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Bizar 'damaged' dial.........

August 20 2009 at 4:45 AM

  (Login philippstahl)
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It's not everybody's cup of tea and before the NY gang commend this damaged dial as 'shitage', I honestly have to say that I kinda like this 'one of a kind' combination wink.gif

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(Login tuscanyrose)
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no shitage here, it is a nice OCC service dial in a bakalite!

August 20 2009, 5:00 AM 

we NYC people are kind and sweet, P!!!


    
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LOL John!....

August 20 2009, 5:02 AM 

Love you too wink.gif

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see??? it all depends on the lighting and camera-work!

August 20 2009, 5:44 AM 

lol

 
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Why do you call it a service dial?

August 20 2009, 6:03 AM 

Is it because of the white looking print? It says "swiss" only, so I am betting it is original and the gilt is just very light.

-Rigby

 
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Good point, Joel. Hmmm, I would have to see it up close but it just looks like a...

August 20 2009, 6:14 AM 

black service dial. the lume seems to be that of a swiss OCC service dial, but I could be wrong. PS, is this a gilt or service dial?

 
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Lol again...wheren't you appointed by Patrizzi as quality controler? ;-))......

August 20 2009, 6:42 AM 

Simple rule John, to me a service dial never has a SWISS only print.

When a dial has been changed with Rolex before 1962 they would have used an old stock, radium swiss dial. After 1963 when tritium <25 came as international rule we see the usual Swiss T<25 but with this particulair 'Rainforest' lol-dial.. <br>
Imho the indexes are relumed long ago maybe even by Rolex.Lumes doesn't fit perfectly in the lines printed on the dial and geiger just told me it's tritium, so about that you're right ;- )

Here a close up of an rare early gilt 6200 service dial with an T added after Swiss...Rolex logo was having the small print instead of the usual big one....
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I believe there are service dials with swiss only? I am leaving in a bit...

August 20 2009, 7:11 AM 

but I will check through my photos when I return and see.
I distinctly remember a swiss OCC service dial for 6542 in my archives. Not to say your dial is that, I could not tell and agree it is a gilt if you tell me as you have the watch in your hand.
I happen to like the dial in yuor watch. it is really nice and even and has beautiful lume.

 
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Philipp
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You can look as long as you want but to me there are no servicedials with SWISS around...

August 20 2009, 8:39 AM 

We see from '63 the underline dials with still the SWISS print having a tritium lume that's less then new standard T<25 mSV, these are used for service in transitional time as we know that underline 6538's Big Crowns are around. But then these dials also have a different crown then original radium ones. <br>
But John how could you otherwise 'see in your archive' that's a service dial when it's printed with swiss only??Early once also used silver print, only way to know is then measure the radiation with a geigermeter...but that, you don't see but have to do...first analysing the indexes if it's relumed or not.

I think you're off in this John... Enjoy your holiday!

rgrds.P

 
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Detlev
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Lumi servicedials are "Swiss"! LOL!

August 20 2009, 11:13 AM 

Just joking of course my friend, you are absolutly right about there not being "Swiss" gilt service dials around.
Unless a deadstock, radium dial was used to replace the same or similar dial ( like two colour gilt rad dials showing up in early gilt subs from say 56) but these can hardly be called service dials because they were not delivered to SC's as such.
The change from rad to trit is always acompanied by the T or t25 signature at the bottom of the dial
I simply don't think there is an exception to the rule here contrary to so many things Rolex has done

As always just my 2cents wink.gif

Ciao,D

 
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Philipp
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LOL very sharp remark ;-)....

August 20 2009, 11:52 AM 

&

'like two colour gilt rad dials showing up in early gilt subs from say 1956 '

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AAKVIPER
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Philipp that Baklite bezel is from your other 6542 right?

August 20 2009, 1:12 PM 

You then put it on this 6542 with the water spotted dial right?....Man that one Bakelite bezel sure gets around .. I may be wrong.. wink.gif Arthur

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Philipp
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Are you drinking again?...please, when react, say something usefull!....

August 20 2009, 2:34 PM 

This is my last attemp to react politely and in harmony to yet another stupid post of you Arthur. As i told you already twice and pratice myself since then, avoid a direct, mostly unnecesary reaction on a post from me. JB for instance doesn't need you to back him up, I personally even think that his business will do even better when he's not associated with you...wink.gif

So don't do it for me, do it for the benefit of all others VRF's here that are in it for the passion and want to read some constructive comments about vintage Rolex and not a cat & mouse game between you & me. If you really need to tell me something, send me an email.

Best to you, over & out

Rgrds.P

Before i forget, do us all a favour, buy yourself a good camera and make some new pictures of your watches. I'm totally fat up seeing the old unsharp polaroids over and over again. Maybe when you're focusing on the details during photographing you might discover something new, odd, special, a gap, a line or maybe even something completly new where we all haven't come up with yet, so surprise me!



 
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Philipp a blind man can take better scans then you..One more scan..you make it easy.

August 21 2009, 7:19 AM 

Homebody your scans are no better then mine, trust me on that...Look at the two Bakelite bezels in your two scans any similarities??..please stop putting the white powder up your nose..lol.. wink.gif

You make it to easy bro..some patch work on the blue and red area and you get a nicer bakelite put still the same bezel..Come on, look at the 22 color sequence and dots between the 22 and 2 on both bezels. No way one can have the same dark white and white color trace..

JB is my friend something you do seem to lack..I just offered my collection to him at any time for his auction verification deal.

Before I forget, do us all a favour, first show us some real photo skills..like you are the one to talk about camera skills(look at your scans below)....lol..and STOP putting watches together and playing them off like they came that way. Just say you restored them..no shame in that.

I am glad you took my advice and replaced the 1019 hands on the 6541 with a better set. now the dial is next..
Hey maybe if you are a good boy..I can sell you a Bakelite bezel..lol.. wink.gif
cold busted again..
P just buy another Bakelite bezel...

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Philipp
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I finally think you got my message clear, Count of Edit....

August 21 2009, 8:22 AM 

Sometimes it helps reading the forums sober, stick to that so maybe some day we can be friends again wink.gif

Best of luck,

Rgrds.P

 
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AAKIVIPER
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P I do like you...you make these fourms fun..I hope one day not to be sober with you..

August 21 2009, 8:37 AM 

over drinks... happy.gif You know we bust each others balls in fun...But in the end we have the same interests...you are tops in my book..Arthur

 
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Looking forward to that day!!....

August 21 2009, 8:53 AM 

and hope you don't mind that I correct you in the future when you talk sh*t again wink.gif

Best to you!

Rgrds.P

 
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ok but I hope you do not mind when I correct you...

August 21 2009, 9:33 AM 

and find blatant discrepancies in watches posted...And if and when I do the same thing and post a no no watch..please let me know as well. I look forword to it. Scans and all..that would be the way we roll.. happy.gif

A

 
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Philipp
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As long as you focus on the watch and not on me, i'm fine with that....

August 21 2009, 12:34 PM 

'Love is in the air' as long it's about passion but if you rather like to continue to play your game, it's also fine with me wink.gif

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AAKVIPER
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the focus is always on watches...another time then :)

August 21 2009, 1:32 PM 

I hopefully will be posting scans of some new vintage watches soon..
adieu A

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Maybe this is inspiring -->

August 21 2009, 2:08 PM 

or do you have it as screensaver wink.gif LOL!

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I had to edit, my bashing of you was getting to long..:)

August 21 2009, 8:42 AM 

I had to pull back a bit, I had more scans but that would have been an overkill..LOL Arthur

 
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ExcelsiorLido
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Yes same bezel

August 21 2009, 11:17 PM 

look at the "16" - right in the middle of the "1" same dot mark.
But I do that also on my watches

 
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dear Dutch friend..........

August 20 2009, 7:26 AM 

hope you don't mean that this shit is original...............................
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Can't tell you but i refer to the AQ's example sold in the Revolution Sale in NY......

August 20 2009, 8:04 AM 

as we can see on the USA based new beta website...

'New York, 17th April 2008. Sold including buyer's premium: 132,000 USD'

The secondhand is on the rolexlogo....
http://beta.antiquorum.com/catalog/2008/04/new-york-17th-april-2008/152/

and looking at the result, it's better for me personally not to comment...

&

I saw for the first time in US lately a 'small logo' 6200 with swiss only and later added silver submariner print, here on my sunburned arm late at night... wink.gif
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best to you Marcelo!

rgrds.P

 
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(Login marci52)
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it's the same watch !! nt

August 20 2009, 11:00 PM 

nt

 
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AAKVIPER
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John no worries we have enough examples to verify these watches..lol scan

August 20 2009, 7:35 AM 

anything I own is yours...Verifying a watch is a lot easier when you have correct examples..Right bro.. happy.gif

John I think we have the 6542 covered right??? LOL.

Arthur



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it's in better condition than my 5513 gilt.

August 20 2009, 7:22 AM 

but i can still tell the time happy.gif m

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I like it

August 20 2009, 7:43 AM 

Very sexy watch. It has that look.

 
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ExcelsiorLido
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Am I wrong or

August 20 2009, 1:09 PM 

we just witnessed in the above thread an expert being contradicted by another expert
himself contradicted by a third expert? happy.gif

 
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AAKVIPER
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lol...good point, the word expert is such a subjective term in this vintage world..

August 20 2009, 1:56 PM 

to sum it up and to be politically correct everyone is an expert wink.gif

Arthur

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ExceelsiorLido
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That was just a post to give hope to the newbies :-)

August 20 2009, 2:21 PM 

and if I may add a comment to all that has already been said on
that 6542, I dont know where the date-wheel is coming from LOL!




 
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It's a weathered granite dial

August 20 2009, 2:29 PM 

It's very unique the way it's aged.

That's a great daily wearer.

Frank

 
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ExcelsiorLido
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Re: It's a weathered granite dial

August 20 2009, 2:32 PM 

LOL I, for myself, see a moisturised dial happy.gif happy.gif

 
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Look at the title I gave this post, it's 'damaged'....

August 20 2009, 2:58 PM 

but sometimes they can be special because moisture wasn't the only fact that made early radium dials sometimes change to a unique reaction of the lacquer on top of the dial...

here 2 of my other's I like, forrest green 6511 & 5513...
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and once they are really rare, moisture doesn't make the watch less atractive, at least not to me;-)
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Show us some of your addiction,
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ExcelsiorLido
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Re: Look at the title I gave this post, it's 'damaged'....

August 20 2009, 3:19 PM 

"Show us some of your addiction" - Do you really want me to scan my wife? my car? happy.gif

More seriously, I'd like to see your watch set on the 24 as I'm really intrigued with
that date wheel of yours.
Anyway with time, these little details do not bother me anymore, a 6542 is a nice watch no
matter what hands, date wheel or dial it holds as long as the watch is still decent looking.

 
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Lol ! 'Do you really want me to scan my wife? my car?'-> Try a vintage Rolex instead as...

August 20 2009, 3:27 PM 

Richard calls this here the vintage rolex forum wink.gif
Looking forward of seeing any of yours,
rgrds.P

 
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AAKVIPER
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P he is right the date wheel looks hand painted..I might have one for you..lol

August 21 2009, 7:52 AM 

Must be your less then sharp photo skills... that is why the #'s on the date wheel looks funky as a monkey.... So the shopping list for your 6542 goes as, you are in need of a Bakelite bezel, a red and black date wheel, possibly a better dial if you see fit...I can help you on these items if you are a good boy.. happy.gif

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I don't always love the "damaged" look but I can appreciate...

August 20 2009, 3:19 PM 

...the unpredictable result of the passage of time on the surface of an original dial...

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BTW, P, that DD & true Thunderbird are fantastic! happy.gif
Best,
T.



 
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Love it Tom! 'Passage of time'.....

August 20 2009, 3:35 PM 

Thanks for the compliment & 3 different stage of the 'passage of time' in a early swiss radium dial...
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One mans junk is another man's treasure....

August 20 2009, 4:21 PM 

But for me..history has not been kind to bakalites..they look like
they were made in some third world country in a factory with dirt floors..
and they used krayons for the red and blue colors and painted the
inserts with dirty spar varnish! Yes I know they are worth a lot of
money, but so were beanie babies!
But my "favorite" of this post goes to the sploshy olive-drab DD.
That dail looks like is was stored in a petri-dish with active mold
and algee. And then at some point washed in a very weak bleach
solution and rinsed off in the lagoon!
(But if I owned the watch...de' elegant lime DD)

LOL
Sorry if I actually offened anyone (disclaimer)
Michael B.


    
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Agreed as John Buckley puts it..." Bakelites look like cheap plastic Casio watches"..

August 21 2009, 9:48 AM 

I have to also hear this from JB...."Arthur why to wear that crappy plastic GMT? It looks like it costs $20.00 on a good day. Get a real watch"

Or this hit..."My wife thinks your plastic GMT the ugliest thing around"...

The 6542 is so misunderstood.. sad.gif

Arthur


    
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Well Arthur.... You redeem yourself with your taste in

August 21 2009, 10:24 AM 

cars....And SOMEONE needs to date and dance with the ugly girls! Who knows what
special talents they may have.
Someday Rolex execs. may offer you a million dollars just to get them off of the market!

Cheers,
Michael B.

 
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Michael B.. lol...you got me...

August 21 2009, 10:53 AM 

well said.. M

 
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