"For verily I say unto you, that whosoever shall say unto this mountain, be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith." (Mark 11:23, KJV)
We all have a measure of faith. Faith is having the ability to see clearly from within your heart (not our physical eyes) .I believe our faith activates our Pineal Gland in our brain , which helps us in the visualization process of seeing thing having a clear picture from the heart connecting to the head ( brain)
The pineal gland was called the "third eye" by ancient people. It was thought to have mystical powers. This may be why the French philosopher Descartes decided that the pineal gland was the seat of the human soul, the location of what we call the mind.
Jesus saw peace in the midst of a storm. (Text if found in Mark 4:35-41)The disciples of Jesus saw a storm, they have seen and experience it before, things were looking bad, their panic buttons were on, and they were reacting to an external circumstance triggered by the five senses. They knew they were going under water this was no joke, they were going to hit headlines of the 6 Oclock news and front page of all print media. That is all natural and part of the human experience (empirically reaction fine) but do we have to be victims of circumstance and just accept things as they unfold.
Often true reality is distorted because we are prone to interpret reality through our five senses and empirical thinking. It is true that our perceptions frame our reality and we interpret life through the lens of our experience, culture and knowledge attained.
Jesus our master and teacher who with them (disciples) in the boat completely aware of what was happening slept in peace while in the storm. He then got up having been woken by his disciple ordered the wind to stop and immediate there was calm in the area. He then proceeds on saying to his disciples Why are you so fearful? How is it that you have no faith? Faith sees circumstances differently What is your mountain, your storm and what do you see? What moves us has power over us. The concept of peace, truth and liberty is not confound to a dogma, creed, religion or philosophy but in essence is a person and Jesus was peace in the mist of the storm. He is the prince of peace. (Is 9:6) When we connect with Him (Jesus Christ) His reality becomes our reality. We will go through the storm of life and win making him the captain of our ship.
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Faith gets people into a personal discovery, would not say trouble.. cause faith is the ability to see the impossible . It operates outside of logic and sense. Faith is a knowing just like knowing that oxygen we breath is real.We can't see oxygen with our physical eyes but we know that there is oxygen and the evidence is clear. The notion that " ..
....something that doesn't exist" no longer holds water within the scientific community cause creation reveals intelligent design (and both parties of the argument aggree with an intelligent design for the universe)
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You obviously don't read any science articles on the internet if you think intelligent design has gotten much support in the scientific community. Precisely the opposite!
I can't help but think that most of those on this forum who promote faith and contest science are going through the world with very, very dark sunglasses to keep out any contradictory evidence to their personal beliefs.
Faith can exist in the mind of one person alone. Science & technology would have never progressed if it were not through the active arguments and debate of countless thousands of scientists, competing with each other to find the truth, going on decade after decade.
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Faith is the ability to see the impossible? I agree with you fully-which is what the problem is of having too much faith. Strong faith frees people to imagine things which never existed and never will exist but because they have faith in it, their brains continue to go down the wrong road until they fall off some kind of cliff.
Example:
Johnny had faith that he would win the lotto someday. So each paycheque he spent on the lotto because his faith was so strong. Each time he lost, he had faith that the next time he would win. And so he spent and spent until he spent his family into bankruptcy and lost his wife and kids. But still Johnny had faith that someday he would win the lotto and his family would come back to him. The day he died, he was ready to spend his next toea on the lotto.
Johnny's faith destroyed his life on earth.
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This kind of story is repeated again and again in our real world. Not necessarily mis-placed faith that destroys families, but mis-placed faith that ends up making people look stupid.
The reason why this continues, generation after generation, is that we act as if there is mis-placed faith versus properly placed faith. Faith is faith is faith. When faith is so strong that it dominates over our 5 senses ability to look around us and see the reality of the situation, then faith becomes destructive, whether it relates to obsessive gambling or an obsession to ignore any scientific findings that don't fit the scripture OR twist our interpretation of those scientific findings so that they seem to fit scripture (even though they don't).
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Science reveals details that God Exist and his Word( The Bible) is true.
The Bible provides an overal view ( science seeks to prove in detail)
Albert Einstein Said,"Science without Religion is lame and Religion without science is Blind"
Check the paper he presented
http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/einstein/einsci.htm - 37k
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The bottom line between science and the bible is that the bible does not attempt to prove the existence of God it simply states "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth " Gen1:1
We can choose to accept that or choose not to accept because that statement creates the premise of interpretation.( A bias pro God, pro creation and pro bible or not )
No one was out there in the beginning of to tell us how man got to planet earth, how the universe came into existence and science attempts to explain that with theories and the bible simple gives the narrative of creation of how it happen. They both are a beliefs system ,both are bias one attempts to prove and the other simply states so you choose cause the evidence is the same( man is here, and the universe is here)
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Exactly. Which is why those who believe the Bible's words literally are just closing their eyes, since there is so much that science has found that goes directly against these Bible stories. Starting with Adam and Eve!
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Psalm 139:14-17.
Taking the King James Version of 1611, that 20th Century medical science has no influence on the translation of the Bible, this is what King David, the shepherd boy who became king of Israel wrote 3000 year ago, having no science education, nor a chance to google, copy and paste like I did. Quite fascinating.
Vs 14. That man is fearfully and wonderfully made...meaning any mistake, any error by the Creator and man would cease to exist.
Vs 15. When a human is conceived and made in secret, God observes its formation from the very fist second of fertilisation,
Vs 16: God saw the pre-embrionic substance, even before it made any sense to anyone, their parts or members were written, which was continually taking form! 'yet being unperfect'...oh the language by David under inspiration by the Creator Himself! God saw and recorded all parts of the body in heaven, even when none had been formed yet...the heart was already assigned to the body before it was formed. The perfect blueprint by the perfect Creator who continues to perform the miracle of creation in every human at birth. Which other religious document records this powerful testimony of God having a hand in every human born into this world in vivid technicality. Jesus confirmed it: Even the very hairs of your head are numbered, does not mean the total number of hair on your head but each hair on your head is serialised, has its own identity.
Vs:17 And we are still precious in God's eyes, because each human specimen is special and unique, so precious that He spared not his Son to redeem them from the fall to Himself.
That, my friend is the heart of the story of God, God's story, His Story, History...from creation till now. There is no sweeter story than the story of God loving man enough to restore fallen man to Himself.
14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made:
marvelous are thy works;
and that my soul knoweth right well.
15 My substance was not hid from thee
when I was made in secret,
and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect;
and in thy book all my members were written,
which in continuance were fashioned,
when as yet there was none of them.
17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God!
How great is the sum of them!
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I can guarantee you that King David didn't use the word pre-embryonic or anything close to that. Once again, the biased human hand of translation has altered the Bible!
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@ Manage your expectations - quite right. David did not use the term pre-embriotic. It was in my comments. But the concept carried in original Hebrew and translated into English is very much the same. Fearfully and wonderfully made - nature cannot deliver intelligent humans in a billion years or more.
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The space shuttle well remembers where it evolved from. It evolved from a wheeled carriage after the horse was chucked out. It then developed an engine after which one species took off into the air because it wanted to fly! The ones on the ground evolved further into trucks, cars and buses. Once in the air the plane got rid of its wings as it needed to travel to the moon and thus became a rocket. But the rocket got tired of falling into the oceans upon return and had to grow wings again. Now that's how we got the space shuttle. So the plane, bus, truck, space shuttle and rocket all have a common ancestor - the horse and buggy!
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Non-christian analyses of these things come to exactly the same conclusion. So do other religions. These are universal truths, not tied to any 1 religion.
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Thanx4 sharing ,You are right all religions subscribe to an element of truth. Christians
or non-Christians, Whether you are religious a christian or from a non christian background , an atheist or an agnostic regardless, man was created to connect to truth,to know,understand and experience truth.The difference with Christianity is having a living relationship with a living person (Jesus Christ) and that is the difference.Truth is a person not a concept or a set of religious teachings. John14:6 Jesus declared he is the truth.
Any serious person seeking truth should do research and find out for themselves. This claim Jesus made about himself that: He is the truth, He is way ,He is the life cause that sets Him a part from being more than just a religious teacher,prophet or guru .
CS Lewis one of the greatest minds of our time an atheist who later become a christian said this concerning Jesus , " Jesus Christ is either a liar,a lunatic or He is telling the truth" .
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Intelligent design,
it is a belief that uses pseudo science, to propound its dogma.
Let me deal with only one of its sclaims. Eyes have to bve designed. You cannot have "half an eye". This is quite ingenuous. Of course you cannot have half an eye. However there are many animals, with eyes in various stages of development. If an organism has a need for an eye, it will devop one. Some of the bottom dwelling fish, start off with an eye on each side of their bodies like any normal fish. One eye gets absorbed, and a new one develops on thwe top-side of their bodies, thus giving them two eyes again.
The trouble is with the intelligent design people themselves. They learn their spiel off by heart. The moment you knock down one myth, they come up with three more. Thereby proving you wrong (to their eyes). For like all people who respect science, I have to go away, do my research, and come back with the answer. I am not so brainwashed, that I have the answers to everything at my fingertips.
Intelligent design is a dangerous cult. It mixes religious dogma in with pseudo science, to convince the less educated, and the gullible. Its exponents learn their "creeds" better, than the most devout Catholic. The moment anyone starts off with the staement "I believe" I realize I have encountered a closed mind. If someone says: "I think." I know I have a chance of discussing something logically with them.
I belive Santa Claus is waltzing around with the Easter Bunny, arm in arm with Elvis, in a shed in the Mohave Desert, where they staged the landing on the Moon. PROVE ME WRONG! One small step backwards for reason, one large step forward for dogma.
Regards......Ralph.
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Actually the first thing that occurs in embryogenesis is the formation of the Notochord, which is a tube like structure filled with ectodermal cells, it is also called the neural tube. The ectodermal cells differentiate into neural cells and form the primitive CNS. The heart is formed from a sinus that folds on itself and twists, it is made of mesodermal cells, for the muscle, but ectodermal cells for the valves and nodes (pacemaker).
Interestingly science has discovered that most organs in the body can function independantly of the brain. However before we go too far and decide that we don't need this or that, think carefully, you're brain's function is to keep as much important information as possible while ignoring the rest. The brain is actually a file management system, it recieves input from all organs (internal and sensory) and uses them to identify the most appropriate response for each in relation to all other organs. Therefore if the heart needs to pump faster, it increases blood flow to the adrenal glands and sends synaptic waves to the gland as well to increase the production of Adrenaline (Epinephrine). The heart on its own regulates how it beats in terms of speed and contractility, the brain only steps in if there is a need in another part of the body that the heart doesn't realise.
So we are independant of each other, we function and live as individuals, yet when we are a part of the body of Christ he is our guide to what we all need to do in order for the body to function. As the head of the Church, Christ, is like the brain, seeing, sensing, knowing all, and we are like the individual cells caught up in our own little region. God instructs us to fulfil a certain function, that may have results on ourselves, locally or distantly.
You are fearfully and wonderfully made.
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@Wim2011..Interesting that most organs in the human body function independent of the brain. I guess the concept that the mind as non local but every in the human body might have some bearing to that what are your thoughts just curious. That is right we are truly and wonderful created.
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No, they don't function independent of the brain. Yes, some functions may be independent of the brain, but overall coordination is still by the brain. Obviously you've never studied biology or at least never learnt it well!
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The heart and brain communicate with each other via nerve fibers running through the spinal column. However, in a heart transplant, these nerve connections are severed and do not reconnect for an extended period of time, if at all. The transplanted heart functions in its new body using its own intact, intrinsic nervous system. An intricate network of several types of neurons, transmitters, proteins, and support cells allow it to function as an independent organ. The combinatorial memories from the donor in these nerve cells operate independently and send its neurological impulses to the brain through various alternate pathways. These impulses reach the medulla, located in the brain stem, where they have a regulatory role over many of the blood vessels, glands and organs. Those impulses exercise new controls over the emotions experienced by the heart transplant recipient.
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The findings do not surprise me. It seems to work to a higher degree in other animalss too. A cockroach can live for nearly a week, after you cut its head off.
So, something other than its brain, is still enavbling it to keep functioning. Its neural system is different to ours, but, I imagine the rest of its body knows how to keep operating. Weird eh?
My theory is that "Cellular Memory" works similarly to "Muscle Memory", but at a higher level.
Let me explain how "Muscle Memeory" works, for those who don't know. A mate of mine who Wrestled at elite level, bet me I could not lift a weight he used for exercising. Now. I weightlifted at National level for years. I trained from 12 years of age until 50 years. I was 65 at the time.
Righto! i just cleared my mind, took a couple of depp breaths, and hoisted the weight overhead, in the classic style. He still doesn't believe I did it, and is still trying to emulate what I did. He, incidentally, is unable to duplicate what i did.
The point of theis rambling discourse, is to illustrate what I refer to as "Muscle Memory". By clearing my mind, I let my body free, to dio what it was trained to do. ( three times a night, 2-3hrs a night, for most of my life) Proprieception comes into this also, of course.
Cellular Memory. An interesting field of study for a thesis, no?
Regards......Ralph.
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Your explanation of muscle memory is slightly off, in actual fact it isn't that the muscles have memory but that they retain their efficiency and power. Very impressive too. In actual fact muscle memory comes from the cerebellum along with the midbrain (pons, medulla etc). Movements that are repeated over and over again get stored here at the terminus of the lateral spinothalamic tracts, which carry the sensory signals to the brain, from here they go to the cerebellum (testicular looking lobes at the base), and the cerebrum (brain proper). Over time the brain recognises both the repetitiveness and that its time would be better spent on other things and, in a yet to be identified way, tells the midbrain to send the signal modifed accordingly each time a trigger is pressed. Triggers can be words "sign/sign here", actions "crouching over the weight", smells "turning to a nice smell", etc, muscle memory for most tasks is engrained in childhood, and techniques learned then are more easily recalled as they are usually stronger. Therefore the wisdom of solomon stands, 'Train up a child in the way he is to go and when he is old he will not depart from it'.
Wim2011
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Very eurudite answer Wim,
never thought of it that way.
Like most sportsmen (ex), I always found that thinking too much hindered performance. Thus even though I am en engineering bloke, I never looked into my sporting prowess that analytically.
One question though: How do you explain proprieception? And why some naturally have it, and others not? When one is identifying potential talent (for weighlifting) at schoolboy level. Propriecetion, at a high level, is one of the most important abilities. Along with basic physique type, and speed, of course.(ie. A predominance of fast twitch muscle tissue)
Regards......Ralph.
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Proprioception is inborn into every person, it is actually a sense (in the same way as vision and hearing, etc). Proprioception is joint position sense, it helps the body to keep track of where it is at any given moment. It does this to maintain stability and allow more fluidity of movement. As you can appreciate, the body is quite complex, one of the reasons i believe in God, each sense is built to compliment the next, and not only that but to enhance functionality as well, joint position, balance, vision and muscle twitch are all fed into the midbrain and the cerebral cortex, making unique connections, and all contributing to the body's ability to run at awkward angles.
As with most things in the body, the connections make the difference, it is usually not the amount but the path taken which contributes to quality of the result. Atheletes have an amazing sense of balance and body position, (Semi-circular canals and Proprioceptors respectively). The reason these senses are important to an athlete is that body position and movement are key components to it. You can train someone to improve but you can only do that until their full potential is achieved. That means that someone who is unco-ordinated cannot become a brilliant sportsman/woman, but someone with raw potential can be improved to superstar status. Sports people break down things into smaller and smaller parts, concentrating on improving one aspect, for example proprioception, but in reality it is the sum of the whole that makes the difference. Improving and training a child while they are young makes them acquire connections through the body's need. So a child can have raw talent from their parents, but when trained at a young age they acquire a more solid base, and this can be further improved upon later in life, by repetition.
Hope that answers some of your questions.
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