(Moved this into a new thread so's to be more visible and less thread churn)

>The DV is a thin shell of Azzie power around a big
>sphere of Azzie Wierdness. It's so big that it seems
>pretty diffuse at a scale of single digit lightyears.
>It's not the real prison of Tentacle Face and
>Friends, just connected to it by a sort of
>sympathetic magic thingie.

DV as side-effect. I like it.

>Vorlons are the Culture, are not from Yth, and have
>nothing to do with Shoggoths. They have a destructive
>meme in their society which acts as a block to
>progress similar to organized religion on earth - it
>acts like a really sick and twisted sense of humor.

*nod* Allright. There might be room for a Ythian riff or two if we ever get deeper into Vorlon society than "mysterious actors in the galactic drama" - the Minds make me wonder sometimes.

>The Leyline is pulling puppetstrings to try and
>destroy the Cthulu & Co.

Query: Is the Line == Yog-Sothoth or something else? Either way works.

>It was also used to take a whack at Azzie (at the
>behest of the Krang) and the backlash wiped out the
>Tar-Aiym. The DV proper - the shell of -real-bad-
>stuff- was created later.

Which leaves the question of where it came from -- we going with spontaneous Azzie manifestation, at least in the interim?

Three Sisters and the hyperbeings: Sounds good to me, which probably means there's something hideously wrong but I can't see it. ^_^

Query: Hyperbeings in general, how common and where do they concentrate (aside from hyperspace?)

Time to get to work... I'll see if I can't get some more Vorlon/Culture stuff done tonight or this weekend.

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>>The Leyline is pulling puppetstrings to try and
>>destroy the Cthulu & Co.

Disagree, massively. There is already more than enough string pulling going on, what with Vorlons, the Big Evil Conspiracy and the Guild.

Excessive string-pulling negates the need for heroics, which is not, really, the way I'd prefer to write this.

Further, from a realistic standpoint, anything the ULL AI can't already do isn't likely to get done by mere mortals.

(They ULL AI, whoever that ends up being, sending reconnaisance teams to locate / figure out the Krang, I'll buy.)

>>It was also used to take a whack at Azzie (at the
>>behest of the Krang) and the backlash wiped out the
>>Tar-Aiym. The DV proper - the shell of -real-bad-
>>stuff- was created later.

Don't see the reason for two seperate events. EXPN?

>Query: Hyperbeings in general, how common and where do they concentrate (aside from hyperspace?)

Per previous: Hyperbeing are Gods / Angels / Demons / allkindsofstufflikethatthere. They are as common as those get. They get "programmed" to an extent by the unconscious mandate of their "worshippers".

They don't commonly leave their enclaves in Hyper.

Except for a very few, if they leave Hyper, they essentially become more-or-less powerful ESPers, and can be dealt with as such. Some can access the ULL AI command codes, but only to move themselves / data around, or on some-one elese's behalf (this is the origin of "wishgranting" activity.)

There may also be a level of "Holyness" / "Deititude" that is not based in hyper. This is more-or-less the territory of the last place We Do Not Go, Except Speculatively.

Eric Hallstrom, Speaker-to-Dreamworlds
--
AB: Virtual particles are particles that spring into existence
from nothingness, in direct violation of the law of conservation of
mass/energy. But they exist for such a brief period of time that,
essentially, they disappear before the Universe notices.
Erekosė: I find that somewhat comforting, really. I like knowing that
I live in a forgiving and slightly confused Universe.

>Further, from a realistic standpoint, anything the ULL AI can't already do isn't likely to get done by mere mortals.<

Fair enough. Fib for, Eric against. Drak? Norgarth? Fnord?

>(The ULL AI, whoever that ends up being, sending reconnaisance teams to locate / figure out the Krang, I'll buy.) <

The AI, as far as can be told from the source, doesn't really -have- a personality. Just a lot of intellegence and enough initiative to do a good job of fulfilling its commands.

>Don't see the reason for two seperate events. EXPN?<

The Shell is associate with the prison of the GOOs. Azzie is just -there-. They associate with each other because the first draws power from the second.

It's quite possible *hinthint* for the Shell to just go POP and for Azzie to still sit there going OMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...

>Except for a very few, if they leave Hyper, they essentially become more-or-less powerful ESPers, and can be dealt with as such. Some can access the ULL AI command codes, but only to move themselves / data around, or on some-one elese's behalf (this is the origin of "wishgranting" activity.)<

Incarnations tend to be much more towards the 'more' end of the power scale.

>There may also be a level of "Holyness" / "Deititude" that is not based in hyper. This is more-or-less the territory of the last place We Do Not Go, Except Speculatively.<

*malevolent look* Damn straight.

Blessed be.
-n
(Smiling! Really!)

>>Further, from a realistic standpoint, anything the
>ULL AI can't already do isn't likely to get done by
>mere mortals.<
>
>Fair enough. Fib for, Eric against. Drak? Norgarth?
>Fnord?

Howabout the ULL being something like the Monolith from the 2001 series? In this case, it'd be massively powerful and the repository for Gygax knows how much information, but it's *not a conscious entity.* Without a consciousness of some sort to act as a controller, the ULL is about as useful as an unplugged toaster. When an actual *mind* is in contact with the AI, whether a hyperbeing, an especially powerful ESPer or through the Krang interface, *then* you can do neat things like shift the entire sidreal universe six feet to the left.

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>DV as side-effect. I like it.<

Only in the sense that a rag-doll full of pins is a side effect of using a voodoo doll on somebody.

>*nod* Allright. There might be room for a Ythian riff or two if we ever get deeper into Vorlon society than "mysterious actors in the galactic drama" - the Minds make me wonder sometimes.<

*raised eyebrow* And here I was, thinking you were the one with an objection.

Ah well. As long as it doesn't turn dark, I don't care.

>The Leyline is pulling puppetstrings to try and
>destroy the Cthulu & Co.

Query: Is the Line == Yog-Sothoth or something else? Either way works.

>Which leaves the question of where it came from -- we going with spontaneous Azzie manifestation, at least in the interim?<

Yep.

>Three Sisters and the hyperbeings: Sounds good to me, which probably means there's something hideously wrong but I can't see it. ^_^<

>Query: Hyperbeings in general, how common and where do they concentrate (aside from hyperspace?)<

There are as many 'gods' as there are significant belief flows, and they'll be found wherever those concentrate.

>Time to get to work... I'll see if I can't get some more Vorlon/Culture stuff done tonight or this weekend. <

Right!

Oh, and an interesting tidbit. Miyazawa Kano, the youngest sister on Kare Kano, has Frost's hairstyle.

Blessed be.
-n
(Yes, it is pathetic that I could think of something like that while seeing such a cool series for the first time, but there you are.)

>*raised eyebrow* And here I was, thinking you were
>the one with an objection.

Oh, I am. I'm not above being hypocritical when it suits my purposes. ;)

I was thinking riffing on the mental time-travel aspect of the Great Race rather than doing a direct Yth reference. *shrug* It was a halfassed suggestion to try and meld the two prevailing Vorlon concepts a little (my Culture writeup and Eric's Mythos writeup). Probably wouldn't work anyway.

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