Please tell me exactly what you did, in the most amount of detail. I'm having the most god awful times here. I remember my dreams every single night. PAGES of dreams I write down every night. Anytime I ask myself in my dreams if I'm dreaming, I laugh at myself for even asking such a question and if I ask myself how do I know I'm not, then my reply tends to be somethng along the lines of "duh... because I'm awake! that's why!" or something like that. I argue w/ myself. lol. So I'm hoping for success in a different method and hoping people w/ success in WILD can help a sista out Thanks 2 ne1 who does!
If you dream alot, you're sure to have some WILDs if you try this. I'm sure you've heard it before but try it again! Wake up 6 hours after you go to sleep and read or something for about 10-20 minutes. Then lay back and relax your whole body piece by piece. Pretend to be sinking into the bed with each exhale, yadda yadda yadda. You will feel a full body buzz. This means you are switching over to your dream body. Dont move or overreact, just try to roll over or sit up and peel your dream body out of your real body. I feel this same buzz while lucid. It's all about the buzz.
It's because when you do RCs during the day you don't expect it to be a dream, youre doing it as routine without actually thinking about what you're doing. That's why in your dream, you think it's rediculous that your dreaming, cause you don't believe it could happen. When you do them during the day, think hard about whether it's a dream or not, and if it was, what would you do.
Another idea I thought of for people having the same trouble as you is to stop doing RCs completely. Don't do it during the day at all, and use RCs as a dreamsign. If you catch yourself doing an RC, it MUST be a dream, since you don't do it during the day, and you can become lucid like that
tell me what you think
~ike
if you look back in some of the previous posts or ever past pages, you can find countless amount of info techs experiences and methods for wild..good luck
Go to sleep for about 5-6 hours, then wake up for about 5-10 minuts ( best time to do it is at about 5:00 in the morning!! when it's still dark ) , don't stay in your bed, you must get up!! ( it's very help to splash wather on your face the moment you go out of your bed ).
Then put some nice music near your bad, maybe disk, or a radio, or your TV ( put dark picture ), put something soft, something that you love to hear, set a volume that you feel good with, not too low and not high or course, then you go back to bed.
Now the only thing you have to do is listen to the music, don't think any thoughts, just listen and pay all your attention to the music, it will not take very long untill you will find yourself in the lucid dream.
Why music you ask ? becouse there are many things you can use to do WILD, counting, listen to your breaths, repeat on something in your head, listen to a clock Tick-Tack ... but all this methods are very boaring, and it's very easy to start flow with your thoughts which is very very bad things to do in this method, but if you use music that you love, then ( from experience! ) it's very easy to keep your attention all the time on the music without start wondering with your thoughts.
Also, when you feel very close to enter the dream ( you will feel the strong vibrations and you will feel and hear and see a lot ) a key way to enter to the dream is motion, try to imagine that you walk, or sweeming, or do some movement, for example spinning yourself, this method will put you very fast inside the dream envarement.
Only Me: This is so wierd. As I read your post and got to the part at the bottom about vibrations, I remembered that I HAD A WILD TODAY! while I was napping but totally forgot about it. I think the reason I forgot is that I napped for 4-5 hours which is usually too long to remember dreams and whatnot. All I can remember now is getting VERY strong vibrations and just laying still waiting to find myself in a lucid dream but I can't remember anything after the vibrations. They were stronger now than they usually are to the point where it made breathing painful. The most painful vibrations I've had so far were when I was having a WILD inside a dream. It was like getting hit in the stomach with a stick, several times! Its so wierd how reading the word 'vibrations' triggered my memory.
I love so much the vibrations! it's a very strong clue that you are only one step a head from entering the lucid dream !
Tell me, i don't see that anyone here reply about what i said about using music to do WILD, did you try it ? you don't like the idea ?
I can only tell you from my own experience that this is the best way to do WILD, it's very easy to keep your mine a wake while listening to a music that you like, too bad for you if you not trying it, your loss.
I tried that last night and came the closest I've ever been to staying somewhat conscious while going into a dream... but the thing is is that as soon as I was makin progress the music would pull me back out of it again! DOH! Guess I gotta work on it.. thanshies for the suggestion tho
Wooow that's so great man ! i tell you it's the BEST way to do WILD !! it's not boaring like counting numbers or listen to a clock Ticks or repeating something in your head, it's much easier ! you should put music that you like to hear and also when you listen to it you can sing along with it in your head ;-)
Set the volum of the music not too low and also not too high, put volum that you feel OK to fall asleep with but not too low so that you can hear it good anough at the same time.
It's working best if you sleep 5-6 hours, wake up for 5-10 minutes and then do it.
If anyone else tried it please tell me, i'm very interesting to know how this method works for you good people ;-)
I have regularly got these buzzes/vibrations now in the early morning thanks to the sleep for 5/6 hours, get up, go to bed method.
However, whenever I feel these vibes, I let them continue, but when they end I find I am still awake. I consider myself to be very calm during them. What am I doing wrong?
I try not to move my dream body in case I move my actualy body instead. Is there anything else I should be doing?
Bishy, sounds like you're doing fine already - I wish I could remember all my dreams! If you're pre-lucid you'll get there in the end. How do you remember so many dreams - or are you just talented?
My guess as to why I remember so many dreams is because I am a very visual person... I remember everything by pictures and I associate pictures to things that are just sound,etc... So if I remember just a picture from a dream or something, by backtracking to how I got to that picture in the first place I just remember them all. It could also have something to do with that I've just always paid attention to my dreams. As long as it works for remembering I guess it's all gravy no matter the reason.. but as far as that pre-lucid thing... I'm not sure that I am! lol. In my dreams usually I have no idea I'm dreaming AT ALL. I'm also a VERY heavy sleeper so that might have something to do with it too. shrugs
You said that you often "argue" with yourself almost as whether or not you are in a dream. Often with me that is what triggers me into realising that I’m in a dream as in the waking world you would never need to argue with yourself, there wouldn’t bee any doubt at all that u were awake. Whereas if there is even the smallest doubt that i am awake and I’m in fact dreaming, that is what me realise that I’m dreaming
The thing is is that I have a horrible time convincing myself... the common sense is just not there in dreamland... thats why the dummy side always wins the arguement. lol
Has anyone tried listening to rhythmic drumming instead of music? I feel that music would be too complicated for me...
I'm talking about shamanic-like, trance-like drumming.
I tried the music method tonight, and i did not had a lucid dream but i got very fast ( 15-20 minutes ) to some very strong vibrations, it was very easy and fun!
As you said i put music that i love to hear near my bad from a radio and there where very nice songs at this time, it was just great, thank you very much for the WILD music idea!!
Tried it for the first time some days ago, it worked very well. I just got up about 6 hours after i went to bed and read about LD for about 10 min, then got back to bed. After about an hour all i can remember is a driftet of to sleep, then i am on a football field not far away from my house in a LD running after a guy trying to kick his ass Realy cool LD, meltet holes in a window with my finger and shit Tried the spinning tecnuiqe to attain my lucidity, blacked out and had like 5-6 false awakenings.
How do you not let the music wake you back up again? I would lay there with it on and tune it out and start driftin off.. but then I'd suddenly hear it again and it would wake me right back up. Any help would be appreciated w/ this... thanx.
There is no reason in the world that it would wake you up if it's not too high, you should set the volume not too high, put volum that you can hear good anough but not more, then just listen to it until the vibrations are comming, it's very easy and fun, it's working the best if you put music that you really love to hear, and not something too "hard", also if it's music that boaring you then you will start to wondering with your thoughts, so it's not good, put music that you like and love to listen to.
Please try again and tell me, i tell you it's the best method for doing WILD, it's working much much better then all the other boaring WILD methods ( listen to a clock, counting numbers, repeat something in your head ... )
Tell me good people why don't you reply to my message ?? isn't is true that many of you are trying the WILD method ? then why don't you say anything ? didn't you try my music WILD method ? then how was it ??
People please start to reply, i'm really interesting to know how did it work for you all, please try it and tell me here about it.
I'm still waiting to hear from you so don't let me down!
I tried it last night and I had a LD from it this morning. I went to sleep with 'Aqueous Transmission' by Incubus playing on repeat. Don't know if anyone knows it, but I find that is a relaxing song.
I had just woken up naturally from a non-lucid dream at 5am. After writing in my dream-journal, something I had been recently neglecting, I splashed my face with water, went to the bathroom etc, then tried to have a WILD again. At first I had a brief dream that I was sitting at my desk at work, trying to go into a WILD with my mates watching!! I succeeded for a couple of seconds then lost it and was still in my office. It was pretty weird - a WILD within a non-lucid dream. It actually felt real - don't know if I was lucid for that brief moment. But whatever, I woke up quickly and realised I was in bed. Damn!
I tried again straight away and it seemed quite easy. I just listened to the song as I was in the old hypnogogic territory. Didn't notice any vibrations or sp. I just remember opening one 'dream' eye, but what I saw was actually a close-up cartoon image of an eye, (mine) opening in front of me! Confusing eh? I was. I didn't catch on and thought I had accidently opened my real eye while trying to WILD. Then I realised, became lucid and opened both eyes. I heard my mums voice saying 'There you go!' as if congratulating me and welcoming me to the dream world or something. This made me more lucid, (Don't live with my parents), and I had to struggle to lift my heavy body from my bed. I won't bore you with the details of my LD, I've gone on long enough.
I should say though, that this method did seem like the easiest way so far!! However, I have had 4 LD's now and I have used different methods and always thought it was easy to LD only to go without another for a few weeks, despite trying almost every night. We'll see if this works again tonight. Gonna try it now. I will post my results tomorrow. Thanks Linksgiver. Hope this helps some people.
RedEyeJedi - Sorry it was so long, if you made it this far.
but that music thing just aint working. lol. I can't sleep with it on. I had it SO LOW that i could barely hear it at all.. and it just kept me awake. As soon as I turned it off.. I was out like a light lol. shrugs I dunno. maybe im doing something wrong with my thinking. but i DEFINITELY didnt have it too loud. neways..
Yes! it worked.
After having only heard about LD a week ago, I started reading up on it. Last night I had two LD's. The first was sort of vague, but I woke up at 5:00 and read this message board for a bit, and then had a very strong one.
Not to make those who shouldn't drink drink, but I was slightly drunk before I went to sleep. Has anyone else found that it is easier to get into lucid dreaming after drinking?
-S
If you find that it's harder to fall asleep with music
March 9 2002, 10:30 AM
As you know, you have to do WILD only after 5-6 hours of sleep and then been awake for a while.
Go to sleep at 24:00, wake up at 5:00 in the morning for 5 minuts ( you MUST get out of bed ) then, at 5:05 go back to sleep to try the Music WILD, you will see that it's much much easyer this way to fall asleep again ( 5:00 in the morning is a good time to try becouse it's still dark and not much noise and it's easyer to fall asleep ).
About the music, put something that you love to hear, maybe a good disk that you love ( One hour at least ) it's very importent that you will not flow away with your thoughts, try to put something soft and relax, don't put noisy music, set volum low but not too low so you will hear it good anough, the best music for this method is soft and relax music, and music that you love, not something boaring that will make you think of other things.
Again, i found that the best thing about this method is that it's not boaring like all the other WILD methods ( counting, listen to a clock or to your breaths ... ) so you almost not flow away with your thoughts and you keep all your atantion to the music, i found that in all the times when i failed with WILD was becouse i started to flow with my thoughts and i fell asleep, it's not happen with the music!!
Hey fellow oneironauts, shamans, and frustated sleepers,
i'm new to the forum. after seeing Waking Life and Vanilla Sky, i became fascinated about LDs. I read Laberge's ETWOLD, and Robert Moss' Conscious Dreaming. I've been keepin a pretty steady dream log. I've been taking B-complex, kava kava, and St. John's Wort vitamins, i've been doing occasional reality checks, and so far, i've had very little success. i had one WILD lucid dream (but got so excited that i woke myself up after a minute), and i had another dream in which i had partial lucidity (i was aware that i was dreaming, and i could change things, but never the way i wanted to).
after reading about the forum last nite, I tried the wake, music, wild technique in which you wake up after 5-6 hours, put on soft music and employ the wild hypnagogic imagery. i got some imgaery, i got the painful numbness/vibration, but i lay like this for a solid hour. i am exhausted now (due to a bad night's sleep), and i'm extremely frustrated. what's more, i don't remember a single dream from last nite (let alone any lucid ones). can an experienced oneironaut help a brother out? toss me a rope here and allow me to earn my official dreamwalker status. i just lay there and my mind was super-duper alert. i was extremely tired, but not sleepy (if you get my drift).
Well, it seems to me that after all it worked very nice :-) , so you did not had a lucid dream but still you got to the vibrations stage which is very very close, for most of the people the vibrations step is the harder step to reach to, so this is very good that you did it !
Now, let me help you some more, first as i said it's very good that using the music method you got to the vibrations ! good for you ! now the question is how to continue from here into the lucid dream, the best answer is trying to imagine that you are in motion, in movement, when you are in the vibrations step. this is the best method to enter the lucid dream, try to imagine that you are spinning very fast with your body ( sometimes it's easyer to imagine that the all room is turning very fast around you, the efect is the same ) , or try to imagine that you are running, or walking, or flying very fast forword ( the same is to imagine that all the view is comming fast to your direction, again, the efect is the same efect ).
Try it when you are in the vibration step, motion is the key !! it very very efective ! Please try it !!
I tried that music thing last night and I was lying there for ages thinking it wasnt working. After a while I went to turn the radio off and realised that it was my dream arms moving and not mine. I spun out so much it woke me up. After that the radio played shit songs so I couldnt get into it. I will try it with a CD tonight and try to think about movement. Before this I have only had a couple of dild's. Thanks for the advice as with a bit of practice I think I can get this to work.
Yeah, please try it !! this method is so effective !!
March 13 2002, 9:53 PM
Jump jump up message !!! ;-)
Yeah, a good music that you really really love to listen to is the key in the music WILD method, becouse if you will not put music that you love, you will start very soon to wondering ( is this the right word ? ) with your thoughts, so it's really very importent to put music that you really like and love to hear, so you can keep ALL of your attention to it, it's very easy to do when you listen to music that you love.
Set the volum no too high so you can fall asleep, but not too low so you can hear it good anough.
You have to do the music WILD method only after you slept 5-6 hours and then waked up for 5-10 minutes, 5:00 in the morning is the best time to try the music WILD ( after you waked up from 5 hours sleeping ). this method is really much less effective if you try it when you just going to sleep in the evening.
I think the style of the music should be something soft, kind of relax music, and not some "Hard" kind of music.
As i said, when you reach to the Vibrations, this is the time to start imagine yourself spinning very fast, in a few seconds you will find yourself in the lucid dream !! ( or imagine the all room spinning fast fast fast around you, it's the same effect ), or imagine yourself flying very fast, or that the all view comming very fast to your direction, do it when you are in the vibrations step !! in a few seconds you are inside the lucid dream !!
Did i write a lot ??
;-)
Well i just want you people to try it, many people are trying WILD, and i really think that the music method is the best of the best method for doing WILD, becouse when you get full controll over the WILD method, you will be able to create lucid dreams every time you want, every night, you will be the master of the lucid dreams !!
Thanks 2 ne1 who does!
- Sorry it was so long, if you made it this far.