Philipp (Login philippstahl) VRF Contributing Member from IP address 188.8.131.52
I don't want to be a pain in the ass talking about 'transitional' all the time but after some more study, i see that my latest 2.874.xxx 6262/6263 is having white print & Sigma dial, NOT silver as we mostly see on 'Goute A Prior' dials made right after 3 million. It imho comes directly after the 6240....the "rolex oyster cosmograph" print is also on the same hight as the 6240, where we see that the silver printed Sigma's are placed lower, between the indexes....Further there is a difference the 'OT' stamp added [ for white gold index ] next to SWISS, mostly we see 'O T SWISS T O' instead of my 'OT SWISS OT'
Did anybody do some research on the exact timescale of all the Sigma's??
from what I have observed the mid 1960's is the time frame of the sigma's 1st appearance..
September 8 2009, 10:12 AM
on the Daytona dial..An interesting point which an older watchmaker passed on to me was that these sigma dials marking were a move used for exporting notification of gold parts..It made sense to me since all gold cases and bracelets are marked with a gold stamp on some part of them.
One never sees a sigma dial on a any Tudor, 1019 or a few other models with stick markers.
So a Daytona dial having white gold markers came equipped with this sigma marking to proclaim I guess to customs that gold is present on this watch and where..Now what I cannot be explained is that why only certain dial manufactures marked the dial with a sigma dial stick markers. But my hunch for this enigma is, that maybe the non sigma dials had truly non gold markers and made of another material besides gold.
If my hunch is correct about the sigma expatiation then the sigma dials are actually a rarer dial then once perceived to be.
On another note, I have seen original examples of sigma markings on Pateks and other brands as well.. So for customs marking concept is not that out of bounds as one thinks..Other Rolex sigma dials, we all know on other models had this sigma markings on their dials as well. Now what fascinated me was that early in 1960's some 1803's and Datejusts had sigma dials with stick markers...So they preceded the Daytona sigma dials.
So in conclusion export tax and truly some stick marker dials were made of white gold could have brought about the sigma markings..I would love to test a sigma and regular stick marker dial for gold marker content. This ought clear up the thought of some dial markers being made of gold and others were not.
Philipp does your book by Pergola, Mazzariol & Dosso have any issues with the binding glue coming apart? Arthur
When we look at the black pre daytona 6238 with 1.207.xx serial in Auro's Superlative Rolex book, we see a '-T SWISS T-' sign stating it has stainless steel indexes and another black 6241/6242 with 1.756.xxx serial and single rolex print is also having the steel signing at 6 o'clock...
I've untill now not found a serieus candidate before 2.7-2.8 million
I purchased my Daytona with a black Sigma dial, red Daytona in the summer of 1977 (or 1978) in Seattle.Purchased the watch to be worn, and have worn it for 35+ years. during that period, I had it cleaned and tuned once in the 90s, at which time i had the hands replaced, because they had lost their illumination.Did not change the dial.Purchased a new band in the early 2000s (with the same style as the original band);of course the replacement band cost 50% more than my original purchase of the watch.
I recently had the watch cleaned and tuned.The watchmaker who performed the tune, told me the watch would be difficult to sell, because the Sigma red Daytona dial was questionable on this particular watch.I told him to question the authenticity of this watch based on the dial was ridiculous.I purchased the watch from the Authorized Rolex Dealer in Seattle in 1977.Except for the two or three times (over the 35 years I have owned the watch), the watch was in the shop, it has been on my wrist.During both tune-ups, the watch maker asked if I wanted the lumen on the dial touched up and I said no.
The detail of the watch are:
Oyster Cosmograph Red Daytona:
Case Registered Design 6263
S/N: Stainless Steel 5382658
Inside of case-back, C.R.S. 6239
I did not keep the papers.But note the back of the dial shows it was a dial made by Singer, a dial maker used by Rolex.
My question is have you found any further information on the s T Swiss T s since your posted in 2009?
just picked up this one, 6263 black dial red daytona
September 8 2009, 10:57 AM
4m serial, black dial with red daytona. IMHO, quite rare to find with the red daytona. All I need is to convert the bezel back to black (original owner preferred the 6265 bezel and made the change on service).
Bernhard (Premier Login bullibeer) VRF Contributing Member 184.108.40.206
Yes Philipp... it was puzzeling to me also...;-)..
September 8 2009, 1:46 PM
your 6263 with white SiGMA dial...
my ex-6263 silver dial... 3.1 when i remember well....
So why do we have white first.. then silver later..?? Or was it both at the same time??? Is there any difference in typography then... do we find a Mk1, Mk2...
And so funny... you managed to get yourself a transitional again LOOOOL!
Yip Bulli, yet another Transitional ;-) when it's usual...
September 8 2009, 2:54 PM
it's not for me, LOL!
In the earlier low printed sigma dials for 6240 we see a NON serief logo, as in mine and later ones we see with serief...
What I don't understand yet, is the the difference in space between the OT... clearly the close sigma 'OT SWISS TO', like mine, is seeing more rarely then the mostly seen open sigma 'O T SWISS T O'. I tend to say that the early ones are white and later are silver and once Daytona comes in red on it, again in white...