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Seeking answers to big"Mystery Ape"

August 9 2003 at 12:34 PM
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Interesting read Jimmy...

August 9 2003, 2:23 PM 

Thanks for posting it.
For those who don't like doing the link thing, here's the article...


Seeking answers to big 'mystery ape'

Clues to new ape species?


By Marsha Walton
CNN
Saturday, August 9, 2003 Posted: 11:05 AM EDT (1505 GMT)

(CNN) -- From a remote region in the heart of Africa to a genetics lab at the Omaha Zoo, scientists are trying to find out if they have a new big ape on their hands.

"It doesn't look much like a gorilla, it doesn't look like a chimpanzee," said primatologist Shelly Williams, who captured a bit of video of the female mystery ape with a baby.

Pictures of the rare ape are scarce. Wildlife photographer Karl Amman, who was first to spot the mysterious mammals a few years ago, said the animal has feet that are about two inches bigger than the average gorilla and is more flat-faced than other apes. Its behavior also sets it apart from other apes, researchers say.


A skull belonging to a 'mystery ape,' on
the left, is placed next to a chimpazee
skull for comparison. Researchers say
the mystery ape is much more 'flat-
faced' and substantially bigger.


The mystery ape often sleeps in big ground nests. Chimpanzees, for example, usually nest in trees to stay away from predators. And the mystery apes hoot when the moon rises and sets, something chimps don't do for fear of attracting lions and hyenas, Williams said.

So what could this animal be?

"We cannot rule out the possibility that it is a new species of ape, or a new subspecies or some form of hybrid," said Duane Rumbaugh, a professor at Georgia State University.

"Discovering any new primate is a huge thing, a new ape would be incredible, " said Ed Louis, conservation geneticist at the Henry Doorly Zoo in Omaha, Nebraska.

Common ancestor

Chimpanzees, bonobos (also known as pygmy chimps), and gorillas are all members of the ape family. Present-day apes and humans had a common ancestor in the distant past -- perhaps 6 million years ago, scientists say.

But Amman found some evidence and plenty of local legend to suggest another type of big ape also may call Africa home. The forest in the north central area of the Democratic Republic of Congo, where the mystery ape lives, is known to be populated by chimpanzees. The nearest gorillas and bonobos are hundreds of miles away.

Williams, who speaks the local language, Lingala, interviewed villagers about their sightings of the creature in the Bili forest of what was once the Belgian Congo and later the Republic of Zaire.

"Some people call them 'lion eaters' because they are so big," Williams said.

Using clever tricks

On her last trip to the region earlier this year she got within about 15 feet of the animals. With some local trackers she was able to follow the apes for several hours. Williams and the trackers used some clever tricks to lure the mystery apes.

"One of my trackers made the sound of a duiker, a small antelope, as if it were in pain," said Williams. Four or five of the mystery primates fell for the ruse and came running to kill it.

Chimpanzees and bonobos both are carnivorous. Chimps are known to eat monkeys, and at times other chimps; bonobos catch and eat fish.

Williams also has a fascinating anecdote from a longtime resident of the region, an 84-year-old Norwegian Baptist missionary known as "Madame Liev."

"Years ago, she was driving an old truck and one of these apes walked by in front of her. It was walking bipedally (upright) and was taller than her, and she's six feet tall," Williams said.


Pictures of the 'mystery ape' are rare
because the animals are skittish and
aggressive. Here a researcher captured
an image from afar of one of the
animals with her offspring.


Comparing DNA

Conservation geneticist Ed Louis at the Omaha Zoo is working on an important piece of the ape mystery also.

"We compared fecal samples from this unknown animal to the DNA of captive gorillas, bonobos, and chimps," Louis said. "Our preliminary data shows that the mitochondrial DNA is chimp-like."

But mitochondrial DNA is passed down only from the mother's side. So if this species or sub-species is a hybrid of a chimp mother and a gorilla father, current DNA would only identify information from the mother.

Tests yet to come are nuclear DNA tests: This roadmap would come from both parents.

Is it a hybrid?

If the mystery animal does turn out to be a hybrid of a chimp and a gorilla , for example, such inter-breeding would not be unique in nature. There are several examples of different species breeding successfully, said Louis.

There are hybridized green sea turtles and hawksbill turtles, as well as some hybrids of Borneo and Sumatran orangutans.

Such pairings "can throw a monkey wrench in our idea of species," Louis said.

Louis said he's eager to examine further samples from the mystery ape.

Williams hopes to return to the African habitat this autumn.

She's already working on some tactics to improve her observation. She'll camouflage her skin because the animals have not seen light-skinned humans. She'll also follow the animals and try to camp out near them overnight, and she'll set up three more observation platforms near the animals' nests.

reprint from: http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/08/08/coolsc.mysteryape/index.html

 
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ranshirl
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ummm

August 10 2003, 10:18 AM 

I think this is a very interesting read, but I cannot see a thing in the picture. If you do see something please point it out for me. I am so sorry... but it reminds me of so many blobsquatches I have seen. The way it reads they might have really found something there. I wish they had of even not shown the picture because of its blurriness. That will make the story less believable when you can't see anything in the picture. Now that I have given my 2 cents worth I will leave...


    
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I know...

August 10 2003, 11:33 AM 

I couldn't make out much in the photo either. But like our creatures here, photos are going to be hard to get and most of them are not going to be good clear shots.

At least in this blobsquatch photo the person saw the animals when they took the photo. So that means there is likely something in the photo other than shadows and bushes.

We can just hope they get some better pictures of them soon.

Lisa

 
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jimmyokla
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thats the problem i have lol

August 10 2003, 2:33 PM 

I cant make out anything either lol. Its saying there is a momma and baby there but all i can make out is like a teddy bear face on the right side in the middle

 
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ranshirl
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I agree...

August 11 2003, 3:12 PM 

that the story is very interesting and it sounds like they might be able to hopefully prove the existence soon from some of what is being found out now. I just wish we could get a picture to see exactly what the creature looks like! It looks like we are not going to be able to see what it looks like till we walk right up on one. Lucky Jaylee has seen one but not the facial features, and I would love to see what one looks like in the face and I sometimes get a bit impatient I guess! Oh well!! Back to the drawing board!... or should I say researching!


    
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Robert
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Well here's

August 13 2003, 8:21 AM 

another blowup cutout



I think this is what they are refering to.

Robert


    
This message has been edited by Arkansan from IP address 208.189.4.48 on Aug 13, 2003 8:59 AM


 
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Yep...

August 13 2003, 9:03 AM 

In the blowup I can see a monkeylike head and face. Still can't find the infant though.

Does that help Ranshirl?? LOL

Lisa

 
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