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Thoughts and speculation

June 2 2003 at 2:48 AM
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Since I'm too lazy to actually do what -needs- doing and put together the Bible.

First thing to consider is that, while the Spiral is very nearly an infinite playground, with an essentially unlimited field of characters, some of those people matter more than others.

Who are they? What are the names that will go down in the history books, when they're finally written about Acts II and III? What are the names that would deserve to, but won't?

Who were their enemies? Who were their allies?

Harrington, Alexander, Theisman, Pritchard, Pierre? D'ark, Deathstalker, Summerisle, Atredies, Harkonnen, Derelda, Lionstone? Jurai, Masaki, Leary, Mundy? Hastur, Ygolnac, Shub-Niggurath, Straumli?

And, finally, at the end of it, at the darkest hour and the final bastion, two names that decide it all.

Cthulu. Tsukino.

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history books

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June 2 2003, 9:14 AM 

History remebers. It remembers Theisman, both as a hero of what would in later days become the Republic of Haven, and as part of the driving force behind a massive rally of Havenite reinforcements that set off to face the threat of the Void and ultimately, became one of the tiers of what was to be in later days known as the White Haven/Harrington/Theisman/Rabenstange Armada which defended the Haven Sextant with every ounce of skill and determination that could be brought forward.

Harrington ... well, that's a bit of a needless mention here. Best to say would be - The only thing that was actually said about her in the limited edition historial coverage of those times of unease (released by a small company on Betelegeuse) was "Yes, she really is _that_ good." - this is entirely accurate.

Some may remember, in passing, a few footnotes regarding an individual going by the name of Croaker, whose mercenary force lend a hand in that effort before their 'home' planet was assaulted by the Enemy. The assault was repelled, following with the unfortunate desolation of said planet by the immediate effects of the arms used in the battle ... some say this was one of the turnpikes of the war, where it could have gone either way. Some say it was one of those battles that should be recorded as important for future generations.
Most say 'Oh, you know rumors. After all, we all _know_ that a scruffy band of unkempt mercenaries couldn't have acchieved something like that.', and this attitude carried over onto most records.
Then again, those who said that have most likely never witnessed the Black Company work. Whether they should be glad or saddened by that remains something of an unanswered question.
As for the Company themselves ... their remaining forces left after the fighting was over, heading into what had once been the Darkvoid, searching for ... and eventually finding, Khatovar. Their port of origin.

But that, as they say, is another story alltogether. And certainly not one for the historians to record.

Just to appease your interest, Khatovar is, as New Khatovar had been for the past few hundreds of years, the planet that's home to one of the most famous ... or rather infamous mercenary forces of the Spiral.


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Names of the Commonwealth Civil War

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June 2 2003, 12:08 PM 

No time to go into deep detail here, but...

Sparks, Hawksmoor, Li-Men, Spica, Midnighter, Apollo: the central cabal of the Authority, the group who want to rebuild the Humanx in their image and won't accept any compromise.

On the other side, fighting for the principles of the Amalgamation: King, Trelane, Santini, Sinclair, Sheridan, Ivanova, Garibaldi, Tsukino, Doc Colorado.

--Mr. F, wheels within wheels...

 
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Re: Names of the Commonwealth Civil War

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June 2 2003, 7:22 PM 

>On the other side, fighting for the principles of the >Amalgamation: King, Trelane, Santini, Sinclair, >Sheridan, Ivanova, Garibaldi, Tsukino, Doc Colorado.

and in the background, an unusual young man by the name of Phillip Lynx (aka Flinx)

On a different note, I was looking thru one on my quote files and found this one:

"The Humans, I think, knew they were doomed. But where another race would surrender to despair, the Humans fought back with even greater strength. They made the Minbari fight for every inch of space. In my life I have never seen anything like it. They would weep. They would pray. They would say goodbye to their loved ones, and then throw themselves without fear or hesitation at the very face of death itself, never surrendering. No one who saw them fight against the inevitable could help but be moved to tears by their courage... their stubborn nobility. When they ran out of ships, they used guns. When they ran out of guns they used knives and sticks and bare hands. They were magnificent. I only hope that when it is my time, I die with half as much dignity as I saw in their eyes in the end. They did this for two years. But in the end, they didn't run out of courage, they ran out of time."
- From the Babylon 5 TV-movie, 'In The Begining'

If I recall correctly it was said by G'kar at the beginnig of the movie.

 
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In the Beginning

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June 3 2003, 2:07 AM 

> If I recall correctly it was said by G'kar at the beginnig of the movie.

It's a while since I saw it but I think it was Londo Mollari. IIRC, the meta setting of the movie was him telling the story of the war to two Centauri children. This passage came between Sheridan killing the Black Star and the Battle of the Line

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who?

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June 8 2003, 3:22 AM 

Rereading this and am confused. Who are Santini and Doc Colorado?

On other points:

The first time he heard Rob S. Pierre, Commiteee of Public Safety, Drake laughed his ass off.

Dr. Banzai vanished from the pre-Commonwealth Humanx. Has it been decided where he wound up? Because tehre is, in canon, a Dr. B Banzai in the Inner Sphere. He's the commander of a mercenary regiment and a noted scientist.

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Re: who?

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June 8 2003, 3:50 AM 

Santini is Benito "Ben" Santini, commander of Stormwatch Achilles, and with Jackson King and John Sheridan, makes up the troika of Absolute Bastards who're on the side of the Commonwealth.

Doc Colorado is... well, me, pro tem head of the Banzai Institute and the Ulysses S. Grant of the Minbari War. That is, assuming that I can ever actually &!@#&! write any of the damn stories that are rattling round my head.

>The first time he heard Rob S. Pierre, Commiteee of
>Public Safety, Drake laughed his ass off.

Drake obviously has a fine sense of template history. Or a high tolerance threshold for puns, I'm not sure which. ;)

>Dr. Banzai vanished from the pre-Commonwealth Humanx.
>Has it been decided where he wound up? Because tehre
>is, in canon, a Dr. B Banzai in the Inner Sphere.
>He's the commander of a mercenary regiment and a
>noted scientist.

I've been working on the assumption that Dr. Banzai and the original Cavs were sent to the Sphere - among other places - by a Higher Power. You can probably figure out who the higher power in question is. ;)


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reactions ...

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June 8 2003, 5:23 PM 

>>The first time he heard Rob S. Pierre, Commiteee of
>Public Safety, Drake laughed his ass off.

Drake obviously has a fine sense of template history. Or a high tolerance threshold for puns, I'm not sure which. ;)<

Griever was, at the time, working on his frequent flier miles in that particular Sextant, in between occasional skips back to Edo for personal reasons (he decided not to risk getting skinned alive as a result of missing any more of Sylia's birthdays, if he could help it). For the first few months after Pierre got into power Griev had an odd sense of 'I _know_ this should tell me something'. He gets those sometimes.

When he finally came back into the area one time his mind finally made the connection. He looked it up in the relative history databanks, raised an eyebrow at Kasumi, and said something along the lines of:
"For some reson, I fail to be as surprised as I feel I should be. Sad how the it's the worst shit that gets done over and over again."

>That is, assuming that I can ever actually &!@#&! write any of the damn stories that are rattling round my head.<

I sympathize. Honestly. I've been hung up on my own stuff because of another project I have on the side, which isn't going all that great either. A combination of apathy, lack of time, and a great deal of plain laziness. Or is it writer's block? Dunno really.

Right now I'm trying to finish up a duo of shorts for that other project so that I can finally get on with the Spiral stuff, but it's like pushing a fully laden jeep up the hill. Especially since I've already had about 80K done on one of the shorts, more than enough, but came to the conclusion that it wasn't saying what I wanted it to say, so I had to scrap the bleeping thing and started over recently.

Here's hoping I can get done with them sometime this month, and maybe I'll have a new Spiral story down by the end of the year. That's the optimistic estimate.

Then there's the downright ludicrous one, but that entails having an actual bout of inspiration. Ah vell, I'm pulling an all-nighter again tonight. Maybe something will come of that.


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Re: Re: who?

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June 9 2003, 8:14 AM 

>The first time he heard Rob S. Pierre, Commiteee of
>Public Safety, Drake laughed his ass off.

>Drake obviously has a fine sense of template history. >Or a high tolerance threshold for puns, I'm not sure >which. ;)

I'm afraid I'm missing the joke. mind filling me in?

 
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June 9 2003, 10:14 AM 

I believe the name was "Robespierre", was a major figure during the French Revolution that preceded Napoleon.

You'll find him in any history book on the period.

Blessed be.
-n

 
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June 9 2003, 3:17 PM 

>I believe the name was "Robespierre", was a major figure during the French Revolution that preceded Napoleon.<

He was in fact the head of the 'revolutionary government', the Commitee of Public Safety.

Of course, on the template that Drake orgiinates upon those events were over 4,000 years ago so long ago that he doesn't remember if he was alive during them. But his knowing that on Tierra Nueva is the equivalent of being well-read in early Egyptian history or the equivelant. (For comparison, 4000 years ago today would be well into the -Bronze- Age.) No one except a handful of academics got the joke.

(It's perfectly obvious why Dave Weber made they historical reference tho', Honor being based slightly upon Nelson.)

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Re: robespierre

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June 10 2003, 9:19 AM 

>>I believe the name was "Robespierre", was a major figure during the French Revolution that preceded Napoleon.<

He was in fact the head of the 'revolutionary government', the Commitee of Public Safety.<
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I had a suspicion that the joke tied into the french revolution, but history was never my strong point.

>(It's perfectly obvious why Dave Weber made they historical reference tho', Honor being based slightly upon Nelson.)<

I noticed while reading Honor Among Enemies that she's reading a 'book' which I suspect was one supposed to be one of the Horatio Hornblower stories. Which also ties into that timeperiod IIRC.

 
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Patently...

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June 2 2003, 6:30 PM 

Picking one name per sextant:

Haven Sextant
- Honor Harrington. Because she drew a line against the darkness with the fleets of the sector.

Cameron Sextant
- Hanse Davion. Kicked so much shit out of the major players in his sextant that they spent Act III sitting on their hands and looking embarassed.

Jurai Sextant
- Tenchi Masaki. Crown Prince of the Jurai, wielder of three Light Hawk Wings, most eligible bachelor in the galaxy.

Centauri Sextant
- Usagi Tsukino. See the post by Nathan.

Taiidani Sextant
- Lionstone. She united the Taiidani as they never had been before... granted they were united in their desire to lynch her but, hey...

Silesian Sextant
- Drake. Mostly for the lack on anyone more important. Didn't so much draw a line against the darkness as latch on to the Darkness's knees like a dead weight and slow them down until the real players turned up to smite it.

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A few more thoughts on the history books

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June 7 2003, 11:01 PM 

The Vorlon assault on the Straumli (though that name isn't well-known unless you live on one of the three "hostage rings" that the Vorlon left behind as ambassadors) is remembered by the Spiral not for being especially vicious or terrible, but for its efficiency; the Vorlon, with some measure of regret but absoultely no mercy whatsoever, eliminated the Straumli presence in the Centauri Republic, along with nearly a billion Centauri.

Lionstone, between Alderaan and everything else her twisted mind thinks up, racks up a higher bodycount. But everybody already *knew* that Her Majesty wasn't terribly stable to begin with; the speed and violence that the otherwise-quiet Vorlon exploded into scared the living bejezzus out of -everybody.-

Almost as scary was the level of outright Nasty that the calm, polite, -nice- Humanx Commonwealth descended to during their civil war. Gave everybody involved something of a shock to learn how close to the surface raw savagery lurked in the Commonwealth's leaders.

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