discovered new dream recall technique - seems effective
March 6 2002 at 10:56 PM
well ever since i started lucid dreaming i hated the idea of a dream journal. but i kept a very good one and i know it helps. like most of you im in no mood to get up 3 times a night and start writting about dreams. but i also know how effect it is for recall and lucidity. i was thinking of a way for improving dream recall that i havent seen before. so i discovered a good way which seems to work very well. ( i do chakra exercises before bed but i dont think it matters with this ).
heres my tech:
while your falling asleep for the first time, think of the last detailed dream you had and remember. re-create the whole dream in your head. and go over all the details and act out as much as you can remember in your head. while your doing this try to focus on as much detail of the dream that you can remember.
before you know it you will be asleep:
when you wake up in the middle of the night, try to recall any dreams you just had. if you cant recall anything focus on another dream that you had recently and do the same as the first part. fall asleep.
wake up again the middle of the night.
same steps over and over...but try to focus on the dream you just woke up on as you fall asleep.
it will be easier to remember the dreams later in the night. this works great in the mourning after a while of sleeping. the first time i tried this was like 830 in the mourning. i fell back asleep doing this and had a ld. also my dream recall sucked latly so i tried it again last night and remember 3 dreams. please try it, or comment on it, and let me know. thanks..hope it helps..
i used this method again last night and with little effort had like 6 memorable dreams. really cool one's to. detailed and vivid. this seems to work very well...any responces??
i have never heard that before...maybe it is..well it works so who cares...its not like i published it into a book..
and by the way TOM...ive been trying to hold back anything i wanted to say to you latly, trying to keep this forum peaceful...but i wish one day i have the priviledge to pass you in the street and rip out you heart and feed it to your mother. ill keep it at that..
I read somewhere that the reason we forget dreams
is that we have no use of those memories, we never
pay any attention to them. By paying attention to your dreams you force your brain to automatically remember
them, cause the brain thinks that they are usefull since you think of them so much.
The brain never stores anything that has no use in our lives..
That's something I read and I think the end-result of your method is the same as keeping a journal..
Anyway.. Just something I read somewhere that might very well be true..
What you describe is basically the root of the MILD technique described by S Laberge in EWLD. You might save yourself some time by doing a little more reading so you don't have to re-invent the wheel.
I am sorry to offend you, steff, I didn´t know much about you. Of course I agree to a liberal politics allowing mentally challenged people to express their opinion. So speak out, feel free to distribute your thoughts. Everybody in this forum knows anyway that you never had a lucid dream but that you take your self very seriously. Well, read the previous post or re-invent the wheel or just keep on spreading your "new techniques" you copy-cat.
And btw, if I wanted to feed your heart to your mother I would have been charged of animal cruelty, you mental son of a ...
best wishes, may be you will understand once you turn 13 years old,
tom to start off dont go telling me i never had a ld cuz im not gunna be a little bitch 4 year old and argue over that. and if mental was the worst thing you could say to me you better spend a little more time before you respond to this message. also, is it to much for you to finish your last sentence. does you mom punish you if you curse? you sure act like it..and i wouldnt start with parental jokes cuz you lucid dream to fuck you mom. im not gunna turn this forum into an insulting challenge for bitches like you cuz if you crossed me in the street you wouldnt have much coming out of your mouth. maybe in your lucid dreams your tough but here you not. ill end it here...respond if you must..
1.) Still nobody believes that you ever had a ld; you could tell that easily from all your recent posts. Say what you want, you are a show-off. Even Shadowlifter(who was disgusting) was honest and I respected him for the experiences he had. You are nothing, a nobody and you will probably never have a ld. No matter how ofter you try to pretend to have had one.
2.) When you tried to threaten me with your childish "I´ll meet you after school" behaviour you exposed yourself as the numb 12 year old silly wanker that you are. Probably you are so ill, that you don´t even make it to school(provided you know what this building is actually), since the boys in the neighborhood know how sick you are and beat the shit out of you every morning. I think you are just trying to produce yourself as a strong ´big guy´in the net, because you know that in real life you will end up in some stinking suburb, never being able to get a girlfriend and not even being able to have a lucid dream of having a relationship to a descent girl, you wanker.
3.) We will probalbly never meet on the street, because I don´t live near a basic school or a slum.
4.) You started the mother-insulting thing in one of the previous posts, right? However, you might have never known your mother and father, since you are the outcome of a failed abortion, arranged due to bestiality occurred among your closest relatives.
5.) Who the hell is translating your gorilla grunting into (partially) understandable human expressions?
Anyhow, I wish you all the best and hope that we settled our diffences now and that our friendship may grow. As far as I am concerned, let´s not talk about it anymore. Whatever you want to answer, leave it, since I can´t be bothered with it. I will not answer anymore.
Best wishes,
Your friend +homa§ (a little tribute to your cute copied §teffy sign)
yea that was off topic. i dont no where the hell you came up with that story. sounds like you belong in a authors forum instead. whatever i can go on and respond to all that bullshit you just posted but id be wasting more time with senseless garbage. i told you in our last argument that id end this shit but you still had to come into this thread and make a fagget responce. ill save my words for something else. if you want me to respond with what i was originally planning on saying ( which will probably get me kicked out of this forum ) then respond with another stupid ass remark. im done..
and off this argument, i wasnt trying to copy anything. i relized something that worked alot better then any other recall technique so i posted it. i wasnt trying to take rights for it, i was only trying to help, but you still had to say something. and i dont no what your problem is with my signature, and also for the next time we argue my name isnt steffy its mike so you can address me by that..
Steff: Consider the source, and don't grace mistertom with another response. Uhhhh... and don't rip out his heart, please.
Tom: I believe Steff has had a lucid dream. Therefore your entire premise is flawed.
You have three choices:
1.) Revel in some neurotic desire to control people, ignoring the fact that you are wrong. (Only if you are neurotic, or a jerk)
2.) Drop it. (My choice)
3.) Come up with a whole new premise (one that no doubt includes calling me names as well), thereby wasting everyone's time and polluting the forum with nonsensical, counterproductive pap, since name-calling and the like is obviously something you enjoy. (I hope you choose to prove me wrong by not choosing this option.
Anyway, I'm pretty far from being a newbie to Lucid Dreaming since I do it almost every night, but I had never studied MILD in any detail. What I had read about it wasn't (in my mind) related to Steff's original post. That's not to say it isn't based on the same premise, but I just didn't make the connection. So for me, this was a very helpful post, and I don't understand the need of some people to constantly point out the fact that others are not as intellectual as they.
I mean, so FREAKING WHAT if someone's post has already been discovered by someone else, so long as they aren't claiming to be some sort of expert. Is it REALLY NECESSARY to revile someone for not having read the SAME FREAKING BOOK YOU READ? Why not let us newbies ( ) have some fun in discovering things for OUR FREAKING SELVES!?!?!
Self-discovery is fine, and it's actually kind of nice when I realize one of my 'discoveries' was already discovered by someone else. It VALIDATES my thought process, methods, and overall skill level. What's more, (and I know this won't be popular) it also helps me feel BETTER ABOUT MYSELF. I know we're all supposed to feel like freaking CRAP for THINKING FOR OURSELVES, and we should all just be spoonfed the thoughts of others, but I DON'T BUY THAT.
If someone posts something that is total fantasy then MAYBE someone else has the right to judge or 'instruct' the original poster.
But when someone makes a valid point, or posts something helpful (and this is a question to which I would REALLY LIKE AN ANSWER) regardless of where the information came from, so long as that person isn't claiming to be some kind of expert, then what gives ANYONE the right to give that person crap?
davion i agree with you more then 100%. i think you are very wise and smart and everything you post is very meaningful. im done with arguing with whoever and thanks for backing me up on it. and your thoughts about sharing information and learning things on your own. youve been very helpful with everything ( specially the herbs ). thanks again..
tom: im done with you. if you wanna hold back you stupid comments then maybe we can end this once and for all...
First of all, I agree there is no point in personal attacks or derision. Also that doing your own exploration can lead to a new and better understanding. However, that self-discovery can be made a lot more useful if you have a strong foundation of the basics.
Maybe you are being kind but I find it hard to believe Davion, that as an experienced LDer you had not heard of going over your dreams at sleep time. But maybe it came so naturally you didn't have to learn the basics, I don't know.
I would never want to attack your enthusiasm or drive Steff. I just think that if you go through those websites I posted you will have much of the basics and be able to do some more refined exploration.
basics...i know all the basics there is. ive read more sites about ld's and stuff like that then my computer can hold. when i first started lucid dreaming i got so hooked that i went online and researched about every single topic. the technique i was talking about is just reviewing your dreams before going to sleep like i have read. its basically re-living them in your head as you fall asleep. i found that to work a lot better. i appreciate (spelling) your responce.
I think that my head is semi-permanently in the clouds whereas your feet are firmly ANCHORED to the ground.
If sometimes you'd come up to the clouds to visit with me, and sometimes I'd come down to the ground to visit you, we'd probably both be a lot better off.
I do drift up to the clouds occasionally but perhaps I should do it more often. I'm sorrounded by cloud-perspective in RL so I guess I tend to resist it (just my nature ).
Well I guess this is my last post on this forum. Long live the new forum!
when I responded to Steff´s post first(amittedtly in a very brief way)I just wanted to point out that the technique that he proudly introduced as an - oh so new - technique was known for years (as many other posts stated as well). Since I knew him from chats before I was aware of the fact that he doesn´t pick up thing very easily but claimes to be very experienced.
(Since he made a fool out of himself by asking the same questions 10 x times to different people in a row he doesn´t attend the chat anymore.)
Therefore I thought, he wanted to make himself interesting by claiming to have found another brilliant new technique. Nowadays I feel embarrased, because I recognise that he didn´t do it deliberately, but just wasn´t capable of understanding what he read before. If you remember he claimed before to have read all available literature on lucid dreams. I should have considered, how unexperienced he was and that he thought ths slightest ld yould make him an omniscient
master of the ld. Maybe I should give him some time before taking his posts seriously.
You are perfectly right that everybody learns from someone else; that´s btw the way I learned my ld as well (among other things from this briliant website). But I never claimed to have introduced a new technique if I knew that it was posted by someone else. In my posts (regarding hypnosis scripts etc.) I always referred to previous posts or original websites.
My first post was harmless. Steff´s resonse (ripping my heart etc.) was cruel, stupid and senseless. It was my fault to respond to this message and crank up the spiral of stupidness, but after all you can´t blame me alone for having posted stupid posts (remember Steff: "I meet you on the street; you fuck you mother in your ld" etc.)
So please read the posts carefully when referring to them. He started the stupidity, nastiness and cruelty in this threat.
Tom
P.S §TEFF: I just found it quite funny that since you saw 5aints´s posts you had to include a funny character in your signature as well. That alone shows how original your thougths are, right?
Aah... It's so heartening to see that lucid dreaming is providing such an effective means of spiritual development for everyone. At the risk of sounding facetious, may I suggest spending some time in meditation on loving-kindness?
Additionally, this is a good opportunity to express something I've had on my mind for some time. I know there are a lot of non-native English speakers/writers on this forum, and this moan does not apply to them in any way. What I want to say is that the standard of writing among some posters is so poor as to be barely comprehensible. It's not all down to how much education someone has had, or how many books they've read - a lot of it is down to pure laziness and horrible adolescent slang. The point is not that people write in different styles to each other - I think that is a really good thing - but that language becomes meaningless and simplified when it is just a string of trendy buzz-words. If you want to write in a very informal style, then try and develop it as a style, not as lazy "email-ish" that is written as quickly and incoherently as possible.
you know i tried ending this but you just keep going on...you must think your mastered lucid dreamind or something..cuz the only thing you can say about which is that im inexperienced which is no where near true. and yes i know what technique your talking about that i supposivly copied, but i found what i was doing to be a little different and work better. as for the chatroom, i repeated myself alot because i wasnt getting straight answers and wanted to make sure certain things were right before trying them at night and wasting my time. i no longer goto the chat because of assholes like you. and for the character infront of my signature had nothing to do with 5aints. i guess i can see where your coming from but your totally wrong. if i signed as 5teff then you could make fun of me all you want.
just to end this...id pay money for your home address so i could follow through with my "cruel and senceless" threats, that must of broke your heart.
valadin: no thats not the reason. i just stopped going for no reason. i stop by every once in a while. seems like no one is ever there though..
tom: deal, its over. leave it that way.. btw send me a message on the new forum with my address in it. maybe you could stop by for a drink some time..haha
