If it makes no sense that subatomic particles were "just there" how much more sense does it make that God was "just there"?

WHERE did the subatomic particles come from?

WHERE did God come from?


I leave it to you scientists and Christians alike to stop running away from the critical issue. NOTHING can just start from nothing and that includes God.

the problem with us humans is that we think in terms of TIME. Our world is bound by time. So to us humans we think interms of a beginning and an end. But what we must understand is : God is not limited by time !

God is OUTSIDE of time. I know we cannot comprehend this with our human minds,bieng made to think interms of a beginning and an end. But think of it this way ... God himself said "I AM THE BEGINNING AND THE END".

That to me says that he is outside of our limits , we are like goldfish in water . We are limited by time ,like gold fish are limited to the bowl of water there in. God is not limited like us .

It's not an issue of time. It's an issue of origin.

Try again.

origin= point in time when it started = time

WHO did the creation should be the most basic question for all Christians.

...so why should there be a beginning, and an end?....why couldn't conciousness just be?...

fish-works

yeah. just like evolution. It could "just be". One doesn't have to invoke a God to explain things that "just are"!

All roads of inquiry leads back to God, the originator of all things. But the God the Bible, the one and only true God is rejected because he lays down rules and men don't like it. The universe and planets have rules and order and so should mankind if there is to be peace, harmony and order. But man thumbs his nose at God, wanting to do things his way and the result is evident in men's affairs, forever failing and always short of the mark.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. How? By the power of his word, ex nihilo.
This God is capable of speaking matter into orderly existence.

This God reigns from everlasting to everlasting. Time means nothing to him as he exists outside of time, space and matter. If God existed only in the physical realm he would cease to be God because he would be subject to death and decay. This mind that we use to think this through has its origins from a powerful and thinking God. A thinking mind generates thinking minds.

Let's talk origins. Now is there an OriginaTOR of all things? A quick look at the sun says it all. There is an originator. Who bought the gas to run that machine up there? Has it been burning from eternity past? Of course not. We can not talk of origins without an originator.

Whatever your answer is, it's based on faith.

The Christian Bible says God is the originator of all things. That God has no beginning nor end.
That has to be taken by faith. Our created minds are limited to process that concept. We are placed on a timeline, in a physical realm, subject to birth, life and death, so is the universe, as matter it is finite, it had a beginning and it will end.

All things physical are subject to death and decay.

The God of the Bible is not affected by cosmic origins, alterations or demise.

When Moses was seeking God's authorisation to lead his people, God identified himself as I AM THAT I AM. Strange. But that predicates his timelessness. 'There is no time when I am not', is what God is saying here.

When Jesus was confronted by his detractors, he made a stunning statement: "Before Abraham was, I AM". (Abraham lived some 1500 years before Christ). That's incorrect English already as real time grapples with God's timelessness. Before Abraham existed, He existed as the Creator God, even before Adam.

Let the Bible be itself. If you cannot agree, keep looking. You have every right to originate your own philosophical thought or religion. You have that freedom. But do not trash Christianity or its followers.

This is a faith page and faith is the central theme. If you're an atheist crashing into a faith party, trying to sell your nothingness, feel free, but you have nothing on your shelf.

And where did the originator come from and how could there be a male originator without a female God?

apo to answer your question . What your speaking of is an androgenic god -occults have those . They are a father and mother god.

This father-mother god concept is not biblical otherwise the Lords prayer would be "our parents who arth in heaven hallowed be thy names ...."

But we're made in God's image and Jesus on earth had a penis, so Jesus must have been male so God must have been male -------- ????????????????

Having the image or likeness of God means, in the simplest terms, that we were made to resemble God. Adam did not resemble God in the sense of Gods having flesh and blood. Scripture says that God is spirit (John 4:24) and therefore exists without a body. However, Adams body did mirror the life of God insofar as it was created in perfect health and was not subject to death.

The image of God refers to the immaterial part of man. It sets man apart from the animal world, fits him for the dominion God intended him to have over the earth (Genesis 1:28), and enables him to commune with his Maker. It is a likeness mentally, morally, and socially.

Mentally, man was created as a rational, volitional agent. In other words, man can reason and man can choose. This is a reflection of Gods intellect and freedom. Anytime someone invents a machine, writes a book, paints a landscape, enjoys a symphony, calculates a sum, or names a pet, he or she is proclaiming the fact that we are made in Gods image.

Gutpela totok lo displa samting yumi kolim taim. Taim em wanpela bikpela samting stret.Na mi laik save wanem samting ibin kamap bipo lo taim blo Papa Got.

" Scientists say that subatomic particles were just there" ....

Well buddy ,theres something that you should know about the human cell and how complexly designed it is: a human cell has as many information in it as there are LETTERS in books in the worlds largest library !

Dude seriously how could something like that just come up by accident from a random explosion of a "nothingness" in space? tell me if a fully ,ready to be used dictionary can result from a printing shop exploding ? there has to be someone who created it right ?

God only tells us what we need to know . And he does , he says "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End " - Revelations 22:13

Thats all we need to know for now ,while we are alive here on earth.

The question to ponder is "why belive scientists when they are humans who were never there in the begining when the foundations of the earth were layed ? when the sea was seperated from the sky ? when the first human was made from clay ? scientists cannot prove what nationality Adam was ? .So why belive them when they say this complex particles were just "there" ..no body created them , they were just there sitting in the corner waiting for the right time to shine and form every living and non living thing.

Scientists cannot prove what happened in the past ? thats beyond science.

nature points to a creator. Creation can be scientifically tested to prove its authenticity . it says all creatures came from there own kind -scientifically right. But evolution says creatures came from other creatures - science cannot prove this.

The bible can be scientifically tested. Its also mentions something about health and how it is effected by the mind-scientifically correct.

The bible is correct according to good science not bad science like evolution and ice age.

God created this thing we call time. He set the time that the moon come out and the sun to hide. He set the time the sun come out and the moon to hide . He programed them in such a way that they almost act like they are humans and know there separate appointed times, so that they both dont appear at the same time and cause chaos .Cool eh ?

He even set the time for all seasons and the time for all animals to migrate . And they themselves know this exact time ...becouse he implanted it within there thinking patterns like he did with us . Again shows that we and them were created by the same God.


AMAZING !!!!!!!!

yes God is outside of time (like the guys above said). something that we cannot even begin to fathom with human intellect . And he did create time along with us ..so time is a created thing to

So.... before God created time, where was God? And what or who created God?

your using limited human intelligence again ...

God is eternal , like our souls are. When we die our souls live on forever. Just like what God is . When God made us he made us like him = eternal beings but he place us in a physical body that will stay for only a certain number of years and then stop working. But our soul will live forever wether in hell or heaven .

This is also where "made in the image of God comes from"

Athiests do not have a logical explanation of the things around them and creation. They believe it came about by nothing only accidental combing of particles. How lazy and illogical is that explanation. Simply they dont have an explanation for anything !
I suppose the satellites in space got themselves up there without any help ????? and they built themselves and designed themselves ?????

And the car running on the road , that came about by accident to ? it just popped up one day in you yard with the keys and patrol in it ready for a cruise down town ???? i suppose it just popped out of thin air ??? atheists are very funny people.

The God of the Bible declares that He has no beginning and no end. That has to be taken by faith. There is no other way of explaining that.

Let me simplify this.

When you ask about who made God, you're searching for another God, one greater than this God. For the sake of argument, you keep going until you reach the first God. Who made that first God is still your question, which is a valid one.

The God of the Bible has an answer for that in Isaiah 45:5&6 (KJV).

"5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else."

This super-powerful God says he's searched the entire universe, looked back into time and reports that there are no other gods (apart from the fallen demons that fool people into worshiping idols as false gods around the world which God expressly forbids their worship in Exodus 20.)

Since you're such a strong believer in faith, may I ask you to have faith that you;ll survive swimming from POM to Cairns. Go for it!!!!

that is blind faith your proposing . What your saying is similar to what the false teachers of those cults that tricked hundreds of there followers to have faith to do harmful things to themselves. And they did it and got killed. Your having a cult type of faith buddy.

For a christian, time is created by God who lives eternity.In eternity there is no time...eternity is timeless. when we come below heaven, we are subject to time.Time is a disruption in eternity, God took a portion of eternity and called it time.He put us in time but He does not live in time.We are eternal beings.We came from God in eternity past, (Ff1:1-5),we existed with God in the past even before the creation of the world.God took us out of eternity and put that eternal being in a suit called the body and timed it.This body must live in time, in other words, this body has an expiry date and the eternal spirit must return to God in eternity.So you are a spiritual being trapped in a timed body. The average for PNGean is 78 years afterwhich time the suit called the body reaches its expiry date. All of us have that inbuilt tendency not to die.We do not want to die. We want family and friends to live on. We cry and wail when a family member dies...the deep feeling of wanting to live on is simply the nature of God's deposit of eternity in us. God gave us time so we live life for his purposes.No ones live on earth forever...it appointed to us a time to die.We are programmed to live in time and that is the TRUTH.