I posted a dream on the forum a couple of weeks ago now, and alot of it is related to the above title, as i have corresponded with shelsall, but i had the same kind of dream over weekend, i dreamt that i was at the hospital with my hubby seeing a doctor about the sterilisation which i am at the moment waiting for an appt, anyway, the doc examined me, and said we can't do the op as you are pregnant, we will have to wait until you have you little girl, and then we can sterilse you, and i actually dreamt that i was watching myself from the corner of the room giving birth!! and hubby was really happy, and it was a girl!! i told hubby about my dream, and he seemed freaked out! as in reality, i know i should stop taking the pill before the op, as i know you can get blood clots etc, so now i'm wondering if this dream is telling me something, 'specially since i have had the same sort of dream twice in the space of a couple of weeks, what do you think?? thanks, Jane.

When I read your answer on my 'I handed my child to god' about being sterilised and your dream I thought I wandered if you would find you are pregnant and didnt know it, read what I posted about my friend on the other 'handed child to god'. I wander if you are gonna have a baby accidently, this baby is waiting to be born, is meant to be. I had a wierd dream about a year ago and have had it twice. Here goes. I walked towards a door and I saw a man standing there, he looked just like my Mark but it wasnt him, he had a white glow around him, as I walked up to him feeling really happy, i said i know who you are, your Marks brother, Andrew, (who ive never met) and we got on so well, I actually think it could have been the baby his mum miscarried before Mark. Anyway, we were chatting and I knew wed get on really well and I liked him. Andrew then said, Id better go now, Marks here and you know how possessive he is about you, Mark then came and put his arm around my shoulder, he couldnt see Andrew, he kind of faded. Then we walked into a pub room and all my family were there standing in a circle, my mum was in the middle holding a baby girl and she really loved it, this baby was being christened and I knew it mine and Marks baby girl. His mum and dad walked in and were very bewildered by everything. Twice ive had that, and then recently as you know, My aunt told me I would be having a baby girl in the future. I live in hope!!!!! I hope this helps you with your dreams, love michelle xx

Maybe you are meant to have another child, but if you are waiting for sterilisation appt, then surely you have made a decision not to have any more? I dont know if I was meant to read this or what.. and I hope you dont mind me saying... please please seriously consider this operation. I had one two years ago, and would go back to pre op without a blink. They dont tell you everything about the possible after effects. For me, I put on weight, which I cannot shift.. havent been this weight since pregnancy (have spoken to other people who have had the same problem) and hormones up in the air, mood swings, irregular periods, PMT for 3 weeks of the month!! I dont want to scare you, It could be that I was just unlucky. I would go back to taking the pill anyday. The reason for my sterilisation was that my childrens father had had a vasectomy whilst we were still together. When we separated we agreed that it wouldnt be fair on our kids to have children with anyone else. he met someone and so did I, I had the op, because it was part of our 'deal' and I thought of the health implications of taking the pill for a long period of time and didnt fancy the alternatives. Its so easy to have the op, but not so easy for a reversal.. GP's not keen on doing it and moan about the cost.... and it COSTS to go private.
Really really have a good think about it before you jump x Sorry for being a grouch!

HIYA Erica,
thanks for your feedback, i don't think you are being a grouch, you are just telling me how it is, which i appreciate!! like you say, some doctor's don't always tell you the "bad" side of things, I am lucky in the way that i don't know when i've started my monthlys, as i never get pmt, or stomach ache, i have always been lucky that way, but i could do with putting weight ON! i weigh 7st 8lb, which i know for my height is way below my ideal weight, i am 5ft 8! i still haven't heard from the hospital so i will wait and see, if nothing comes by the middle of March, then i will just carry on taking the pill, which i know i will have to remember every night without fail!! Anyway, take care, speak to you and michelle soon, Jane, xx

Hi Erika and Jane, Erika, you are not a grouch at all, you are just saying it as it is and thats ok, its like listening to different opinions is like going down different alleyways until you come to a decision. As for me, I get PMT and I hate it!!! My kids just laugh at me, as does everybody else cos i'm usually such a placid person! And Jane, whatevers meant to be, is meant to be, not much help I know, but just listen to your dreams, mayber they are telling you things and you should take notice. Spirits come to us all in so many different ways, whether thru dream state or for real. Which reminds me I have a spirit in my house who keeps sitting next to me. I can only feel it, its cold but friendly. I always say hello to it, i'm just waiting for it to show itself to me! Take care love michelle xx

Jane....It sounds as though you will be OK, with your height and weight, and if your periods are that dodgy, it may regulate you... who knows?? Good luck, whatever you decide x

Shell.... oohh that presence!!! Do you want to see it? I have never seen, just felt. What would you do if you see it?

You girls have helped me y'know. Ive been researching side effects to the op. Ive found something that matches my symptoms... and no, it doesnt necessarily always happen to women who have the op. Its called Post Tubal Ligation Sydrome.
Theres a whole web page of women across the world posting messages (Have to pay to join the chat though!) But I have draughted a letter to my GP (he doesnt seem to listen face to face) And I hope he will nake note! For about 5 of the symptoms, I have been to the doctors about, so it is all logged on my records.. surely he has to take notice??? I have provided him with the web site, so hopefully he will look and help me and not fob me off again x x x
Cheers girls And dont worry Jane, it probably wont happen to you x x x

i know it is not a simple in UK but just go to a differnt doctor, and dont be afraid to tell them waht you want. I may not be a doctor, but I konw my own body, I also know I am allergic to penicillin, whihc has been prescribed several times by physcians too f'in lazy to read the chart!! I just hand it back to them and politely ask if they are tryin to kill me....I know have a doc who listens, and gives me what I ask for, whihc isnt much, I do the researhc myself etc.

When I was 17 it was all over the Sun that a particular brand of pill was causing cancer, I took that pill bck to the Doc, who said "oh Dear, ok, which one do you want then? " forefront of medicine, my arse.....

I think if I actually saw the presence of my ghost, I would scream and run a mile! Actually, I wouldnt, things like that dont bother me anymore, ir doesnt frighten me now, it used too. But because I would like to train to be a medium (when I have time!) I wouldnt mind seeing them. I do occasionally, but I never get the time to actually practice. Although sometimes i;m able to tell people things about themselves or if spirits are around them, but i'm slowly but surely learning. Also Erika, glad that we can all be of some help to you, hope we chat again soon. love shell xx