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May 14 2003 at 12:27 AM
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There are three major types of cloning.

Piecework cloning is the first - the growth, from base genetic
material, of organs, limbs, etc. This is a base technology -
everybody has it, and it works on -almost- all races.

Second is the independant clone, a person grown and raised in
the ordinary manner who happens to be genetically identical to
the parent. Characters of this type include Rei Ayanami and
Minagi Hakubi, from Eva and the Tenchi Manga, respectively.
Depending on the laws of the local polity and/or the relative
ages of the individuals involved, they may be regarded as either
children or siblings of their genetic donors, but are always
considered seperate people. The Taiidani Empire is unique among
the galactic powers in refusing to extend citizenship to clones.

The third type is the engram clone, the kind we see all through
bad science fiction - a full genetic clone force-grown to maturity
(a practice not used on independents because it fails to provide
all those little things like, oh, bladder control, that people
learn in the course of growing up. it -can- be made to work, but
that takes more trouble than it's worth unless you have an engram)
and 'programmed' using a recording of a person's neural and
psi patterns. The treatment of engram clones is a massive tangle,
and most people who have reason to think that they might be cloned
in this fashion (particularly 3WA agents) take care to note down
their wishes in their wills beforehand. Case studies include Yuri
Daniels (ref Fatal But Not Serious), Evangeline Shreck, and
the Lord High Dram.


Also, there is a ship known and feared throughout the navies of the Silesian Confederacy (Waitaminute... confederacy? Wing Commander!) and the Anderman Empire. She is the destroyer Soyokaze, under the command of Captain Justy Ueki Tylor.

Ph34r.

Blessed be.
-n
(The latter brought on by my browsing my AMVs.)

 
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drakensis
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bring on the clones

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May 14 2003, 4:16 AM 

>Piecework cloning is the first - the growth, from base genetic material, of organs, limbs, etc. This is a base technology - everybody has it, and it works on -almost- all races.<

Even with the technology there are some areas that legislate against it or where the cost is outside the reach of most people.

How would this relate to the regen techniques that Honor Harrington cannot use?

>Characters of this type include Rei Ayanami and
Minagi Hakubi, from Eva and the Tenchi Manga, respectively.<

If anyone brought this universe in, Mark Vorkosigan would be a clone of this type and Miles Naismith is supposedly one.

>Also, there is a ship known and feared throughout the navies of the Silesian Confederacy (Waitaminute... confederacy? Wing Commander!) and the Anderman Empire. She is the destroyer Soyokaze, under the command of Captain Justy Ueki Tylor.<

Feared by both sides, naturally. :-D


drakensis

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Re: bring on the clones

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May 14 2003, 9:06 AM 

>Characters of this type include Rei Ayanami and
Minagi Hakubi, from Eva and the Tenchi Manga, respectively.<

Drawing on a more widely known source, namely Star Wars: Episode 2, Boba Fett is an Individual clone, while the clone army are engrams.

 
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Harrinton, regen, and cloning

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May 15 2003, 5:28 PM 

">Piecework cloning is the first - the growth, from base genetic material, of organs, limbs, etc. This is a base technology - everybody has it, and it works on -almost- all races.<

Even with the technology there are some areas that legislate against it or where the cost is outside the reach of most people.

How would this relate to the regen techniques that Honor Harrington cannot use?"

Well, my interpretation here is that the reference is to growing the parts in a tank and then implanting them like a donated organ. This is illegal in the Star Kingdom as I recall, along with all other cloning technologies. Regen is medical regime that gets the body to regrow the mising bits in situ, and Honor is allergic to the drugs, or something along those lines. That suggests that her tissues would be diffucult to clone in a tank as well, but at least a vat failiure doesn't risk killing the donor with runaway cancer or something. Her best option would probably be imported cybernetics of some kind, instead of the somewhat primitive local gear.

- CD

 
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cyb

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May 16 2003, 5:14 AM 

>...imported cybernetics ...<

As noted in a previous post, this is exactly what I want to do.

-Griever

 
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Re: cyb

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May 16 2003, 3:39 PM 

">...imported cybernetics ...<

As noted in a previous post, this is exactly what I want to do."

Nodnod. I don't know if you've seen it, but there's a book called something like "Guardian of the Eternal Empire" floating around online that has some pretty cool nano-based cyber gear. The book itself is formulaic and crap, so I didn't keep it to check back, but the gear itself is fairly cool. The most important bit is a wallet sized nanite 'hive' that gets implanted ... well, anywhere handy, really. It has to be set up for the individual host, but it sends its nannie workers throguh the blod stream to do the usual handy things like sealing wounds to prevent infection and blood loss about as fast as the object making them leaves the body, dissassembling things that don't leave after making the hole, acting as a backup blood-mover for the heart if it somehow goes missing, toxin screening, etc., and will automatically fix up nerve damage within a few hours, but can't do much for injuries resulting in loss of body mass directly. It can however maintain cybernetics attactched after the fact as long as it's told that they're supposed to be there (otherwise it'll remove them itself, not knowing it from any other intruding object) and there are prebuilt limb segments that are modular on either side of each major joint that can be pressed against a stump and be automatically attatched and fitted in minutes if you have a milspec hive. Those are 'From Russia With Chrome' style, but the normal cyber had nanoweave skin just as soft and sensitive as the real thing, and even mimicked natural hair and fingernail growth. As to where you'd find this stuff in the Spiral... I dunno. Maybe put in a nation/system that's not hostile to starfarers but not really interested in anything outside their local space, either, which they inhabit in large numbers of space stations and on two terraformed worlds, after turning their homeworld into a big ball of grey goo with a small nanodestructor problem a thousand years or so ago. The system has no hypergate, and the Council Galactography Department (or whatever) arragnges things so it doesn't look interesting on the star charts, but it's not technically proscribed... because the best way to make someone wonder what you're hiding is to tell them not to go somewhere in the name of galactic safety, while the system code 'yellow stgar, two terraformed worlds, many orbitals, locals indifferent to isolationist, no hypergate' without even bothering to name it is just one more glowing point on the map to be filtered out when looking for new markets, adventures, or anything else, really. Someone who just happened to pop in there on their way to somewhere else using a shipboard hyperdrive might know otherwise, but only if they hung around a while to ask questions.

On a side note, does anyone know or have handy the Traveler system of reducing planets and their star systems to a string of a dozen or so letters? If so, I suggest using it or an adaptation of it, just for the conveinience of a standardized way to rattle off technobabble when talking about things.

- CD

 
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