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1927 Rolex Oyster

July 25 2006 at 6:26 AM
Oliver Vale  (Login valeon)
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I have a 1927 Rolex Oyster with s/n 21635. Although not marked with Rolex Oyster on face, when opened up it shows Rolex name and serial number inside. Does anyone out there have anything similar? Does the lack of "Rolex" on the dial make it less collectable.

Its 18kt gold and is in pretty good condition- movement works perfectly.

Anyone got any ideas on ballpark value of this? (If I'm allowed to ask this).

My guess is that despite its age, the styling will probably limit its appeal and thus lower its value for most Rolex collectors.




 
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*philip*
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nice way to promote :-)

July 25 2006, 7:26 AM 

a beautiful early cushion Oyster. You do not show the most interesting part (imho)
the movement, that should be an an Ultra or Extra Prima.
Lack of signature or replacement hands are not a problem but the replacement crown
is as these antique Oysters were equipped with an Oysterlock first generation (not
working without proper crown, and finding one...).
If you go to the Vintage Market Forum part, I could be interested.
Nice watch anyway.

 
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Oliver Vale
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Movement :?

July 25 2006, 7:40 AM 

Apologies for the lack of a photo showing the movement. I will try to take one and add it to this message later. In the meantime I can tell you that on the movement, the following is written:

Timed 6 portions
For all climates
15 Jewels
Rolex Prima

Not knowing much about watches (yet alone Rolex) can you tell me what you mean by replacement crown and all watches being equipped with Oysterlock first generation?

FYI watch works perfectly well though it does not keep time as well as a modern quartz

Thanks

Oliver

 
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July 25 2006, 7:54 AM 

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*philip*
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Movement?

July 25 2006, 7:56 AM 

so it is a Prima movement, without looking at it I can not tell you if its
an Ultra or Extra, anyway that is not fundamental.
What I meant is that your winding crown is not original, as you see next
to the winding crown there is some kind of little bridge, this bridge was used
to rceive an oignon shaped winder (certainly not flat like yours) that would screw
itself on the little bridge.
The technical aspect (waterproof) of these watches lied in the fact of that... oigon shaped winder crown, that is why imho this is more of a problem than the missing Rolex logo.

 
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Oliver Vale
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Replacement Crown

July 25 2006, 8:11 AM 

Ah, I think I understand what you are getting at. I saw from another website that the original crown should look something like this:





Since the crown on my watch doesn't look similar I now understand why you think this is probably a replacement.

Unfortunately, if this is the case, I'm not aware about the story behind this- my grandfather gave this watch to me as an 18th birthday present- he had been given it as a 21st birthday present (1929).

Well I'm going to do some checking- I live and work in Geneva and I know someone who's husband works at Rolex so I'm going to try to enlist their help to find out more.

I'll keep you posted.
Cheers,

Oliver

p.s.At the moment the watch isn't for sale- as you can imagine it has some sentimental value to me which outweights the few hundred I might get for it in the collector market.

 
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*philip*
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The crown you are showing

July 25 2006, 8:26 AM 

is the drum type (could it fit?) but you really should
be looking for an earlier oignon type. Good luck.

 
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Oliver Vale
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Movement Photo

July 25 2006, 1:03 PM 

As promised here is a photo of the movement. Not great quality again but as you can hopefully see this shows "Rolex prima".

What does this tell me about the watch?


 
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Morse
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What you have there Oliver is >>

July 25 2006, 7:33 PM 

a VALUABLE early Oyster watch, with original dial and
original Cathedral hands. The 'Prima' refers to the balance, which is 'extra fine' and not 'standard'
A correct style crown should not be too difficult to locate.
A highly collectable piece.
Have it proffessionally serviced and get the correct crown and you will have one of the
nicest and most sought after early Oysters! Have it valued and insured, another one like that, will be EXPENSIVE $3,500 or more possibley at and difficult to replace! Your Grandfather, has done you proud with that beautiful watch, enjoy and treasure it!!

Kind Regards
Morse

sharp


    
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Nice, very nice

July 25 2006, 8:23 PM 

Hello,
The unicorn that I am working on restoring has purple hands just like these, that is what I thought was most attractive, now if I could find a case like this one, I would be on cloud nine. I currently have it in a temporary case just to keep it from getting grimy or dusty. It has the original wavy sunburst type dial but it is faded and dull roman numerals. I like the cathedral hands, are yours blue?
Bonnie

 
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Morse
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All of these type, were usually blued Bonny :>) (nt)

July 25 2006, 8:26 PM 



sharp

 
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Hands

July 25 2006, 8:30 PM 

Hello,
So are the purple ones replacement hands then, I also have a set of blue ones with little cut out circles that taper to a point, are they more correct than the purple ones?
Bonnie

 
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Morse
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No Bonnie >>

July 25 2006, 8:40 PM 

you hands are nicest, the others are 'Brequet' style which was also used on early Rolex. When hands are 'blued' (a heat treatment) they appear blue/purple in colour .. stick with the Cathedral hands.

Kind Regards
Morse

sharp


    
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Re: No Bonnie >>

July 25 2006, 8:45 PM 

Hello,
Thanks for the advice, do you have any clue what C.F.C next to the word swiss on a movement means?
Bonnie

 
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Morse
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If its on your movement Bonnie >>

July 25 2006, 9:02 PM 

it may refer to the 'Fontainmellon' calibre.
Swiss time control
Just a guess though.

Kind Regards
Morse

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Re: If its on your movement Bonnie >>

July 25 2006, 9:06 PM 

Hello,
It is on another movement that I bought for backup parts and because I liked the dial, it is gold with engraved flowers in the middle, arabic numbers and the double line encircling them, is that what is called the rail?
Bonnie

 
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Morse
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I would class >>

July 25 2006, 9:16 PM 

it so Bonnie.
as for C.F.C. perhaps someone else will come up with an answer.
Bob Ridley will definately know if he drops in!

Kind Regards
Morse

sharp

 
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Oliver
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Hands

July 25 2006, 9:34 PM 

Yes they are blue...maybe this will reveal colour more clearly.


 
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Re: Hands

July 26 2006, 8:41 AM 

Your watch face has the same wavy sunburst design as my unicorn only it has arabic and the double line encircling the numbers, I wish my numbers were as sharp as yours are! It is really amazing how little yours has faded. It is a beauty. What size is the movement?
Bonnie

 
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Oliver
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Movement Size

July 28 2006, 1:05 AM 

I'm starting to understand this is in pretty good condition considering the age. I've asked someone who works in Rolex in Geneva to have a look at this to find out more about it and they were apparently quite impressed.

I'm afraid I don't know too much about the size of the movement though.

 
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Re: Movement Size

July 28 2006, 12:42 PM 

Hello,
I guess I didn't say that right, how many mm wide is the movement? I didn't mean to get a size in lignes, I have trouble converting those details anyhow. I just wondered if it was the same size as most modern mens watches.
Bonnie

 
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Case and crown for mine??

July 28 2006, 1:54 PM 

Case and crown questions about my Unicorn which I have been told is a 1927 piece also.
What type of crown should I be looking for and I saw a case I like on a parts website, here is their picture

Would my watch have been in a case like the gold scroll design one shown?
Or would this one from ebay be more appropriate?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&item=270002108893&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
Bonnie


    
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