injured at the time ...
the most important thing to check in a PN dial ( if you are uncertain after checking the front ) is to see if the back has the correct punch or not.
in the case of "oysters" PN dials the punch must be the so called "square punch" as the "S" of Singer has in fact a square look.
obviously if the word SINGER and the Singer crest is made by engraving in any way ( besides the very first 6239 that are also signed "AV" ) then the dial is certainly fake.
after you can check also other things ( such as the indexes ) .. but this is another story ...
Boy I remember seeing you for the first time at the IWJG and Revolution: The Evolution of the Rolex auction back in 2008.. also at the AQ Revolution watch inspection. Your eyes were wide open at AQ and you were so excited to be attending one of your very first auctions. Like a kid at a candy store. Meeting the big dealers and collectors for the first time.
I know the 3525 and sadly it is in poor condition.
I would be more interested in Jaques Laffite PN one of my
idol when I was a kid.
Next to the 3525 one of the pistons from his winning Ligier JS II
(Grand Prix F1 d' Argentine) fitted with the fabulous Ford Cosworth DFV.
For the 'straight' 3525 the market "spoke"!
I know how much you paid yours and I (we) know what price reached the one similar than yours
in better condition at auction a few weeks later (sorry for your loss, you should have listen to me)
For the 3 CROC I now changed my mind since I met someone (he will recognise himself
as he reads VRF but never post) that gave me the full story of these dials with
names, dates and details. I revised my judgement about 3 CROC.
ps : you can still keep your straight 3525 dial and sell me the case !-)
when I said the market "spoke" I am comparing the price you paid for your "straight"
3525 and the one that sold just after at an auction. From memory you paid
yours 10K more than the result of the one in the auction. Right?
You will also notice that the one you are showing today is not a ROC like
yours and I still believe something is fishy with these dials. To many variations
for a watch that just started existence. But to each is own.
Now for the PN, when I said I changed my mind (even though I still have a doubt) I met
someone (I told the story to Jed) that gave me a very detailed explanation
for these dials and I must admit that after the discussion I quite changed opinion.
ps: I dont see where you saw an "unfriendly" comment in my post. BTW when you'll
be in NY I will be in Geneva, no one to have a drink there?
Re: lol "ps : you can still keep your straight 3525 dial and sell me the case !-)"
October 23 2011, 5:37 PM
BTW your watch was a 5 lines dial (6 if we count Beyer) the one you present today
(auction) from the same era is a 2 line dial, so once again I just find all these variants weird
and prefer by far the regular convex dials...from the same era.
And in between these 2 Beyer dials, you know where my money would go
I think the thread is relatively cool, I put many smileys to keep it that way.
It is just an exchange of point of views.
Finally I never said the dial was not Rolex I said weird at the minimum, refinished at the maximum.
I prefer by far my "standard" double name 3525 with wich I feel more "comfortable" than with a
straight line dial. No more no less.
This message has been edited by VintageRolexForum from IP address 126.96.36.199 on Oct 23, 2011 6:03 PM
No, I'm going to sleep and dream about...vintage cars as
October 23 2011, 5:46 PM
I am exhausted after that game against the 'blacks' today
Andrew knows what it is all about, he surely will explain you better than me the story
of these dials without naming the source that want above all to avoid any polemic.
So Andrew , your turn to play as you were told the same story as I do.