EDITH HALL IS A Thief SHE HAS NEVER PAID FOR THIS SITE
You are free to be anonymous in here - ip addresses are not shown
YOU PEOPLE NEED SERIOUS HELP!!! I'M TALKING ABOUT PSYCHIATRIC!!!
by Brown Sugar
I AM JUST APPALLED BY THE CONTEXT OF THIS SITE AND THE PEOPLE THAT CONDONE IT. SOME PSYCHOTIC JACKASS GOT CONNED BY ONE PERSON AND HE'S TAKING HIS MISFORTUNE OUT ON THE ENTIRE COUNTRY BY DOWNGRADING IT, AND TO MAKE MATTERS WORST, PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY SUPPORTING HIM. SURE PERFECT ROADS, AND PERFECT PEOPLE AND PERFECT TAXI DRIVERS AND PERFECT HOTELS/RESTUARANTS CAN EXIST BUT ONLY IN A PERFECT WORLD, AND THIS IS NOT A PERFECT WORLD SO EVERYTHING WON'T BE PERFECT. THE TURKS & CAICOS ISLANDS IS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY IN EARLY STAGES OF ITS DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES THAT STILL HAVE FAULTS. NOT BECAUSE YOU HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE WITH A NATIVE OR ANYTHING ELSE MEANS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WILL HAVE THOSE SAME EXPERIENCES. SO COME ON PEOPLE LEAVE THAT BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY AND LET IT BE. LET OTHER PEOPLE MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS ABOUT GOING THERE AND TAKE YOUR MISERABLENESS SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THIS PERFECT WORLD WHERE YOU'LL FIND PERFECT PEOPLE AND PERFECT SERVICE AND THEN COME BACK AND TELL OF YOUR PERFECT VACATION. HUH, I GUESS NONE OF YOU WILL BE COMING BACK.
That sort of message can only come from a nigger from T.C.I. You know fucking well what people are like. How can your country be a 3rd world country when they are chargeing 1st world prices for things.
You people are always full of bull shit just like the Cayman Islands and the fucking Bahamas.
All you niggers need to get help. you are all far removed from life in the real world.
You fucking idiot.
I live on provo for more than 15 years now you nigger. I always know how to deal with shit like you why not come and sort it out one night.
For your information nigger My name is Adrian Langtain and I live right at the bottom of the long bay hills road. I am a french canadian.
You may know me as I am bared out of most places. You bring your nigger friends round to my house and your get whats comming to you. I am waiting!!!!!!!!!
I pray for the violence to come to me from you lot becouse I will take you lot on anytime.
I have had enouth of you lot over the years. Come one let get it on!!!
it has to be a stupid flat , raw ass white bitch that said that man you whit people are the dumbest most stupid thing that god has ever created i cannot believe how man of you are invading this country like fleas man pleas go find your pet george bush and leave us niggas to live in peace and tranquility you white cunt come here only to pollute our air with your ciggarettes and underarm oder oh and one more thing not taking daily showers in a tropical climat is not good hygeine think about that your fishy asses
two long time residents of grand turk ... now somewhere else ... Derek Hawkins of the UK and H.R. Russell of the US.. are two persons i'd like to find as i valued them as friends... any help in this deparmentment would be appreciated
What a stupid woman Edith is to try and steal this site. It looks like she thought that she could do it herself and take all the money and fame. I wonder when that new car of hers is going to be repo? Enjoy your International fame Edith. Islanders should be proud of you for what you have accomplished. This web site could have been the best thing going for the island with such a talented webmaster you obviously used.
Good work on this site, even though I just think you got burned there. Shit happens. There is good and bad in all of us. Its unfortunate you got burned, but this is life you know. Good design though.
Turks & Caicos Free Press is probably used for toilet paper there...
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William, you and other islander friends should realize that your newspaper never prints the facts - just what they want you to read and how they want you to think and when they want you to think. I followed the article further and went to the English newspaper and Robert Burr is full of s_ _ t. Nothing there about trouble in paridise. Also this Rose Hall in the article I believe is really Edith Rose Hall herself? The one who stole this site. You have to ask - does this make any sense going to the newspaper?. The only thing that makes sense to me is that they wish the webmaster would just go away and not stand up for his rights. They are correct the tourists and investors do and will read about what happens there from the objective people who do write in and say what really happened to them there. The bottom line is why don't you just pay the man for his work and get on with it. There is a real story here and Robert Burr is not about to talk - he is trying to cover his ass, save some money and sweep the shit piles under his rug. Also know as the Island style - if I go back to sleep maybe the webmaster will just go away! The webmaster is a respected young man who is welcomed to visit or work in and out of any country. This is a very serious comment to make in a newspaper when it is an outright lie Mr. Burr. I might also add here the disgraceful news story about the also respected Bank of NS lady Manager who was arrested as an overstayer and what a fabricated story this newspaper wrote about her. There is also more to this story the newspaper failed to mention. Like where did the $25,000 US money go when it was dropped in the SD box around a year ago and a half ago? I think investors and inquiry minds would want to know more.
Thanks for pointing out my naivete. No, I don't believe all I read in the paper. The problem is whether to believe authored articles or anonymous ramblings. Your response to my posting is one of the few intelligent responses on this site. However, you still chose to be anon. Admittedly, only island insiders know what is going on for sure. Much of this web site discussion is over my head and seems to involve a legitimate complaint but it looses it's message when combined with other inflammatory,unrelated,generalised eviseration of the whole T&C community. My posting deals with what I've seen and witnessed on the island during my stays. Only when there are hundreds of postings on this subject will one get a true picture of the broad range of experiences by many visitors or belongers. Unsigned statements are nearly worthless and should not be considered truthful.
during the coarse of the turksncaicos craplands site, there have seen quite a number of tci islanders threatening the posters of thier well being. to maintain safety from these people that are posting what they saw and experienced, using an anonymous name is best... this is also followed through with using incomplete dns numbers of the posts on the craplands site and not posting the dns at all on this message board. the people using anonymous dns are people who have experienced this threatening abuse from tci.
fyi, the anonymous people on this board total about 10 different ip addresses so far meaning, there are about 10 different people posting information.
we are here to tell people about what the tci islands are about and protect other people from making the same mistake we did by working/visiting.
your ip address is - 209.143.43.60
you use http://www.bright.net/ as a dial up isp
you live in ohio
we can put on more detailed information about you including your home telephone number, but i think you get the idea that anonymous is still not anonymous in on the internet, however, it is safe enough for the average person to use this.
being anonymous is for safety purposes of the posters... people have requested this due to the fact of receiving threatening letters and phone calls from abusive people
come to think about it, you didn't even give a proper return email address... this makes you anonymous as well.
I go by Brent but my postings have been as William Pettigrew also. Nothing to hide. I live in Ohio and my email is available as <bryanvet@bright.net> Write anytime. I'll answer if I have time.
Brent must be an islander trying to stop this page
by Anonymous
I happen to believe what is on this page. I went there and returned within a couple of months. Lies, lies and more lies. That company I worked for was going to go no where. My security deposit was not returned. Bills were paid in full and the place was left clean and in good state. My so called island friends were totally unrelable. When I first went there and looked at property to rent I was taken back by filth and damaged (trashed) rentals that I saw. I thought that it would take too much to clean up that mess and continued to look and found one mostly finished. I now know why - they knew that there was no way in hell that they would every see their security deposits. That's what they get. The Islands deserves this. They think that they can use you and that there are ten more comming to take your place. Well news travels - so Turks & Caicos enjoy! You can't kick me off the Island now. This is an Island joke for those who just happened to pick this island for their vacation. The beaches are great BUT all of the Carribbean have great beaches. For that matter so does Florida and Virginia.
I believe in freedom of the press. This page has served a purpose as even I will watch closely while on the island. However, all I'm saying is I've yet to have a bad experience on the island. I've stayed in Turtle Bay and in private homes. I've been to the dump, I've picked hitch hikers, I've been most everywhere to shop and eat and My wife, friends and I have never had a problem. I live in Ohio. If you've had a problem then that's too bad. People have problems everywhere they go whether it's the US, Canada or Caribbean. Florida and Va have beaches but none have the cool coral beach of this and some other isands of the Caribbean. No where in the US is there the accessibility to snorkle as in T&C let alone the oil spills and crime in those ares. Now that there are oposing positions mentioned on this site people can have a well rounded view of life on the island.
Has what? Great snorkling? Great coral sand beach?
There's many nice beaches in the US; Rehoboth, Kiawah, Hilton Head, Amelia Island have nice beaches also but none have what T&C has.
Fuck you if you hate TCI. If you don't like it get the fuck back to South Caicos you rock heads. Or better yet go back to your own fucking country or the U.S. You can have the U.S. and all that high tax bullshit and no health care for the poor. Fuck that. If you are like me and love the water and like to jetski, dive, fish, swim, snorkel, wakeboard, waterski, go boating, etc, then TCI is the place to be. If you bitch about TCI you must be a whiny American spoiled bitch. I am American and I live in Key West, but TCI ownz and don't fucking rag it, just MOVE THE FUCK OUT. Stupid people have one or two bad experiences there and judge it. NEWS FLASH FOR YOU: THERE ARE FUCKING THIEVES AND CORRUPTION AND SCANDAL AND LIES EVERYWHERE!!!! LOOK AROUND YOU. No one lives in a box. There is problems everywhere. TCI problems are petty little things you spoiled punks. Get over it. You think life in TCI is bad, why don't you fucking move to Brooklyn or Miami or some shit then so you can see what bad really is. Till then: SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Sample of Turk's smiling Faces - Get off the Island Song
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This is what they really think of the tourists and people who go there to work. If you don't like it - Get off the Island! If you speak up - Get of the Island. Do you think we should just make it simple and send them the tourist money instead of going there?
This is why this site is so important.
When you live there the rule is Shut the ... up or Get off the Island. No one speaks up there because they all know the song and it goes like this ...Get off the F_ ing Island.
I'm not an American, but I live here(in the interim) and the way Americans are so blindly patriotic these days, if you say one thing that you do not like about America or Americans they say if you don't like it leave.
As a Turks and Caicos Islander I agree with my countrymen in saying if you don't like it leave. What the hell did you expect. Nowhere and no one is perfect including you.
Trust me I have no intension of staying here in the US and you should understand why since you obviously didn't like it here because you tried to go and live in my islands.
SO IF THEY WERE NOT ALL THAT YOU WERE EXPECTING LEAVE!
MAY BE YOUR PROBLEM WAS THAT YOU WERE NOT TRYING TO SPEAK OUT BUT RATHER TAKE OVER. WELL TOUGH! WE TURKS ISLANDERS ARE A VERY PROUD PEOPLE AND WE TAKE OFFENSE TO ANYONE JUST TRYING RULE. FOREIGNERS, WELL SOME OF YOU, ALTHOUGH OUR BREAD AND BUTTER REALLY THINK WE ARE ALL STUPID ISLAND PEOPLE WHO NEED TO BE TOUGHT HOW TO LIVE, ACT, SPEAK AND THINK. WELL WE ARE NOT. I AM COLLEGE EDUCATED AS ARE MANY OF MY FRIENDS AND RELATIVES. SO SORRY IF WE DID NOT MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS BUT TO USE ONE OF OUR LOCAL SAYINGS "You name COME here, I name BORN here"
SO I SAY AGAIN, IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT LEAVE AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD STOP BADMOUTHING MY COUNTRY JUST BECAUSE "YOU" HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE.
A group of friends went to TCI in January to celebrate a monumental birthday. We stayed at the Comfort Suites, rented a van, visited the entire island, explored beaches, swam, ate at a different resturant every night. We met a lot of great people. Went to Lattitudes, felt right at home. Made some friends. I have told many people to visit there because it is such a unique place. I will be returning soon. It beats the commercialism of Caymans and St. Martaan. I am shocked by some of the bad press, Life is what you make it, and so is the island.
A few negative people can really spoil a good thing. It's time the positive people speak out and over rule these negative people. The Turks and Caicos Islands are great, the people are lovely and the other islands here are nice to visit too. Yes, there are a few bad people, but anywhere in the world has that, why should TCI be any different.
I think that you need to read a little more about what happens in the Turks. If you are like most tourists alcohol dulls a lot of your senses including what is really happenning around you. Most people who have written here have stayed more than a week and got more of a clue of reality than you have. No one said that it was not a beautiful place of sand and sun. What they are saying is that if you go there and work you will be taken advantage of. Low pay, poor condition, broken promises and lost of money with lots of agravation. It is true that a lot of people will not go to the Turks again. They were tourist who expected more for their money. Some people just have more money than brains. In that case a bad holiday does not matter to them. If they lose their savings going there to work - it does not matter to them. People should speak up. Interesting fact is that MOST peole who have a good time will say so. Those who were taken advantage of USUALLY DO NOT say anything and let it happen to others. So Fran I would say that this page speaks for itself. Don't go to the Turks for a vaction or to work. Reputation are earned justly in this case. I speak with plenty of experience. When I travel I know my surroundings and what is happenning all around me. Keep up the good work web master. I know the Island way is to think you will just go away and more Frans will come in their place.
We are the people who went for the week had a fantastic time....we all saved for the special vacation, six very unique different people. We all do special events for a living, know not to expect much from anyone else, just rely on ourselves to have a great time. Maybe you should stay at with the more commercial islands, where people wait on you, and you can pretend you are back at home, with all those luxuries that have ruined our country. people are only as nice to you as you are to them...it speaks for itself.
You can not go wrong with that one. That is the only way to attempt to survive living in the Turks. Holidays are one thing. Living there is another and that you should not confuse with a holiday. Lots of things happen there that you really do not what to know about. Also from what you say you do not care to know about. You are just on a holiday. You obvisouly stay to yourself and close friends/family and that is fine. Once you cross that line that is where your problems will begin. Fancy restaurants etc. to not particularily impress me as being the only way to have fun. I am a country person so self sufficiency and isolation is not a problem with me. I am living in a very large American city now and I do not find that the country has been spolied as you mentioned. You see I know what to expect here. One person said something very interesting to me. He said that he loved Detroit. The reason was he knew exactly what to expect from Detroit. Crime and to be careful of what and where he goes. When people go to the Turks they expect something hnourable in them. The fact of the matter is it does not exist there. So you are correct to expect nothing and of course there you will get nothing. I am a social person and I have travelled and lived with my family on many Islands. A one week trip with friends does not cut it on how to survive immigration and the likes of people who do not want you there EXCEPT for a holiday to leave them your money. As they say people like ... bring all their crime? I do not agree with that one either. Also being nice to you is one thing and taking advantage of you is another. Glad you had a nice time.
You have some very vaild points. We were together on our trip, however each one of us met someone there who we became friends with and they in turn joined us. I noticed quite a few problems with the island, I am a housing inspector, so naturally i was curious about the housing stock, such a vaste difference just like any other place in any other town. I was saddened to see such conditions, but speaking with many of the island people, they lived their existance. I too have lived in many places, some not so nice, Mexico was hell for me, while others find it a great place. It is all in what you are about at the time of your life. I celebrated my 50th there and I am going back for 51. I know what to expect. Thanks for sharing.
I find that these words are not interchangable. Friends are time tested and known a lot longer and are much more perdictable in nature. Aquaintances are just that - people you have just met. What happens after that is where the difference lies. People say that they have lots of friends when in fact they have aquaintances and no one is there when they need someone. We are in the same line of work and view many of the same things when we travel. I enjoyed Mexico very much for the native ruins and the incredible service I was given where I stayed. Good dollar value. I found that the absolute best place to visit and live is the British Virgin Islands (Tortola). BVI offers you the best of both worlds.
The only thing I did enjoy in Provo was the private beaches and the stars at night (the simple things) but we have no desire to go back there. The Turks will not prosper because of their destructive ways. No place is an Island all to their own and will be accountable. I think that I speak for a lot of people who went there and stayed a little too long. I am glad that we seem to come to some middle ground when we compare apples with apples. This page does serve a purpose.
A few negative people can really spoil a good thing. It's time the positive people speak out and over rule these negative people. The Turks and Caicos Islands are great, the people are lovely and the other islands here are nice to visit too. Yes, there are a few bad people, but anywhere in the world has that, why should TCI be any different.
I just discovered this discussion board and I'm amazed at all the hateful comments. Now, dont bite my head off - but I have to know. Can anyone say anything good about Turks and Caicos. I've been to Provo twice and had a great time. I've traveled all over Mexico and the Caribbean and still Provo is one of my favorites. It's been 3 years since my last vacation there and we're planning on going this year. did a lot happen in the past 3 years? we loved renting scooters and exploring all the isolated beaches. snorkeling at White House Beach and just relaxing on our own private beach. just know before you go not to expect much for nightlife or entertainment. we had a great time with Allen Ray (Sand Dollar Cruises) I've heard that Provo is growing at such a rapid pace that the people who live there are worried their island is going to be ruined by all the tourists. maybe this web page was created to drive tourists away - so you can keep it to yourself??
Most of the people who write here are not Islanders. They are people who went there to work,like you and I and found out what really goes on in Provo and from what I gather other places such as Cayman. You find out that it is not much fun being there for any long period of time. When you are on vacation - all you do is eat and drink. You don't know what is happenning all around you. When you live there you get to see the corruption and then you know what they really think of you. YOU HEAR WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT THE TOURIST BEHIND THEIR BACKS. You know what happens if they complain. Do I have to say anymore? Is that the place to spend your money? Do you think that it would be better if they just shut up and just continue to be treated badly. These people were in most cases begged to come and work there to help the Island progress. They were told a bunch of lies and lost money trying to get established there. Security deposits do not get returned. Living is very high and the wages low for what you have to contend with. I would rather spend my money anywhere else and let the Islanders sink in the mess that they have created. The next time you go there take a good hard look around you and watch the body language of the people. They think you are the dirt of the earth and bring the garbage and the heavy crime to the Island. I personally will not take that credit. Just sign me NO LONGER A WHITE SLAVE. Why don't you just send them your money that is all they want from you!
I personally dissagree with your statements about us,
and truily I believe you have very low self esteem about your self. If you dont like us stay away, certainly there are many who do. Turks and Caicos has
many friendly and respectable natives,who dont need your hand outs because as a black nation who thrusts
in God we always be bless.
Hey! There is more than one island in this country, you know
by I wish to remain Anonymous
Islands - being a plural, means that there is more than one island in the country. Being that ALL of you have been to Provo (and Provo ALONE), it isn't fair to cast judgement on the whole country, is it? Of course, every place has it's problems - one would be more likely to run into problems on Provo because it is by far the most densly populated and the most frequented by tourists. Guess what - you'll find problems anywhere you go!
So, call this place Provo craplands if you will. The truth is, those who live on other islands in the country tend not to think too highly of Provo either.
Also, I find it incredible that all of you have found the time to whine and bitch and moan on this website in the way that you have. We have all had bad vacations. What is more unfortunate is that some of the people here seem to not be adult enough to cut their losses and move on.
We know the islands are more than 1. I have been to about 10 other islands in TCI and it is even worse on the others. They don't even have pavement. Middle Caicos is WORSE on the mosquitos.
Cut our loses and move on huh? Why should a country lure people into going to vacation when they are prolly going to get disappointed or robbed. Our loses are snuffed, but this board is mainly to tell expereinces, if one has a good time on the island, would the same response come from your face on that? Those are warnings to people so if they do go so that they are on guard from the bullshit.
This is the way they choose to live their lives. Not everyone needs paved roads you know. Mosquitos happen - Even in the U.S. Unlike the U.S though, the Turks and Caicos Government doesn't go around filling their waters with low level caricinigens and other chemicals that destroy and pollute the environment. Wear mosquito repellant. Besides, given the incredibly low amount of rainfall, mosquitos are rarely a problem.
I agree that the Turks and Caicos Islands and Government have their fair share or problems, as does every single other nation in the world. You don't think that the American Government is corrupted? Unpaved roads are hardly the issue. Which other ten islands did you go to anyway? Only 7 are inhabited. I mean, you didn't expect to find paved roads on an uninhabited island, did you?
I personally do not think that Provo or for that matter any vacation destination should profit from others dishonestly. If they can not delivery a fair holiday for the dollar then most of us will just go elsewhere. The roads are not the big problem. Corruption is. Stealing is. Also for those people who went there with a dream the Immigration and the labor board is probably the biggest problem. No enforceable laws. Too many are related to each other.
That is an interesting point about them all being related to each other... I was assaulted by an islander who was let off the hook because he was related to the officer who arrested him. The system really is corrupted.
Did you hear about the Politician in South Africa who took all the property of the white people without compensation and gave it to the blacks?? Can you imagine what the T&C government will do if he gets away with it?? Scary thought.
My wife and have visited Provo 7 times over the last 5 years. Once we stayed at Turtle Cove and the other times we stayed at private homes. We have never had anything but the best of experiences. We now own a vacation/rental home in Long Bay. There is petty theft everywhere on ALL vacation islands. The only theft we experienced on T&C was to have our Satellite dish stolen. I've vacationed on the Bahamas, St. Thomas, the Florida Keys, St. Lucia, St. Martin, St Barts, Cancun and Anguila. On none of these areas have we felt more safe than on T&C. As I read all these postings I am skeptical of any anonymous posting. Most of these are directed at one person by one person. The person's complaint sounds legitimate but there's always two sides to a problem. I find it repugnant to cast such dispersions on a whole island population because of unsubstantiated accusations. We have golfed, gambled, shopped, toured by car, snorkled, fished, taken tour trips, toured the Conch farm, and ate at nearly all the restaurants. The Tiki Huts were left as derelicts by a French game show. I don't believe it's the T&C government's job to maintain these grass huts. Traveling on Malcolm road to the huts has never been recommended by anyone on the island. It is hard to believe so many people could have had such a bad time on T&C. However, with all the visitors to T&C I'm sure there will be those who do not know the type of island they are traveling to and are dissapointed T&C isn't as built up as the Caymens. All the islands are expensive, why should you expect different from T&C? The only time we've witnessed bad behavior has been from the tourists. We've NEVER been treated badly by a native. We will go back regularly and soon. Brent Pettigrew
A few years ago my husband and I were held hostage by two thugs from that Island . We will never go back there again. It was something that we will never forget. So much for that Island. I'll stay at home thank you. never again never again will I trust any place again. Becareful of where you go at all times.
We have begun to think about property ownership in TCI. I have been researching the internet and came across this complaint site. Read your comment about good experiences and that you own a property there. I do realize that your message dates back to 2000.
Can you tell me anything pro or con about owning property there??
Thanks, Peg
Turks and Caicos Islands was my worst vacation EVER!
by Anonymous
The islands were extremely dry, nothing planned was on time, charters were literally hours late, air conditioning was broken, food was served cold, dust was on everything, natives were rude, nobody seemed to speak english and the conch farm was nothing more than water fenced off. Even the store owners were rude (ie Bamboo Gallery, ClubMed... etc)
What a pathetic island, you can keep TCI to yourself. I sure as hell am not going again!
Remeber this guy because there are a lot more of them. When I first went there - there was an Islander at the airport asking where I was staying on the Island. They were robbing the tourist rooms. The tourists were tricked thinking that they were just some smiling Islanders. They smile when they think they have your money.
I am from a country where tourism is an important part of the national economy. Your attitude toward this visitor really sucks. Remember that it is the income from tourist arrivals that builds your country. I would have hoped that you would want to improve your visitor's experience....but why am I saying this to you? I doubt you would even understand the first thing about hospitality. I spent time in your country, and your attitude is typical of your fellow countrymen.
Just suppose we tourists all took your advice......
For some reason the Government holds the same (go away and leave us alone additude) I am convinced TCI is a dead and dying land with no tourism and no development. And the people want it that way.
Makes no sense so dry up, live in filth and pat yourselves on the back that you are driving away your future.
I found that my trip to Provo changed my life. Never before have i seen a place so beautiful and rich in culture. I think what your problem is, is the fact that you are afraid to accept and immerse yourself in a different culture. The island is not your territory and it does not cater to your needs. The "rude' locals were, I'm sure, responding to your lack of respect and bad attitude towards them. don't think that anyone was insulted by your declaration to never return to the islands; people like yourself are not welcome there anyway.
No one said that the beaches and the sky there are not beautiful. But rich in culture it is not. If you were to live there you would see a different side to those smiling faces. It is not what it appears. Corruption is big time there. So continue to close your eyes and don't make a difference. It is everything for your buck there. To you everything is wonderful. You probablly spent your time there smoking up. So what would you know about what goes on there on a one week vacation? Go back under your covers. There are lots of young people living there who are very unhappy with the jobs that were to be so wonderful. They are not getting paid for their hard work. They are living in buildings operated by slum landlords who promise everything just to get easy money for nothing. Buying expensive food that is stale dated. Yes there are lots of bugs in that morning cereal - if you took the time to look. Government hides the truth from its own people. Fires, desperate people landing on the shores at night. No - this people are not on a cruise. So wake up this is not about rude people (tourists) going to visit the island time forgot. The point is people should not go there to work - period. On the other hand why should parents spend their vacation money where their children were abused. The sadest thing that I saw was the loss of a diver that no one bothered to look for. Why - because he was not a native. I remain.
Stolen Revo Glasses - Fitness Owner should make good!
by Anonymous
To the owner of the Fitness center beside Aribus Inn
I noticed that you are advertising your business and fitness lessons on the internet fitness@tciway.tc. Well, I too am advertising that you were the one who had stolen my gold Revo glasses one year ago from the Aribus Inn swimming pool. Remeber, I was the one who you saw wearing them and I forgot to take them with me when I left the pool area. You saw me with them on. You picked them up and never told the Inn office when you knew who they belonged to. You admited that you had them when I asked you.
You took them home for save keeping. You said that you would bring them in the next day. You then declared that they were mysteriously now missing - Stolen twice in one night,in fact? Well life has a funny way about getting things back.
I expect you to now return or replace those sun glasses. Or my letter will continue to appear in the T&C Online where all the tourists are now reading the truth about the Turks & Caicos Islands. Your advertising also appears on the T&C Craplands page for all to see. So reply today and make arrangements to return or pay up. I remain. This letter will also appear on the T&C on line until I hear from you and you make good on the glasses you stole.
I though the first time was a fluke (snorkelling gear), but I just got back and this time my video camera and purse were stolen. An airport employee gave me one horrible time trying to leave the island without any id. In fact, he wanted me to pay him $500 cash to leave the island. I requested to talked to another person and this other person let me go through without me paying anything and that he would talk with this person because he was trying to take money from me which was not right. That would have made it three times being robbed on TCI. I will never go back ever again.
Amber design temples with oval gold coloured lenses inside a Revo black case with name on one side. (W...o) Last seen at Aribus Inn pool. Taken by woman manager owner of Health Club - brought home for safty? Did not tell hotel that she found them. I had to go and ask if anyone at the club had picked them up. She saw me at the pool with the glasses on. She admitted that she had found them. She said that she would bring them in the next day for me. Then - she said that she lost them by being robbed. If anyone sees these glasses they are very very easy to identify. Revo made very few glasses like these ones. She is a Quebec Islander. Her surprise is that I was going to be living there also. The police did nothing. Perhaps she is brave enough to wear the glasses now that I am gone.
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The IRS is a good set-up... you might not like it because you think it takes money for no god damned reason. If people keep on doing this.
1) USA would have less money for arms and protection
2) Roads would start looking like TCI's
3) Government would be more sneaky on ways to try and get money so there will be HIGHER taxes for those who do pay
4) Education for our future would be cut to shreads
5) Government grants for medical research would be reduced and diseases would be more dominant
6) The US dollar would go down in value
etc...
It is not right for one to be so greedy to even advertise this kind of information... Auditing your own company to reduces taxes owed is one thing, but simply avoiding your own country from money to grow is another. I frown at you and I think you are pretty sad to put up information like this. I love my country and I saw the effects of budget cuts in the arts and physical education in my school... what next??? MATH, COMPUTERS, ENGLISH? Are a couple hundred dollars really worth destroying you childrens future?
FIRST, DO NOT EVER USE BLASPHEMY, PROFANITY AND/OR VULGARITY WHEN CONTACTING US, WE DO NOT APPRECIAT
by Michael Brock, GTM c/o TRUE-F.A.C.T.S. ORG., UBTO
Hello "!",
FIRST, I must say that while we do respect your right to "freedom of speech", which is protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution for the united States of America, we do NOT appreciate and/or deserve your profanity and vulgarity, especially, when YOU are using the Lord's (that is GOD's) name in vain and/or being blasphemous towards our "CREATOR"!
SECOND, I do realize, or at least it seems to me, that YOU are acting on good intentions ("good intentions" alone are NOT enough, though, and they pave the way to hell, if this is all that one relies upon to get through life); however, I must tell YOU that YOU are very much in the dark and/or misinformed about a lot of things that YOU listed in your e-mail message, and, evidently, apropos the IRS, the Federal Reserve and the income taxes themselves, right along with the Social Security and Medicare Insurance "taxes". IF any of the first five things on your list were accomplished and/or paid for by the income taxes, then your points would be valid, and I most certainly would NOT rebut; UNFORTUNATELY, this is NOT the case! And as far as your number six on the list, IF YOU would just STOP, take a look around YOU, and seek out the TRUTH at the same time, THEN YOU too would come to realize that our money is already "worthless" and created out of nothing, except "PUBLIC-DEBT" (this type of currency is called "fiat" money) and that our income tax system is a "FRAUD" against our entire nation, which is being perpetrated by "foreign" and "private" corporations/banks/powers (i.e. most notably, the Federal Reserve Bank).
FURTHERMORE, I MUST say that I too love my country, in fact, I AM A SERVICE-CONNECTED DISABLED "AMERICAN" VETERAN, who did "proudly" serve my country and would do so again if necessary! Moreover, I am also a very Patriotic "Private" American Citizen and Sovereign, who does pay my "fair-share" of a whole series of "legal" indirect taxes, such as the ones imposed on my telephone bill, my cable bill, my cell phone bill, my other home utilities, sales taxes, etc., etc., plus the direct tax placed on my property, since I am a homeowner, which is assessed and apportioned by the State where I live like the American Constitution allows and requires, and I just happen to be very, very informed about all of the things being discussed herein and a lot more, as well! For example, I will give YOU some FREE knowledge that YOU can verify for yourself, if YOU are as adamant about finding out the TRUTH, as YOU are about DEFENDING something [IRS & THE FEDERAL RESERVE] that YOU obviously do NOT understand and/or have any "correct" knowledge about.
The "income taxes" that YOU think pays for so many things, are NOT what they seem, in fact, they do NOT pay for anything at all, except the "interest payment(s)" to the banking cartel and monopoly known as the Federal Reserve System on America's "PUBLIC-DEBT", which, by the way, is what our "current" monetary system and/or economy is based on, not gold and silver like the American Constitution "REQUIRES". Indeed, one is so dependent on the other that they are "virtually" one in the same, and IF there ever is another stock market "CRASH", which is looming just around the corner if things do NOT change and unless Americans do NOT wake-up and realize what is and has been going on around us and rightfully do something about it, THEN millions of "people" WILL lose billions of "dollars" and our economy will cease to exist at all. This would, believe it or not, most likely be the end of America, even as we know it today, and the American Constitution along with all the rights it guarantees, and, perhaps, could even lead to a nation-wide police state, and would probably be followed by a new dictatorship. In fact, they are already trying to this through many different measures (one example is the National Partnership for Reinventing Government, spearheaded by none other than the Democratic Party's presidential candidate, Al Gore), but behind the guise of public interest and/or safety and national security.
Now as far as our present education system, well my friend, it IS already a mess, and NO amount of MONEY is going to solve the problem, BECAUSE the problem is the undermining of our education system by the hidden agendas of some of the most prominent so-called philanthropic, good-will and pro-education foundations in the world (such as the Carnegie Endowment, as well as the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations) via control of our education, especially, of our history, which is and has already been completely "cut to shreads" (apropos, it should be spelled "shreds"), as YOU put it, by the ELITIST!!! All of this information is "documented" and "verifiable", and it was exposed by the late Mr. Norman Dodd, former Congressional Researcher and Banking CEO (until he became aware of this plot against us and our country by these "foreign" and "private" banks, corporations and/or powers and, subsequently, resigned his position), during an interview shortly before he died with Mr. G. Edward Griffin.
Incidentally, our gold and silver was "STOLEN" from us by our own government back in the 1930's, or rather by the unseen government ran by the "ELITISTS" who created this whole "SCAM" in November 1910 at a "secret" meeting held on Jekyll Island off the coast of Georgia, which its roster of attendants represented about a quarter of the worlds wealth at that time, and they rallied behind the scenes for its subsequent enactment as the Federal Reserve Act, which was ultimately accomplished on December 23, 1913.
In order for YOU to prove this information to yourself, for yourself, and to learn more than I am sharing here, let me recommend and/or suggest several books that are by REPUTABLE, PUBLISHED authors:
1) "The Creature from Jekyll Island... A Second Look at the Federal Reserve" by G. Edward Griffin, he is a world-renowned author and is recognized in the "Who's Who in America" for his writing and journalism abilities, and he takes this very complicated, confusing information and presents in a very easy to read and comprehend format. YOU can also check-out his web site at: www.realityzone.com, but I highly recommend that YOU do NOT use the same approach with him as YOU did with us, because he is quite a patriotic American, a very nice gentleman from what I have been told by those who DO know him, and he is a Christian, who is also trying to help our most awesome country [AMERICA], including those who are so misinformed and/or brainwashed like YOU appear to be, in addition to the all of the points I have listed in my closing!!!
2) "Economic $olution$... The Incredible Story of: How You and America Are Being Bankrupted & What You Can Do To Avoid the Wipeout" by Peter Kershaw, this book is much shorter as far as the number of pages, but it too has a lot of very good and "documented" information about this subject matter.
Also, I have included an attachment for YOU to read [At the end of this response, since YOU did not leave your e-mail address... Hmmm, I wonder why? Could it be, perhaps, that YOU were just mad, and since YOU really DO NOT KNOW the TRUTH and YOU just wanted to vent, YOU decided to take a cheap shot at us, anonymously? I guess it really doesn't matter, since YOU have already told me, and everybody else, just how misinformed YOU really are by the contents of your message, and your use of vulgar/blasphemous language in it! It does NOT have to be this way, whoever YOU are, and only YOU can change your actions, but I promise that YOU would fair much better if YOU simply changed your approach to a more "positive" and "substantiated" one, rather than relying upon the "childish" use of profanity/blasphemy and the further spreading of "controlled" and "unfounded" dis-information that we have all been exposed to and told for far too long now. Get "real" and get "informed", or get out!!! America has enough brainwashed, ignorant deadbeats/idiots now, we don't need another one trying to further drag us down! So if YOU do NOT have anything better or more intelligent to say, then, quite frankly, don't even bother with wasting your, or our, time by opening your mouth or trying to write, because it doesn't become you, and, furthermore, there are plenty of others, who far exceed your abilities and/or intellect that we can turn to for the TRUTH and do NOT use blasphemy, profanity and/or vulgarity while presenting it!], which is entitled "More on the Federal Reserve Bank Conspiracy". This is NOT my work; nevertheless, it [the "original" message] contains a lot of links to other web sites that might be able to help you in your search for the TRUTH, many of which share and are documented/supported by "TRUE-FACTS" ["TRUE-information", NOT "us"], that is, if YOU take the intellectual challenge that I am formally presenting to YOU here and now. Moreover, this article is a reprint of Congressman Louis T. McFadden's "Speech On the Federal Reserve Corporation" which is actually a compilation of several speeches made by him on the Floor of the House of Representatives, U.S. Congress, in 1934. I can NOT vouch for every web site link and/or bit of information that is contained in this article, because, quite honestly, I have not visited all of them, and there are some typos and such that I did not change in order to leave it as "originally" intact as possible, but I did correct a few obvious spelling errors, that's all. You can find a lot of other information about this topic at the web site where I got this article/e-book from (i.e. www.tax-freedom.com), and we are NOT affiliated in any way, shape or form, I ASSURE YOU, it was a referred web site that a friend told me about. The same rule applies here, though, as before, because, quite frankly, I have NOT visited every page on this web site, as I am extremely busy with my/our own (Which if YOU have not visited them yet, then how can YOU be so critical of us, especially, when we are sincerely trying to help our country and all of our fellow citizenry as well, including YOU?).
NOW THEREFORE, when YOU have re-educated yourself with something other than "media-controlled" propaganda [since they are owned, operated and/or controlled by the ELITISTS that ARE out to destroy us, our country and, especially, our economy, so that they CAN then "fully" control all of US(America) and the rest of the world too] and government-controlled misinformation / dis-information [including any "informal" IRS publication, such as the Form 1040 Instructions Booklet], and YOU have matured beyond using profanity, vulgarity and/or GOD's name in vain [ESPECIALLY, since YOU do not even come close to his ABSOLUTE SUPREMACY, my friend, and "YOU" or "I" never will!!!] and would like to communicate like an "intelligent adult", who relies on our wonderful English vocabulary to get your point across rather than relying upon and using "childish" behavior and "bad-language" due to lack of knowledge and/or intelligence and only making your opinion much, much less effective, indeed, it makes YOU LOOK and SOUND more like an excuse for a "human-being" that, evidently, had a bad childhood and/or parents who did not care enough about YOU to emphasize the importance of "positive-communication-skills", even, and especially, when YOU disagree with someone, THEN I would like to debate and/or discuss any viewpoints that YOU might have about this subject matter, but NOT until THEN. In fact, if YOU ever e-mail us again with such language, then I will NOT respond to YOU ever again, PLUS I WILL report YOU to several different places, including but not limited to Network54.com, I WILL BLOCK YOU from ever sending us messages again, and I WILL have a friend of mine trace your IP address, so that I CAN report YOU to the authorities as well, since YOU have trespassed against us and violated our rights, which is "ILLEGAL"!!! But if YOU can "grow-up" and take my advice and/or formal intellectual challenge, then even YOU could and/or would benefit from this information and would probably come to thank me/us one day, when YOU too are informed, private, prosperous and "truly" FREE like we ARE!!! Until THEN... GOOD-BYE!!!
Sincerely,
Michael W. Brock, GTM c/o TRUE-F.A.C.T.S. ORG., UBTO
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
P.S. IF YOU are so sure of yourself, your "false" information and your opinion, THEN why did YOU reply anonymously? GET THE "TRUTH" AND "GOD" IN YOUR LIFE, AND YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO, OR WANT TO, HIDE AGAIN, MY POOR, MISINFORMED FELLOW AMERICAN.
ATTACHMENT:
MORE ON THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK CONSPIRACY
On May 23, 1933, Congressman, Louis T. McFadden, brought formal charges against the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve Bank system, The Comptroller of the Currency and the Secretary of United States Treasury for numerous criminal acts, including but not limited to, CONSPIRACY, FRAUD, UNLAWFUL CONVERSION, AND TREASON.
The petition for Articles of Impeachment was thereafter referred to the Judiciary Committee and has
YET TO BE ACTED ON.
So, this ELECTRONIC BOOKLET should be reprinted, re-posted,
and set up on web pages and circulated far and wide.
Congressman McFadden
On the Federal Reserve Corporation
Remarks in Congress, 1934
AN ASTOUNDING EXPOSURE
Reprinted by permission 1978 Arizona Caucus Club
Congressman McFadden's Speech
On the Federal Reserve Corporation
Quotations from several speeches made on the Floor of the House of Representatives by the Honorable Louis T. McFadden of Pennsylvania. Mr. McFadden, due to his having served as Chairman of the Banking and Currency Committee for more than 10 years, was the best posted man on these matters in America and was in a position to speak with authority of the vast ramifications of this gigantic private credit monopoly. As Representative of a State which was among the first to declare its freedom from foreign money tyrants it is fitting that Pennsylvania, the cradle of liberty, be again given the credit for producing a son that was not afraid to hurl defiance in the face of the money-fund. Whereas Mr. McFadden was elected to the high office on both the Democratic and Republican tickets, there can be no accusation of partisanship lodged against him. Because these speeches are set out in full in the Congressional Record, they carry weight that no amount of condemnation on the part of private individuals could hope to carry.
The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution
"Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough money to pay the Nation's debt. The depredations and iniquities of the Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over.
"This evil institution has impoverished and ruined the people of these United States, has bankrupted itself, and has practically bankrupted our Government. It has done this through the defects of the law under which it operates, through the mal-administration of that law by the Fed and through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it.
"Some people think that the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies, which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory moneylenders. In that dark crew of financial pirates there are those who would cut a man's throat to get a dollar out of his pocket; there are those who send money into states to buy votes to control our legislatures; there are those who maintain International propaganda for the purpose of deceiving us into granting of new concessions which will permit them to cover up their past misdeeds and set again in motion their gigantic train of crime.
"These twelve private credit monopolies were deceitfully and disloyally foisted upon this Country by the bankers who came here from Europe and repaid us our hospitality by undermining our American institutions. Those bankers took money out of this Country to finance Japan in a war against Russia. They created a reign of terror in Russia with our money in order to help that war along. They instigated the separate peace between Germany and Russia, and thus drove a wedge between the allies in World War. They financed Trotsky's passage from New York to Russia so that he might assist in the destruction of the Russian Empire. They fomented and instigated the Russian Revolution, and placed a large fund of American dollars at Trotsky's disposal in one of their branch banks in Sweden so that through him Russian homes might be thoroughly broken up and Russian children flung far and wide from their natural protectors. They have since begun breaking up of American homes and the dispersal of American children. "Mr. Chairman, there should be no partisanship in matters concerning banking and currency affairs in this Country, and I do not speak with any.
"In 1912 the National Monetary Association, under the chairmanship of the late Senator Nelson W. Aldrich, made a report and presented a vicious bill called the National Reserve Association bill. This bill is usually spoken of as the Aldrich bill. Senator Aldrich did not write the Aldrich bill. He was the tool, if not the accomplice, of the European bankers who for nearly twenty years had been scheming to set up a central bank in this Country and who in 1912 has spent and were continuing to spend vast sums of money to accomplish their purpose.
"We were opposed to the Aldrich plan for a central bank. The men who rule the Democratic Party then promised the people that if they were returned to power there would be no central bank established here while they held the reigns of government. Thirteen months later that promise was broken, and the Wilson administration, under the tutelage of those sinister Wall Street figures who stood behind Colonel House, established here in our free Country the worm-eaten monarchical institution of the "King's Bank" to control us from the top downward, and from the cradle to the grave.
"The Federal Reserve Bank destroyed our old and characteristic way of doing business. It discriminated against our 1-name commercial paper, the finest in the world, and it set up the antiquated 2-name paper, which is the present curse of this Country and which wrecked every country which has ever given it scope; it fastened down upon the Country the very tyranny from which the framers of the Constitution sough to save us.
PRESIDENT JACKSON'S TIME
"One of the greatest battles for the preservation of this Republic was fought out here in Jackson's time; when the second Bank of the United States, founded on the same false principles of those which are here exemplified in the Fed was hurled out of existence. After that, in 1837, the Country was warned against the dangers that might ensue if the predatory interests after being cast out should come back in disguise and unite themselves to the Executive and through him acquire control of the Government. That is what the predatory interests did when they came back in the livery of hypocrisy and under false pretenses obtained the passage of the Fed.
"The danger that the Country was warned against came upon us and is shown in the long train of horrors attendant upon the affairs of the traitorous and dishonest Fed. Look around you when you leave this Chamber and you will see evidences of it in all sides. This is an era of misery and for the conditions that caused that misery, the Fed is fully liable. This is an era of financed crime and in the financing of crime the Fed does not play the part of a disinterested spectator.
"It has been said that the draughtsman who was employed to write the text of the Aldrich bill because that had been drawn up by lawyers, by acceptance bankers of European origin in New York. It was a copy, in general a translation of the statues of the Reichsbank and other European central banks. One-half million dollars was spent on the part of the propaganda organized by these bankers for the purpose of misleading public opinion and giving Congress the impression that there was an overwhelming popular demand for it and the kind of currency that goes with it, namely, an asset currency based on human debts and obligations. Dr. H. Parker Willis had been employed by Wall Street and propagandists, and when the Aldrich measure failed- he obtained employment with Carter Glass, to assist in drawing the banking bill for the Wilson administration. He appropriated the text of the Aldrich bill. There is no secret about it. The test of the Federal Reserve Act was tainted from the first.
"A few days before the bill came to a vote, Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, of Massachusetts, wrote to Senator John W. Weeks as follows:
New York City,
December 17, 1913
"'My Dear Senator Weeks:
"'Throughout my public life I have supported all measures designed to take the Government out of the banking business. This bill puts the Government into the banking business as never before in our history. "'The powers vested in the Federal Reserve Board seen to me highly dangerous especially where there is political control of the Board. I should be sorry to hold stock in a bank subject to such dominations. The bill as it stands seems to me to open the way to a vast inflation of the currency. "'I had hoped to support this bill, but I cannot vote for it cause it seems to me to contain features and to rest upon principles in the highest degree menacing to our prosperity, to stability in business, and to the general welfare of the people of the United States.
Very Truly Yours,
Henry Cabot Lodge.'"
"In eighteen years that have passed since Senator Lodge wrote that letter of warning all of his predictions have come true. The Government is in the banking business as never before. Against its will it has been made the backer of horse thieves and card sharps, bootlegger's smugglers, speculators, and swindlers in all parts of the world. Through the Fed the riffraff of every country is operating on the public credit of the United States Government.
THE GREAT DEPRESSION
"Meanwhile and on account of it, we ourselves are in the midst of the greatest depression we have ever known. From the Atlantic to the Pacific, our Country has been ravaged and laid waste by the evil practices of the Fed and the interests, which control them. At no time in our history, has the general welfare of the people been at a lower level or the minds of the people so full of despair.
"Recently in one of our States, 60,000 dwelling houses and farms were brought under the hammer in a single day. 71,000 houses and farms in Oakland County, Michigan, were sold and their erstwhile owners dispossessed. The people who have thus been driven out are the wastage of the Fed. They are the victims of the Fed. Their children are the new slaves of the auction blocks in the revival of the institution of human slavery.
The Scheme of the Fed
"In 1913, before the Senate Banking and Currency Committee, Mr. Alexander Lassen made the following statement: "The whole scheme of the Fed with its commercial paper is an impractical, cumbersome machinery- is simply a cover to secure the privilege of issuing money, and to evade payment of as much tax upon circulation as possible and then control the issue and maintain, instead of reducing interest rates. It will prove to the advantage of the few and the detriment of the people. It will mean continued shortage of actual money and further extension of credits, for when there is a shortage of money people have to borrow to their cost.' "A few days before the Fed passed, Senator Root denounced the Fed as an outrage on our liberties. He predicted: 'Long before we wake up from our dream of prosperity through an inflated currency, our gold- which alone could have kept us from catastrophe- will have vanished and no rate of interest will tempt it to return.'
"If ever a prophecy came true, that one did. "The Fed became law the day before Christmas
Eve, in the year 1913, and shortly afterwards, the German International bankers, Kuhn, Loeb and Co. sent one of their partners here to run it.
"The Fed Note is essentially unsound. It is the worst currency and the most dangerous that this Country has ever known. When the proponents of the act saw that the Democratic doctrine would not permit them to let the proposed banks issue the new currency as bank notes, they should have stopped at that. They should not have foisted that kind of currency, namely, an asset currency, on the United States Government. They should not have made the Government [liable on the private] debts of individuals and corporations, and, least of all, on the private debts of foreigners. "As Kemerer says: 'The Fed Notes, therefore, in form, have some of the qualities of Government paper money, but in substance, are almost a pure asset currency possessing a Government guarantee against which contingency the Government has made no provision whatever.'
"Hon. L. J. Hill, a former member of the House, said, and truly: "They are obligations of the Government for which the United States received nothing and for the payment of which at any time, it assumes the responsibility: looking to the Fed to recoup itself.'
"If this United States is to redeem the Fed Notes, when the General Public finds it costs to deliver this paper to the Fed, and if the Government has made no provisions for redeeming them, the first element of unsoundness is not far to seek.
"Before the Banking and Currency Committee, when the bill was under discussion Mr. Crozier of Cincinnati said: 'The imperial power of elasticity of the public currency is wielded exclusively by the central corporations owned by the banks. This is a life and death power over all local banks and all business. It can be used to create or destroy prosperity, to ward off or cause stringencies and panics. By making money artificially scarce, interest rates throughout the Country can be arbitrarily raised and the bank tax on all business and cost of living increased for the profit of the banks owning these regional central banks, and without the slightest benefit to the people. The 12 Corporations together cover y and monopolize and use for private gain- every dollar of the public currency and all public revenue of the United States. Not a dollar can be put into circulation among the people by their Government, without the consent of and on terms fixed by these 12 private money trusts.'
"In defiance of this and all other warnings, the proponents of the Fed created the 12 private credit corporations and gave them an absolute monopoly of the currency of these United States- not of the Fed Notes alone- but of all other currency! The Fed Act providing ways and means by which the gold and general currency in the hands of the American people could be obtained by the Fed in exchange for Fed Notes- which are not money- but mere promises to pay.
"Since the evil day when this was done, the initial monopoly has been extended by vicious amendments to the Fed and by the unlawful and treasonable practices of the Fed.
Money for the Scottish Distillers
"Mr. Chairman, if a Scottish distiller wishes to send a cargo of Scotch whiskey to these United States, he can draw his bill against the purchasing bootlegger in dollars and after the bootlegger has accepted it by writing his name across the face of it, the Scotch distiller can send that bill to the nefarious open discount market in New York City where the Fed will buy it and use it as collateral for a new issue of Fed Notes. Thus the Government of these United States pay the Scotch distiller for the whiskey before it is shipped, and if it is lost on the way, or if the Coast Guard seizes it and destroys it, the Fed simply write off the loss and the government never recovers the money that was paid to the Scotch distiller.
"While we are attempting to enforce prohibition here, the Fed are in the distillery business in Europe and paying bootlegger bills with public credit of these United States. "Mr. Chairman, by the same process, they compel our Government to pay the German brewer for his beer. Why should the Fed be permitted to finance the brewing industry in Germany either in this way or as they do by compelling small and fearful United States Banks to take stock in the Isenbeck Brewery and in the German Bank for brewing industries? "Mr. Chairman, if Dynamit Nobel of Germany, wishes to sell dynamite in Japan to use in Manchuria or elsewhere, it can drew its bill against the Japanese customers in dollars and send that bill to the nefarious open discount market in New York City where the Fed will buy it and use it as collateral for a new issue of Fed Notes- while at the same time the Fed will be helping Dynamit Nobel by stuffing its stock into the United States banking system.
"Why should we send our representatives to the disarmament conference at Geneva- while the Fed is making our Government pay Japanese debts to German Munitions makers?
"Mr. Chairman, if a German wishes to raise a crop of beans and sell them to a Japanese customer, he can draw a bill against his prospective Japanese customer in dollars and have it purchased by the Fed and get the money out of this Country at the expense of the American people before he has even planted the beans in the ground. "Mr. Chairman, if a German in Germany wishes to export goods to South America, or any other Country, he can draw his bill against his customers and send it to these United States and get the money out of this Country before he ships, or even manufactures the goods.
"Mr. Chairman, why should the currency of these United States be issued on the strength of German Beer? Why should it be issued on the crop of unplanted beans to be grown in Chili for Japanese consumption? Why should these United States be compelled to issue many billions of dollars every year to pay the debts of one foreigner to another foreigner? "Was it for this that our National Bank depositors had their money taken out of our banks and shipped abroad? Was it for this that they had to lose it? Why should the public credit of these United States and likewise money belonging to our National Bank depositors be used to support foreign brewers, narcotic drug vendors, whiskey distillers, wig makes, human hair merchants, Chilean bean growers, to finance the munitions factories of Germany and Soviet Russia?
THE UNITED STATES HAS BEEN RANSACKED
"The United States has been ransacked and pillaged. Our structures have been gutted and only the walls are left standing. While being perpetrated, everything the world would rake up to sell us was brought in here at our expense by the Fed until our markets were swamped with unneeded and unwanted imported goods priced far above their value and make to equal the dollar volume of our honest exports, and to kill or reduce our favorite balance of trade. As Agents of the foreign central banks the Fed try by every means in their power to reduce our favorable balance of trade. They act for their foreign principal and they accept fees from foreigners for acting against the best interests of these United States. Naturally there has been great competition among foreigners for the favors of the Fed.
"What we need to do is to send the reserves of our National Banks home to the people who earned and produced them and who still own them and to the banks which were compelled to surrender them to predatory interests.
"Mr. Chairman, there is nothing like the Fed pool of confiscated bank deposits in the world. It is a public trough of American wealth in which the foreigners claim rights, equal to or greater than Americans. The Fed are the agents of the foreign central banks. They use our bank depositors' money for the benefit of their foreign principals. They barter the public credit of the United States Government and hire it our to foreigners at a profit to themselves.
"All this is done at the expense of the United States Government, and at a sickening loss to the American people. Only our great wealth enabled us to stand the drain of it as long as we did.
"We need to destroy the Fed wherein our national reserves are impounded for the benefit of the foreigners. "We need to save America for Americans.
SPURIOUS SECURITIES
"Mr. Chairman, when you hold a $10.00 Fed Note in your hand, you are holding apiece of paper which sooner or later is going to cost the United States Government $10.00 in gold (unless the Government is obliged to go off the gold standard). It is based on limburger cheese (reported to be in foreign warehouses) or in cans purported to contain peas (but may contain salt water instead), or horse meat, illicit drugs, bootleggers fancies, rags and bones from Soviet Russia (of which these United States imported over a million dollars worth last year), on wines whiskey, natural gas, goat and dog fur, garlic on the string, and Bombay ducks.
"If you like to have paper money- which is secured by such commodities- you have it in Fed Note. If you desire to obtain the thing of value upon which this paper currency is based, that is, the limburger cheese, the whiskey, the illicit drugs, or any of the other staples- you will have a very hard time finding them.
"Many of these worshipful commodities are in foreign Countries. Are you going to Germany to inspect her warehouses to see if the specified things of value are there? I think more, I do not think that you would find them there if you did go.
"On April 27, 1932, the Fed outfit sent $750,000 belonging to American bank depositors in gold to Germany. A week later another $300,000 in gold was shipped to Germany. About the middle of May $12,000,000 in gold was shipped to Germany by the Fed. Almost every week there is a shipment of gold to Germany. These shipments are not made for profit on the exchange since the German marks are blow parity with the dollar.
"Mr. Chairman, I believe that the National Bank depositors of these United States have a right to know what the Fed are doing with their money. There are millions of National Bank depositors in the Country who do not know that a percentage of every dollar they deposit in a Member Bank of the Fed goes automatically to American Agents of the foreign banks and that all their deposits can be paid away to foreigners without their knowledge or consent by the crooked machinery of the Fed and the questionable practices of the Fed.
[Ed. Note- Problem with next paragraph in original] "Mr. Chairman, the American people should be told the truth by their servants in office. In 1930, we had over a half billion dollars outstanding daily to finance foreign goods stored in or shipped between several billion dollars. What goods are these on which the Fed yearly pledges several billions of dollars? In its yearly total, this item amounts to several billions of dollars of the public credit of these United States?
"What goods are those which are hidden in European and Asiatic stores have not been seen by any officer of our Government but which are being financed on the public credit of the United States Government? What goods are those upon which the 17 United States Government is being obligated by the Fed to issue Fed Notes to the extent of several billions of dollars a year?
The Bankers' Acceptance Racket
"The Fed have been International Banks from the beginning, with these United States as their enforced banker and supplier of currency. But it is none the less extraordinary to see these twelve private credit monopolies, buying the debts of foreigners against foreigners, in all parts of the world and asking the Government of these United States for new issues of Fed notes in exchange for them. "The magnitude of the acceptance racket as it has been developed by the Fed, their foreign correspondents, and the predatory European born bankers, who set up the Fed here and taught your own, by and of pirates, how to loot the people: I say the magnitude of this racket is estimated to be in the neighborhood of 9,000,000,000 per year. In the past ten years it is said to have amounted to $90,000,000,000.00. In my opinion it has amounted to several times that much. Coupled to this you have to the extent of billions of dollars, the gambling in the United States securities, which takes place in the same open discount market- a gambling on which the Fed is now spending $100,000,000.00 per week.
"Fed Notes are taken from the U.S. Government in unlimited quantities. Isn’t it strange that the burden of supplying these immense sums of money to the gambling fraternity has at last proved too heavy for the American people to endure? Would it not be a national [calamity to] again bind down this burden on the backs of the American people and by means of a long rawhide whip of the credit masters, compel them to enter another seventeen years of slavery?
"They are trying to do that now. They are trying to take $100,000,000.00 of the public credit of the United States every week, in addition to all their other seizures and they are sending that money to the nefarious open market in a desperate gamble to reestablish their graft as a going concern.
"They are putting the United States Government in debt to the extent of $100,000,000 a week, and with the money they are buying our Government securities for themselves and their foreign principals. Our people are disgusted with the experiences of the Fed. The Fed is not producing a loaf of bread, a yard of cloth, a bushel of corn, or a pile of cordwood by its check-kiting operations in the money market.
"Mr. Speaker, on the 13th of January of this year I addressed the House on the subject of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation. In the course of my remarks I made the following statement: In 1928 the member banks of the Fed borrowed $60,598,690,000 from the Fed on their fifteen-day promissory notes. Think of it. Sixty billion dollars payable on demand in gold in the course of one single year. The actual amount of such obligations called for six times as much monetary gold as there is in the world. Such transactions represent a grant in the course of one single years of about $7,000,000 to every member of the Fed.
"Is it any wonder that American labor which ultimately pays the cost of all banking operations of this Country has at last proved unequal to the task of supplying this huge total of cash and credit for the benefit of the stock market manipulators and foreign swindlers? "In 1933 the Fed presented the staggering amount of $60,598,690,000 to its member banks at the expense of the wage earners and taxpayers of these United States. In 1929, the year of the stock market crash, the Fed advanced $58,000,000,000 to member banks.
"In 1930 while the speculating banks were getting out of the stock market at the expense of the general public, the Fed advanced them $13,022,782,000. This shows that when the banks were gambling on the public credit of these United States as represented by the Fed currency they were subsidized to any amount they required by the Fed. When the swindle began to fall, the bankers knew it in advance and withdrew from the market. They got out with whole skins- and left the people of these United States to pay the piper. "My friend from Kansas, Mr. McGugin, has stated that he thought the Fed lent money on rediscounting. So they do, but they lend comparatively little that way. The real discounting that they do has been called a mere penny in the slot business. It is too slow for genuine high flyers. They discourage it. They prefer to subsidize their favorite banks by making them $60,000,000,000 advances and they prefer to acquire assistance in the notorious open discount market in New York, where they can use it to control the price of stocks and bonds on the exchanges.
"For every dollar they advanced on discounts in 1928, they lent $33.00 to their favorite banks for whom they do a business of several billion dollars income tax on their profits to these United States.
The John Law Swindle
"This is the John Law swindle over again. The theft of Teapot Dome was trifling compared to it. What King ever robbed his subject to such an extent as the Fed has robbed us? Is it any wonder that there have been lately ninety cases of starvation in one of the New York hospitals? Is there any wonder that the children are being abandoned?
"The government and the people of these United States have been swindled by swindlers deluxe to whom the acquisition of American or a parcel of Fed Notes presented no more difficulty than the drawing up of a worthless acceptance in a Country not subject to the laws of these United States, by shapers not subject to the jurisdiction of these United States, shapers with strong banking "fence" on this side of the water, a "fence" acting as a receiver of a worthless paper coming from abroad, endorsing it and getting the currency out of the Fed for it as quickly as possible exchanging that currency for gold and in turn transmitting the gold to its foreign confederates.
Ivar Kreuger, the Match King!
"Such were the exploits of Ivar Krueger, Mr. Hoover's friend, and his rotten Wall Street bakers. Every dollar of the billions Kreuger and his gang drew out of this Country on acceptances was drawn from the government and the people of the United States through the Fed. The credit of the United States Government was peddled to him by the Fed for their own private gain. That is what the Fed has been doing for many years.
"They have been peddling the credit of this Government and the [signature of this] Government to the swindlers and speculators of all nations. That is what happens when a Country forsakes its Constitution and gives its sovereignty over the public currency to private interests. Give them the flag and they will sell it.
"The nature of Kreuger's organized swindle and the bankrupt condition of Kreuger's combine was known here last June when Hoover sought to exempt Krueger's loan to Germany of $125,000,000 from the operation of the Hoover Moratorium. The bankrupt condition of Krueger's swindle was known her last summer when $30,000,000 was taken from the American taxpayers by certain bankers in New York for the ostensible purpose of permitting Krueger to make a loan to Colombia. Colombia never saw that money.
"The nature of Krueger's swindle was known here in January when he visited his friend, Mr. Hoover, at the White House. It was known here in March before he went to Paris and committed suicide.
"Mr. Chairman, I think the people of the United States are entitled to know how many billions of dollars were placed at the disposal of Krueger and his gigantic combine by the Fed, and to know how much of our Government currency was issued and lost in the financing of that great swindle in the years during which the Fed took care of Krueger's requirements.
"A few days ago, the President of the United States with a white face and shaking hands, went before the Senate of behalf of the moneyed interests and asked the Senate to levy a tax on the people so that foreigners might know that these United States would pay its debt to them.
"Most Americans thought it was the other way around. What does these United States owe foreigners? When and by whom was the debt incurred? It was incurred by the Fed, when they peddled the signature of the Government to foreigners- for a Price. It is what the United States Government has to pay to redeem the obligations of the Fed.
Thieves Go Scot Free
"Are you going to let these thieves get off scot free? Is there one law for the looter who drives up to the door of the United States Treasury in his limousine and another for the United States Veterans who are sleeping on the floor of a dilapidated house on the outskirts of Washington?
"The Baltimore and Ohio Railroad is here asking for a large loan from the people, and the wage earners and the taxpayers of these United States. It is begging for a handout from the Government. It is standing, cap in hand, at the door of the R.F.C. where all the jackals have gathered to the feast. It is asking for money that was raised from the people by taxation and wants this money of the poor for the benefit of Kuhn, Loeb and Co., the German International Bankers.
"Is there one law for the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad and another for the hungry veterans it threw off its freight cars the other day? Is there one law for sleek and prosperous swindlers who call themselves bankers and another law for the soldiers who defended the flag? "The R.F.C. is taking over these worthless securities from the Investment Trusts with United States Treasury money at the expense of the American taxpayer and the wage earner.
"It will take twenty years to redeem our Government. Twenty years of penal servitude to pay off the gambling debts of the traitorous Fed and to vast flood of American wages and savings, bank deposits, and the United States Government credit which the Fed exported out of this country to their foreign principals.
"The Fed lately conducted an anti-hoarding campaign here. They took that extra money, which they had persuaded the American people to put into the banks, and they sent it to Europe, along with the rest in the last several months, they have sent $1,300,000,000 in gold to their foreign employers, their foreign masters, and every dollar of that gold belonged to the people of these United States and was unlawfully taken from them.
Fiat Money
"Mr. Chairman, within the limits of the time allowed me, I cannot enter into a particularized discussion of the Fed. I have singled out the Fed currency for a few remarks because there has lately been some talk here of "fiat money". What kind of money is being pumped into the open discount market and through it into foreign channels and stock exchanges? Mr. Mills of the Treasury has spoken here of his horror of the printing presses and his horror of dishonest money. He has no horror of dishonest money. If he had, he would be no party to the present gambling of the Fed in the nefarious open discount market of New York, a market in which the sellers are represented by 10 discount corporations owned and organized by the very banks which own and control the Fed.
"Fiat money, indeed!
"What Mr. Mills is fighting for is the preservation, whole and entire, of the banker's monopoly of all the currency of the United States Government.
"Mr. Chairman, last December, I introduced a resolution here asking for an examination and an audit of the Fed and all related matters. If the House sees fit to make such an investigation, the people of these United States will obtain information of great value. This is a Government of the people, by the people, for the people. Consequently, nothing should be concealed from the people. The man who deceives the people is a traitor to these United States.
"The man who knows or suspects that a crime has been committed and who conceals and covers up that crime is an accessory to it. Mr. Speaker, it is a monstrous thing for this great nation of people to have its destinies presided over by a traitorous government board acting in secret concert with international usurers.
"Every effort has been made by the Fed to conceal its powers- but the truth is- the Fed has usurped the Government. It controls everything here and it controls all of our foreign relations. It makes and breaks governments at will.
"No man and no body of men is more entrenched in power than the arrogant credit monopoly which operated the Fed. What National Government has permitted the Fed to steal from the people should now be restored to the people. The people have a valid claim against the Fed. If that claim is enforced the Americans will not need to stand in the bread line, or to suffer and die of starvation in the streets. Women will be saved, families will be kept together, and American children will not be dispersed and abandoned.
"Here is a Fed Note. Immense numbers of the notes are now held abroad. I am told that they amount to upwards of a billion dollars. They constitute a claim against our Government and likewise a claim against our peoples' money to the extent of $1,300,000,000 which has within the last few months been shipped abroad to redeem Fed Notes and to pay other gambling debts of the traitorous Fed. The greater part of our money stock has been shipped to other lands.
"Why should we promise to pay the debts of foreigners to foreigners? Why should the Fed be permitted to finance our competitors in all parts of the world? Do you know why the tariff was raised? It was raised to shut out the flood of Fed Goods pouring in here from every quarter of the globe- cheap goods, produced by cheaply paid foreign labor, on unlimited supplies of money and credit sent out of this Country by the dishonest and unscrupulous Fed.
"The Fed are spending $100,000,000 a week buying government securities in the open market and are making a great bid for foreign business. They are trying to make rates so attractive that the human hair merchants and the distillers and other business entities in foreign land will come her and hire more of the public credit of the United States Government to pay the Fed outfit for getting it for them.
World Enslavement Planned
"Mr. Chairman, when the Fed was passed, the people of these United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here which would make the savings of the American school teacher available to a narcotic-drug vendor in Acapulco. They did not perceive that these United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country which has nothing but raw material and heart, that Russia was destined to supply the man power and that this country was to supply the financial power to an "international superstate". A superstate controlled by international bankers, and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure?
"The people of these United States are being greatly wronged. They have been driven from their employments. They have been dispossessed from their homes. They have been evicted from their rented quarters. They have lost their children. They have been left to suffer and die for lack of shelter, food, clothing and medicine.
"The wealth of these United States and the working capital have been taken away from them and has either been locked in the vaults of certain banks and the great corporations or exported to foreign countries for the benefit of the foreign customers of these banks and corporations. So far as the people of the United States are concerned, the cupboard is bare.
"It is true that the warehouses and coal yards and grain elevators are full, but these are padlocked, and the great banks and corporations hold the keys.
"The sack of these United States by the Fed is the greatest crime in history.
"Mr. Chairman, a serious situation confronts the House of Representatives today. We are trustees of the people and the rights of the people are being taken away from them. Through the Fed the people are losing the rights guaranteed to them by the Constitution. Their property has been taken from them without due process of law. Mr. Chairman, common decency requires us to examine the public accounts of the Government and see what crimes against the public welfare have been committed.
"What is needed here is a return to the Constitution of these United States.
"The old struggle that was fought out here in Jackson's time must be fought our over again. The independent United States Treasury should be reestablished and the Government should keep its own money under lock and key in the building the people provided for that purpose.
"Asset currency, the devise of the swindler, should be done away with. The Fed should be abolished and the State boundaries should be respected. Bank reserves should be kept within the boundaries of the States whose people own them, and this reserve money of the people should be protected so that the International Bankers and acceptance bankers and discount dealers cannot draw it away from them.
"The Fed should be repealed, and the Fed Banks, having violated their charters, should be liquidated immediately. Faithless Government officials who have violated their oaths of office should be impeached and brought to trial.
"Unless this is done by us, I predict, that the American people, outraged, pillaged, insulted and betrayed as they are in their own land, will rise in their wrath, and will sweep the money changers out of the temple.
"Mr. Chairman, the United States is bankrupt: It has been bankrupted by the corrupt and dishonest Fed. It has repudiated its debts to its own citizens. Its chief foreign creditor is Great Britain, and a British bailiff has been at the White House and the British Agents are in the United States Treasury making inventory-arranging terms of liquidations!
Great Britain, Partner in Blackmail
"Mr. Chairman, the Fed has offered to collect the British claims in full from the American public by trickery and corruption, if Great Britain will help to conceal its crimes. The British are shielding their agents, the Fed, because they do not wish that system of robbery to be destroyed here. They wish it to continue for their benefit! By means of it, Great Britain has become the financial mistress of the world. She has regained the position she occupied before the World War.
"For several years she has been a silent partner in the business of the Fed. Under threat of blackmail, or by their bribery, or by their native treachery to the people of the United States, the officials in charge of the Fed unwisely gave Great Britain immense gold loans running into hundreds of millions of dollars. They did this against the law! Those gold loans were not single transactions. They gave Great Britain a borrowing power in the United States of billions. She squeezed billions out of this Country by means of her control of the Fed.
"As soon as the Hoover Moratorium was announced, Great Britain moved to consolidate her gains. After the treacherous signing away of American rights at the 7-power conference at London in July, 1931, which put the Fed under the control of the Bank of International Settlements, Great Britain began to tighten the hangman's noose around the neck of the United States.
"She abandoned the gold standard and embarked on a campaign of buying up the claims of foreigners against the Fed in all parts of the world. She has now sent her bailiff, Ramsey MacDonald, here to get her war debt to this country canceled. But she has a club in her hands! She has title to the gambling debts, which the corrupt and dishonest Fed incurred abroad.
"Ramsey MacDonald, the labor party deserter, has come here to compel the President to sign on the dotted line, and that is what Roosevelt is about to do! Roosevelt will endeavor to conceal the nature of his action from the American people. But he will obey the International Bankers and transfer the war debt that Great Britain should pay to the American people, to the shoulders of the American taxpayers.
"Mr. Chairman, the bank holiday in the several States was brought about by the corrupt and dishonest Fed. These institutions manipulated money and credit, and caused the States to order bank holidays.
"These holidays were frame-ups! "They were dress rehearsals for the national bank holiday, which Franklin D. Roosevelt promised Sir Ramsey MacDonald that he would declare.
"There was no national emergency here when Franklin D. Roosevelt took office excepting the bankruptcy of the Fed- a bankruptcy which has been going on under cover for several years and which has been concealed from the people so that the people would continue to permit their bank deposits and their bank reserves and their gold and the funds of the United States Treasury to be impounded in these bankrupt institutions.
"Under cover, the predatory International Bankers have been stealthily transferring the burden of the Fed debts to the people's Treasury and to the people themselves. They the farms and the homes of the United States to pay for their thievery! That is the only national emergency that there has been here since the depression began.
"The week before the bank holiday was declared in New York State, the deposits in the New York savings banks were greater than the withdrawals. There were no runs on New York Banks. There was no need of a bank holiday in New York, or of a national holiday.
Roosevelt and the International Bankers
"Roosevelt did what the International Bankers ordered him to do!
"Do not deceive yourself, Mr. Chairman, or permit yourself to be deceived by others into the belief that Roosevelt's dictatorship is in any way intended to benefit the people of the United States: he is preparing to sign on the dotted line! "He is preparing to cancel the war debts by fraud!
"He is preparing to internationalize this Country and to destroy our Constitution itself in order to keep the Fed intact as a money institution for foreigners. "Mr. Chairman, I see no reason why citizens of the United States should be terrorized into surrendering their property to the International Bankers who own and control the Fed. The statement that gold would be taken from its lawful owners if they did not voluntarily surrender it, to private interests, show that there is an anarchist in our Government.
"The statement that it is necessary for the people to give their gold- the only real money- to the banks in order to protect the currency, is a statement of calculated dishonesty!
"By his unlawful usurpation of power on the night of March 5, 1933, and by his proclamation, which in my opinion was in violation of the Constitution of the United States, Roosevelt divorced the currency of the United States from gold, and the United States currency is no longer protected by gold. It is therefore sheer dishonesty to say that the people's gold is needed to protect the currency.
"Roosevelt ordered the people to give their gold to private interests- that is, to banks, and he took control of the banks so that all the gold and gold values in them, or given into them, might be handed over to the predatory International Bankers who own and control the Fed.
"Roosevelt cast his lot with the usurers. "He agreed to save the corrupt and dishonest at the expense of the people of the United States.
"He took advantage of the people's confusion and weariness and spread the dragnet over the United States to capture everything of value that was left in it. He made a great haul for the International Bankers.
"The Prime Minister of England came here for money! He came here to collect cash!
"He came here with Fed Currency and other claims against the Fed which England had bought up in all parts of the world. And he has presented them for redemption in gold.
"Mr. Chairman, I am in favor of compelling the Fed to pay their own debts. I see no reason why the general public should be forced to pay the gambling debts of the International Bankers.
Roosevelt Seizes the Gold
"By his action in closing the banks of the United States, Roosevelt seized the gold value of forty billions or more of bank deposits in the United States banks. Those deposits were deposits of gold values. By his action he has rendered them payable to the depositors in paper only, if payable at all, and the paper money he proposes to pay out to bank depositors and to the people generally in lieu of their hard earned gold values in itself, and being based on nothing into which the people can convert it the said paper money is of negligible value altogether.
"It is the money of slaves, not of free men. If the people of the United States permit it to be imposed upon them at the will of their credit masters, the next step in their downward progress will be their acceptance of orders on company stores for what they eat and wear. Their case will be similar to that of starving coal miners. They, too, will be paid with orders on Company stores for food and clothing, both of indifferent quality and be forced to live in Company-owned houses from which they may be evicted at the drop of a hat. More of them will be forced into conscript labor camps under supervision.
"At noon on the 4th of March, 1933, FDR with his hand on the Bible, took an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the U.S. At midnight on the 5th of March 1933, he confiscated the property of American citizens. He took the currency of the United States standard of value. He repudiated the internal debt of the Government to its own citizens. He destroyed the value of the American dollar. He released, or endeavored to release, the Fed from their contractual liability to redeem Fed currency in gold or lawful money on a parity with gold. He depreciated the value of the national currency.
"The people of the U.S. are now using unredeemable paper slips for money. The Treasury cannot redeem that paper in gold or silver. The gold and silver of the Treasury has unlawfully been given to the corrupt and dishonest Fed. And the Administration has since had the effrontery to raid the country for more gold for the private interests by telling our patriotic citizens that their gold is needed to protect the currency.
"It is not being used to protect the currency! It is being used to protect the corrupt and dishonest Fed. "The directors of these institutions have committed criminal offense against the United States Government, including the offense of making false entries on their books, and the still more serious offense of unlawfully abstracting funds from the United States Treasury! "Roosevelt's gold raid is intended to help them out of the pit they dug for themselves when they gambled away the wealth and savings of the American people.
Dictatorship
"The International Bankers set up a dictatorship here because they wanted a dictator who would protect them. They wanted a dictator who would protect them. They wanted a dictator who would issue a proclamation giving the Fed an absolute and unconditional release from their special currency in gold, or lawful money of any Fed Bank.
"Has Roosevelt relieved any other class of debtors in this country from the necessity of paying their debts? Has he made a proclamation telling the farmers that they need not pay their mortgages? Has he made a proclamation to the effect that mothers of starving children need not pay their milk bills? Has he made a proclamation relieving householders from the necessity of paying rent?
Roosevelt's Two Kinds of Laws
"Not he! He has issued one kind of proclamation only, and that is a proclamation to relieve international bankers and the foreign debtors of the United States Government.
"Mr. Chairman, the gold in the banks of this country belongs to the American people who have paper money contracts for it in the form of national currency. If the Fed cannot keep their contracts with United States citizens to redeem their paper money in gold, or lawful money, then the Fed must be taken over by the United States Government and their officers must be put on trial.
"There must be a day of reckoning. If the Fed have looted the Treasury so that the Treasury cannot redeem the United States currency for which it is liable in gold, then the Fed must be driven out of the Treasury.
"Mr. Chairman, a gold certificate is a warehouse receipt for gold in the Treasury, and the man who has a gold certificate is the actual owner of a corresponding amount of gold stacked in the Treasury subject to his order.
"Now comes Roosevelt who seeks to render the money of the United States worthless by unlawfully declaring that it may No Longer be converted into gold at the will of the holder.
"Roosevelt's next haul for the International Bankers was the reduction in the pay of all Federal employees.
"Next in order are the veterans of all wars, many of whom are aged and inform, and other sick and disabled. These men had their lives adjusted for them by acts of Congress determining the amounts of the pensions, and, while it is meant that every citizen should sacrifice himself for the good of the United States, I see no reason why those poor people, t
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by "MIA" Revisited
First, I am an Investment Adviser for a "major" Investment Firm, and I HAVE lost money in various "off-shore" investments, both my own and my clients, so I definitely know where you are coming from. And it is not fun, having to tell your clients that they "LOST" money, regardless of the circumstances or situation.
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I am now compelled to share the TRUTH about "MIA" Revisited with you all. First, I do know him personally. His name is G. L. Norman, and he is a recent associate of mine, which HAS joined my program through a local newspaper advertisement that we placed. He works for a local, rather large, investment firm. I have known him for about two-months, since he first called us in response to our ad. We spoke on the telephone, and he subsequently attended a local meeting that takes place every two weeks on Tuesday nights. Since then he has been frequenting my office from time to time, for various reasons, such as extensive discussions concerning the income taxes, the IRS and the Federal Reserve, just to name a few of the major topics.
Yesterday, he came by to see me while I was on the computer. I showed him this web site, as I have only recently started visiting it myself and wanted to share your forum with others, and since I knew that he was familiar with "off-shore" investing and the "Islands" in general, from our previous conversations. As we were viewing/discussing this web site, I received a telephone call that I had been expecting. While I was on the phone, he continued viewing this web site and took it upon himself to post a response to one of the previous messages.
He did show me the posting when I was through with my telephone call, but I honestly thought that it was "harmless" enough and did not really consider the matter any further, until this morning when I checked the "message-board" and realized that my integrity was in question. I sincerely apologize for any sort of misconstruction or misconstrued deception resulting from this matter. I have notified Mr. Norman of this error on his part, and he assures me that he will be posting his own apology in the next few days.
PLEASE, however, DO NOT let this harmless, minor misunderstanding discourage you ALL from viewing our web site: TRUE-F.A.C.T.S. "SCHOOL OF WEALTH", as I, that is, we at TRUE-F.A.C.T.S. ORG., UBTO are very sincerely just trying to help everyone find-out the TRUTH about the United States, Inc. income taxes, the IRS, Inc. [F.Y.I.: Their "true & correct" name is the Internal Revenue Tax and Audit Services, Inc.; Chartered/Established on July 12, 1933 in Delaware, USA, which can be confirmed/verified by contacting the Secretary of State of the State of Delaware, where you can even obtain certified copies of their corporation papers if you would like!] and the Federal Reserve, Inc. [ALL OF THEM ARE "FOREIGN" & "PRIVATE" CORPORATIONS, OUT FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT, NOT OURS!]!!! Just visit our web site and let your OWN "heart and mind" be the judge!!!
Very Sincerely,
Michael W. Brock, GTM
C/o TRUE-F.A.C.T.S. ORG., UBTO
it is learly written that you MUST be the a contact of the domain names edith... YOU MAY NOT CHANGE IT WITHOUT THE PROPER PNG ENCRYPTION
stop trying to gain control of them or i will have you reported to internic for this action.
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i can't belive how ignorant you really are... this is been going on too long.. JUST PAY ME MY MONEY FOR THE WORK NOW OR START SENDING CHEQUES TO ME AS I STATED PREVIOUSLY TO YOU MONTHLY (everything will be placed back to normal). YOU WANT THOSE DOMAIN NAMES TO POINT TO THE CRAPLAND PAGE??? KEEP IGNORING ME IF YOU DO.
Due to the lack of communication from edith hall the thief of turks and caicos online website... customer domain names are going to be removed fromm caribisp's control
domain names will be returned once money is received for internet webpage designing is paid to me
I am upset with Edith and I don't even know her, but only what she did. She must know of this board and is reading these posts since she pays the hosting for this site, but since she is not responding to any of these, we can only assume she is trying to let it slide and not pay a single dime for it. I have been to TCI and I know what those islanders are like there, Anything that is wrong will "die in time and people will forget" I also remember another quote from islanders, "get them on the island by any means possible, get thier money, then get the the fuck off as quickly as possible"
I think that you are correct that she thinks that this will all die down someday soon. Like all she has to do is hide her head deep in the sand and no one can see her because she can't see.
It is funny. Edith read carefully - the internet does not quit work that way. IT GROWS with time and remains until...
one of the leaders of the opposition party in TCI, don hue gardiner (attorney - gardiner and co.) stole a microwave from me.. doesn't reply to emails tcilaw@tciway.tc
clayton been (attorney - missick and stanbrook) stole a MS Office Cd-Rom from me. he replied to an email and snuffed it off then ignored follow up emails
andrew stone (island electronics) sold me a computer, printer and scanner. the printer didn't work.. after hours of telling him that, he eventually took back the printer. the scanner broke a few months later. (still under warranty) and they did nothing about it $225 scanner (sold in the states for $100)
michelle swann (department of tourism) signed a webpage agreement and never paid after the webpage was published on the internet and claims she never wanted one at all.. doesn't reply to emails
creighton higgs (business solutions + long term accomodation rental) frequently ran out of water, never repaired broken appliances and fixtures and never returned security deposit
alan ray (sand dollar cruises) had my party almost arrested after saying fishing would not take place but assured us that snorkeling for conch was ok... we also later found out that the location we went for the conch was in the national park where it was illegal to go conching
jon thompson (cable and wireless) refuses to remove copy righted works from the cable and wireless server
edith hall (quick pack and caribisp) stole turks and caicos online website without paying for it.
bill swann (labour board) simply ignored the fact that edith hall was hiring without permits (should be a $5000 fine
immigration ignored the fact edith hall was hiring illegally
police call the HEAVY cloud of smoke "fog" and don't care nothing about it... they also say that private parties can blast music any time of the day as long as it is outside and not inside a house or apartment. even if the music is in a residential area at 2AM
damn, this list is getting big and i got more to add, but i think this gives the idea to anyone considering doing business or visiting tci
After reading all this stuff and talking to others who have been there, I have changed my mine about going to work there. What garbage to content with... I am sure that the garbage being burned is probably ANYTHING and that is scary! They can stick their isaland up their ...
You are right.. it IS ANYTHING! I woke up one days from the very unpleasant odor of burned rubber and plastic, not to mention my smoke alarm went off too because of it. Kind wierd, I live about 3 miles aways from the dump fires and the smoke just never seemed to rise, but simply stay low to the ground.
It was horrible, and this happened almost weekly, just not as intense with the smoke alarm going off everytime, but still the smell of rubber and plastic burning.
I don't want to smell diapers, tampans, tires, water bottles, aeresol cans etc burning...
The first thing you will notice flying into TCI is the big cloud of smoke from the garbage being burned... what a beautiful picture
I don't think that you can rely on the government in any way to control what is being burned. First, they can not stop the people from even starting the fires at the dump. This has been going on for years and they THINK it might cause a problem at their only airport.
When I went to deliver garbage to the dump, I always see Haitians sleeping/living inside auto wrecks. I did not feel safe, these people are actually living at the dump and are obviously desparate for living and if they see a woman drive up by herself, they might just try and rob me. I kept the car running and I didn't go very far from the car when delivering the garbage.
I had a friend who was robbed FACE TO FACE with a Haitian. He beat her up, stolen her purse and nearly raped her (luckily a gentleman was approaching the scene when this part was taking place)
Later, after she regrouped, she travelled with the police to the dump to try and find this person. She pointed him out, and the police said they can take it from there, then they drove her back to the station and she didn't hear anything about it again.
We thought Cayman was out of Control! T&C is much worse
by Anonymous
The T&C Government must be as corrupt and disinterested in the welfare of their Islands as the Cayman government is here.
Its very sad that instead of going forward and benefiting the community, people with the power to do these things choose to allow the country to wind down into chaos as described in this website.
Horrible and sad.
The Cayman Immigration is one of the biggest jokes of the Carribbean Islands. The REAL big business in Cayman is reeling in the workers by the recuriting companies and charging the unsuspected high fees and throwing them off the island on the five thirty plane. Immigration fees $$$$$$$, hotel and restaurants charges $$$$$$$, losing rental security payment $$$$$$$$$ (telephone $$$$$$$, utility $$$$$$$$ and rental $$$$$$$$$) and lets not forget how the Cayman airways profits $$$$$$$$$. Most of those who went to Cayman will never forget those smiling faces. Also the Cayman popular phrase, "that will teach them white people not to mess with me! I did not ask you to come here to work.
When I went to deliver garbage to the dump, I always see Haitians sleeping/living inside auto wrecks. I did not feel safe, these people are actually living at the dump and are obviously desparate for living and if they see a woman drive up by herself, they might just try and rob me. I kept the car running and I didn't go very far from the car when delivering the garbage.
I had a friend who was robbed FACE TO FACE with a Haitian. He beat her up, stolen her purse and nearly raped her (luckily a gentleman was approaching the scene when this part was taking place)
Later, after she regrouped, she travelled with the police to the dump to try and find this person. She pointed him out, and the police said they can take it from there, then they drove her back to the station and she didn't hear anything about it again.
YOUR GRAMMAR IS SUCH A MEDIOCRITY.
1-DELIVER GARBAGE.
2-DESPARATE FOR LIVING.
3-THEY MIGHT JUST TRY AND ROB ME.
4-I KEPT THE CAR RUNNING AND I DIDN'T GO VERY FAR FROM THE CAR.
5-DELIVERING THE GARBAGE.
6-ROBED FACE TO FACE WITH A HAITIAN.
7-WHEN THIS PART WAS TAKING PLACE.
8-SHE REGROUPED.
9-TO TRY AND FIND THIS PERSON.
10-THEY CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE.
A PERSON WITH A GOOD EDUCATION KNOWS HOW TO WRITE WITH
GRAMMATICAL UNDERSTANDING.
When I went to deliver garbage to the dump, I always see Haitians sleeping/living inside auto wrecks. I did not feel safe, these people are actually living at the dump and are obviously desparate for living and if they see a woman drive up by herself, they might just try and rob me. I kept the car running and I didn't go very far from the car when delivering the garbage.
I had a friend who was robbed FACE TO FACE with a Haitian. He beat her up, stolen her purse and nearly raped her (luckily a gentleman was approaching the scene when this part was taking place)
Later, after she regrouped, she travelled with the police to the dump to try and find this person. She pointed him out, and the police said they can take it from there, then they drove her back to the station and she didn't hear anything about it again.
YOUR GRAMMAR IS SUCH A MEDIOCRITY.
1-DELIVER GARBAGE.
2-DESPARATE FOR LIVING.
3-THEY MIGHT JUST TRY AND ROB ME.
4-I KEPT THE CAR RUNNING AND I DIDN'T GO VERY FAR FROM THE CAR.
5-DELIVERING THE GARBAGE.
6-ROBED FACE TO FACE WITH A HAITIAN.
7-WHEN THIS PART WAS TAKING PLACE.
8-SHE REGROUPED.
9-TO TRY AND FIND THIS PERSON.
10-THEY CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE.
A PERSON WITH A GOOD EDUCATION KNOWS HOW TO WRITE WITH
GRAMMATICAL UNDERSTANDING.
When I went to deliver garbage to the dump, I always see Haitians sleeping/living inside auto wrecks. I did not feel safe, these people are actually living at the dump and are obviously desparate for living and if they see a woman drive up by herself, they might just try and rob me. I kept the car running and I didn't go very far from the car when delivering the garbage.
I had a friend who was robbed FACE TO FACE with a Haitian. He beat her up, stolen her purse and nearly raped her (luckily a gentleman was approaching the scene when this part was taking place)
Later, after she regrouped, she travelled with the police to the dump to try and find this person. She pointed him out, and the police said they can take it from there, then they drove her back to the station and she didn't hear anything about it again.
YOUR GRAMMAR IS SUCH A MEDIOCRITY.
1-DELIVER GARBAGE.
2-DESPARATE FOR LIVING.
3-THEY MIGHT JUST TRY AND ROB ME.
4-I KEPT THE CAR RUNNING AND I DIDN'T GO VERY FAR FROM THE CAR.
5-DELIVERING THE GARBAGE.
6-ROBED FACE TO FACE WITH A HAITIAN.
7-WHEN THIS PART WAS TAKING PLACE.
8-SHE REGROUPED.
9-TO TRY AND FIND THIS PERSON.
10-THEY CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE.
A PERSON WITH A GOOD EDUCATION KNOWS HOW TO WRITE WITH
GRAMMATICAL UNDERSTANDING.
When I went to deliver garbage to the dump, I always see Haitians sleeping/living inside auto wrecks. I did not feel safe, these people are actually living at the dump and are obviously desparate for living and if they see a woman drive up by herself, they might just try and rob me. I kept the car running and I didn't go very far from the car when delivering the garbage.
I had a friend who was robbed FACE TO FACE with a Haitian. He beat her up, stolen her purse and nearly raped her (luckily a gentleman was approaching the scene when this part was taking place)
Later, after she regrouped, she travelled with the police to the dump to try and find this person. She pointed him out, and the police said they can take it from there, then they drove her back to the station and she didn't hear anything about it again.
YOUR GRAMMAR IS SUCH A MEDIOCRITY.
1-DELIVER GARBAGE.
2-DESPARATE FOR LIVING.
3-THEY MIGHT JUST TRY AND ROB ME.
4-I KEPT THE CAR RUNNING AND I DIDN'T GO VERY FAR FROM THE CAR.
5-DELIVERING THE GARBAGE.
6-ROBED FACE TO FACE WITH A HAITIAN.
7-WHEN THIS PART WAS TAKING PLACE.
8-SHE REGROUPED.
9-TO TRY AND FIND THIS PERSON.
10-THEY CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE.
A PERSON WITH A GOOD EDUCATION KNOWS HOW TO WRITE WITH
GRAMMATICAL UNDERSTANDING.
You made it sound like all Haitian men are theives and rapists it is not just Haitians that are homeless. Poverty is prevelent it comes in all nationalities and backgrounds. So don't generalize and make it seem like Haitians are bad people because they're not. Criminals committ crimes, not just haitians.
Well pointed out, the Island is obviously far from any civilised state of development. Prospective business men or visitors to the Island are well advised from your succinct and relevant descriptions to stay clear. I wonder what will happen with regard to the OECD White Paper, or is nobody particularly interested down there.
I am so amazed from all the bad talk in here esp for a promotion type page. Do the customers even know this exists?
I started to do a search for other TCI sites and found that this is not the only place that doesn't think TCI is a good place to visit. In my search, I found around 20 pages warning people not to visit Turks And Caicos Islands.
It is a good thing the internet is here now, it is worth it's broadness in gold.
The passing grade has recently been raised to a high 35%. So - That's what you get... They were extremely upset because this was a lot of pressure on the children to pass. Imagine the struggles to get 35% on school tests.
I'm a PhD with enough sense to see whose really dumb
by Anonymous
Look, I've never visited the place; but I've met enough people and visited enough places to know that Mark Twain was right when he said don't let school get in the way of your education. Read a little history and know that poor educational systems and angry attitudes toward tourists and visitors aren't created in a vacuum. So if you need to make yourself feel better by simplifying the issues into good guys/bad guys, be my guest. Just don't expect to be awarded any extra IQ points for that kind of thinking.
Instead of answering and facing the issue of the domain names and the illegally used web page of turks and caicos online, edith hall tried to snag the domain names about 4 times within the last few days. it sure shows she is below average intelligence there.
domain names clearly say that the admin contact has the final say for domain names status and she doesn't understand that.
maybe this would get through to her
EDITH: WWW THINGS ARE A NO NO FOR YOU UNTIL YOU GIVE MONEY... NO LOLLY UNTIL YOU PAY UP... SAY BYE BYE TO ANOTHER WWW THINGY
Obviously this Edith is so used to doing what she pleases because she's 'an islander' which basically means foreigners are there to be duped and ripped off. Good luck in trying to get your money back.
The passing grade has recently been raised to a high 35%. So - That's what you get... They were extremely upset because this was a lot of pressure on the children to pass. Imagine the struggles to get 35% on school tests.
I promised a while ago I would tell about my trip to TCI when I come back. Sorry it took so long.
I didn't take the posts in the newsgroup seriously because I thought it was just poppycock, but I truly beleive everything stated derogatory about TCI.
We went and noticed drinking and driving everywhere on the poorly maintained roads. The Erebus was just plain disgusting all around. Hey Joses restaraunt was horrific in service and quality. The Market Place Cafe food was cold and the other customers were throwing things on the ground. Bamboo gallery wouldn't even give us the time of day. We were interested in buying 3 paintings and waited for about half an hour while the person there was chatting it up with a friend. Provo Fun Cycle's jeep kept on breaking down almost hourly, even after a replacement jeep. The coral was trendously diseased. We bought a bag of chips from 7-11 and it was clearly priced at 3$ and the person at the counter said it was a mistake and wanted to charge us 5$ for it. We asked for the room service not to spray for bugs in out room when we were asked on the second night and they still did and our children were sick for almost the entire trip.
I though the posts in here were not true. People, trust me on this, don't go to TCI and spend your hard earned money elsewhere. If you go to TCI, you will be sorry.
After sending many emails to cable and wireless, concerning having stolen copyrighted works on their server, they just snuff it off. Looks like the are now accessories for this copyright infringment when it goes to court.
Don't take no shit from them, they are losers. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. They will try and
get away with murder (and being here, they probably will get away with it). Cable and Wireless are
jerks and charge too much and I know Edith Hall and Spider personally, and they too are assholes.
I am leaving TCI in a few weeks since I can't take this shit no more. I am a Turks Islander, born and
raised. And I think my island is SHIT and corrupted.
Islanders should call Edith Hall & get their money back!
by Anonymous
The Island needs desperately to clean up their act. Do they think for a moment that people don't talk? That worldwide Newspapers don't inform and warn people about their pratices and procedures? Do they have their heads in that soft sand? Everyone on that Island should be calling Edith Hall and her husband (Utility Company) and get their money back from her. The government should fine her. The law should be upheld. This crap should stop. Call Cable and Wireless to clean up their act. Call the labor board ask them what's up. Don't they need desperately HONEST people to go there and work? Immigration should get after Edith Hall? Islanders if you want to clean up your Island you have got to do something. SPEAK UP!
I USED TO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO SPIDER AND CLYDE, THEY ARE TRULY THEIVES AND VERY DISGUSTING IN LIVING HABITS. THEY ARE VERY ABUSIVE TO THEIR DAUGHTER AND EVERYTHING. I HAD TO LEAVE THAT APRTMENT CAUSE OF ALL THE YELLING, SMELL AND THEIR STOLEN ARTICLES BOTHERING ME TOO MUCH. THE POLICE WERE AT THEIR DOOR ALMOST MONTHLY. I REMEMBER ONE TIME WHEN SPIDER WAS SITTING OUT FRONT SMOKING GANJA WITH HIS DAUGHTER TRYING TO GET HER TO SMOKE IT.
I must say that Club Med was the worst experience
I have ever had. Nothing like sleeping at a meat market bar. The food was ok...if you wanted to sit with some of the most plastic, boring people in the world.
The staff were absolutely rude. The only time I saw a G.O smile is when they did there little sing along superficial RAH RAH club med dances... PLease...
Club Med had there day in the sun...that day is OVER
Please stop trying to steal my domain names... it is highly illegal
for you to do this. They are registered in my name, not yours. Tampering
with them can get your very serious USA federal charges of minimal 5 years
in prison. I can tell you are trying to do it from the headers of the
emails returned for confirmation from internic.
Pay me my money and we can get this all sorted out. you know what I want
from past emails that you have ignored.
Looks like you are interested in meridianclub.com ... very interesting
You know what I want... I want paid for the work I have done. I created
over 600 pages for you and you still need to pay me for them. It is not
right that you are stealing over 2 months work and having no intention on
paying me for it. You are gaining money for hosting pages that are not even
yours.
Why are you not even replying to my emails? I will not go away Edith.
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if you want to keep it, I suggest you pay for it in small amounts... like
noless than $1000 per month for 5 months OR continuously mailing me cheques
of $300 for the duration of caribisp's life OR maybe you can come up with
something that might interest me.
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Please pay me for the work done for CaribISP that you have not paid me
for... This is US$5000 what you owe me.
Perhaps Edith would like to get her messages in the local newspapers?
by Anonymous
You alone Edith Hall are destroying our Island by not paying this person for all the hard work he has done. Look at all the bad remarks that are now comming out of the closet. No one will want to come here and work or for that matter vacation or invest here in the Turks. The internet is global.
Provo is a small Island she can not hide there and this page has not died down. I hear she is trying to get a new job? Who would want such a dishonest person.
HAVE US AUTHORIES INFORM IMMIGRATION TO ARREST HER
by Anonymous
If you have a signed contract by this Edith Hall person contracting you to form the website perhaps you can find a sympathetic law firm locally who can sue on your behalf? If not, suggest you contact the US authorities, who will issue a warrant for her arrest whenever she travels into the USA.
You should also copy all correspondence to the local Immigration Dept, the Attorney General and the Island's Governor.
The tourist board of TCI is now editting messages from thier website to ONLY allow good comments to be posted. People need to know how crapy and dangerous the islands are from drunk drivers to armed robberies.
This is going to be a page containing post from other people regad bad things that have happened in TCI... I will keep you informed about addresses once it is ready for launching in the next day or so. Another page in simular detail gets about 200-400 hits per day.
The Turks & Caicos Crapland Web site is an EXCELLENT IDEA! Visitors and Expaits alike should be treated honestly and fairly by Islanders and their government (labor board and immigration) when they pay big bucks to go the Turks & Caicos. Busines owners there should also think about how their busines and personal conduct (regarding paying of their bills as well as their business ethics) reflect the Island people and their future income. They are not the only Island and they are not an Island all their own. This new web site is the result of crap people get. What better way than to let the world know. The internet is a wonderful tool!
The people of the Turks and Caicos have Edith Hall to thank for the development of this new web site.
lease let me know whatever you can...Ill be there in 2 weeks unless I hear its so bad that I have to cancel my vaca with my family.Too bad...we spend about 6 to 7 grand on vacation.
I would go to the Bahamas. Less money for what you get, better facilities food etc. more to do, easier to get to from Miami. Nude bathing would not work with kids...
Expects lots of smoke from fires that are not suppose to be set causing breathing problems for the people and visibility problems for air traffic control.
The police seem to do nothing about this and it has been going on a long time. I had to vacate where I was staying (the smoke alarm went off and we could not breath). I was located a fair distance from the airport BUT fires that night were also being set out in the far bushes by illegal people who appear by boat and hide in the bush lands. Islanders blame the boat people for there high crime rate and the expaits there claim that the crime is caused by the Islanders who are from the Turks. Anyway, the police tried to tell me that it was only smog! How stupid the flames could even be seen at the airport. Every night there I feared that the winds would turn and smoke us out again from our home. Imagine smog setting the fire alarm off. How stupid do they think we are? These fires are purposely set off at night and nothing was done to stop it while I was there. The newspaper would mention the problems at the airport and the potential problems that it could cause. The good news is that the smoke appears to be less likely to occure on a afternoon flight for those who still want to go there. The night before will burn out and the fires again would be set around 5 like clockwork.
There is no down town. It is hard to have a good meal at a restaurant. Bank lines could take as long as 1-1.5 hours depending on the season. The roads are so bad that we had to get out of the car to lay rocks down to get to the Tikki Huts. This is a popular place to go but I would never take that road again and be stuck in the middle of no where. It was not that exciting anyway. Same sand with a couple of huts. Taxi drivers cannot speak English and could take you anywhere?? Problem is that they are ALL taxi drivers so watch out what car you get in. Their cars were not road worthy either. If you ever had an accident there you might not be able to get out of the car. They have only medic first aid and Dr's offices there. There are lots of accidents and wreaks on the side of the road. The roads are at best rocky and with lots of surprizes. I was afraid that I would chip a tooth while on transit. Extremely dusty. Lack of good water supply. Expensive at best.
The ocean is lovely and the skies are beautiful and the stars at night are incredible. How many Islands that that sound like to you?
There is nothing really to see other than that. There is nothing there really to buy. Same only T-shirts...
So what can you do? Just enjoy the ocean.
How many Islands are there in the Carribbean? I do not plan to go back to the Turks.
The fires were the icing on the cake. If the dust and lack of water didn't get to you the fire's smoke surely would. Smog - Ya Right.
if you look in the department of tourisms newgroup, you will notice that even the all inclusive resorts are getting complaints... one person said thier entire party got sick and they had no supplies or medicine to help them feel better. this was at beaches.
im moving to provo in june.
im a pilot for a well to do man and i dont know what to bring and or where to live, crime is a concern. my pay is in dollars and i will bank there. my main concern is medical and safety. im sure my employer has influence. i want to live on the beach but the crime deal is on my mind. will i be treated or lied to steal what i have. what protections should i take so i dont get ripped off. pleare help
DON'T TRUST ANYONE WHO IS FROM THE TURKS AND CAICOS ISLANDS. THIS IS THE ONLY SAFE ACTION TO FOLLOW! YOU CAN'T AVOID THE CRIME, YOU WILL DEFINATELY SEE IT WITHIN 2 MONTHS OF STAYING THERE EASILY. IF YOU STICK TO YOUR OWN WITHOUT SOCIALIZING WITH HAITIANS OR ISLANDERS, IT'LL GO RIGHT BY YOU. THE ISLAND WAY IS TO TRY AND COVER UP EVERYTHING POSSIBLE THAT IS WRONG.
MEDICAL FACILITIES ARE NON EXISTANT. THE MBS SAY THEY ARE MODERN, BUT THEY ARE MORE OF A MODERN CLINIC AND THAT IS LEFT TO THE IMAGINATION. IF YOU GET SICK, YOU ARE GOING TO FOR A FLIGHT TO THE STATES AND PAY FOR THE HOSPITAL VISITS THERE. NOT TO MENTION, YOU ARE NOT ASSURED YOU WILL HAVE YOU JOB WHEN YOU RETURN. I KNOW OF ONE LADY WHO LEFT FOR MATERNITY FOR 1 1/2 MONTHS AND SHE DIDN'T HAVE A JOB WHEN SHE RETURNED. AND SHE WAS ON CONTRACT!
BEST ADVICE TO GIVE YOU MY FRIEND, DON'T COME TO TCI!!!!! ALL THE PALM TREES AND BEACHES IN THE WORLD ARE NOT WORTH YOUR HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELL BEING, NOW REALLY, ARE THEY?
No matter who you work for or what influence they have (and they ALL do) it does not matter. You will be sorry the day that you arrive. There is NO medical services. You might not even get paid. There is a lack of good water. EXTREMELY expense at best. Don't bring good clothes - the water will wreck them. Chorine or the rust - what does it matter? If the wild dogs don't get to you the wild fires will and the drug dealers will be you NEW friends. The cops think that they are OK they buy all their drugs from them. What can I say Bill?
It is everything that that person wrote. Taxi drivers (anyone trying to pick up up that is) are something else. Everyone is trying to get a dollar from you and they are not taxi drivers. You would get less surprises if you just went to the Bahamas.
This post is to let the people know about the corruption and ill behaviour of Edith Hall of Turks and Caicos
Islands. Edith Hall, born on Salt Cay of TCI is the owner of TCI Online (CaribISP) and hired me to create
Internet Webpages for this new company. I brought on the complete design of TCI Online to the company in
trust that I will get paid for this work within a year. I have yet to see any of this money. I am demanding it to be
removed from the Cable and Wireless server since I don't wish it to be used by her now. To make things even
worse, she didn't pay the hosting bills for months and in tern Cable and Wireless suspended the page. Edith Hall
didn't tell the customers thier pages were not online for about 1 month. She even lied to Bonnies Rest. saying that
thier page was even online. I even was at a customers place when she was asking for hosting money in advance
while the page wasn't even up. She is not a good person to deal with.
For the month of September, I made about $2500 in commissions, since Edith Hall (who was responsible for
collecting money) never went around to get money, claimed I made nothing. I went to William Swan at the
Labour board to discuss the issue, and the next day she fired me without reason. I called her up and she simply
said, "I don't need a reason, I just want you off my island!"
There are so many things wrong that Edith Hall has done that are illegal and wrong to me and other people.
I want my works (estimated worth $8,000) to be removed immediately from the internet and this will all be over
in my mind.
I am not quite sure what it is that you are trying to say?
I have been there and done that - that is lived and worked on not only the Turks but other Islands. I thought that each place might be more promising than the last. Same thing happens to you just a different island.
The Island way is to make great promises to you. They wear a mask to their true intend. They smile at you NOT with you. If you have it in writing it doesn't make any difference. In the end they all stick together (Immigration, Labor, Legal you name it). Everyone knows someone and everyone needs to pay back a favor and you are the loser. All they have to do, and that is what is done, is JUST GET YOU OFF THE ISLAND. Next Expat please…
They get you there. You set up their business or partnership. You invest money and time. They invest little - because they are the island partners. You get everything going and it starts to make money - then they think they can do it without you. Then they ignore you, do not answer your questions, avoid your phone calls, fail to pay the company bills and they do not service the paying customer and consequently destroy their own business. They have very little education or knowledge of what they are getting themselves into. Next thing you know you are off the Island. Screwed for your time and money. The Islanders then go out and take the company money and buy a new car. No money in the bank but spends other people's money. Wow a new car.
It does not matter which Island you go to that is just "The Island Way".
In conclusion there is no way to protect yourself from being taken advantage of. You are at their mercy when you are on their turf.
I suggest that ALL EXPATS get together and not go to these Islands to work or invest.
Let them do all the work themselves. They think that they know more than you do anyway.
I retired early and planned to work on some island. Thank you for this message. I believe I'll stick to my second plan and go out to Utah and build. Thank You Eric
This is no place to retire. No medical facilities, expensive food at best, limited day to day living supplies. Also,forgot to mention when you go into some of the stores (eye glass repair place for example) they make you wait extra long if you are white. This happened to me several times. On the resort of course that does not happen.
Sound like you got srewed royally anonymous... It is very sad to see how people like edith hall can steal things and from people. You know, she calls herself an honest business person on the islands. i have sent her many emails asking her different ways to make me happy with her having the page, but she doesn't reply to emails. even her server asked her to reply to my emails, and still nothing. i got a huge list of over 900 email addresses of tci dialup accounts... pretty soon, i will be mailing them letting them know what she did....
it is not right that islanders steal from other people and get away with it. i doubt this would work on getting my money.. but you never know.
i do have almost all the cairibisp domain names to my disposal and the primary contact person... soooo i can remove these from the server if i really wanted to. she said to the server that she is worried about this, but as i said before, she never replies to my emails.
This is all I have to read to know what it is like doing busines with the Turks & Caicos Islanders. I will invest monies elsewhere. I do not like what I am reading on this page. Edith Hall's of the Turks - Shove it...Others should do the same.