Any date on the AGM ?

Yes?

When is the next AGM Andre?

Was hoping to see you at Jacksons to discuss this one way or the other.

Anyway - think it is high time that an AGM be held. As one can see with the more than 35 Audi's (plus an M3, a 944T and a GTi) that arrived last night that the club seems to be in better shape than ever. Would be a good time to harness the enthusiasm within the club. Also, on a personal level, I am rather tired of being asked whats happening, when I myself am in the dark.

So to all the people who have asked. Yes - I will be available for the new committee to provide some assistance where required. I know up till now I have said no, but after seeing us fill the parking lot of Jacksons to capacity, then park in there driveway, and after that park 6 or 7 Audi's at the carwash next door; I simply can't let this club die.

And now lets get the damn show on the road. Its nearly Feb already!

I nominate the Mayor for president...

I would also like to know when the next meeting is going to take place, was this not meant to happen early in Jan. Let's get the ball rolling, we need to get new comittee members appointed. What is the hold up??

S4 Driver

There is a lot of energy in the Club at the moment - last night was a good example with a great crowd of Audi enthusiasts there, old regulars and a lot of new faces too.

Without a Committee, it is difficult to channel and guide this energy. People want to organise stuff, but guidance from a Committee is needed and I am afraid that all this positive energy could go to waste.

We desperately need a new Committee and quickly too - what needs to be done to establish one? I am prepared to help.

I have been asking the same question of Andre, whom lately have refused to even reply to my e-mails.

The matter is rather simple, we have to call for nominations of committee members and then hold a General meeting to elect committee members from those individuals nominated. Once the committee members are elected, they can take over the finances, assets, etc from the old committee members. Once this is done they can call an annual general meeting (I presume the new members will require some time to prepare the financial statements as the old committee never called an AGM to approve such and thus I can only assume it was never done) to approve the annual financial statements, etc.

However, Andre unfortunately refuses to release the e-mail addresses of the members to me so that I can set the ball in motion. Nor does he reply when I ask him to please call for nominations, etc.

Currently it appears as if certain of the old committee members can not distinguish between the club being an association of the members (in contract to an association of a few of the old committee members) and would rather see the club die.

If any of you have the databse of the members please say so. I would very much like to assist in getting the club back on the road in a lawful manner. Alternatively, please call on the old committee mebers to hand over the e-mail database to someone else whom is willing and capable of doing it.

If the e-mail list database is that illusive I can assist in creating a web based form (I will host it gladly) where everyone here can submit their details namely name & e-mail address to compile a new comprehensive database of users.
Cheers
Vesco

Johan,

Has it ever occured to you that I did not have the time to answer you? and that I came back from holidays not long ago.

I am no longer the chairman, nor a committee members and I don't know what makes you think that I should be at your beg and call the moment I receive an e-mail from you? Futhermore my responsibilities towards the Audi Club stopped the moment I resigned, so if you want my cooperation, maybe you should ask for things without being agressive and threatening, with legal issues and whatever.

As for not supplying all the data base of the club, it is simply for the members own protection/privacy.

In any case I have sent you an e-mail regarding the only 3 members, including you, who have shown an interest to carry on/being part of the committe with the club.



André

I am no longer the chairman, nor a committee members and I don't know what makes you think that I should be at your beg and call the moment I receive an e-mail from you? Futhermore my responsibilities towards the Audi Club stopped the moment I resigned, so if you want my cooperation, maybe you should ask for things without being agressive and threatening, with legal issues and whatever.

As for not supplying all the data base of the club, it is simply for the members own protection/privacy.

In any case I have sent you an e-mail regarding the only 3 members, including you, who have shown an interest to carry on/being part of the committe with the club.

OK now Andre - you say that (and I quote) "I am no longer the chairman" and that "responsibilities towards the Audi Club stopped the moment that you resigned" and yet, further down the post (which I have convineiently copied for you) you note that you have received emails with regards to the new committee. Ur, I know that English is not your mother tongue, but you seem more than a little confused in your thinking.

Surely if someone who is a paid up member offers to run a GM that the club so obviously has needed for quite a while now this is a good thing and yet, amazingly, you refuse. How can you possibly try and take the moral high ground when you are being so obstructive in the transition to a new committee. This may yet cause the destruction of the club - surely that can not be your intent?

I re-iterate my original call for a GM. If White Knight (oh, and what happened to the much vaunted anonymity here, again at odds with your post above) wants to do the donkey work for the GM - good for him - nice to see that someone out there actually cares. Oh and by the way, I happen to know who White Knight is, even before you pointed that out to the whole forum. He is the company secretary for a large listed group and I would doubt that there is anyone in the club more capable of organising a GM.

The end result of this is that we need a GM and it needs to be soon, and the people at the GM can nominate people for the committee. It falls beyond your responsibility to run this now that you have resigned. Your responsibility is to hand over the database to a paid up member willing to run the GM. Ultimately if the worst comes to the worst, I will do this as an Ex-Committee member wants to see the club survive. Have proved that I can organise successful get-togethers even in the current situation in the club, I am more than qualified to do this.

Any questions?

Edited to correct my spelling, I am from Brakpan after all.

So when is the AGM Andre ?

I'd like to be present at it as well

Just wanna say that the club looks alive again, Well done guys! So I know that when I return, the will be a club to go to. Hope that the will be events going on during April! I will be there, for sure.
Lastly I wanna say that you have my support about the ACSA AGM!

Don't do anything that I wouldn't do!

Andre, I think the next AGM needs to be held soon. I understand you have as chairman resigned and relieved yourself of the responsibilities of the club and you are no longer part of the committee. As ex-chairman, do you not feel its your moral obligation to at least hand over the club to a new committee. Your resignation was very sudden, and I do understand that there was a lot of politics involved with regards to the committee and its running of the club which lead to disinterest from the committee to be part of it all. I don’t think that because of the events that lead to the resignation of the committee should ruin a club. Being part of the club since its inception, I have seen the club grow from a hand full of us 3 years ago to as big as it is now, I think a new committee will be a good thing to continue the grow and strength of the club. All of our events over the past few months have been informally arranged by members who have a strong passion toward the club, and all these events have been well attended. There are many new faces and lots of new interest in the club, which shows an even higher need for an AGM and new committee to continue the interest in the club.

It is with great regret to see the first post from Andre in almost 2 months and it had a lot of anger and disappointment in his (well not voice but boldness of typing shall we say) It is a pitty, as me like many other have come to respect (even thought he doesn't belive that to be the case) his input,advise,reporting on the brand and overall commitment to ACSA. He is a member that shall not to be lost due to some ill faithed remarks / posts late last year.(perhaps some by moi)
Andre please don't be bitter and even though you don't want much to do with the running of the club atleast be the link and authority you have been for years.....yes it feels like the new blood is very much the dominant force here but you need not burn your bridges. ( I can attempt to convay this in French if unclear knowing the excuse has been that English is not your mother tongue but I have read your Audi pages and you are better articulated than many English teachers)
So ....The database of names / e-mails is the least you can do to get this club where I am sure you want it to be, powerfull and full of enthusiasm for the brand. So come on come out of your retirement from the club let the new guard take over but swallow you pride and still participate and contribute to the casue.

Hallelujah.

hey there guys.

Over the Past couple of posts regarding the club and a committee beign elected, Andre has stated a few times that he hasnt had too much time to spend on club matters....and that is perfectly normal coz we all know that business and life takes up a lot of our time as well.

yet, i do agree with the mayor and the rest of u guys that we need to hols an AGM or some kind of formal meeting where we can decide on how to move forward.

My suggestion(and if its not a very good one pls dont nail me for it),
but i reckon we should all suggest some dates for when we feel the next AGM should be held, we will get in touch of as many of the members as we can to ask for their inout either via email or via telephone as most of us know a few other members that dont regularly attend the get togethers,
and from their we can all confirm on a date for when the AGM should be held and where it will be held as well.

im sure that Andre will be able to let us know from the confirmed date whether he will be able to attend or not, but im sure that if he can, he will make every effort to be there, even if it is just to come and do a hand over for an hour with us.

im sure that there is a couple of guys who are willing to be a part of the committee, if u are willing, then please post that on the forum and state that u r willing to be a part of the new committee.

i for one know that i'm not chairman material, but im definately submitting my name to be a furture comittee member and to assist in as much as i can with the time constraints that we all have.

i say, lets be proactive bout this guys.

lets help Andre hand the club over to the new comittee by getting the ball rolling and setting a date for the next AGM ourselves.

i say that Friday the 4th of February 2005 at about 7pm should be a good time and date to meet as it is a friday and most of us(i know that not all of us) should have finished our days work and can be available to meet.

any other suggestions will be great, but lets try to keep it to within the next 2 weeks so we dont have too broad of a choice.

hope i didnt offend any1, and if my typing and wording made my statements sound aggressive, i sincerly appologise to u as it was in no way intended.

hope ive helped a bit guys.
Cheers for now.
Bryce


P.S. Andre...if u have time, your input on the sunject here is greatly appreciated. Cheers.

"...as me like many other have come to respect ...his input,advise,reporting on the brand ..."

Yes I'll have to agree on this one.

André may have some faults (we all have) ... he might have p!!$$ed some people off (which I suppose we all do to each other on or another time).... hell some people might not like his way of conducting business (I sell computers and no matter how hard I try I simply cannot please everyone!).

.... and some people who have dealt with André on any of the above might very well even have a very valid point!

But the bottom line:- You cannot question the man's knowledge on the Audi brand & it'll be a bloody pity should he choose not to regularly give his input here.

It seems to me that the major issue is the hand over of the clubs members contact details and the clubs financials in order to have the AGM.

What does the clubs constitution state irt the resignation of the chairman, I'm still not sure why Andre resigned, and I personally believe this is a great loss to ACSA, however, this should definitely not lead to ACSAs demise.

IMHO, an Acting Chairman should be elected by the forum and a proper hand over should be done by Andre to the Acting Chairman. Once this has occured an AGM should be held to elect the new committee and Chairman.

Andre has been very helpful in keeping me informed of the WC memebers and it would be irresposible of me to hand this info out to just any1, so I agree we need an AGM but first and formost we need some1 to accept the responsibility to ensure the integrity of the database and financials.

Shane.

Greetings,
I've come to know the club in the past year, and the club was one of the reasons I stayed with Audi, the car itself was the other reason.
It's a pity - current state of the club, but the last few meets, make me believe that the club is on it's way back. Andre - it's unfortunate the way things have turned out. It will be a loss if you totally decide to have nothing to do with the club. I suggest you let someone else who is capable and elected, run the club and you would have time to have some fun.
I say let the past be gone.... and let's move forward.
Cheers
PS - Bryce good suggestion, I'm in.

1.8 Fat T

I have been contacted by Andre regarding the calling for nominations and election of committee members at a General meeting. I am currently in contact with the other gentleman to whom he refers in his post above, and as soon as we have agreed on the process, we'll e-mail the nomination forms and an explanation of the process to all ACSA members. This is subject to Andre being "... satisfied of your genuine enthusiasm I will make the members list available to you.(Direct quote)".

As a norm I do not normally comment on any one individual, but I have to add my voice in respect of Andre's contribution to ACSA by saying that he will be known as the individual who had the foresight to see the value in a club such as ACSA, and also the drive to realise such foresight. And that nobody can take away from him: He will always be one of the founding members of ACSA, and the first Chair of the ACSA committee.

Whatch this space for further developments with regards
to the nomination and election of ACSA committee members.

Re: AGM
No score for this post January 29 2005, 7:15 PM


I am no longer the chairman, nor a committee members and I don't know what makes you think that I should be at your beg and call the moment I receive an e-mail from you? Futhermore my responsibilities towards the Audi Club stopped the moment I resigned, so if you want my cooperation, maybe you should ask for things without being agressive and threatening, with legal issues and whatever.

As for not supplying all the data base of the club, it is simply for the members own protection/privacy.

In any case I have sent you an e-mail regarding the only 3 members, including you, who have shown an interest to carry on/being part of the committe with the club.

OK now Andre - you say that (and I quote) "I am no longer the chairman" and that "responsibilities towards the Audi Club stopped the moment that you resigned" and yet, further down the post (which I have convineiently copied for you) you note that you have received emails with regards to the new committee. Ur, I know that English is not your mother tongue, but you seem more than a little confused in your thinking.

Surely if someone who is a paid up member offers to run a GM that the club so obviously has needed for quite a while now this is a good thing and yet, amazingly, you refuse. How can you possibly try and take the moral high ground when you are being so obstructive in the transition to a new committee. This may yet cause the destruction of the club - surely that can not be your intent?

I re-iterate my original call for a GM. If White Knight (oh, and what happened to the much vaunted anonymity here, again at odds with your post above) wants to do the donkey work for the GM - good for him - nice to see that someone out there actually cares. Oh and by the way, I happen to know who White Knight is, even before you pointed that out to the whole forum. He is the company secretary for a large listed group and I would doubt that there is anyone in the club more capable of organising a GM.

The end result of this is that we need a GM and it needs to be soon, and the people at the GM can nominate people for the committee. It falls beyond your responsibility to run this now that you have resigned. Your responsibility is to hand over the database to a paid up member willing to run the GM. Ultimately if the worst comes to the worst, I will do this as an Ex-Committee member wants to see the club survive. Have proved that I can organise successful get-togethers even in the current situation in the club, I am more than qualified to do this.

Any questions?

Edited to correct my spelling, I am from Brakpan after all.




As usual you respond too quickly and pass judgement without knowing the facts.
White Knights e-mail was indeed rather agressive, but since you have not read it how would you know?

Neither do you know the reasons for my absence from this forum, nor the reasons I purposely waited for the end of of Janaury to respond.

I don't want to carry on this on the forum or elsewhere for that matter, but but I have been somewhat disturbed for sometime now, by your attacks, comments and even hidden insults you have directed to me on this forum.

Let it be known that you, your attitude, specially through the posts on this forum, are a very good reason for me or the other members of the ex-committe to have resigned.

In any case I will not hold any grudge against you, I suppose it is your character and if I feel insulted by what you say, then all I can do is to forgive you.

André

As usual you respond too quickly and pass judgement without knowing the facts. White Knights e-mail was indeed rather agressive, but since you have not read it how would you know?

It’s in my nature to comment Andre. If you are not communicating for whatever reason, then I am afraid I can only do it on what information that I have.

Neither do you know the reasons for my absence from this forum, nor the reasons I purposely waited for the end of of Janaury to respond.

Nope. And you don't seem to be telling us this, so I presume it is not important? If you don’t communicate anything with people, they have little chance of knowing things.

Let it be known that you, your attitude, specially through the posts on this forum, are a very good reason for me or the other members of the ex-committe to have resigned.

Really - I am the reason why the club was failing? Face the facts Andre. The club is healthier than ever at the moment, with complete confusion in the ranks, no committee etc. Far healthier than it was towards the middle of the year, when there was a committee. Plus - lets be brutally honest - my disillusionment with the goings on stems to late in the year when the committee (myself included I might add) was doing nothing. No committee meetings. No AGM. No leadership. If my responding to that with something other than pure apathy is a problem in the other ex-committee members lives then that is a problem in there side not mine. My resignation was due to a public comment made to a founding member on this forum, from yourself with no provocation. Again, I see nothing wrong with my response. If that kind of behavior is acceptable, then this is a club that I don’t want to be part of.

As to the percieved personal attack to you? Andre - if a bluntly written post is what it takes to get your attention - then so be it.

Gentleman, please relax! I sometimes get the idea that forums are really a bad way to communicate....

All that is important for me is that the Audi Club continues. For this to happen with the unfortunate situation we are in, we need that General Meeting as soon as possible. This is in the process of being organised.

Andre, I would personally like to see you still involved with the Club. You started it and the Club should make you an honoury life member!

Don't worry Gandalf, I am perfectly relaxed. Unfortunately Andrew does not seem to be.

As for the club being so active now, has it not occured to you Andrew that it is because the committee resigned (for many reasons, not just you, it would be unfair to give you all the glory wouldn't it?) that all of a sudden the members have realised what apathy has done to the club and have reacted because they don't want to loose a good thing?.

Gandalf, thank for your post, but when I read the above posts from Andrew, it makes me really wonder why should I be part of the club, of course assuming Andrew's opinions reflect those of the majority of the club or at least this forum.

Guys, I am really sorry and I apologise for what I have done wrong in the past, or even what you may have assumed I have done wrong, without knowning the circumstances of my own private life.I am really tired of this....

André

Just to keep everyone up to date.

I have just received the e-mail list and member details from Andre, whom also very kindly provided some guidance on various aspects. For this, Andre, I would like to thank you.

As to the General Meeting, I'll send e-mails to all members during the course of the day giving notice of the General Meeting, and also calling for nominations for committee members.

To everyone that have responded to this thread, as well as others dealing with this matter, my sincere thanks for your support and encouragement. Now, lets make it all work.

Good to know that I wasn't the single cause of the end of the Audi Club committee.

OK - will end this. Will calm a little.

For all the little disagreement above, which I will not delete because I firmly believe that whats done is done, Andre remains a great asset to the club. Just sometimes the two of our personalities mean that we are going to end up in a rather public fight.

YAY...no more fighting.....
lets get the party started.

track days.....gymkana's.....advanced driving....suppers....lunches....breakfasts......weight loss programs after all the eating ha ha...

lets pull our energies together and get club on the ball again guys.

cheers for now.
Bryce

weight loss programs after all the eating

Ha. How true in my case.