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  • Re: Anybody have insight into date ranges for different Mks?
    • Adam S (Login adamtl)
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      Posted Nov 5, 2014 11:21 AM

      The thing is it's all a bit muddled, what we call mk2 "long 5" was the first to be introduced after the long 5 inserts with the red triangles ended. So technically they would be the first, after those, the ones we call mk1 "kissing 40" were introduced (early to mid 60's). Mk3's came later and had a few subtypes. There are examples of each that appear thicker and have less harsh "rounder" features due to pad wear. The exact timeline for each is confusing and not really important in my opinion, if you have an early 60's sub, any mk1 or mk2 will do and is appropriate.

      Glenn M wrote this a little while ago, (I can only disagree with the part about the "kissing 40 mk1" comment at the end, there def was an mk1 kissing 40 in the early to mid 60's that is distinguishable and not a result of worn mk3 pads.. So I would put mk1 kissing 40 inserts between the mk2 long 5 and the mk3's of which we see three variations I believe.)

      Hi John-

      Nice inserts

      I started one of the threads above with the same question. My take away from that thread after input from the more knowledgeable Italian collectors is the following in terms of chronology for inserts from crown guarded plastic subs :

      (not calling out Mk numbers, because there seems to be confusion) in chronological order of fonts :

      1- 1959 - "square font" red triangle insert. only on 5512 square guards or eagle beak subs and tudor 7928 of the same era
      2- long 5 insert - earliest font without the red triangle
      3- "skinny 4" insert - late 62 and 1963 only
      4- More long 5 insert variations through mid 1960s
      5- what I called "hooked 5" or serifed font insert ( similar fonts found on mil-sub inserts)
      6- fat font inserts without the serifs without" a long 5"
      7- "flat four" / service inserts

      My understanding is that the "kissing 4" or super fat font inserts can be in any font, that they are just a result of printing done with worn printing pads, causing the fonts to bleed out. I have seen super fat font "kissing 4" inserts with both a serif font and a long 5 after looking closer.

      Let's see what the experts say..

      Im too lazy to upload photos right now.. lets see where the thread goes and I can add some later

      (edit for spelling)

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