Many Greek tribes form the Hellenic nation. Macedonians, Athenians, Peloponicians, Thracians, Ionians (Asia Minor), Pontians etc. Greek tribes that have in common that all belong to the same race. In Hellas for many years during Ottoman occupation lived a tribe called Arvanites. A pure Greek tribe accepted from other tribes as Greek and as equal. The only problem with Arvanites was that they had good relationships with the Ottomans and easily were changing their orthodox religion to muslim in order to get privileges from the Ottoman rulers. Where that tribe disapeard?! How it becomes and a pure Greek tribe does not mentioned any more? ALBANIANS ARE THE LOST ARVANITES!Its easy to find that. Albania is the creation of the western power game. Hellas and Albania is exactly the same with the only difference that Albanians forced to cut off from their motherland Hellas due to their religion.
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The modern day Albanians are a mix of Illyrians, Vlachs and Hellenes who took the identity and name of a small group of migrants from the Caucasus during the tragic Ottoman occupation. This was done in a similar fashion to the Slavs who took the mantle of the Bulgarians hundreds of years before. This also explains the deep tribal vendetta culture that is shared with people like the Chechens and the close cultural affinity with Islam.
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the albanians have to nothing to do with the vlachs and hellens. there is no similarity in theirs language with the albanian language, if there is any similarity betwen them in other things tell me(but there aren't). you must learn the history not by the serbs or greeks but by famous historians. be well.
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Well, Balkans have had mixed populations for many many years. The word "Arvanitis" (singular) appeared around 400 years -or a bit more- ago. Arvanites were "Born" when Southern Epirots or South Christian Albanians married other Greek people (epirots mostly, macedons, and other). Those are ARVANITES. It is COMPLETELY different from Turk Arvanites or Turk Albanians (they came up after Ottomans married muslim Albanians). However they spoke more or less the SAME language so Arvanites and Turk Albanians might be comfused in some texts. Arvanites are not a different nationality, they belong to the Greek tribe, if there are nowadays such things as distinct tribes. The language of Arvanites (now extinct 'cause most of their descendants speak fluently greek) bears similarities to both Ancient Illyrian and Ancient Greek.
P.S.: Don't forget the so called FATRIES (families) of Arvanites (for example Botsaris ) that fought the Ottomans during the Greek Independence period(1821-1830), even against Turk Albanians who were mercenaries of the ottomans. However, some people comfused them, even on purpose similarly to Kolokotronis (the most known peloponesian hero of that period) who was put to jail for no reason more than TWICE i think, by -mostly- peloponesian leaders during that period...
Albanians might not be greek, or greek be albanians, but these two nations are bound to have common roots.
--Every conflict must have its rules.
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no way i am not a grek i am an ilirian maybe there is some
conections betwen us because qe qas there since the begining of the time
we are not greks we are ilirian naw noun as albanian
and we never was ortodoks yes we was katolik before the otoman
inavazion and we change but the greks cheged to
and only wen the turks was gone you change again like the snake change the skin.
and dont forget that the albanian was the people that make mor rezistenc
to the otomans and you the greks you just leve the turkish take your land
diont forget that we was them whu protected all the
europ from the turk. yas is true.
and tell me something else were it come our laguig????
abaut this you dont now wat to say or not??
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Paparigopolos:"Today's Greeks Dont Have Any Interest with Ancient Greeks"
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August 15 2005, 6:59 AM
Albanians are not greek origin.Complex greeks think everybody are greek.Modern greeks have albanian blood.Even greece's one of the biggest historicians,Paparigopolos says modern greeks dont have any interest with ancient greeks."Real greeks" were deleted on earth by roman invasion in 146.BC.Today's greeks occured from the people who migrated to "greece" georaphy in 6.AC.These people came from north and west to peloponesia.These people were Slavs,Albanians,Ulahs,Cumans,Scythians...at totaly 13 races.These people's common way was to be orthodox and they mixed with each other and became today's greeks.Russians created fake greeks to divide Ottoman empire.Albanians included most of greece geography until demolish of Ottoman empire.This map confirms this...
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"Albanians are not greek origin.Complex greeks think everybody are greek.Modern greeks have albanian blood.Even greece's one of the biggest historicians,Paparigopolos says modern greeks dont have any interest with ancient greeks."Real greeks" were deleted on earth by roman invasion in 146.BC.Today's greeks occured from the people who migrated to "greece" georaphy in 6.AC.These people came from north and west to peloponesia.These people were Slavs,Albanians,Ulahs,Cumans,Scythians...at totaly 13 races.These people's common way was to be orthodox and they mixed with each other and became today's greeks.Russians created fake greeks to divide Ottoman empire.Albanians included most of greece geography until demolish of Ottoman empire.This map confirms this..."
KanouniSS.... its not our fault for you being a Turk Greel history exists either you like it or not. There is glory, bravery, culture inside that history. If you feel inferior of your Turkic heritage.... its not our problem. If you want to dissapear and delete from earth a whole nation in 146 bc. in order to prove no continouity for Greeks... then again is not our problem. ....and do you know something? Yes... most of the people in the Balcan peninsula is of Greek origin. It again not our fault. So many colonies, so many cities around the Mediterannean Sea, so many soldiers around the Mediterannean Sea.... spread more things... except Hellenism. Most of the countries in the Balcans are creations of Communism, Ottomans, big powers. The Greeks today look like the Greeks used to be. The Turks look like mongol nomads? No! The Slavs in Balcans have the distinctive Slavic characteristics Russsians have. No! Albanians..... look the same like Greeks... especially the Tosks. A big and strong Hellenic culture was always something Americans, Brits, Ottomans would afraid. The influence of Hellenism in the world events would be so strong. They succed with Communism, with "divide and rule", with creation of artificial states like Fyrom or Bosnia or Turkey, ...to eliminate that thread. Capitalism prooved stronger. Hellenism was now is in a small country in the south of Balcans, No thread for the new world. See with your own eyes; Macedonians, Epirots, Islanders, Pontians, Atheneans, Arvanites, Peloponiseans, Vlachs etc in Greece are united under the Hellenism. Different races but so strong connected. Have you seen that somewhere else? In Turkey mayby? In ex- Yougoslavia? In ex-Ussr? Where? ....Nowhere! In the first chance they split from the artificial states. Imagine Hellenism free to spread among the Balcans and the Mediterannean Sea? No good news for our modern super powers. So..... I am laying somewhere?
PS. And dont feel ashamed or inferior for your Turkic violent heritage. Nazis were worst.... I think.....
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Albanian are NOT and will NEVER be greeks or anything else except Illyrians. Greeks are just a barbarian tribe who settled in Balkans some years ago.Ha ha ha ha ha. All their culture (and they don't have much) derives from Illyrians. I've got something 2 say: **** greeks and serbs and get the **** out of Ballcans as fast as u can or u'll all die here. Ju qifsha ato robt e motrrat ku ti keni. Long life to Illyrians and to their DIRECT descendents Albanians!!!!!!!!!!
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do you realize what you just wrote?
you just denied 4 millennium old (probably more) Greek nation and culture, maybe you should get back to school to Albania, if you have one there. Were you busy selling drugs and weapons on a black market during class time?
Anyway Greeks have a right to be proud of their origin, western culture is based upon Greek culture...
Democracy
Philosophy
History
Medicine
Bravery
National awareness
Warfare
Construction
...
and many other things are invented in greece...
so Shiptar dog, go back to Asia where you came from, you are not part of Balkan,
Europe, or our Culture.
Serbia have only two Friends...
God and Greeks!
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"Albanian are NOT and will NEVER be greeks or anything else except Illyrians."
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Yeah sure.. no problem. Albanians are not Greeks. Illyrians were..
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The ancestor of Albanians are the Dinarics. Dinarics are considered one principal European race. Who have the same ancestors ? Tracians , Dacians, Dorians, etc. The genetic remains could be found in Ukraine, Romania, Serbia, Monte Negro, Macedonia, north of Greece, north of Turkey and of course Albania.
Below I offer you the dinarics percentage within the enumerated countries:
UKRAINE:
Russia, Belorussia and Ukraine = 40% Neo-Danubian (most common in Belorussia and western Ukraine, Baltic Slavs ), 35% Ladogan ( UP - Mongoloid ), 8% Nordic( Germanic invasion impact ), 7% East Mediterranean (most common near the Black Sea coast), 5% Dinaric (m.c. - E. Ukraine), 5% Noric = 40% L+N / 35% L / 12% Dinarik / 8% N / 7% Med. .
ROMANIA:
Romania = 35% Dinaric (m.c. in the W ), 25% East Mediterranean (m.c. the coast ), 20% Neo-Danubian (m.c. in the NE, Baltic Slav), 10% Alpine ( UP ), 7% Noric and 3% Nordic (m.c. in the W, German colonists) = 42% Dinarik / 25% Med. / 20% L+N / 10% UP / 3 Nordik
SERBIA:
Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia and Macedonia = 75% Dinaric ( preslavic Illyrians) , 10% West Mediterranean (most common on the coast), 10% Noric ( depegmented Dinaric ) and 5% Neo-Danubian (most common in the north and Pannonia, Baltic Slav ) = 85% Dinarik / 10% Med. / 5% L+N
GREECE:
Greece = 40% East Mediterranean ( Aegean, present among Minoans, Aheans , 25% Dinaricized Mediterranean ( also present among ancient Hellenes) , 20% Alpine (most common in Epirus , Dorians ), 10% Dinaric ( Dorians were partly Dinarics ), 5% Nordish (partly assimilated remnant, or genetic recombinations from solution; most common in the N, Germanic invasion impact) = 40% Med. / 25% D.M. / 20% UP / 10% Dinarik / 5% N
TURKEY:
Turkey=35% Dinaricized Mediterraneans ( Greek colonists), 20% Mediterraneans ( Aegean coast, greek colonists), 25% Irano-Afghans ( eastern Turkey, Kurds ), 20% Turanids ( original semi-oriental Turkics, inhabits continental parts of central Anatolia one of them being region around Konya ) = 35% D.M. / 25% I.A. / 20% Med. / 20% T.
The thruth is that the dinaric areal, within the central and south of Europe is bigger.
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Illyrians were a Dorian tribe. Dorian tribe are the Macedonians, Spartans(only around the city of Sparta) and Eastern Cretans. Thats is where the Doric tribe moved to. So... most propably.. Illyrians were Greeks like all the Dorians. If we take under consideration the fact that Alexander the Great... never attacked seriously.. the land of Illyrians (except some goat thiefs)... we have to accept that Illyrians were some kind connected with the Hellenic race.
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Basil, do you now over which civilization or race spreaded the dinaric race or civilisation, during the invasion? Over the Mediterranean and Armenoid races. In facts was a mixture of both races. This is the link between the Greks and Illirians. You must accept the Albanians or Illyrians has as a base the mixture formed by dinaric race( ) and the above mixture.
Albania = 75% Dinaric, 10% West Mediterranean, 10% Alpine, 5% Noric = 5% periphery Nordish
Genetic= Hystory
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Greel history exists either you like it or not. There is glory, bravery, culture inside that history. If you feel inferior of your Turkic heritage.... its not our problem. If you want to dissapear and delete from earth a whole nation in 146 bc. in order to prove no continouity for Greeks... then again is not our problem. ....and do you know something? Yes... most of the people in the Balcan peninsula is of Greek origin. It again not our fault. So many colonies, so many cities around the Mediterannean Sea, so many soldiers around the Mediterannean Sea.... spread more things... except Hellenism. Most of the countries in the Balcans are creations of Communism, Ottomans, big powers. The Greeks today look like the Greeks used to be. The Turks look like mongol nomads? No! The Slavs in Balcans have the distinctive Slavic characteristics Russsians have. No! Albanians..... look the same like Greeks... especially the Tosks. A big and strong Hellenic culture was always something Americans, Brits, Ottomans would afraid. The influence of Hellenism in the world events would be so strong. They succed with Communism, with "divide and rule", with creation of artificial states like Fyrom or Bosnia or Turkey, ...to eliminate that thread. Capitalism prooved stronger. Hellenism was now is in a small country in the south of Balcans, No thread for the new world. See with your own eyes; Macedonians, Epirots, Islanders, Pontians, Atheneans, Arvanites, Peloponiseans, Vlachs etc in Greece are united under the Hellenism. Different races but so strong connected. Have you seen that somewhere else? In Turkey mayby? In ex- Yougoslavia? In ex-Ussr? Where? ....Nowhere! In the first chance they split from the artificial states. Imagine Hellenism free to spread among the Balcans and the Mediterannean Sea? No good news for our modern super powers. So..... I am laying somewhere? 