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Is infant baptism and baptism by sprinkling biblical?

May 1 2006 at 12:48 PM
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Mockey 

There are religious systems that practice these types of baptisms and I just want to discuss with anyone who interested in this subject. I myself do not believe in this because I think that they were just man made modifications but are not biblical practises.

Mockey

 
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Anonymous

Its Biblical for baptism..."Bible never discuss how it was done"

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May 1 2006, 4:21 PM 

read the forum....and you get your answers. this subject matter has been discussed. In sort, its bibical for baptism.

 
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Believer

It is biblical

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October 14 2006, 2:27 PM 

Regarding infant baptism and baptism biblical? Yes it is biblical. You know why there was no infant baptism in the early christianity? Because the early Christians were unbelievers, that is why they were accepted into Christianity through the water, deep. Today, is different unless you are non_christian becoming Christian. Thats is why infant baptism is valid and biblical because Jesus said to his disciples, go to all the WORLD and baptist them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. That's all you have to say. So, I ask you this question,"if some one wants to be baptist is a desert what do you do? I beleive that you can use any liquid oil for baptism and still it will be valid. So don't treat the bible as a newspaper. God bless
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Anonymous

Re: It is biblical

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October 15 2006, 10:20 PM 

Treat the Bible as a newspaper? Then, tell me the exact scripture that says that infant sprinkling is biblical, so meaning there is a record of an infant being baptised in the new testament! For Jesus showed us the example which we should follow and he was dedicated as a baby but baptised as an adult. For an infant doesn't fully understand what baptism means and I'm sorry to say that you don't don't either.

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Rocky

Where is the Biblical support?

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October 16 2006, 11:23 AM 

What in hell do you know about the Bible!

Dwell on biblical evidences rather than men-made emotions and assumptions. Where in the bible does it outlaw infant baptism? That posting you responded to holds more water than your empty assumptions. At least he used the bible to back him up.

You are making a grand job shooting yourself in the foot, then putting that big foot in thine mouth. You are dwelling on man-made definitions rather than biblical premises. You must quote from the bible where it says sprinkling/pouring of water and infant baptism are unholy and that full immersion baptism of adults only are the only way. Jesus says to baptise all nations, not adults. He said to baptise all nations "in the name of the father, the son and the holy ghost", not full immersion of adults only. In his conversation with Nicodemus, Jesus said to be baptised with water and in spirit, not full immersion of adults only. Why is the bible so silent about the style of baptism? If the form of baptism is so important, why did not the bible accentuate this, rather than men accentuating forms of baptism? So who is practicing men-made teachings?

You want to mention the bible, then quote from the bible to back you up. No wonder there are 32,000 false christian religions on earth because so-called ministers claim what they say is biblical and you jump up in joy, clap your hands and shout Hell-eluya without challenging those agents of the devil.

 
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Faithful

Good on you

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October 17 2006, 4:38 PM 

Good on you, if infant baptism is unholy than where does it says it. we all created in God's image and likeness as says in the book of Genesis, than it doesn't matter whether a infant is baptised.
Thanks mate

 
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La ilaha illAllah

seek forgiveness - do u think u look like God?!

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October 26 2006, 3:46 PM 

seek forgivness because you blasphemy against God when u say you are created in God's image.

Are you trying to say we look like God??!!!

This is your own vain desires.

Your book of Genesis also says God created light to diffrentiate between night and day before he even created the sun and the moon. Do u think he created the torch before the sun and the moon??? By the way, the moon is the reflection of the sun, not it's own light as your bible likes to claim.

Big fat contradictions on the first page of your book!

Keep reading your altered book and basing your life on conjecture.

 
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Anonymous

God created Adam and Eve

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October 31 2006, 5:00 AM 

Genesis 1:26 says: "Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creature that move along the ground.'..."

The Hebrew word here for God is "Elohim" which literally means: "The Gods El. It is plural; Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This is why He says; "Let us make man in our image..." I am 6 feet two inches tall and have a beard. This does not mean God looks like me. It means that just as God is a triune Being so He created Adam; spirit, soul and body, a triune being-three in one - a trinity in unity, just like God. Man has been created with an interlect, a moral and emotional nature which transcends instinct. We are able to communicate with each other - we are articulate with God too. Man's soul is his mind, will and emotion. He has the power to reason. Only mankind is created in the image of God with a spirit unlike animals and birds etc.



 
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La ilaha illAllah

There is only ONE God NOT three

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November 1 2006, 2:57 PM 

Don't you see your blasphemy against God?
If this is true, then why don't the jews - (who should know the hebrew language better then you) believe God is more then one.

Why do you and your christian friends claim that you can interpret a language you don't even speak??

Hebrew just like Arabic and Aramaic are sister semetic languages that the english language cannot compare to.

See how much the churches have indoctrinated you to the extent that you translate languages wrongly.

Firstly, what is the word for god/ diety in hebrew??
ELAH/ ELOH perhaps???

'IM' does not stand for plurality in the sense of numbers but plural for RESPECT.

Both the hebrew and arabic language use 'IM/IN' as a plural of honour.

This 'IM' is not only used with names for God but for all names which are entitled to respect eg. Muhammadim (hebrew)/ Muhammadin (arabic).

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"The suffix "IM" of the word "Elohim" is a plural of respect in Hebrew. (Remember that in Arabic and Hebrew there are two types of plurals. One of numbers and the other of honour as in Royal proclamations. Since the plural of honour is uncommon in the language of the European, he has confused these plurals to connote a plurality in the "godhead," hence his justification for his Doctrine of the Holy Trinity - the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.)
Hence ELOHIM = ELOH + IM. Now I want you to perform an exercise. Do you see the words : YA-HUWA ELOH-IM? Place your left hand index finger on the first two letters "YA" meaning oh! and the other index finger on the "IM" a plural of respect. What you now have remaining in Huwa Eloh or Huwa Elah. El in Hebrew means god, and Elah or Eloh also stands for the same name - god. Therefore, "Huwa el Elah" or HUWA 'L LAH, which is identical to the Quranic expression - Huwal lah hu (meaning : HE IS ALLAH) of the verse QUL HUWAL LAH HU AHUD ("Say: He is Allah the one and only.") (112:1).

The above exercise proves that El, Elah, Elohim are not three distinctly different words. They all represent the single Arabic word Allah." - (What is His Name? ; Allah in the Bible)
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/campus/3919/wihn.html
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When the Bible says "Let US" or "We" referring to God it doesn't mean there is more then one god.

Even the arabic language has this. Many times in the Qur`an you see God saying "We". Even when Islam is the purest monothestic religion, we have God saying "We" in the Qur`an.. but we understand what this means.
- This is just the language of honour and respect. Even royalties around the world use this same language referring to one person.

Stop following your vain desires. There is only one God -La ilaha illAllah, and only He is worthy of your worship.

..Also, where does you bible stand?? Were both men and women created in the image of God or is it only men?

"Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonours his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonours her head - it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved off, she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head" (I Corinthians 11:3-10).


 
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Confucious

Questions to you.

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October 17 2006, 11:39 AM 

Simeon circumcised Jesus the Christ when Christ was a mere an eight day old baby. When Christianity did away with circumcision, what did it replace circumcision with?

Over to you.

 
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Faithful

You read the Bible

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October 17 2006, 4:33 PM 

You read the bible yourself. And don't inteprete the bible like a newspaper because bible is a word of God. If the infant is created in the image of God, it is important to baptism him or her. Treat any human being from the womb to adults as image of God. Your concern is a narrow minded believe. Please see God in a bigger picture of his CREATION, (infant and Adult) all belong to God.
Faitful

 
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Ronny

Teach, Baptize & Observe ; Matt 28:19-20

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October 22 2006, 7:44 PM 

We don¡¯t have to go into conclusion, as a matter of fact, this issue is to be discussed openly and in a christian way. Fighting doesn¡¯t really depict the type of people we claim to be as christians.

First of all, I¡¯ve done a little bit of reading and found the passage that some one quoted from previously from Matt 28:19. I actually read the whole verse and and also verse 20 and it really made much sense;

Matt 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

It is true that the bible is not just a newspaper, therefore when we read, we must also think logically because these people in the bible times were not stupids, they were artisans and scholars.

Think about these 3 main points

[1] Teach all nations
[2] Baptizing them
[3] Observe all things / obey whatso ever Jesus commanded.

The question we have think about is;
Can we teach an infant, especially the bible doctrines? Because an infant will have to make a dessions to be baptised.
Can an infant observe all things that the Lord has commanded?

For more info, bout baptism, read John 1:28, John 3:23

Have nice day

Ronny

 
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Rocky

Re: Teach, Baptize & Observe ; Matt 28:19-20

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October 23 2006, 2:22 PM 

Ronny, I was watched Ps Mark Finley on the Hope TV Channel last night (Sunday about 9 pm, AEST). The pastor was preaching about the upsurge of Adventism in Russia and Poland. The pastor showed slides of his participation of baptism of Peter, a teenage Polish drug addict who had never heard of God. Peter had a tumour which has spread so fast that he only had days to live. Ps Finley happened to be preaching at a nearby town. Peter's mother heard of Finley's sessions and went to invite Ps Finely inviting him to her home to baptise Peter. In the pastor's own words, "What do I do? We were miles from any river, lakes or the sea." The pastor said he then asked Peter's mother to fill the bath tub with water, which she did. Then he baptised Peter in the bath tub by fully immersing Peter in the tub water. Peter lived one month as opposed to days of life, before cancer eventually claimed his life.

Problem with your posting in relation to Ps Finley's experience Ronny, is that Peter has not heard of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, yet he was baptised. Sounds inconsistent to me.

 
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Rocky

Ronny, let us disect the bible on the topic of infant baptism

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October 23 2006, 3:04 PM 


Ronny, the pratice of bible scholarship that you are adopting self-defeating and a topic can be argued willy nilly, depending on what your preconceived ideas are. The question that we should be studying is, does the Bible ever say that infants or young children can be baptised? The indications in the bible are clear.... YES!

In the New Testament we read that Lydia was converted by Paul’s preaching and that "She was baptized, with her household" (Acts 16:15). The Philippian jailer whom Paul and Silas had converted to the faith was baptized that night along with his household. We are told that "the same hour of the night . . . he was baptized, with all his family" (Acts 16:33). And in his greetings to the Corinthians, Paul recalled that, "I did baptize also the household of Stephanas" (1 Cor. 1:16).

In all these cases, whole households or families were baptized. This means more than just the spouse; the children too were included. If the text of Acts referred simply to the Philippian jailer and his wife, then we would read that "he and his wife were baptized," but we do not. Thus his children must have been baptized as well. The same applies to the other cases of household baptism in Scripture.

Granted, we do not know the exact age of the children; they may have been past the age of reason, rather than infants. Then again, they could have been babes in arms. More probably, there were both younger and older children. Certainly there were children younger than the age of reason in some of the households that were baptized, especially if one considers that society at this time had no reliable form of birth control. Furthermore, given the New Testament pattern of household baptism, if there were to be exceptions to this rule (such as infants), they would be explicit.

 
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Rocky

It has become so quiet on infant baptism.

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October 25 2006, 2:40 AM 


Fundamentalists, Batists, Pentecostals Charismatics etc etc believe and preach that baptism is not a sacrament (in the true sense of the word), but an ordinance. It does not in any way convey the grace it symbolizes; rather, it is merely a public manifestation of the person's conversion. Since only an adult or older child can be converted, baptism is inappropriate for infants or for children who have not yet reached the age of reason (generally considered to be age seven). Most of these Christian movements say that during the years before they reach the age of reason infants and young children are automatically saved. Only once a person reaches the age of reason does he need to "accept Jesus" in order to reach heaven.

The Apostle who wrote the book of Acts explained what happens at baptism when he said, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38). But he did not restrict this teaching to adults. He added, "For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him" (2:39). We also read: "Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name" (Acts 22:16). These commands are universal, not restricted to adults. Further, these commands make clear the necessary connection between baptism and salvation, a
connection explicitly stated in 1 Peter 3:21: "Baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."

As for the commandments of Jesus Christ, I totally concur with Ronny. Jesus taught us to observe his commandments, the biggest of which is LOVE for oneself and one's neighbour. When Jesus was asked, "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" he replied, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind' - this is the great and foremost commandment, and there is a second like it, 'You shall love your neighbour as yourself'. The whole Law and Prophets hang on these two commands." (Mtt 22:37-40, Mark 12:28-34). And Jesus pointed out, "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another." (John 13:34).

The teachings of Jesus on the commandments are detailed by His sermon on the mount, in Matthew chapters 5, 6, and 7.

 
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Infant Baptism.

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October 25 2006, 6:24 AM 

OK Rocky,
so Baptism enables one to wash away one's sins.

What "sin" has a baby accumulated? Or has a baby "original sin"? This is a concept I refute entirely, that of "original sin".

If this is so, (I may be labouring under a misapprehension) I would like your opinion on "original sin". What is it?

Curious......Ralph.

 
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Rocky

Re: Infant Baptism.

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October 25 2006, 6:36 AM 

I am apprehensive that you may indeed be labouring under misapprehension, Ralph. Did I mention original sin in any of my posting or merely interpretations on biblical texts in reference to infant baptism?

Yu yet nau.

 
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Just me I guess.

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October 25 2006, 6:52 AM 

No or yes Rocky,
you did not mention original sin.

I was merely trying to find out what sins a baby might have, to need washing away. "Original sin" was what a Catonlic nun told me, that even an infant had. Imwas not trying to put words into your mouth. Hehe.

Just an hypothesis.

Regards......Ralph.

 
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La ilaha illAllah

HELLO! haven't u heard?!

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October 26 2006, 3:55 PM 

Geez didn't you know?? The baby inherits the big fat sin that his great grandparents did in the garden of Eden!!
(Funny, even though the bible says no-one inherits the sins of their father - in other words no-one has the burden of another on them, everyone is accountable for themselves...)

You know, even though our great grandparents didn't discuss with us before they were going to disobey God, we still are accountable for what they did!

Unless ofcourse you take Jesus as your lord and saviour... (astaghfirAllah)!!

 
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I see.

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October 27 2006, 10:24 AM 

Thanks mate,
I did not know that.

Fortunately I am immune to most religious superstitons and beliefs. Whilst I know my history quite well, the nitty gritty of "Faith" eludes me. That is why I sometimes ask such basic questions.

"Original sin." Hmm. In the light of your explanation, it is even a stranger concept than I thought it was.

Regards......Ralph.

 
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Anonymous

Re: I see.

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October 28 2006, 5:32 AM 

Something essentially basic in the human anatomy must be missing.

 
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Missing bits.

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October 28 2006, 8:21 AM 

Oh! Anon,
and all these years I thought I must have had an extra bit.

Regards......Ralph.

 
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Rav4

Re: Missing bits.

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October 28 2006, 8:32 PM 

We baptise for the remission of sins. So, the erroneous concept of the need to baptise infants is no doubt due to the teachings of the churches of the day that little children are answerable for the original sin of Adam and Eve or the sins of their parents. This concept cannot be true if you believe in the atonement where Jesus died to atone for the sins over which we have no control: For as in Adam all die even so in christ shall all be made alive (1 Corinthians 15:22).

Appostle John also understood this doctrine when he wrote "I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake." (1 John 2:12).

So, Infants have no reason to be baptised. However, some churches baptise children to register them as church members to keep the tally up and minimise the chances of being influenced. This of course breaks God given principles of 'freedom of choice' and 'conversion' which are both absent in infants.

Tenkiu Tru

 
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Anonymous

Re: Missing bits.

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October 29 2006, 1:44 PM 

I Support your opinion rav4. Hence infants can only be blessed but can not be baptised.

 
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Anonymous

I too was baptised !

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October 30 2006, 9:33 AM 

So why the big fuss?

 
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Anonymous

True, true, true????????????

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November 2 2006, 3:18 PM 

You are joking, my God help this people, they are lost. They haven't seen you and yet they think they are right. God help us, please to know you more.

 
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Anonymous

Re: Missing bits.

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November 2 2006, 3:27 PM 

My goodness. No matter what culture we come from, we inherited everything from our parents. This is real and true. In the same, and in our christian belief all children because they are human beings, have inherited or born with the original. Catholic church is the only church Christ started by Christ himself, until 20 0r 15 years ago other churches were started by human creatures. I not being ruth here but this is the fact, and the BIBLE was kept by the Catholics from the First century up till today. Please respect the belief of the CHURCH which kept wwhat you belief today, who JESUs CHRIST.

 
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Rocky

TRU TRU

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November 3 2006, 8:08 AM 

The real truth that other recently formed church leaders have been hiding from their blind following fools. Trying to put interpretations into the bible, compiled and copied over the centuries with the intention to be read within the church. If they hate the Catholic Church, I have not seen them coming up with their own church literature. Tsk tsk.

 
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Rocky

Yu gat more?

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November 3 2006, 8:26 AM 

Do not take biblical verses out of context. 1 John 2:12 - 13 actually reads "I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake. I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father." (New KJV Bible).

So children "have known the father?" Then what becomes of the argument that only those who have known the father should be baptised? Ha, ha, ha ho, ho, ho!!

Now to your quotation of 1 Cor 15:22 which reads "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." Why did you quote that verse? Does it not refer to the fact that ALL will be resurected by the virtue of receiving christ through obligations such as baptism? The verse says ALL - not adults only. Traim gen bata.

I better get out of here before I die of laughing.


 
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Anonymous

Re: Yu gat more?

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November 3 2006, 12:20 PM 

Ha! Rocky, you wanpela well informed man stret yah long matters of faith and theology. Yu fit man nating. Wanbel!!!!

 
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Anonymous

Re: Yu gat more?

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November 3 2006, 12:41 PM 

Right man Rocky.

 
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BBC

Baptism: Jesus our Example

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October 28 2006, 6:38 PM 

On the subject of baptism, just as on any other matter pertaining to following Jesus, his example remains our sure and trustworthy methods and practice.

Hence, after reading through the forgone discussion on the subject of baptism and whether it should be administered only to adults or infants, may I add that one should go back to Jesus' own example, as the true model of baptism and basis to our own practices today.

Undoubtedly in many ways, we as Christian or Bible students run alot of risks and often confuses our selves, or others when we try to read more into alot of the NT accounts on the subject, or tries to hold to a view just because of church tradition.

I think you will agree that the Bible is simple enough to be understood and followed.

God bless

 
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Believer

Jesus our example?????

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October 31 2006, 12:39 PM 

Yes, Jesus is our example and to use a matter theme our model of Christian life. But He did not said that only adult baptism has to be practiced. Did God created every single human being from infant to adulthood in his own image? If yes, whats is your point? It is not sinful to baptise an infant or a grown up person. You don't go around confusing people with your rusbbish theology. We are al created in the image and likeness of God (pls read your genesis) and we are all in need of God's Mercy and Love. Infant or Adult, through baptism you are child of God.
God bless you too

 
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Anonymous

Re: Jesus our example?????

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November 1 2006, 8:28 AM 

children are pure, innocent and cannot sin. Adults have the ability to make their own choices and learn right from wrong and if they choose sin, or be baptised and take upon themselves the name of christ of their own free will.

 
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believer

Children are pure????

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November 1 2006, 11:52 AM 

All human beings are not God, so you can't say kids are pure. In what way a human being is pure because only God is pure. Tha't's why whether you are kid or adult you are in need of God's mercy which I believe comes through the waters of baptism. Check your theology right because it doesn't make any sense if you think about why God became human in Christ Jesus. God became human like you and I because we were all (kid and adult) affected by the sin.
God bless you

 
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Anonymous

Children are pure???? Yes they are

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November 1 2006, 1:11 PM 

How do children sin? They can't whan at a young age and are pure in the sight of god. They therefore do not need to be baptised until the time comes when they know right from wrong and can choose to take upon themselves the name of christ and choose to become christians for themselves.

Matt. 18: 3
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mark 10: 14
14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

 
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Believer

Are They???

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November 1 2006, 2:16 PM 

Please don't interprete the Bible literally. It is not a newspaper. It speaks about the spiritual insight. Are you saying, it is a sin to baptised an infant? Where does it says in the bible. I know that text which you quoted, it doesn't mean Children but means children of God as all are created in the image and likeness of God. Jesus said to his disciples, "GO to all the world and baptised everyone in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Did not say go and baptised ONLY ADULTS.

 
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Anonymous

Re: Are They???

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November 2 2006, 8:10 AM 

not exactly believer. They mean much more than "we are all the children of god." They tell us that we need to become as little children eg. teachable, obedient, humble and without sin. It teaches that those who do such a thing will inherit the kingdom of god (eternal life).

If children already possess the qualaties that god desieres us all to have than what need do they have to be baptised until they reach an age of accountability and can choose for themselves. If a child dies in infancy, having committed no sin, would god be a just god if he denied them eternal life just becuase they had not be baptized?




 
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Anonymous

really????

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November 2 2006, 11:18 AM 

No one is perefect. Whether kid or adult. You can not change from one thing to another. that's impossible. Your thoughts are new age beliefs. for the benefit of doubt we need to baptise every human being, from kid to adult because you don't know. Don't be confused by new age beliefs because it doesn't work.

 
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Rav4

Re: really????

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November 2 2006, 11:40 AM 

There is no 'benefit of a doubt' in God's language. Everything is definite His world. You should have faith and believe without a shadow of a doubt. If you do have doubt it is because the doctrine is made up.

 
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Anonymous

Hahaha

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November 2 2006, 3:16 PM 

Have you seen God, send me his photos. I only seen human beings created in the image and likeness of God.

 
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Re: really????

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November 2 2006, 12:01 PM 

anonymous you said my post comes from new age beliefs. Firstly i do not agree and secondly you have not given alternative answers to the thw questions raised in my post. Is it because you have none?

 
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Re: really????

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November 2 2006, 3:37 PM 

This this my point. Christ came not because there were some pure people (kids) and some bad people (ADULT). Christ came because everything was made imperfect by the sin of our first parents (read Genesis). I ask this question: "THERE IS NO POINT FOR CHRIST TO COME IF EVERYTHING OR every HUMAN BEINGS ARE PURE. Christ came to purify us, because there is nothing that can perfect our relationship with our GOD. So you can not argue that infant baptism is not right, because if you look at why Christ came, it can only make sense if chirst to come for sinners. Whether kid or adult we inherited the imperfection through our first parents. This God's promise was made when Adam and Eve have commited sin, go and read your bible if you are believer in the same God that I believe.

 
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Anonymous

Children are without sin?

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November 3 2006, 7:37 AM 

Children are without sin? How do you define children? Babies, up to age 7, 12, 19 years? I have children, the eldest is 15. Does the bible say he without sin? If that is what the bible says, then the bible is full of sh'ts.

 
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Re: Baptism: Jesus our Example

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November 2 2006, 3:52 PM 

You what??? That bible was kept safe and protected by Catholic monks and priests who died trying to stand for the truth about God. If these people haven't protected them, no one would have known anything God. So, let respect the tradition while preaching about conversion and baptism.

 
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Rocky

BBC, this one's for yu, but I know you won't.

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November 3 2006, 7:59 AM 

Challenge to you bible believing - you always perform marvelous feats putting your big foot into your mouth, don't you. You claim to be a Bible Believing Christian (BBC) which is hilarious as you have never tried to quote the Bible to back up your human made traditions - not Apostolic Traditions as your church came into being by a woman (bible preaches against women preachers, blind fools) some 1,800 years after the Apostles. You were supposed to be responding to my posting which has all bible quotations and yet you steer clearly away from them by not refuting my choice of biblical passages with bible passages. You have chosen to use human reasonings to confuse yourself. And you claim to be a bible believing chrsitian, whilst I never make such claim? Ironic, isn't it. Puffed up with human pride and misleads that your church knows a wee thing about the bible.

If Jesus is our example, then are we to be circumcised after 8 days of birth like Jesus did? Did he have a choice? When that pastor of yours almost drowned you his act of so-called baptism, did a dove hovered above you and a voice from heaven blasted the silence declaring you are His beloved Son? If not, then you are just a plain hypocrite that I have been calling you over the years. Litlle has changed. Your church hierarchy cannot do better than you except blind you with craps. Blind confused fool you have become. Get out of there before its too late. I have done that already because I am not a blind confused fool. Followers of your faith including yourself who try to dispute my claim have been finding that they have exhausted your movement's human doctrines but to no avail.

 
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Anonymous

Re: BBC, this one's for yu, but I know you won't.

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November 3 2006, 12:40 PM 

You fool. Come back to the mother church. Or else you'll finished in fire. Hahohahooooooooo. Laughing at you confuseed person. You can'nt talk about God who is unseen without talking about the reality of life here on earth which is created by GOd. You come back to the Church of God, started by Christ himself through his Apostles.

 
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Re: Teach, Baptize & Observe ; Matt 28:19-20

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November 2 2006, 3:46 PM 

Now tell me, why did Jesus came at the first place. I beleived that Jesus came because human beings were in sin. I don't think he would come if there were some pure people in this world. The reason he came is, to save every human beings. Not jsuut adult but Every single human being.

 
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Re: Teach, Baptize & Observe ; Matt 28:19-20

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November 3 2006, 9:24 AM 

If a child dies and is not baptised does he go to hell? That is the question that needs to be answered if does go to hell. what for? It has not sinned how can an infant sin. Ang original sin is nonsense. Man must be punished for their own sins and not for adams transgressions.

 
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Re: Teach, Baptize & Observe ; Matt 28:19-20

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November 3 2006, 12:46 PM 

You fooooooooooooooooooool. You don't know the scripture. When jesus said, be like little children, he doesn't mean turned into a Child. Even when Jesus said to Nicodimus, Be Born again, he didn't mean go back to your mother womb and come out again. You fools, don't intepret sripture as a newspaper. Every human being inherited the sin of Adam and Eve because there are our first human perants. If you don't understand that simple message of God, don't confussed your self.

 
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John

GOD SAID: "BABIES NEED NO BAPTISM"

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November 4 2006, 6:48 AM 

Hahahahahhaahhahah......bratssooo....!!! I dont know who you are but id like to see ur face at Judgment Day, damn...!!! it'd be be so funny...and sad too....anyways..!!

My brother or sister, im sure this has already been brought up but since we humans are sooo staborn, id just have to remind u again.
Babies or infants or even little children need to know right from wrong before they can even decide to be baptised. I mean its common sense and anybody who has it would agree. I mean what is the whole purpose of being baptised...?? I would think, it is to be washed clean from your sins. And again, what is sin...I would think it is willfully and knowingly doing that which is agianst the will of our Hevenly Father.

And therefore, if babies, infants and children cannot undestand what sin is....WHY all this tok about infant baptism...??? It is total blasfemy against God to baptise a child because a child is sinless.

And my brother, DONT worry about father Adam and mother Eve, we dont inherit sin from them. That is pure false doctrine percieved by man and his vain imagination enticed by the Devil himself to instill doubt and fear into the hearts of God's child. Every man is accountable for his own his and not for Adam's sin.


God bless you all for the search for Truth.
Amen

 
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Re: GOD SAID: "BABIES NEED NO BAPTISM"

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November 6 2006, 4:47 PM 

Hahaha. Your bible support please? Hahaha.

 
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GOD SAID: "BABIES NEED NO BAPTISM"

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November 4 2006, 6:49 AM 

Hahahahahhaahhahah......bratssooo....!!! I dont know who you are but id like to see ur face at Judgment Day, damn...!!! it'd be be so funny...and sad too....anyways..!!

My brother or sister, im sure this has already been brought up but since we humans are sooo staborn, id just have to remind u again.
Babies or infants or even little children need to know right from wrong before they can even decide to be baptised. I mean its common sense and anybody who has it would agree. I mean what is the whole purpose of being baptised...?? I would think, it is to be washed clean from your sins. And again, what is sin...I would think it is willfully and knowingly doing that which is agianst the will of our Hevenly Father.

And therefore, if babies, infants and children cannot undestand what sin is....WHY all this tok about infant baptism...??? It is total blasfemy against God to baptise a child because a child is sinless.

And my brother, DONT worry about father Adam and mother Eve, we dont inherit sin from them. That is pure false doctrine percieved by man and his vain imagination enticed by the Devil himself to instill doubt and fear into the hearts of God's child. Every man is accountable for his own his and not for Adam's sin.


God bless you all for the search for Truth.
Amen

 
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Re: GOD SAID: "BABIES NEED NO BAPTISM"

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November 4 2006, 5:29 PM 

There is no truth!

Phuck religion! any religion for that matter!

Believe in yourself and GOD!

AMEN!

 
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November 5 2006, 7:10 PM 

Babies need no baptism untill they can choose a religion for them self or should I say they reach an age of accountability like 8 yrs old and around there. how do I know ??Eight people were save in the ark when the earth was baptised during the time of Noah,.....

 
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Hahaha

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November 6 2006, 4:50 PM 

GIAMAN TU I ORAIT. HAHAHAHA

 
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