While the letter you show may be real, the dial surely is not.
Its one of the many bastard children of the "Rinaldi Factory" of dials..... In fact, this is the same example as shown several years ago in the threadhttp://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=637967 (You can see the discoloration on the blue of the bezel matches identically at the 3 oclock.)
While I have changed my personal opinion that these white GMTs DO exist, this is not a real example. The ones I believe to be correct are like the ones posted by Stefano on his blog-
Noticed the pronounced serif above the letter "L".
At any rate, where exactly is this PAN-AM museum?? When can we make a class visit there?
We were about to see that one in an auction somewhere or perhaps on another forum. What do the Pan American games and Pan Am airlines have to do with each other in this "museum"? I'll buy the first 15 rounds of beers for anyone willing to meet me there. I have free flight vouchers for Pan Am & Value Jet. Care to join me? Sheesh.........
I certainly Stefano's 6542 white dial is not true. When you saw this watch and related documents, I found that Pan Am's 6542 similar to the Japanese
Certificate. It is the name and address of the owner of the watch.
Most worthy of discussion is on its dial, year of production. According to my observations, white dial printing is very different than black dial. For example, white dial of Oyster Perpetual writing is not have "-". And also this magazine indicated that how many pieces to the winners, about more than 100. Year of production for the 1958-59.
On the other hand, I asked the source of the watch museum staff. He only said that donation from the volunteer. Later, I asked if he could shoot a series for its close-up. He also said not to bother it, because it is the pride of Americans.
P.S Tips: Pan AM Museum shows on the magazine, please don't ask me.
Wait a minute, you're confusing your lies here Codly. Your story is breaking down:
"On the other hand, I asked the source of the watch museum staff. He only said that donation from the volunteer. Later, I asked if he could shoot a series for its close-up. He also said not to bother it, because it is the pride of Americans.
P.S Tips: Pan AM Museum shows on the magazine, please don't ask me."
You said originally this was in a Pan Am Museum, now its a watch museum?
You not only had pictures of you or someone else holding the watch, but were able to provide a closeup shot of the watch upon request by another forum member.
YET NOW, you say you couldn't bother the watch because its the pride of Americans? Haha sure, a watch that no one has seen before is our pride. Whatever you "say."
The more you ramble on the more your story falls apart. Although, this has gota be a joke right!? I'm sure I'm just playing along and making it more fun of a joke for you...
I can disclose this watch source and history.
And also show the document, magazine and who sign the letter.
I don't care you check it or not because I know that false document is a serious offense.
If you can explain all information, or you have this watch. Please show for our.
I believe that you have not strong reasons to explain.
Re: I totally agree - A very poor attempt at a fake doc.
April 15 2011, 8:37 AM
I think that letter is absolutely a fake, and the watch most likely for the reasons already pointed out.
No English speaker, and certainly no Pan Am manager named Ogilvie would write/speak like that!! Come on people, and Codly, who is so desperately trying to prove the authenticity of this (why, may I ask!?). Its clear you're not a native English speaker (nothing wrong w/ that at all) so I can understand why you might not pick up on what others see, but its just so obvious. Its a grammatical cluster f**k.
If these really were made in some special limited run, there'd be documentation out there to accompany one of these somewhere. As special as they're claimed to be, someone would have a picture of one somewhere with Rolex papers. The supposed Pan Am "letter" and a random magazine are WORTHLESS in terms of authenticating this.
Finally - what is this "Pan Am Museum" nonsense!? The only Pan Am around are the logos painted on Guilford rail boxcars that I see here in Mass.
So, supposedly this is located in a "Pan Am Museum" - you were able to provide some shots of a setup that looks like it is in a display case, and magically you were able to handle the watch and take a picture of the back of it. A watch that, apart from this Stefano piece, no one has ever seen before or seen with Rolex papers. And then immediately upon being asked, you could provide this closeup shot of the watch that is allegedly in the museum. Which, if real, would be one of the rarest Rolexes in existence....
Oh, and why is a Pan American Games brochure in the museum display case with the watch and alleged Pan Am letter? The Pan Am Games have NOTHING to do with Pan American Airways. It seems that someone with no knowledge or clue as to how an American in the 1940s would have written, forged the letter, faked the watch, and gathered up anything he could find with the words "Pan American" in it, and stuck it in a photo shoot; most likely a non-American who has no clue about the usage of such words or cultural context, and doesn't realize they have no relation to each other.
This Stefano white GMT still does not do it for me.. see below..
April 14 2011, 6:01 AM
Analyze this scan...I have never owned a 6542 with ink dripping in the coronet area..have you? Rolex is not that sloppy...form me this dial is still a no go ..
Itr is hard to get past these pictures below boys..
for starters the font P and E are longer and on a different plane then the rest of the word.
tiny drip of paint please ...you can do better hen that..
April 14 2011, 7:48 AM
show me more dripping dials like this one?.. that has more then just a drip dot on it..take a look at the first "s" in Oyster lol...If it was from another member the dial would have been ripped apart.
NO way Rolex is that sloppy..Believe what you want bro..
And I hope you can explain this off the stright line sentance.
I believe AAKVIPER can answer your points. And also many people don't believe Stefano white GMT is real.
Because this dial of quality is very poor.
Although I can not confirm that this white dial 6542 is real or not, but it is certainly the quality is better than Stefano white GMT.
Coupled with too many facts and objective evidence.
This time of arguement you lost.
Orchi unlike you I did my own research..see pics..
April 14 2011, 9:53 AM
Orchi you took S's scan compared the white GMT dial to another of his..but I went one step over that and compared this white dial to many other GMT 6542 dials..and found the opposite to be true. Look at the fonts on these two more 6542 GMT's..I have five other scans backing the one I posted..but it would become redundant.
One will believe what one wants to believe , but for me the white dial is contrary to what my research found.
Sure.Your Bakelites are perhaps in pieces.Hopes the glue holds..++
April 14 2011, 12:06 PM
Err...better than the prices of Bakelites these days...
n in the future...
Nevertheless...there is no hostility intended...
Just that you got to admit...others like Buddy Stefano Mazzariol...
in particular has done his home works on Vintage Rolex watches a whole lot better...
n more credit should be due to his great efforts...
The 6542 GMT "Albino" Dial holds true as a special batch of super rare watches...
that neither you nor Orchi could perhaps even dream of ever coming across to own one to begin with...
This one though...
is for sure a FAKEEE...
if Orchi may repeat in here again...
Buddy Arthur in particular has done his home work on Vintage Rolex watches as well
April 14 2011, 1:01 PM
May your glue hold your one Bakelite as well..So more credit should be due to me for my great efforts as well.
And 6542 GMT "Albino" Dial DOES NOT hold true as a special batch of super rare watches...The contrary my friend
I still do not buy the story or white dail..sorry..To many mistakes from my research.
By the way O, I did pass on a white GMT 6542back in 2002-2003...you now know why...You can thank me for schooling you again..lol
Orchi why do place me in your class..I am not trust me..You have to catch up to me homeboy many years to go..lol..
If you think you can step up to me.. then match me in the pic below my friend..I had the Bakelite since 2000...That is how I roll and you are not in my league..
This message has been edited by aakviper from IP address 184.108.40.206 on Apr 14, 2011 1:03 PM
No thanks 4D glued 1s perhaps.Just 1 unbroken Bakelite is good enough 4small Orchi..++
April 14 2011, 1:44 PM
Err...but anyway you are right sure...
you don't have MK.1 Dial yet...do you?
Lets see...2x MK.2 n another MK.3...
You sure the Dials are matching to the S/nos...?
Maybe the White 6542 that you passed was probably a FAKEEE...
cos it would be a great shame if you had passed on a genuine one...
You should be more appreciative...
by thanking Buddy Stefano for the valuable Vintage Rolex lessons...
Just compare his website with your blog(not even ONE macro shots of MC Dials)...
Err...how many hits did you managed so far...??
Not to worry...Orchi is definitely not in your class...
AFTER ALL those long years...you only managed this far...??
(your blog...Orchi means).
Ahem...maybe Orchi might learn more...
in just a couple of years of virtual chatting in VRF(internet forums)...
cos Orchi learns better from the websites that have got better hits...
having great track records of real n transparent materials...
rather than the one that is showing pics of Dials...
taken from 5 feet away...across the classroom desks...
This message has been edited by orchi from IP address 220.127.116.11 on Apr 14, 2011 1:56 PM
You don't explain your post, because the surface of your hand the lack of convincing.
I and many people do not believe this is true hand surface.
Rolex does not make a bad condition.
Instead, AAKVIPER, his article more objective.
He can compare different periods 6542, he also taught our analysis, it makes more sense than you.
If all people follow your point to see, I think many people of 6542 is a fake.
I published this article there is a lot of evidence to support.
I can open source, clear pictures and the whole object.
I believe that a piece of your hand than the surface more persuasive.
I should say the same AAKVIPER, Stefano white GMT dial there is no reference worth.
This Stefano white GMT is too much wrong places, It can only be a joke.
I believe that Rolex does not make bad condition.
why Codly is so defensive of something that I "believe" he "saw" but does not own...... Something to ponder. To me, I agree with Orchi. The "Pan Am" paper and magazine does NOTHING to show provenance. I WISH IT WERE REAL. Show my the Rolex warranty papers and doccumentation of ANY sort that it came from Rolex to Pan AM and I'll buy the beers at the Pan Am "museum"
In fact, the watch that was an accident, I just heard of its existence, had never seen real thing.
Until I read www.fiftyfathoms.net/Rolex6542.html
I started to pursue it to come to Chicago.
I believe this watch is difficult to have it, it is all too rare.
I guess it is worth is very expensive.
Comparing 6541, 6263 PN, 5510, 6538, 8171 or 6062 is more rare and more expensive.
On the other hand, the magazine has clearly show Rolex and Pan American cooperation.
Rolex does have sent more than 100 employees only to 6542 white dial to the Pan American, as set out in this magazine has a list of lucky ones.
This magazine also has photoes to mentioned the name of the three maintenance staff.
They also have three columns in the list.
Coupled with an award-winning letter.
I have no reason not to believe.
I have been very patient in reading through the threads re this "holy grail". I wish you well but it would be dropping pennies in the wrong fountain. This dial has issues and I agree with Orchi. Re Stefan's dial I am not an expert but his knowledge on Rolexes is very deep and I do respect his conclusions. I just wish Rolex were more open like Patek Philippe regarding old data
If you own it enjoy it as that is what watches are for. I think a 50 dollar swatch would be more accurate than my GMT ! Lol !