getting it after 2:00 minutes. They are all so similar so I'm not sure if it has been posted before. I have asked this question before. Do the teachers know they are on candid camera or do they even care?

http://youtu.be/B42-8T1j-fc


 
 
KK

Re: Some real school corporal punishment

October 4 2011, 9:38 PM 

Translation: "KEY RESULTS FOR HIGHEST TEST IN SEASON"

It seems to be common practice for students to be punished for poor test results going by various videos. The punishment is accepted in reasonably good grace. The classroom is rather noisy and disordered. The students seem to be aware of the video being made and it is likely the teacher is too.

 
 
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