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dial question submariner 6205 from 1954

October 3 2011 at 2:32 AM

(Login rallepeng)
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from IP address 89.217.32.173

hey guys, ralle find this excellent 6205 from 1954 with serial 214xx. dial looks nice but not ok to me. matte surface, markers like kind of laque, shiny and clean. any input? thanks for help.
ralle

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Buddy Ralle.Any closeup pics of the Coronet n "Rolex Submariner Perpetual"? nt. - Orchi on Oct 3, 2011, 3:30 AM

try this orchi... - rallepeng on Oct 3, 2011, 3:56 AM

WOOW! Amazing! The lumes how shiny are they now? Can u see the grain/texture? Glowing? nt. - Orchi on Oct 3, 2011, 4:27 AM

Orchi maybe wrong on this Dial..BUT meantime feels like congratulating you!!!..nt - Orchi on Oct 3, 2011, 4:32 AM

surface of markers are like laque and dont glow... - rallepeng on Oct 3, 2011, 5:03 AM

Best now is 2C Dial back..O likes Dial outline/fonts/prints/indexes/etc..Gloss fades..nt. - Orchi on Oct 3, 2011, 5:18 AM

Buddy Ralle..U Got Mail..! nt. - Orchi on Oct 3, 2011, 6:46 AM

Buddy Ralle..B4 you check the Dial back..Orchi presents this to you ONLY for comparison.++ - Orchi on Oct 3, 2011, 7:16 AM

Buddy Ralle..Here's the Original Pic from Buddy PS..for your comparison..++ - Orchi on Oct 3, 2011, 8:12 AM

Re: Buddy Ralle..Here's the Original Pic from Buddy PS..for your comparison..++ - mike on Oct 3, 2011, 9:34 AM

i really have to ask all of us: why is necessary to take the dial off? - rallepeng on Oct 3, 2011, 9:45 AM

Yes Buddy SAME as PS's 6204 Waffle Dial..Dial back could tell if possible Dial was..++ - Orchi on Oct 3, 2011, 11:00 AM

mmmmmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhh - marcello pisani on Oct 3, 2011, 6:18 AM

fake last generation? you are sure? wow... - rallepeng on Oct 3, 2011, 7:13 AM

Dear Ralph..dial makes me think about well known viet faker.. - Swissgmt1675 on Oct 3, 2011, 7:35 AM

mmmm.... Patina, Patina, Patina. - munchiew on Oct 3, 2011, 7:50 AM

yes, patina is really missing but lays down long time in safe of my client... - rallepeng on Oct 3, 2011, 8:01 AM

Even Safe Queens will Change.. - MC Yoon on Oct 3, 2011, 8:13 AM

Safe Queen But - MC Yoon on Oct 3, 2011, 9:29 AM

My suspicions are also raised... - Mike Wood on Oct 3, 2011, 10:43 AM

But The Condition Of The Case.. - MC Yoon on Oct 3, 2011, 11:01 AM

yes the case looks quite polished and.. - marcello pisani on Oct 3, 2011, 11:40 AM

An original dial would have radium markers - RichardNYC on Oct 3, 2011, 11:39 AM

Buddy Ralle..regarding Gloss Gilt fading to Matte Gilt..++ - Orchi on Oct 3, 2011, 8:40 AM

Ralle look at the E in Sumariner then look..... - Jim on Oct 3, 2011, 9:00 AM

sorry but I don't really understand you... - marcello pisani on Oct 3, 2011, 10:31 AM

very simple marcello... - rallepeng on Oct 3, 2011, 10:38 AM

Detailed Font, Serif Comparisons Don't Work.. - MC Yoon on Oct 3, 2011, 10:58 AM

To me this is a fake and and obvious one.. - Beever. on Oct 3, 2011, 11:04 AM

Buddy Ralle..LEFT 2nd Prong of Coronet is Tilted 2Rightside..No way any faker..++ - Orchi on Oct 3, 2011, 11:13 AM

Between RIGHT 4th n last Prongs of the Coronet..the "V" gap is longer n deeper..++ - Orchi on Oct 3, 2011, 11:24 AM

What a nice 6204..... - Philipp on Oct 3, 2011, 4:58 PM

Here again the comparison of 6204 Dials..++ - Orchi on Oct 3, 2011, 6:21 PM

One important point: the lume has been "washed" from this dial... - tomvox1 on Oct 4, 2011, 8:32 AM

Lume Plots on Dial Matches that On Hands.. - MC Yoon on Oct 5, 2011, 5:56 AM

From Ralle: "markers like kind of laque[r], shiny and clean". And... - tomvox1 on Oct 5, 2011, 9:06 AM

no if you "wash" a lacquered dial ... - marcello pisani on Oct 5, 2011, 10:35 AM

But would that remove the gold writing, Marci? In any case, it's simple... - tomvox1 on Oct 5, 2011, 10:55 AM

if you "wash" a... - marcello pisani on Oct 5, 2011, 11:05 AM

Hi Marci. So you are saying that any "wash" will essentially damage a gilt dial... - tomvox1 on Oct 5, 2011, 5:11 PM

yes the "washing" creates... - marcello pisani on Oct 6, 2011, 10:11 AM

Cheers, Marci, very helpful. And I didn't know you were also an artist! ;) Best, T. nt - tomvox1 on Oct 6, 2011, 10:58 AM

LLOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL - marcello pisani on Oct 6, 2011, 11:14 AM

Frankly..Orchi was thinking possible Dial could hv been stored "uninstalled" before..++ - Orchi on Oct 5, 2011, 10:23 AM

If I were a betting man I would bet you there was *no lume* on this dial. ;) Also... - tomvox1 on Oct 5, 2011, 10:49 AM

Heheee..It cd also be a "service" dial stored for loooog time b4 Maybe..;) nt, - Orchi on Oct 5, 2011, 10:59 AM

Buddy Tom..Orchi Cs similar Dial texture on the surface of Ralle's Dial..++ - Orchi on Oct 5, 2011, 11:12 AM

Of course the finish could be dulled by time. But how's the lume on that 5513? ;) Best, T. - tomvox1 on Oct 5, 2011, 11:53 AM

Buddy Tom.Bingo! "Dull" shd b d'exact word 2describe it rather than saying "Matte&quo - Orchi on Oct 5, 2011, 12:14 PM

I would still like to inspect Ralle's dial in person to see what is going on... - tomvox1 on Oct 5, 2011, 12:17 PM

By that time hopefully U wd consider 2list Ralle's Dial in VRF Dial Archive.Priceless.nt. - Orchi on Oct 5, 2011, 12:36 PM

And of course the lume plots on that Bart 5513 are consistent w/age... - tomvox1 on Oct 5, 2011, 12:18 PM

Tom, from what I see I say it's a 'unfinished' dial, it never became its lume & lacquer... - Philipp on Oct 5, 2011, 2:26 PM

Not really all that different from what I'm saying, P. So you think it is legit?... - tomvox1 on Oct 5, 2011, 3:22 PM

It's half of a dial Tom, Rolex didn't finish it. You say they did and then it was washed.. - Philipp on Oct 5, 2011, 3:59 PM

Result is the same, right? No lume & no lacquer. If you want bonus points... - tomvox1 on Oct 5, 2011, 4:41 PM

Bingo ;) & So 'officially' not a Rolex dial... - Philipp on Oct 5, 2011, 5:13 PM

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