Hopes this reaches those whom had mentioned they have been hunting for one...
It's worthy of due consideration...
(price of certain used Dials n other Rolex parts dropped also)
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(Login ferrari-328) VRF Contributing Member 204.139.85.158
condition is king..
April 11 2010, 12:38 PM
seller is a good guy but with all due respect.. condition is king and commands MUCH higher pricing and desirability..
I have seen many DRSD but to really peak my interest. show me a neat example like Jeds.. Whatever price he asks for his watch if he ever decides to sell.. its worth it..
watches with issues..... I can point to many at many different price points..
are a niche watch and will NEVER be as popular nor as followed as Subs/SD's and Daytonas. They are great watches and some variations bring an absolute feeding frenzy. GMT's you will likely find the greatest swings in pricing model for model, type for type
I still HARDLY ever see juicy 5512 4 line minute track SCOC or OCC for sale ANYwhere, much less at your prices. Everyone and his mother seems to have a 6542 for sale or my personal hatefest 1655 (to me the Wierdest sports model Rolex ever made)
________________________ Cliffy
This message has been edited by clifW from IP address 207.192.255.233 on Apr 11, 2010 1:09 PM
ReLume on an otherwise original dial is just that, something that has been monkeyed with. And will suffer pricewise as it should. I dare say if it had not been relumed it would have easily been over 20k USD
Originality is everything, these vintage Rolexes, its all about the dial, simple as that collectors can overlook a lot but a nonoriginal dial undoubtedly will give collectors pause for though. And yes you will see a decline with this type of watch---not a true "no excuses watch" no matter how good an egg the member is selling it
(Premier Login bullibeer) VRF Contributing Member 80.126.141.127
Orchi... don't get lost in your theory....
April 11 2010, 2:03 PM
He buddy Orchi... don't get lost in your theory and trying to proof you RIGHT.... by any cost.
Comparing those 2 DRSD feel really kind of 'STRANGE'.... as after all the hours you spend researching and cruising the market/forum.... you should know by now...
Condition is everything.... for more then 12 month now.
The pricing based on reference is long gone.
No 2 watches can be matched/compared in price by a list.
Vintage Rolex.... all about detail.
How can you compare a 17K usd (12.6 K euro) DRSD with a dial in that condition to the watch of Marlon/Maurizio???
Yes there is about 5.4K euro difference in price.
But what do you compare with?
A watch you buy... knowing you will have to find a new dial ... which is not easy/cheap... incl. matching hands....+ bezel insert ...
If that is your 'VISION' on collecting watches ??? .... and teaching newcomers.... you can't be serious about that. At least i don't hope so...
I would be happy to pay 6K euro extra any day to find a real nice watch... instead of the quality shown in 95% of the offers shown around!
It really makes no sense to keep running into one direction... when it's a dead end.
Relax.... sleep well and read back ..... think about it.
The hobby is developing... away from hyped 'profit' business.... and into much better values. Passion and quality.
Which is great.
Enjoy!
My 2ct's of course..
Bernhard
This message has been edited by bullibeer from IP address 80.126.141.127 on Apr 11, 2010 2:21 PM
Agree with Lou. I have been following this forum since about June last year.I am here to learn about vintage rolexs.I find Orchi an incredible guy.I have emailed him questions regarding vintage Gmts, and he always took the time and effort to reply in great detail.My reading of his post on prices dropping 50 % had a lot of caveats which he clearly stated.He asked for comments not vitriol.My observation is , It is how the overly represented dealers and "collectors" who fund their hobby by buying and selling to fund new purchasers on this forum and have their own vested interests , who have their balls in a knot over his post.
(Login orchi) VRF Contributing Member 60.49.32.202
DRSD+Dial relumed+Imperfection in 2010=."Horrible" akin
April 11 2010, 8:09 PM
Err...being worthless...or the sunken Titanic...?
BUT only one or a couple of years or so ago...
there were plenty of hoo-hah...
like watching a head-turning sexy young virgin chick...
walking along downtown busy street in the nude...
in broad day-light...
cars honking...
glass shattering...
stopping traffic...
saliva drooling...
tongue n tail wagging...
heart stopping...
n eyes popping...out.
maybe asking for over USD20K...
describing it as RARE bird in excellent conditions...
seasoned n faded to perfection...
what is or what not...
Similar examples can be said...
about a certain nos. of other prized collection of Exclusive RARE Birds...
having corroded cases...rat tail lugs...
OR...perhaps put together with used parts...
OR...corrected to the period of time n production era...+ provenance...
OR...Dial Relumed n Case Reconditioned to perfection...
that only a handful of other experts in this world...
might be able to tell the difference...
being owned n paraded by collectors whom they were selling the RARE watches to...
their valuable clients...(whom they won't offend at any costs).
Yes Prices have dropped...(to certain extent)
even on the RAREST Birds...
with so-so conditions or NOS conditions(or close to it)...
with or without features like...
chocolate brownie...
Tropical equator...
Sahara desert...
The banks of River Nile...
Frozen tundra of the South Pole...
Example 2:
62XX 3CRC "Paul Newman" Cosmograph...
in above average conditions...
Selling for USD69,000 or less...
was a DREAM to many Buddies here...
only one or a couple of years or so...ago.
Some are saying the storm may be over...
Good days could be coming back again...
Some are saying...NOT.
Here's a good read...from the TRUE n neutral judge...
All is good then...
Please ignore what Orchi has said in the last 24 hours or so...
Best regards
Orchi.
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(Login dennyslim) VRF Contributing Member 75.172.161.213
Orchi, the past is the past, you cannot change history >>
April 11 2010, 8:35 PM
We all know what they used to sell for a few years ago. I have a flat spot on my head from banging it against the wall for selling a few watches too cheap too fast. We cannot predict the future, too many variables so what we have is NOW right here and we have to deal with what the current market is like.
As stated CONDITION is everything. Movements can be repaired but the dial and case make the watch, as you well know. So let's forget the nostalgia from the past and move on.
Also, watch collecting is not about money unless you are a dealer only. It is about watches and the beautiful NOS models occasionally found or the ones in superb condition. Hunting for a special watch can be a wonderful experience. Some say it is all in the hunt.
I want to just enjoy my hobby w/o worrying about what the prices were or what they will be.
The constant scream of the sky is falling is getting tedious. JMHO =)
Dennis
I just ran across the seller's website and simply need opinion on whether I should pursue it cos it is too attractively priced or whether I should forget it cos too good to be true. I need to add that I am in Asia, so it will bring me a lot of pain and effort to get to it. So I want to make sure. Please advise.
http://www.watchesinrome.it/scheda_en.aspx?id=155
Rony, don't worry it's not the topic that's the problem
April 11 2010, 10:06 PM
It's the dangerous naivety or outrageous arrogance ( depending on
your view) that anyone could think without any regard to the thousands of transactions they have no acces to, without any grading scale and without access or consideration of regional
differences they could compile a definive list .. A proclomation of how it is ... That's what's grinding peoples gears
it's a big picture and no one person can see it
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