This forum is to discuss the existence of Bigfoot. We are of the PRO KILL section of bigfoot research and will actively defend our stance. We ask that all posters be respectful of others beliefs. Remember, discussion is healthy, harassement will NOT BE TOLERATED!
Nice to see some other folks actually go out in the woods and do real research rather than just surf the net looking for stuff to debunk.
I really love the Kiamichi area, specially around Moyers and Cloudy.
Posted on Mar 1, 2004, 5:05 PM from IP address 220.127.116.11
Two simple words which most of us accept as concern for our well being. However, when the eyes are rolled in a sarcastic manner, or the hint of a condesending smile is visible on the lips, then these two words are meaningless.
[especially when one is going into the field in search of the creature we refer to as "Bigfoot".]
For many months now I've been too busy with work and in trying to rebuild my personal life to have posted anything on this or any other forum. My absence from this community wasn't planned...it just happened.
My job became more demanding [which required more of my personal attention, my personal life became a living nightmare [for those who don't know what I'm refering to, you can simple go back to a few posts and read what happened in my home] which has resulted in a friendly and civil seperation from my adopted family.
[I WILL BE MOVING TO PARIS, TEXAS, SOON. HOWEVER, LORRIE, HER DAUGHTERS AND THE TWINS WON'T.]
JD [my son and partner] has taken a new, much better paying job out of state; so he's now on a leave of absence from TBRI], his brother-in-law Brandon recently joined the US Army and is no longer active in the TBRI pursuit [we're proud of you Brandon]. Other team members have become scattered across the state, which leaves only Perry and myself. [And] Perry, like myself has a lot of irons in the fire.
...so, TBRI is now what Erik Beckjord once described as a one man operation. Well, so be it. TBRI never actively sought members, thus we never charged anyone to be a member and TBRI members have ALWAYS been able to come and go as they saw fit.
There were RUMORS that I had retired from the quest, and that I had become frightened that I couldn't get the job done. [I've smiled a lot about these remarks].
Actually I had thought about retiring until a very good friend at work told me I shouldn't quit if I enjoyed doing it. So, I rethought my decision and I've continued the quest away from the Internet and have actually been in the field. [alone much of the time, and thus some of the things I've seen and found will not be posted on this or other forums due to there being no witnesses.]
I have friends who tell me to "be careful", even though they do not accept the possibility of there actually being a species like the Sasquatch living among us.
[If they exist, then why hasn't one been captured or killed? Where's the HARD "scientific" evidence?]
Well, it's still "out there". However, for each of the eye rolls, and the condesending smiles I've recieved during the past several months, NONE of these people have accepted my invitation to go with me into site # 1 and look at the evidence which would be available.
They have refused the invitation to search the area while unseen, savage eyes observed their movements from within the shadows of the forest.
So, the next time someone tells you to be careful [be it guy or gal] when you leave to go into the field, and they roll their eyes a bit or smile that smile...call their bluff.
In closing I'd like to thank my best friend D.M. for her support and for simply being the best native CALIFORNIAN I've had the pleasure of knowing in a long time. See you at work kid.
Thanks for dropping by and take care
Posted on Jan 29, 2004, 1:19 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
but in their defense....the money may be used to off set casting material expense.
Only group I ever heard of that carries 600 to 700 pounds of plaster around when they get out on their annual roundup.
You need not worry about someone hurting their back carrying the heavy bags into the deepest of forests. They make all their castings next to the road. Drive up...dump the plaster into a wallow...drive off...next vehicle...
Posted on Nov 19, 2003, 7:03 AM from IP address 22.214.171.124
five tons of the damn stuff as long as I didn't have to help carry it. Your missing the point. Just talking the Mr. Gimlin (sp?) would certainly be worth part of the money spent. Don't be so negative you two. For some of us, it would be worth spending money to chase Timber's sorry assed beagles around his part of the world as well. The point is you're doing it!
Posted on Nov 19, 2003, 5:09 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
9 month old yellow lab retrieved his first duck 6 weeks ago. I have been spending a lot of time training and it sure felt good. I was grinning! I've always had a soft spot for beagles. Have owned them and our doggers at the camp insist on beagle blood in their hounds, both for size and desire.
Posted on Nov 23, 2003, 3:21 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52
"but in their defense....the money may be used to off set casting material expense.
Only group I ever heard of that carries 600 to 700 pounds of plaster around when they get out on their annual roundup.
You need not worry about someone hurting their back carrying the heavy bags into the deepest of forests. They make all their castings next to the road. Drive up...dump the plaster into a wallow...drive off...next vehicle..."
You guys are too much! LOL! I guess misery really does like company.
This site should probably be renamed "We hate the BFRO" message board. Then everything would make more sense, cause right now it doesn't. What you are doing, putting things such as this garbage, into words, doesn't make them fact and I would hope that your more intelligent viewing audience here would see through your thin veil of misinformation, petty differences and cheap shots at other's who would attempt to do the same things you are... but are apparently doing better or are more successful at it.
The BFRO makes a claim and they show the evidence to the public that in their opinion backs it up. They even go out and solicit expert opinion on it. Now, can you say you do the same thing. I think the majority of your readers here are hoping that you do or will. That is why they are here.
Posted on Jan 1, 2004, 9:18 AM from IP address 184.108.40.206
If someone does not like the BFRO, then that's their opinion and it's not your place to try and change it. If someone does not like the BFRO, perhaps it's because they had a bad experience with them, you know, like the BFRO screwing up an investigation or something like that.
Do I hate the BFRO?, no I don't. I have a couple friends who are BFRO members, but sometimes the whole organization comes across like a bunch of elitest snobs, and that really makes me sick.
Posted on Jan 1, 2004, 7:08 PM from IP address 220.127.116.11
"If someone does not like the BFRO, then that's their opinion and it's not your place to try and change it. If someone does not like the BFRO, perhaps it's because they had a bad experience with them, you know, like the BFRO screwing up an investigation or something like that.
Do I hate the BFRO?, no I don't. I have a couple friends who are BFRO members, but sometimes the whole organization comes across like a bunch of elitest snobs, and that really makes me sick."
Sorry you feel like this. Sorry you had a bad experience with some of it's members. Maybe you shouldn't waste anymore effort on them. Don't go to their web site, don't purchase anything from them, don't talk with them, don't watch the TV shows, post to them or even expend the energy critiquing them on forums such as this and others. But if they do indeed make you sick, you need to figure out how you let them do that and get that power back.
Posted on Jan 2, 2004, 4:27 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
I try to back up my claims the best way possible. I do not have the resources and the time to do a lot of the things that your group is doing. I have a few pictures of my findings on our web page and my last sighting was within the last month. I have not been able to back up the sighting with positive tracks or other physical evidence from the area at this time. I reported it as a possible sighting because of no other physical evidence. I do have evidence from the same area and same time period from last year and it is posted on our website.
I think other people on this message board has justified reasons to feel indifference with your organization after they have had negative contacts with your researchers. The animals in our area are apparently a little more aggressive than the creatures from your area. We hear credible reports from individuals that have been attacked by these creatures and who were lucky to survive. When was the last time you took a report from an individual who was physically attacked by one of these creatures?
If someone asks us for help because a group of creatures are terrorizing their family. We do not send out an investigator to tell them the animals are passive and that they should feed them. Sorry but I feel that some of your investigators deserve to be made fun of.
Richard, I do not think anyone here truly hates your organization or is jealous of the things you find or the evidence you collect. I think your organization has an opinion that you can add a few hundred more track casts to the evidence room, a couple more hair samples and a few vocal tapes and suddenly the world will admit that the creatures truly do exist. Well Richard, What do you think??? What will it really take?
Looking forward to your reply,
Posted on Jan 2, 2004, 12:55 AM from IP address 22.214.171.124
"I try to back up my claims the best way possible..."
Good. This is exactly what it will take. So you don't always get corroborating evidence, that is the way this game seems to be playing out. Keep at it though. Someday those notes, pictures and such might be very important.
"I think other people on this message board has justified reasons to feel indifference with your organization after they have had negative contacts with your researchers..."
I am sure you can have a negative experience at the local 7-11 just as easily as with anything but you don't slander the whole franchise. That might be a bad example because those people are trained and employed by that franchise, but I hope you see my point.
I have not "taken" any reliable reports of aggressive behavior shown by a Bigfoot. That doesn't mean that they don't exist in the PNW, just that I have not come across any that panned out. There were no police reports made, doctors examinations, damage observed... just statements made by people. I investigated some of these reports and came away with nothing. The vegetation they claimed was uprooted during the incident was not evident, damaged vehicles were sold just before I arrived, the police advised them not to make a report without any evidence because they had more important things to do, etc.
"If someone asks us for help because a group of creatures are terrorizing their family. We do not send out an investigator to tell them the animals are passive and that they should feed them. Sorry but I feel that some of your investigators deserve to be made fun of."
Well you are obviously more knowledgable about your own situation there. In the areas I am familiar with, I might have made the same call as they did. But I will not lower myself to making fun of you or anybody else on such a descision. These investigators are obviously not experts on the subject, neither are you or me for that matter. So who is to say what is right and what isn't? The person who proves their existence might be, but so far that person doesn't exist either.
"Richard, I do not think anyone here truly hates your organization or is jealous of the things you find or the evidence you collect..."
Rummy, sorry but I do think that there are people there that do truly hate the BFRO. Well that is their right and I am not trying to change their opinions, just their methods. People who read this stuff will make up their own minds. That is who we all should be conscious of.
Posted on Jan 2, 2004, 4:17 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
Thank you for your reply. I am going to be honest with you. If I lived in city and was interested in Bigfoot Then I would go on the BFRO expedition in a heartbeat. It would be a lot of fun to be involved in something like this not to mention the excitement of being in the wild and the stories that are bound to be told. Someone from the city will never find this in a park or concrete jungle. However I live in the country and I can see most of the things you will encounter within a few miles of my home.
I do not have bad feelings toward any organization anywhere. I like some of them better than others and some I think some are just goofey, but I don't dislike any.
The next part I am going to compare with a cake, A cake is mostly middle with a a pretty sweet tasting frosting on the outside. When you go to a bakery they have lots of cakes to choose from. You look them over and choose the one with the best sweetest looking frosting. You don't know whats in the middle till you get it home and cut through the frosting to delve into the middle.
Bigfoot research is a lot like making a cake. There is plenty of middle with the plaster casts, hair samples, vocal recordings and such. What is lacking is the frosting that will make the public want to buy this cake. There are many cakes on the shelves. There are the Paranormal cakes. The it was Wallace cakes. The Hoaxer cakes. Cakes of all sorts. The trick will be finding the right frosting that will attract the public to look at the middle or the rest of the evidence. I don't have the answer to that question. I was just wondering what do you think it will take?
Posted on Jan 4, 2004, 2:01 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52
versus one big definitive find is anybody's guess.
I think what it will take is the ability to predict when and where these animals will be consistently enough to take scientists into the field and let them see for themselves.
How long was there physical evidence before the Mountain Gorilla was officially recognized? Scientists want to make sure that a skull isn't a hoax, misidentified, an aberration or anything else but the real deal. Show them a living animal in the wild doing its thing and that will rule out most of the questions. I believe it took three documented sightings to get the Megamouth shark recognized. There was no fossil evidence (teeth only in this case, but there could have been body impressions turned to fossils as well) that such and animal even existed.
The real problem is, if you had the definitive proof, who do you take it to? There is no designated group of people/scientists tasked with naming new species.
Personally, I don't worry about this anymore. I want to see one and study it's behavior and ecological niche because it's in my back yard, so to speak, but I don't feel compelled to try and convince anybody.
Posted on Jan 8, 2004, 5:28 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
. . .Bigfoot Dude Ranch was dang funny. I'm still hurting. May have to have stitches where I fell out of my chair. LOL The first thought I had when I read about "Bigfoot Dude Ranch" was the movie "City Slickers" But, with a bunch of Monkeys.
Now that's Entertainment.
Posted on Nov 21, 2003, 5:58 PM from IP address 220.127.116.11
Fuzzy grainy pics of NOTHING!
Pictures are good for the researcher and maybe to show around to a few friends,but as far as proof goes,zip.
Damnit Erik,how many times do I have to tell you this before it sinks in?
Posted on Dec 12, 2003, 1:09 AM from IP address 18.104.22.168
Everyone knows why thay are doing this (hunt?) thay need money and thay think there are enough people that would pay 800 for the experience. From what I here thay even have in the papers you sign that no refunds etc. It seems to me that more people would pay say 100 for a weekend where someone says there is activity but can't garante that you would here are see anything. At least that would be honest.
Posted on Nov 22, 2003, 10:27 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
"Mr, I don't know what you got in there, but if It'll fit in your ass pocket it ain't big enough".
They kept saying "you don't need a gun, they won't hurt you"..... before the night was over, you better not set your gun down or they had it scooped up.
They kept saying "befriend them and feed them fruit"
Tug said "Feed them, hell Mr, I don't need a pet that big"..Tug told them they were missing the whole point of them being there. He wanted them gone.
Posted on Nov 21, 2003, 4:08 AM from IP address 126.96.36.199
And go there for a weekend to allegedly "hunt" BF? I doubt it. For one thing, most BF researchers and BF enthusiasts just don't have that kind of money to cough up for fun (or anything else, speaking for myself!). Plus I doubt they would pull in any serious researchers, who could do a far better job on their own, in their own research areas, at a tiny fraction of the cost, with better results in terms of any actual findings or a sighting. That leaves the amateur thrill seekers, and they could spend a weekend in, uh...Cancun or Las Vegas for that. At least I guess they could, I've never actually checked out the prices. But I would be very interested to know if anyone actually goes on one these $800 trips, as i just don't see much of a market for such a thing. JMO.
Posted on Nov 24, 2003, 5:21 AM from IP address 188.8.131.52
I don't have that much white paint. No really, let me be serious for a minute here. I could change the color of the plaster. I could probably do it in another color but then the painting wouldn't look life like or believable.
Posted on Nov 21, 2003, 10:00 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
But you could leave out the bathroom functions. As it is, when you get settled enough where you are to get back to making T-shirts, I'll order a couple more for my grandson. If I had the $800 life-size version, I'd put it on my living room wall, just as you walk into the house. Now, THAT would be a great conversation starter....or stopper.
Posted on Nov 23, 2003, 8:17 AM from IP address 220.127.116.11
Hmmm...another..."Planet of the Apes" amusement park venture...100 fools times $800USD is $80K...that, times three is the better part of a quarter million...much better than a stock market gig or MLM scam!
Maybe, I ought to write a book?
If a cannibal in Germany can...why not a tale of Louisiana and Okieland monkey episodes?
Posted on Dec 4, 2003, 8:51 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
This afternoon I went out to do a little field research.I found a small sappling cedar tree with all the bark stripped off of one side from top to bottom. At first I thought it was a rub until I got closer to it, also it struck me as odd for a deer to make a rub at this time of the year. When I got up to the tree I saw that there was no limbs broke off and that there were no cut or scratches into the wood like a deer rub. This was done recently because there was still fresh sap. Also the bark shavings were not there on the ground or anywhere. Then I looked a little more and noticed about six trees like that. Some of the trees had the bark stripped off a while back, you could tell it was old. All the same as the first. The area that I found this is along the edge of the river. About 10yrds up the ridge with the river below. I could still see the river from where I was. I went to take a picture but the memory card was full, so I bent down to delete a couple of pictures. WHile I was bent down I heard a large splash. I look back and saw the water splash up from whatever it was. It was like a rock being thrown into the river, Note NOT A beaver. Ihave spent much time on many rivers and know what a beaver popping its tail sounds like. I heard a vocal in that area before. I beleive it was like what timber calls a rock concert. I had this happen to me on another river nearby where large rocks were thrown off a bluff into the river. So I finished getting the pic and got the heck out. It was almost dark and I was by myself with only my 12ga loaded with 7 1/2. Left the buck shot in the truck. (not to bright) Any way I was in no mood for a bf confrontation. Any idea as to what did that to the trees? Not sure bf did it.
Posted on Jan 6, 2004, 7:39 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
I guess you have all seen the still frame of the noxie film. Well i was looking over the photo and noticed something. right were the large apelike figure is look up and to the left and tell me that that doesnt appear to be possibly a second creature.
Posted on Jan 4, 2004, 3:44 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
how hard is it for people to realize the so-called
Noxie pictures are not of a creature at all?
This is getting old really fast.
Those photo's have been analysed and blownup from every angle and all that can be found are HUMAN shapes in the woods.Very visible human shapes and accessories.
Not only by myself but several others have the same conclusion.It's a pipe dream...
I wish someone would explain how they see a creature there when there is none!
The need a good .....
This message has been edited by Timberghost from IP address 188.8.131.52 on Jan 5, 2004 4:13 PM
Posted on Jan 5, 2004, 9:59 AM from IP address 184.108.40.206
and make themselves look better. They could have got plenty of video, if they would have stayed off the porch hiding behind the women. We tried to get them to collect samples for DNA. They thought all the blood was from the deer kill. I'm sure a 70lb. yearling will bleed gallons of blood. Funny thing is, all the blood was still inside the carcass. If Miles didn't get any video, it was because he was shaking so bad. We had to call him off the porch twice to come look at two creatures standing across the road. We stood right beside him while he had his camcorder on them. They act like the rain was pouring down hard when it was actually a steady drizzle. It was enough to wash away the blood evidence, but they had plenty of time to gather it the day before.
You folks believe what you want, but these folks are trying to make money off our story, and cover up the biggest screwup bigfoot research has ever seen.
And Matt Moneymaker said on the phone that he is "The worlds foremost expert on bigfoot".
If that's the case he should have came because the three fools he sent didn't know anything.
And they think it all ended then. We just told them that to get rid of their incompetent asses. This went on for several months.
This message has been edited by Timberghost from IP address 220.127.116.11 on Jun 17, 2003 4:55 AM This message has been edited by Timberghost from IP address 18.104.22.168 on Jun 17, 2003 4:49 AM
Posted on Jun 17, 2003, 4:46 AM from IP address 22.214.171.124
So, Matt Moneymaker is the foremost expert on Bigfoot around. [Hmmm, are he and Tuklo familar with one another?]
Let me tell you about good ole Matt Moneymaker [the last name says it all doesn't it].
In 1999 when JD and I entered the INTERNET BIGFOOT COMMUNITY, we felt that the BFRO had a great idea about having a geographic database. We were impressed enough to print nearly all their encounter reports from virtually all the states listed. [Even at 10 cents a page, it set us back a little bit, but we felt like this was something we wanted to do]. I even e-mailed mister Moneymaker telling him I had an encounter with a southern Sasquatch, but he ignored my email.
Then [by accident] I discovered the GCBRO. With Bobby's help, we established ourselves and have been going strong ever since.
The BFRO [?] they're not in this for scientific study, their in this for the money and glory. Don't ever think they're not.
Posted on Jun 17, 2003, 9:01 AM from IP address 126.96.36.199
instead of the BFRO. At the time we didn't have a clue about any group. BFRO was just the first one I came to when I typed in bigfoot on my search engine. If we had of contacted the GCBRO instead, we could have had critters stacked up like cord wood. We needed help at the time, not a old man and two city boys to look out for.
Posted on Jun 17, 2003, 10:16 AM from IP address 188.8.131.52
Is there no intellectual honesty left in the world. don't you care at all that they tried to come down and work with you and help identify and clear the problem? Noone is trying to make money off anything. It is a mystery we are all trying to HELP solve. Matt may be a bit proud of his work but he should be. He's one man that has been trying his ass off for a long time to get a good honest job of figuring this out. Have you never seen people shocked and amazed when they are not used to gunplay. I am from Dallas TX and we see way too much of it man against man. I prefer your hunting and the hunting we do down in east tx. I'll know what's really what if this post is supressed. The "seige" story is bigger than all of you folks who experienced it combined - it's must know material. The blame games can fly and be laughed at by the rest of us as another reason BF is the better species.
Posted on Jun 19, 2003, 5:42 AM from IP address 184.108.40.206
Bullshit. That was put on their website as a prelude to a book Thomas Powell is writing. At the time we needed help, not hinderance. Help us identify what we were dealing with? That's crap, we KNEW what we were dealing with and needed help to get rid of them. Help? they only helped themselves. If they really wanted to solve the mystery they would have gathered DNA evidence. And they wouldn't have told us not to gather it ourselves if they REALLY wanted this mystery solved.
Posted on Jun 19, 2003, 9:40 AM from IP address 220.127.116.11
Book Schmook, did getting rid of the snowpeas help push the night creatures back from your family or not? It's a good story and it sounds like it's you're collective story. All I'm saying is I'd rather hear it than hear who screwed up what. I say fix the problem not the blame. The reason all the armchair pontificateurs in Chicago and Boston have such a heyday with US ALL is that the whole thing stretches the bounds of credulity. And yet it is precisely the thing that would occur if we were baiting tigers off a front porch in Texas instead of India (except tigers aren't as smart or cunning) - they would lurk up out of the night searching for any chink in the perimeter and get what they could. One major difference is that these guys have some level of ability to act in concert or as a group for distraction, surprise and evasion. The true victory will occur when the bigger men step over and above their quarrels and monetary interest and cinch the incontrovertible truth about the publics' neck for all to see and be amazed.
Posted on Jun 19, 2003, 4:58 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
personally...i havent read of anything the BFRO had to do with a monkee issue that wasnt revolving around money..
everything they do is tied into a buck in someway shape or form.
now on another note..
i havent seen one person from there group yet in the woods..and form what i understand from several sources..i'd rather not..
incompetent...is pr'olly the best word to describe them.
when people face the mirror and really let the facts of credibility set in you'll realize there are only a handful of people capable of running around in the woods chasing these critters..and i'd say even less that are cabable of abstract study.
the more my buddies and i dwelve into this chase, the more we realize this.
the rest a chair sitters and intellectuals popping thoughts off of their heads while sipping on pepsi.
peas...hell, i wouldnt have gotten rid of those peas either..
those are gravy shots...
Posted on Jun 19, 2003, 11:11 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
What kind of lead are you using, by the by? I have always wanted a super Redhawk 480 just to make damned sure I'm not caught short. I figure my 45 would just splatter on the mantle (skin/muscle/bone) because it's too slow and the 357 might have the punch but could be too small (kindof cauterize on the way through if placement wasn't EXact). AR15 is no good as a glorified 22; 12 gauge with a lead ball is getting there. Tips, techniques? No say Jose? I understand.
Posted on Jun 20, 2003, 4:55 AM from IP address 126.96.36.199
caliber/bullet weight you can shoot, accurately. Example, a 110 grain .30/06 bullet may be a .30 caliber, but the light weight corresponds to a short bullet, lacking the sectional density, ie; length and retained weight and construction to adequately penetrate large game.
Same as a .444 Marlin, using 240 grain bullets. Though a heavy weight bullet, in this caliber, the bullet is short and lacks sufficient sectional density for deep penetration. A 300 grain bullet of good construction will make a much better wound path, even though, inherently, the bullet will move slower and actually kick MORE! (The 240 gr. bullet is for .44Mag. handgun velocities, not Big Game/Big Game Rifles)
Like I said in the first line, if you can't shoot accurately, why bother at all?
"A good man, with a bad gun, beats a bad man, with a good gun". 18 .22's in the head/eyes, beats 100 misses with a .375 H&H Magnum, aimed at the heart.
Good luck. -BigSquatch
Posted on Jun 21, 2003, 12:14 AM from IP address 188.8.131.52
the .444 Marlin /w/ 305gr. Flat Point Penetrators, it's one hell of a big gun, good stopping power. I also carry a 12ga shotgun loaded with .00 Buckshot for close quarters. I think they are a good combination.
Posted on Jun 24, 2003, 8:33 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
James, were you at the Conroe, Tx. Conference this past weekend?
by taffy341 (no login)
Met someone at the Conroe, Tx. Conference who said he posted as 'James'. Just wondered if it was you...
I am 'no kill' and he was 'pro kill'.. I laughed and told him that "we just have 'agree to Not Agree' on that portion of our interest in Bigfoot."
Other than that... we both are researching. I am very intense with the belief that things should be documented, such as annual pictures of area's that may have had Big Foot activity at certain times of the year. That means taking the pictures, even where there seems to be no evidence at the time except for reported unidentified activity in that area that could possibly be associated with Bigfoot (killing of goats, sheep, pigs on a school project farm the same time each year). By taking the pictures of the surrounding wooded area and creek/river, the following year/season, when the same occurs (as it has the prior three+ years in the same time frame), there will be pictures to compare to see any changes, if any, have been done to that specific area.
For example, if something appears to have the makeings of a marker, was anything added to it the following year... or did something that had the makings of a marker appear in an area the following year...in short, what changes, if any, have occurred. Even if there are two years of no discernable change in the areas of the photographs but the same activity occurs each subsequent year, then the researchers know to canvas a different area of possible miagration (if it may be a miagrating Bigfoot). This technique is nothing new to research but of the utmost importance to serious research.
Even though, the research is private and not devulged to the public, it is utmost important that the researcher have the background photo data to show the comparison of previous years at this time and place of the re-occuring 'possible' Bigfoot type activity happening each year in a certain time period.
Obviously, when something tangible appears for a photo, etc. there will be data to show for area comparisons, etc.
Posted on Jun 29, 2003, 3:38 PM from IP address 220.127.116.11
sorry, i've been out of twon for a little bit. No that was not me as I was unable to attend. sorry I missed it. I'll read your note and weigh in a little later. Basically I feel strongly both ways - I'm generally against killing them in any wanton way but feel some definite proof is required as a first "sacrifice" for science. best regards and happy belated Fourth.
Posted on Jul 11, 2003, 7:38 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
and he didn't run out publicly and tell folks what a disaster that this incident became. He was not looking for publicity and didn't want his family exposed to the ridicule that they later had to endure. I was just getting into the internet side of the BF search when this occurred and getting good info on this incident was not easy. Another point that I think is important is that Mike's account has remained the same ever since he reluctantly came forward (to make sure his side was told) . Also it really doesn't matter what the BFRO's intentions were, the people they sent had no idea of what they were up against.(Many folks in this pursuit have good intentions but have no clue) I know there are some good folks in the BFRO, as there are in most groups, and they are aware of the problems. Just my 2 cents.
Posted on Jun 24, 2003, 11:37 AM from IP address 22.214.171.124
I'll defend the man if only because I know him a little better than you and noone needs to hear your personal attacks. This is America and I guess I'm supposed to defend your ability to make an ass out of yourself no matter what, so knock yourself out. When you apply your vaunted education to some meaningful BF research even a fraction of what BFRO has done on their worst day, you can talk. I am a member of the BFRO - they and others who run balanced message boards or sighting catalogues provide an excellent service for the rest of us. period.
Posted on Jun 21, 2003, 12:55 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
but not everybody, EB. Some of these folks had already fought their wars, some of us were out of diapers, and ultimately bound for other wars.
Some never went to war. Some have degrees, some less. But why attack people, unless you know for sure who they are?
I've asked you to look at my reports on the GCBRO database. You claimed, after I provided you all the info. needed, to be unable to locate them. I honestly, sought after your opinion.
Alas, every intention of my benevolence toward you has been met with juvenile repercussions of, "Who are you? What is your real name?"
I will not list names. But some Forum Owners, directors of groups, whatever, know my real info. EVEN Ella!! And it is a conditional knowledge of trust and understanding. Something I do not expect to achieve with you, despite my initial attempts to start a reciprocal/mutual trust relationship, via the internet with you.
So, until the time that you mature to adulthood, I see no further reason to correspond with you. Maturity is not years. You POTTY MOUTH PSEUDO-ADULT.
This message has been edited by Timberghost from IP address 188.8.131.52 on Jun 25, 2003 5:13 AM
Posted on Jun 24, 2003, 9:25 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
Nothing new when you correspond with anyone who causes trouble
by Bill A (no login)
I find it funny when the know it alls such as EB claims all kinds of scenarios for Bigfoot and has ALL the answers. YET,guess who is aT ALL THE MESSAGE BOARDS & trying to find out STILL more information? None other than EB himself. Why would someone with ALL the answers need to come to ANY message boards or even WORRY about what others say contrary to what he says?
Someone who has a high IQ, MBA, and a handle on everything. ONLY to never find or hold a job that uses any of this knowledge or abilities. Only to swim in a pool of what he considers as idiots,newbies, and uneducated trailer trash. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. It would be nice however to get an honest answer from him once and for all.
Posted on Jul 1, 2003, 11:34 AM from IP address 220.127.116.11
but he can be entertaining. As long as you don't take it personal. Because really, who really cares about how he feels about you?
You make some good points. I've thought the same things, but you put the thoughts in order and into a thread. Good job, Bill.
Posted on Jul 1, 2003, 5:24 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
I too have had experiences with EB. Being new to the field but interested in knowing other people’s options I reached out an olive branch. That is the way to get your arm bitten off. I agree he is entertaining and as long as you don’t let him get your main e-mail address he can be amusing. If he is as smart as he claims to be I don’t know sometimes he seems to make sense in a weird way and other times he sounds like Ozzie Ozborn.
Posted on Jul 2, 2003, 9:35 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
Timberghost, my buddy (who lives near Broken Bow) and I have been going deer hunting for about 20 years in the Kiamichi's. For the past 15 years, we've been camping in the same spot. For about the past 12 years, we've had some strange incidents. Not long after your experience, I contacted the BFRO and left them my cell phone #. About a week later, someone called and left a couple of voice mails--there was something about the way they worded their response and talked that spooked me. I called my friend and he told me a little about what he had heard about your dealings with them and warned me to stay away from them. I'm glad I took his advice (I even changed cell phone providers!)
Posted on Jan 5, 2004, 11:38 AM from IP address 126.96.36.199
The pictures you have showing the dog/goat/hog/deer like skeleton's: There are no spikes. That is the way most animal backbones are shaped. Ever eat T bone steak? Its just one side (1/2)of the back bone with meat…..Funny because my dad and I were quail hunting by a creek one day. We found what looked like to be a strange fish head skeleton. The old farmer stop by when we looking at it. He said "deer pelvis" and drove off. I had cut my own deer meat up myself for years and was still blind to what we had found. After I knew what it was I could see he was so correct. Good luck with your monster. I want a BIG FOOT myself. Still looking. Thanks.
Posted on Nov 21, 2003, 12:32 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52
i had no idea what part of the cow a T-bone steak came from...plus I don't like steak. But as for Timber's creature, the skeleton may or may not be the mystery animal that his brother has witnessed and heard. That's the one they are trying to identify. There was a discussion here a while back as to whether or not the mystery creatures may be displaced/escaped dholes, which I think is a form of wild Asiatic canine, and no definite conclusion was reached. I hope Timber and his brother will continue to try to identify that strange creature, whether or not it's related to the skeleton.
Posted on Nov 24, 2003, 5:26 AM from IP address 184.108.40.206
I located the very same "bones" ,the same stucture and got the name. "Thylacoleo" extinct from Austrailia. A large cat like carnivore that varied in size. The largest approaching the size of the female African lion. They also speak of the same tooth wear and have found remains in the caves of Austrailia. It's on the web. check for your selves.
Posted on Jan 3, 2004, 9:23 AM from IP address 220.127.116.11
The Kianichi Mountain range of southeastern Oklahoma is more than just beautiful…it is said to be the home of a wild-eyed hairy man that stands 10 ft tall. The Encounters team visits a rural home, said to be site of a battle between these creatures and the homeowner. Autumn Williams views compelling pictures of the creatures and obtains a very large hair sample for evaluation.
Posted on Jan 1, 2004, 12:57 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
Mike don't bother posting my question if you don't want to. I was only personally interested in any follow-up as I had never heard your story before. My intent wasn't to get involved in any infighting with other forums.
All the best in the New Year to you and your family.
Posted on Jan 1, 2004, 10:19 AM from IP address 22.214.171.124
and possibly two more but found no blood. 5 rounds all together. The one my brother shot he put three rounds in. Two of those we know hit the target. One shot each at the other two creatures. Could have downed two more for sure but we were stupid and listened to the BFRO.
Posted on Dec 6, 2003, 10:22 AM from IP address 126.96.36.199
I've heard some of this before. I dont expect to hear the whole story again..I would like to know the round that you used and more info surrounding the story. How did the BF react to being shot at? How many were on the scene at the time of the shooting? Any ideas on the sex of the BFs that were present?
I know you have been through this before, TG, but I am now seeking for my own personal benefit, as I am hunting them on my own.
Do you feel that there is a threat involved for hunting them? Do you think that they know that you are hunting them, when, in fact, you are? Have you noticed anything to indicate that they know they are being hunted?
Also, after the "siege", have you had any activity? Have you tried to make friendly contact or any other kind of contact?
Are you still working on this instance? What has occurred since the last public acknowledgement of this incident? I am just curious of what has been going on since I have last heard.
Thanks for the reply.
Also...Hey, Timber, hope you had a good holiday. All the best to you and yours.
Posted on Dec 30, 2003, 12:46 AM from IP address 188.8.131.52
Hi TimberGhost! I would like to invite you back to the BFF for a new discussion of the original (and continuing?) Honobia encounters. I've started a new thread with an invitation for you to give us any new news of your story. Is anything still going on? Any more info from the encounters? Thanks man........ Morgan
Posted on Dec 31, 2003, 4:46 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
The christmas page got a virus on it. I didn';t put it there...
by Bill A (no login)
and I know who probably did though.
As for my message board you need to go to my frontpage http://www.hominidartwork.com
and click on the forum button. It is a new forum since network 54 is using spyware to check the every move of each one of use for advertising purposes. You will get more spam and junk from them by having network 54. Many have changed to other message boards already.
Anyway that's it in a nut shell.
Posted on Dec 27, 2003, 2:24 PM from IP address 220.127.116.11
Don't let the capture of Saddam make you think it's all over. The capture is a plus to the equation but not really the reason for the war in Iraq. It's the "BANANA" oil field that Bush and his daddy has money and interest in and was afraid Saddam and his henchmen might get to. I'm still proud to be an american but not under the Bush admin.
Posted on Dec 20, 2003, 10:14 AM from IP address 18.104.22.168
Knowledge is really a great thing. It can keep you from being taken advantage of by the BULLS*****RS out there in this world. I recently read a story about someone mistaking a log for a live animal. Our little group of hunters gained access to a $25,000.00 + piece of equipment, this one has a thousand yard range and is sensitive enough to be used to diagnose injuries and potential leg problems in horses. In other words the latest in technology. Along with the use of this piece of equipment came some very useful training from the person that uses it every day, and makes alot of money doing it. Enough background, now to the good stuff. When the ambient air temperature is less than 75 degrees it is impossible to mistake an inanimate object (log) from an animate object (animal), unless someone is trying to mislead people, or trying to pull a fast one?. So keep your Bill Nigh the Science Guy explanations to yourself because now you're "BUSTED".
I hope you post this Mike, It is intended not to call anyone out, but to inform. Thanks.
Posted on Dec 6, 2003, 9:22 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
I am here to welcome you to the new forum that Arkansan has now. It is the one we will be using in the future so if you go to the old one it is no longer being used just left there for anyone to read if they want to. We will be at the new one from now on so come visit us there.
Posted on Dec 4, 2003, 9:22 AM from IP address 126.96.36.199
We were camping at the K-River Campground on the Kiamichi River during the summer when we were awakened by very loud and long deep moans from across the river.
The two dogs in camp began barking along with the dogs from a house about 300 yds away.
Each time it moaned it was further up stream. Could this have been a bear?
Posted on Dec 3, 2003, 11:22 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52