when you say "papers are the beyond a shadow of a doubt" factor for the non expert, maybe so. but how reliable can that "factor" be? ever buy a watch from a non expert and the papers are for a ladies OP and not the two tone sub he has i the box?
it is a false sense of security for some who did not take the time to learn properly.
I never said good provenance sets will fall by the wayside, I said the opposite. what will go away is all the hype. ok, I will put a IMHO before it! lol
believe it of not, there are people who collect, and collect BIG who do not care, nor have any interest in what goes on here. while I have always and will continue to make others aware of the VRF, some just do not have the time, nor the interest in these forums.
that said, as far as protecting my interest or business, it really makes no difference. it sucks, but this stuff has been going on for years, and now just because it is known on VRF, the world of these papers will not cease...just here and among our members.
the point I was trying to make is how do you differentiate the real punch from 40 years ago from the one done yesterday, and obviously you cannot. is this good for anyone? no not really. is it a reality? yes, it sure is.
do I wish it were not so? of course. it would make things much easier, but we as collectors like the challenge of finding something that is without question the real deal.
there are many of those sets out there and as I said, they will always warrant a premium.
remember the old days when you did not have dial archives and were not able to "ask the experts" before making a buy?
the world of collecting is just a wee bit diluted IMO.
just curious but let's ask the membership how many of the new blank rolex cards are out there at shows, blank and ready to have whatever number filled in. people do it if they can make an extra buck. sad but true.
does this mean collectors will not take papers into account? as I said, time will tell.
there is a solution though, collect Patek!!! lol! as usual, it is the policy of the almighty Rolex who with their crappy archives and "no vintage allowed" service policy that allows all this to occur, just so some guy will go to an AD and pay retail.
in the words of my trusted consigliere, "don't hate the player, hate the game"
these last few days have been interesting. it was nice to see the "old guard' stand together, old as some of our asses are.
I for one, will be much more careful as a rule, but if a watch with US 5 dot punched papers shows up, I am still a buyer, as long as the watch is tight.
Don't worry! there will still be plenty of juice for the "nerd collectors" to paw over, I can see it now:
measuring the dot holes, the dot proximity, the new "DOT ARCHIVE!!! Wait, the ink analysis!!! hold the press, the dealer stamp and date stamp archives!!!