Lol again...wheren't you appointed by Patrizzi as quality controler? ;-))......
August 20 2009, 6:42 AM
Simple rule John, to me a service dial never has a SWISS only print.
When a dial has been changed with Rolex before 1962 they would have used an old stock, radium swiss dial. After 1963 when tritium <25 came as international rule we see the usual Swiss T<25 but with this particulair 'Rainforest' lol-dial..
Imho the indexes are relumed long ago maybe even by Rolex.Lumes doesn't fit perfectly in the lines printed on the dial and geiger just told me it's tritium, so about that you're right ;- )
Here a close up of an rare early gilt 6200 service dial with an T added after Swiss...Rolex logo was having the small print instead of the usual big one....
(Login tuscanyrose) VRF Contributing Member 220.127.116.11
I believe there are service dials with swiss only? I am leaving in a bit...
August 20 2009, 7:11 AM
but I will check through my photos when I return and see.
I distinctly remember a swiss OCC service dial for 6542 in my archives. Not to say your dial is that, I could not tell and agree it is a gilt if you tell me as you have the watch in your hand.
I happen to like the dial in yuor watch. it is really nice and even and has beautiful lume.
Philipp (Login philippstahl) VRF Contributing Member 18.104.22.168
You can look as long as you want but to me there are no servicedials with SWISS around...
August 20 2009, 8:39 AM
We see from '63 the underline dials with still the SWISS print having a tritium lume that's less then new standard T<25 mSV, these are used for service in transitional time as we know that underline 6538's Big Crowns are around. But then these dials also have a different crown then original radium ones.
But John how could you otherwise 'see in your archive' that's a service dial when it's printed with swiss only??Early once also used silver print, only way to know is then measure the radiation with a geigermeter...but that, you don't see but have to do...first analysing the indexes if it's relumed or not.
I think you're off in this John... Enjoy your holiday!
Just joking of course my friend, you are absolutly right about there not being "Swiss" gilt service dials around.
Unless a deadstock, radium dial was used to replace the same or similar dial ( like two colour gilt rad dials showing up in early gilt subs from say 56) but these can hardly be called service dials because they were not delivered to SC's as such.
The change from rad to trit is always acompanied by the T or t25 signature at the bottom of the dial
I simply don't think there is an exception to the rule here contrary to so many things Rolex has done
Philipp (Login philippstahl) VRF Contributing Member 22.214.171.124
Are you drinking again?...please, when react, say something usefull!....
August 20 2009, 2:34 PM
This is my last attemp to react politely and in harmony to yet another stupid post of you Arthur. As i told you already twice and pratice myself since then, avoid a direct, mostly unnecesary reaction on a post from me. JB for instance doesn't need you to back him up, I personally even think that his business will do even better when he's not associated with you...
So don't do it for me, do it for the benefit of all others VRF's here that are in it for the passion and want to read some constructive comments about vintage Rolex and not a cat & mouse game between you & me. If you really need to tell me something, send me an email.
Best to you, over & out
Before i forget, do us all a favour, buy yourself a good camera and make some new pictures of your watches. I'm totally fat up seeing the old unsharp polaroids over and over again. Maybe when you're focusing on the details during photographing you might discover something new, odd, special, a gap, a line or maybe even something completly new where we all haven't come up with yet, so surprise me!
Philipp a blind man can take better scans then you..One more scan..you make it easy.
August 21 2009, 7:19 AM
Homebody your scans are no better then mine, trust me on that...Look at the two Bakelite bezels in your two scans any similarities??..please stop putting the white powder up your nose..lol..
You make it to easy bro..some patch work on the blue and red area and you get a nicer bakelite put still the same bezel..Come on, look at the 22 color sequence and dots between the 22 and 2 on both bezels. No way one can have the same dark white and white color trace..
JB is my friend something you do seem to lack..I just offered my collection to him at any time for his auction verification deal.
Before I forget, do us all a favour, first show us some real photo skills..like you are the one to talk about camera skills(look at your scans below)....lol..and STOP putting watches together and playing them off like they came that way. Just say you restored them..no shame in that.
I am glad you took my advice and replaced the 1019 hands on the 6541 with a better set. now the dial is next..
Hey maybe if you are a good boy..I can sell you a Bakelite bezel..lol..
cold busted again..
P just buy another Bakelite bezel...
ok but I hope you do not mind when I correct you...
August 21 2009, 9:33 AM
and find blatant discrepancies in watches posted...And if and when I do the same thing and post a no no watch..please let me know as well. I look forword to it. Scans and all..that would be the way we roll..
Re: Look at the title I gave this post, it's 'damaged'....
August 20 2009, 3:19 PM
"Show us some of your addiction" - Do you really want me to scan my wife? my car?
More seriously, I'd like to see your watch set on the 24 as I'm really intrigued with
that date wheel of yours.
Anyway with time, these little details do not bother me anymore, a 6542 is a nice watch no
matter what hands, date wheel or dial it holds as long as the watch is still decent looking.
P he is right the date wheel looks hand painted..I might have one for you..lol
August 21 2009, 7:52 AM
Must be your less then sharp photo skills... that is why the #'s on the date wheel looks funky as a monkey.... So the shopping list for your 6542 goes as, you are in need of a Bakelite bezel, a red and black date wheel, possibly a better dial if you see fit...I can help you on these items if you are a good boy..
But for me..history has not been kind to bakalites..they look like
they were made in some third world country in a factory with dirt floors..
and they used krayons for the red and blue colors and painted the
inserts with dirty spar varnish! Yes I know they are worth a lot of
money, but so were beanie babies!
But my "favorite" of this post goes to the sploshy olive-drab DD.
That dail looks like is was stored in a petri-dish with active mold
and algee. And then at some point washed in a very weak bleach
solution and rinsed off in the lagoon!
(But if I owned the watch...de' elegant lime DD)
Sorry if I actually offened anyone (disclaimer)