*Philip* (Login dingomad) VRF Contributing Member from IP address 90.2.71.127
As far as I know Hans Wilsdorf wrote himself one and only book, the other
ones were written by his friend Chapuis. I have a copy of this book in which he exceptionally
speaks about why he created Tudor. These words were written early fifties and clearly
explain the filiation with Rolex and the under brand aspect of Tudor watches.
Some people should document themselves before writting nonsenses, the love a the brand also
goes thru the thruth and not only thru telling tales having in mind some financial profits.
Sorry for those who dont find me politically correct but I dont have to be, not making
a living with watches I only express myself according to Rolex archives that I collect since 20 years.
Now, that I said what I wanted, let the hype go again, some dealers have a lot of Tudor in stock
*Philip* (Login dingomad) VRF Contributing Member 90.2.71.46
It never crossed
March 5 2008, 3:50 PM
your mind that watches could have been re-created
(created would be more approriate here) with warious spare
parts left over and this, at a period of time when a 6538
caseback or carrure did not cost a fortune?
I called who ever I know that I trust and none of them ever
heard about a big crown 7922.
Surely another "prototype" I guess.
Philipps (Login philippstahl) VRF Contributing Member 84.30.93.72
maybe you don't have the right friends to ask... more!
March 5 2008, 5:31 PM
are you looking for a proper escape on this one or just being nasty again with your answers today?!?...maybe you don't have the correct books / friends or the book hasn't been written yet and all your friends walked away...
Anyway, about your false accusations i heared - read a totaly different story around the swap 1675 - 1655 issue being still online on TZ untill now & your 5517 issue over their was way from mature and got you banned from that forum...
You know i don't need to sell any of my Tudors, i don't need to sell anything at all, i also don't need to hype them eather, i don't need to be personal too! The Tudor's are still a minority in my collection and i am concentrating only on the rare early ones but because there is so less info around, it interest me a lot and all i want is discussing the details we all here are so found of........
It's the first time that a post of mine is edited for personal comments and i don't like it!! I hope the MODS will have a closer look at your behaviour, i will have a nice sleep now ; - )
im not sure anyone ever doubted the quality of a tudor case in respect to a rolex one. they are made at the same place.
for me though all these sorts of posts point at the uneasiness tudors still feel in terms of inferiority to the full rolex models.
they are often nice watches, in the case of the vintage models beautiful but they lack that one piece of magic, the vital component to stand them up tall. a rolex movement.
regardless of the quality without this they will never be rolex in the way that buying a ferrari body with a fiat engine will never be a ferrari.
it may be the exact same in all matters but at its core its missing the piece of magic that completes it and gives the owners the full experience.
im glad to see so many enthused about their tudors, i love looking at the pics and reading the individual histories. its often a nice deviation from the millionth post on red subs but i do wish the justifications being pushed would be dropped.
they dont need it and no matter what you do it still wont be a full rolex.
they are great watches, just let them be and love them for what they are perhaps?
Tudors had their own cal 390, derived by Fef 350...
March 5 2008, 4:27 PM
...please remember that the most sought after Rolexes, such as Manual Daytonas, Jean Claude Killy and the "Stelline" use Valjoux Movements such as 72, 72C, 92C... (I hope the calibers numbers are right, so in my opinion the lack of a Rolex Movement is not the point....
Ciao!
*Philip* (Login dingomad) VRF Contributing Member 90.2.71.46
Here is the book and I
March 5 2008, 1:34 PM
would like to apologize to some people believing that I have been
to virulent. Believe me I'm not a Rolex Ayatollah but I
really believe in a clean market with tolerance zero regarding fake
or frankenwatches.
This is for the good sake of the hobby and the new collectors joining everyday,
at least this is what I believe in.
...but as you certainly know even 356A Speedster was the poor man's Porsche but now command high prices (much higher than the high level 356 Cabriolets) for their timeless shape...
Is a 7922 better than a 6536? Don't know...
Is a 7922 rarer than a 6536? Definitely.
Is a 7924 better than a 6538? Don't know...
Is a 7924 rarer than a 6538? Definitely.
Is a 7928 better than a 5513? Don't know...
Is a 7928 rarer than a 5513? Definitely.
Now I got the point!
I did not undestand that you were referring to that 7922 "Big Crown", I don't know what to think...
I have always tought that 7922 were small crown, this was my knowledge.
I also have to say that lately I have seen 3 or 4 7922 BC...
Further investigation is needed!
Thx,
Getorix (Login getorix) VRF Contributing Member 209.33.118.65
Philip... I think is both
March 5 2008, 3:00 PM
His idea was to increase his market and offer high quality at reasonable
Price that more people could afford. Not unlike the different between
Haute Couture and Prêt-à- Porter from Givenchy. Both are from the same
Manufactuer just different level of detail and expense. One will have more
Hand work and detail the other will be machine made. but what he started
the tudor line to do ( expand his market share)and be afordable has in
some peoples perception become a lesser brand. I personlly think its a
fine watch line that is in my opinion easier on to get serviced since the
base caliber is eta product. So the answer is both..
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